A Deep Philosophical Food For Discussion

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   gmwilliamsposted 2 years ago

   
   There are those who yearn, even pine for more simpler times & defined traditions.  They maintain that America was so much better where there were strict traditions.  They contend that it was such traditions which made American society smoother.  Then there are others who believe that such traditions were just albatrosses, even hindrance to progress.  They assert that those traditions are becoming passe & that America must adopt more progressive models in order to become a better society.  They believe that such traditions have no place in a postmodern, 21st century America.  Your thoughts?

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      Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      America society smoother? That depends on from whose point of view.
      
      There has never been strict traditions, people always got away with things depending upon who they were.
      
      There is nothing wrong with hallowed traditions as long as they do not deprive others justified rights and prerogatives. When a "tradition" impedes progress in the aforementioned direction, it is time to have it put aside.

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         MizBejabbersposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         "There is nothing wrong with hallowed traditions as long as they do not deprive others justified rights and prerogatives. When a "tradition" impedes progress in the aforementioned direction, it is time to have it put aside."
         
         You just said a mouthful, Credence. A lot of rights were violated when religion exercised its traditions through the passage of laws. For example, the Sunday blue laws when no stores could open on Sunday. Then it morphed into certain items couldn't be sold on Sunday after states allowed Sunday store openings. Years ago in Texas stores couldn't sell things like light bulbs, paper towels or (gasp) baby diapers on Sunday. Did you ever hear of babies taking a break from peeing on Sunday? Couples were denied the legal right to birth control in Massachusetts until 1972, although I gather that the law wasn't rigidly enforced the last few years it was in existence, and when it was, discriminating couples probably purchased theirs out of state. Then there are traditions that really become a nuisance. Christmas is a good holiday but their commercials have become a public pariah. I think a whole book could be written around your last statement.

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            Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            MizB, I am glad that we found common ground regarding this matter, thanks...
            
            People hide behind these things to absolve themselves along with a desire to control your very life.

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            wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            While I agree 100% with what you said, including the proclivity of religion to declare they have not only the right but the duty to control others, it might pay us to remember that for every bit of "progress in the right direction" it will negatively affect someone else, and some will lose their own "justified rights and prerogatives".  When the neighbor got a dog my peace and quiet was disturbed, for instance.

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            savvydatingposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            That's interesting. Can you site that particular blue law?
            
            I am pretty sure you cannot.
            
            Did you learn this when you were a "journalist?"
            
            Blue laws almost always refer to limiting alcohol sales until noon and have nothing to do with diapers or light bulbs.
            
            I live in a blue law state. I've never heard of a law like that.

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      Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I think we progressed for many years as a society since the 1960s...
      
      I am not so sure what is occurring today I would call progression...
      
      What we are witnessing appears more to me to be a deconstruction of norms that hold a society together.
      
      By that I mean, to be an American in the past it was expected for you to learn the language (English) learn to accept certain laws and customs as unwavering that all persons were expected to adhere to.
      
      Clearly shifts are occurring within the country, large parts of our nation today English is not the primary language, entire cities/counties are predominantly Spanish speaking.
      
      Laws we are held accountable to are now in question, some argue that looting is restitution and that if you belong to a certain race it should be accepted behavior if you do so.  Such viewpoints are now argued by people in authority, city councils, mayors, etc.
      
      We can no longer as a people agree in total on how many sexes there are, whether a person who feels that they are a woman should be allowed to compete as (or claim) they are a woman, etc.
      
      And we are trying very hard to do away with Nationalism, which is itself society, why do we have the Olympics, why do we have armies, why do we have various currencies... because we are different, with different values.
      
      China does not hold the same values towards Liberty and Freedom that America has, perhaps that is why so many in power seem earnest to deconstruct America... America is the beacon of Liberty and Freedom of the individual is it not?
      
      Consider the link below, watch/listen to the opinion from 15:15 to 17:30... the Chinese viewpoint We just need a few more years and then we are done with you.
      
      So how much of what you see transpiring today is "Progressive" positive change, and how much of it is a society/civilization in fast decline as a new world power emerges?
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdkca09EHRI

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      lovetherainposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with you. our version of "progress" is stupid.

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         Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Progressive...as used in these mndern times is nothing other than debasing the good customs, traditions, laws, and so on of the founding fathers.                                 Whether its in America, Africa, Asia, Europe, and the Orient, progressive seems to be the same...degrading many and society but keepiog the corroupt class up.

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            lovetherainposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            yep

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               Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

               Thank you.

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   Miebakagh57posted 2 years ago

   I think those who make the law that babes shouldn't have they tissues on Sundays are beasts?                                               It's this type of law that destroy society.

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