Kathy HochulGet Out Of New York !

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   Sharlee01posted 13 months ago

   
   
   Democrats are fleeing New York. one would think Hochul should try to keep her tax base in place --- Go figure.
   
   Gov. Kathy Hochul, D-N.Y., sparked intense outrage after lambasting New York Republican candidates during a speech last week, telling them to "get out of town" and "head to Florida" where they belong.
   
   The outrage simmered across social media early Monday with Twitter users slamming the New York governor for her intolerant angle and accusing her of isolating all Republicans living in the Empire State.
   
   "We're here to say that the era of Trump and Zeldin and Molinaro – just jump on a bus and head down to Florida you belong. Get out of town," she said."
   
   Really Kathy, not sure you noticed hundreds of thousands already have.
   
   365,000 people
   Overall, between April 1, 2020, when the last census estimates were released, and July 1, 2021, New York state lost more than 365,000 people, or 1.8% of its population, dropping below 20 million residents.

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      Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Heavens to Betsy, I don't want any more damned Republicans to come here to Florida regardless of their point of origin.

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         Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

         What we need is all Democrats to take themselves and their politics and LEAVE Florida.
         
         Go to California or NY.
         
         I hope all those Republicans take her up on her rant and move here... I know many have been for years now.
         
         I would really appreciate it if after Democrats destroy their state economies and laws that they would stay in their state and stew in their own mess... not move out when the tax man comes and tells them they have to pay up.

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            wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Ah, but therein lies the rub.  As the states become untenable to reasonable people, liberal OR conservative, they and a large tendency to leave.
            
            Unfortunately they then try to turn their new state into what they left.  I don't understand that madness, but I surely see it happening.

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               Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

               That is how we are going to Texas baby blue....

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                  wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  And Idaho, I daresay.  As more and more people flee California insanity to come live next door to me they also push to "california-ize" a beautiful, free state and turn it into the same slum they left.  Idiots.

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                     Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                     Its like the Walking Dead... they just spread the disease until all areas of the world are infected and humanity is doomed.

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                     Fayetteville Fayeposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                     Well good news it looks like Mr Asa  Hutchinson, illustrious and successful governor of Arkansas will be in the 2024 presidential mix.  Tried and true, red  through and through.
                     Would you like to Arkansas-ize?  We are a bastion of conservative policies and  the cherry on top?  Some of the most restrictive laws on abortion.  You'll just have to make the trade off for poverty, crime,  poor education and health.

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         wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

         LOL  Sorry, Cred, but the whole country is starting to see more and more conservatives.  You're in trouble for sure!

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            Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            I beg to differ with you on that theory, we will see how the midterms turn out.

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      GA Andersonposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      It's going to be an exciting race to November. It appears the Democrats have decided to adopt a Republican tactic—bare-knuckled, leaving no facts unmutilated, and no claim too outrageous, (like this one). No more civility. Unleash the animal.
      
      Each will publically declare they are the 'mostest' of whatever their claim is.
      
      The Republicans are currently the most experienced in that arena. I'm thinking they will go so extreme that the Democrats, in trying to go toe-to-toe, are going to say some really dumb and decisive things that will hurt them.
      
      However, the coming Republican extremes will hurt them too, with non-Trump-base voters. They could end up blowing the midterms.
      
      Your quotes will seem tame in October. Grab some popcorn.
      
      GA

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         Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

         GA
         It will be a very exciting election.  I have hopes the Republicans will come out strong and kick back the dirt that the Democrats have buried America under. They need to grab the moment.   This is such an important election.  It will either be satisfying or sobering.  We can't play games, if this party splits for any reason, we deserve all we receive, for sitting on high horses. I hope we take the House and Senate, we have a lot of work to do.
         
         However, when I watch all that is going on in the county, and just realize how quickly it has become so messed up. Ya know at this point I am almost at the point of saying --- Whatever. I mean majority rules, and the chips will fall where they will.
         
         I recognize little that represents America at this point.
         
         Shar

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   Ken Burgessposted 13 months ago

   If only it were that easy... Liberals go live in the North East or West Coast.
   
   Conservatives go live in Central and South East... problem solved. 
   
   Anyone registered as Democrat live in one part, Republican the other.

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   Sharlee01posted 13 months ago

   I agree the major blue cities give good proof of what happens with their liberal policies. I must say Trump said it best in regard to new York "it has become a s--t hole".

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      gmwilliamsposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Crime rate in NYC is at the 70s level, I kid you not.    Eric Adams is a big fat joke.  When Giuliani was mayor, the crime rate decreased.  He cleaned up the city.   Eric Adams is just a useless amoeba, no more no less.

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   Fayetteville Fayeposted 13 months ago

   Governor DeSantis calls Dr.  Fauci ‘little elf’ that should be thrown ‘across the Potomac’ this kind of speech, no matter which side of the aisle it comes from, insults my intelligence, my sense of values and morals.  The lack of civility that has been welcomed into our public discourse is shameful.   I don't want to be spoken to as if I'm a middle schooler..by anyone.

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      Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Dr. Fauci should be tried for crimes against humanity and jailed for life.

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         Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

         He will be on the carpet sooner or later. I have said this before, Fauci was Trump's very biggest mistake. He listened to a man that was just not qualified to handle such a crisis. I am Thankful Trump put together the men that he gathered for Operation Warp Speed.

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      Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Biden just called Trump supporters semi-fascists. I think I would rather be called an elf...  Or deplorable, or rubes or hillbillies or low lives, or he uneducated. I could go on and on. So maybe Dems better get a thicker skin, some give back in a gentler manner, like DeSantis
      
      I could think of several things I would like to say about Fauci. But I would not go after his appearance, I would go after the mistakes I feel he made when handling COVID.
      
      We had so many other qualified virologists that could have done a better job. Fauci is a paper pusher with a big ego.

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         Fayetteville Fayeposted 13 months agoin reply to this

         My only point, none of this type of discourse is productive  or makes any sense, no matter who does it.  And yes both seem to be doing it now. The Democrats have joined in.  I think it's insulting to the intelligence of every American. Speak on issues, facts. Do they think we're too dumb to understand and that we just need to be ginned up with incendiary language??  No thanks.

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            Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            I agree, that calling names is not productive. However, many have become tired of being called names, and are angry, and well ready to push back and defend their own belief and values, and vision for the country.

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            GA Andersonposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Yes, Faye, they do think we're too dumb to understand. We have our noses rubbed in that dung by both parties every election. It pisses me off too, and it is the most obvious ones that I rant about. Examples like the Inflation Reduction Act from the Dems to China pays the tarifs from the Republicans.
            
            GA

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   Fayetteville Fayeposted 13 months ago

   And I suppose I can squarely lay the blame for Arkansas dismal statistics at the feet of its Republican lead elected officials far and wide?
   We are currently one of the worst economies in the country, our students score bottom of the barrel on standardized tests, our infant and maternal mortality rates scrape the bottom also.  We score 49th and 50th in terms of accessibility to quality healthcare. And almost 20% of our citizens live in poverty. And the kicker? Without an actual big city in sight The average crime rate in Arkansas is higher than the U.S. median.   KAIT 8 reported Arkansas made a WalletHub list of the worst states in which to raise a family, coming in at number six. In large part, this ranking was due to the crime rate.
   And just for fun we have one of the highest obesity rates in the country. You know y'all, all that fried Chicken.
   So folks, do I blame our Republican leadership or do I try and I understand the unique aspects of this state, it's geographical location and its people's history?

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      Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Go ahead, blame the Republicans, you know deep down inside you want to, you need to.

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         Fayetteville Fayeposted 13 months agoin reply to this

         My point was to not lay blame on anyone although this is a blood red State through and through. I realized that there are other factors that go into these dismal socioeconomic statistics other than solely our government and their policy/ideologies.  It seems though that others don't want to admit that when it's the opposite party.
         And you know what? Arkansas isn't an anomaly. You can look to my not too distant neighbors in Mississippi Alabama Louisiana and Missouri. Same depressive statistics. We're not setting the world on fire by any means.
         Others here were talking about cities that aren't doing so well but you need to take a closer look. We have many, entire states that are circling the drain.

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            Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            This is true, there are many factors, politics only plays one.
            
            New York is victim to NAFTA and China's "favored nation status"... once a place where IBM employed tens of thousands of people, once a place where a great many companies built their products from GE to Carrier, all gone.
            
            You can blame this on politicians because they passed the trade agreements and laws at the federal level that helped hollow out the country.
            
            You can also blame this on politicians at the State level who never corrected for these changes, who continued with bloviated pension plans for teachers, police, state employees, who supported the most liberal social services programs that to this day have people from across the world flocking to NY so they can enjoy those benefits.
            
            Problem is, they can't afford those extravagant pension plans that pay many retirees more than they averaged making during their employment, they can't afford those benevolent social benefits that offer so much to those who never contributed, many who are not even citizens.
            
            That is why they have some of the highest taxes in the nation, that is why working class stiffs can't afford to live there, some people who live on government assistance and make some money on the side live as well as those middle class taxpayers that support the unsustainable programs of NY.
            
            I can't speak about Arkansas, don't know diddly about it, don't want to.
            
            I know Clinton served as Governor there, that's about it.
            
            But I know more than I want to about NY.
            
            I know a little less about CA, but more than enough.
            
            CA is in dire straights on so many levels... if they are where the country is headed in a decades time (a common saying is that CA is ten years ahead of the rest of the country) then any sane person with the means should bail out of the country while they can.
            
            CA has no water left.
            
            CA doesn't have the means to produce enough energy for their own needs.
            
            CA has crime rates skyrocketing, with no abatement in sight.
            
            CA has more homeless than all the other states combined.
            
            CA has the highest taxes in the nation.
            
            CA is falling apart.

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               Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

               California? Stay tuned, Florida is next. These trends go to where the people are. Mayberry simply cannot stay Mayberry.
               
               You live here, are we insulated from any of those things you complain about concerning California, with the exception of State Income Taxes?

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                  wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  *shudder* if what you say is true then we can all look forward to homelessness, open drug usage, rampant crime, vicious riots and empty pocketbooks everywhere.  For that is where the big cities are (except for the privileged few living far from main street).

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                     Fayetteville Fayeposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                     And that's all due to Democrats policy and governance?. If your theory held true then my gem of a Republican lead state would be the land of milk and honey... It is not

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                        DrMark1961posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                        Maybe it is because I do not follow any US news stations but I cannot recall any riots in the Ozarks.

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                           Fayetteville Fayeposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                           It goes well beyond riots. I invite you to come and live here and experience the "prosperity" our Republican governance has brought. This state is at the bottom of every socioeconomic statistic. Health, education, economy, and crime per Capita.
                           I'm growing really tired of people twisting themselves into pretzels to try and somehow prove that their team is right and good 100% of the time. It's just not true.
                           In reality, the governance of any state or city is working with the population they've got and all of its idiosyncrasies due to geography and many other factors.
                           Maybe a government here in the south is going to no better handle a hillbilly population than a government on the coast handling a mixed bag of liberals.  Everyone is ignoring the details preferring to speak in sweeping generalizations.

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                              wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                              What you say is absolutely true.  But at the same time ALL of the really high crime areas in the country are in liberal governed geography.  ALL of the highest taxes are there as well.  So were ALL of the violent riots.
                              
                              They are also ALL in the big cities.  Which is to blame (cramming too many people together or liberal governance)?  Almost certainly a combination of the two.

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                                 Fayetteville Fayeposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                                 People will naturally flock to and congregate in large cities because of the opportunities they hold, particularly jobs.  There are far more economic and other opportunities in New York City or even Atlanta then there are in Fayetteville Arkansas. Those are just the facts.  I'm really not convinced that my state would be in any different of the situation if it's governance turned completely liberal.   No one is really changing these folks.  As far as taxes go I think you get what you pay for.

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                                    wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                                    More jobs, yes.  Also more competition for those jobs and a much higher cost of living.  In general I would have to say that someone looking for work would be better off in cities of 100,000 than the major metropolitan areas.
                                    
                                    But I would very much disagree that you get what you pay for in taxes.  If I look at LA or SanFrancisco compared to where I am the taxes are nearly double...and you get the crime, the homeless, the illegals, etc.  You get enormous utility bills (because there isn't enough water or power).  When it comes down to it I get far more bang for my buck than they do, and in nearly everything but public transportation more period.  From the tax coffers; certainly the arts offer more in big cities, just as smaller ones offer more in the way of camping, forest, fishing, that sort of thing.

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                                       Fayetteville Fayeposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                                       "You get enormous utility bills (because there isn't enough water or power). "
                                       
                                       A quarter of a million people have no water, indefinitely, because Governor Reeves (Mississippi) has ignored a continuing infrastructure problem related to water in Jackson for years. He repeatedly shot down infrastructure upgrades for water. You know what he's focused on?, solving problems that don't exist like trying to copy Florida's ridiculous "anti-woke" legislation. The man has done nothing but rail against the fantasy that law school concepts are being taught to kindergarteners while also trying to make one of the Nations most complete and cruel bans on abortion.  Completely ignoring the issues that really matter and solving actual problems.
                                       Another interesting but sad statistic for the people of jackson, 25% of its citizens are below the poverty level.

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                        wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                        Oh no!  If it were just from poor governance we wouldn't see people leaving California then trying to turn their new home into what they left.
                        
                        Eventually, of course, it defaults to the people voting idiots into office, though that often comes down to the propaganda from those same idiots being swallowed whole.

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                     Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                     So, Wilderness, how long do you think that Boise can remain that bucolic place that you have called home? Just surfing around the web reveals that the housing market there is red hot. California prices are coming to Idaho?
                     
                     Out of the 30 largest cities in the country only 2 or 3 are Republican run and those tend to be smaller. So do the cities have the problem because they are administered by Democrats or do they have the problem simply due to fact they are cities and more people in a smaller area naturally creates more problems than one would find in a small town. As I told you before, the jobs are in the big cities, so where do people go to earn a living?
                     
                     The area where I currently live was just an oasis, a backwater nestled between large metropolises, yet far enough away from any one of them. That was 8 years ago. But, everyone knows that a well kept secret does not stay such for long. Everyone is coming here. You now have to have a brain surgeons income to buy a decent house.
                     
                     So, consider what is happening in Boise as the canary in the coal mine.

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                        wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                        Boise will not, and has not, remained as it was.  It has grown enormously, and with that growth has come some of the problems of big cities even though it does not meet that criteria.  Yet.
                        
                        Just as you have seen in your home area, I have seen the same thing, including the price of housing.  I think (and hope) that a good part of that price was due to shutting down building during COVID, but that can only be a part of it.
                        
                        The question becomes why more people have more problems...per capita.  What changes?  What happens that we see so much more crime, so much more drug usage, so much more violence?  Is it just because there are more people and they get on each others nerves?  Seems to me stress levels rise, and the certainly has an effect, but why?  Is it because the "Keep up with the Joneses" comes home to roost with far too many people? 
                        
                        People can get along in smaller groups - what changes to make it virtually impossible in larger ones?

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                           Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                           Such is human nature, I will bet that urban areas always have more of the problems we're speaking about relative to rural areas anywhere you care to look.
                           
                           Living on Hawaii's Big Island for 3 years in what certainly wasn't an affluent area, people still had boundaries as to their behavior. Many of the homes were nothing more than paper mache on stilts, but there were never any break ins. While the people were not homogeneous, many of their cultural values reflected a certain amount of it. There were certain things that you simply did not do, and the sanctity of someone's home was always respected. The kind of school massacres we read about on the mainland was almost impossible inHawaii, because of extended families. It also explains why so many survive in the face of so many horrendously high costs.
                           
                           There is a certain amount of peace that comes from homogeneity, where either personally or culturally everyone knows everybody else. But, I say that circumstance while ideal is not practical in the modern world. It was like Southern California when I lived there, you could live in an apartment complex for years and not know your next door neighbor.
                           
                           Large cities are a conglomeration of strangers and that results in a certain loss of civility between people.

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                              wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                              Yes, it seems the bigger the city the less one knows their neighbors.  Everyone is a stranger.  Perhaps you're right and that's at the root of their problems.

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