Biden on Thursday when addressing the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee let loose with this ---
This statement appears to be when Biden went off script. He was closing and decided to add this .....
"So I guess — I said I was not going to talk very long; I’ve already talked too long. But — but there’s a lot going on in terms — both domestically and in terms of foreign policy. And it’s a very —
Let me put it this way. Think about it: We have not faced the prospect of Armageddon since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis. We’ve got a guy I know fairly well; his name is Vladimir Putin. I spent a fair amount of time with him. He is not joking when he talks about the potential use of tactical and nuclear weapons, or biological or chemical weapons, because his military is, you might say, significantly underperforming.
It’s part of Russian doctrine that they will not — they will not — if the motherland is threatened, they’ll use whatever force they need, including nuclear weapons.
I don’t think there’s any such thing as an ability to easily lose a tactical nuclear weapon and not end up with Armageddon. "
Source -- Remarks by President Biden at Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee Reception
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo … reception/
So, what does it all means, Is it just another confused Joe statement, or is he really spilling the beans on what we can expect Putin to do? Are we heading toward a Nuclear war with Russia, or should I say a proxy Nuclear war to take place in Europe?
Scared yet?
... we need to have faith in Putin. His mercy is our only hope.
looks like.
I can agree it will be up to Putin if he goes forward with using weapons of mass destruction. That decision is in his hands.
I have not a bit of faith that this president whoever is telling him what to do can handle such a dire situation.
I'm wondering if the shape of his nuclear arsenal is similar to that of his troops?
True, because the alternative is having faith in this guy:
The Pentagon says no sign Putin is planning to use nukes. He's the boy that cried wolf and at this point he has many sights aimed on him. He could probably be taken out at a moment's notice and his country would be relieved. Thankful even.
I'm not sure I get your point. Apart from the missile crisis (which was precipitated by the Soviet Union), Cuba has never been a threat to the United States. We stared down the Soviet Union at that time and they capitulated.
I may have not uderstood your original coment but I think you were suggesting that the US "take out" Putin. (Like the US tried to do with Castro several times, even before the Bay of Pigs fiasco.) Besides being against international law, killing a leader is going to lead to all sorts of problems down the road. If the US were to do such a thing a Russian could come along and blow up some place in the US as revenge.
I think he'll be taken out. I think it would be naive to believe that many nations haven't been talking about the possibility and even planning for it. Whether it's by his own people or the Ukrainians or the United States backing either of the two. Do you really think most of the world is going to continue to put up with this petulant little man threatening nukes? I don't. Mr Trump ordered the hit on Qasem Soleimani and President Biden on al-Zawahiri. Let's not pretend these things don't happen.
Those were not world leaders.
If the US does kill Putin they are going to create a Russian al-Qaeda. We both know what will happen after that.
Dr. Mark
Yes, I am sure Putin will be sure to tell us before he lobs a Nuke. I guess the people in Ukraine will have plenty of time to evacuate.
We can only hope Biden is removed from his job before we end up having a nuke lobbed at the US.
Kathryn, I'm laughing. When did you start believing in Satan?
WW three is in his hands. Whether you want to call him Satan or not. I heard a long time ago that unless a priest is absolutely sure he can extract a demon from someone, he doesn't dare try.
Kathryn, I'm sorry...I refer to Putin, as Satan. But I've since made a U-turn. Yes, WW 3, is in his hands. I pray the Almighty take hold of Putin and put away the puppet in the White House. Your priest, demon, and casting away analogy amused me. Thanks.
We need to help the Almighty.
Get out of the Democratic Party. Stop cooperating with authorities who do not have our best interest at heart ... which they have no hearts, despite the fact that they act like they do.
Acting, acting.
I am very much scared. This president is clearly confused and is sitting in the White House making decisions that are hurting America as well as other Nations. I consider him, and his administration dangerous. I have never witnessed America being so compromised by a president. Not only his mental state, but his family has a lot of accusations of pay-to-play with foreign Nations swirling around them. (I must point out there have been no investigations into Joe Biden's involvement in Hunter dealing to date) However, the FBI and DOJ are currently investigating Hunter Biden
Hopefully, if the Republicans win the Congress Biden will be removed, and he and his family will be investigated.
"I have never witnessed America being so compromised by a president."
Inviting unlimited "immigration" to our country isn't enough; Biden is also destroying a once proud military, while at the same time courting war from at least three sources.
It's a fairly long read (~10 minutes), but this article is scary. Very scary as it is not being publicized at all and no one knows just how much damage is being done by Biden a fellow liberals.
https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/the-rise … -military/
Who would want to fight for such a country that forces all that garbage down your throat?
Who would want to be part of that military?
That is why they can't meet their recruiting quotas.
That is why they can't retain their best and brightest soldiers.
Still, I understand it.
Rockets and drones don't need someone fit, or mentally stable, to control them. It's just as easy for a transgender to push the launch button from half a world away as it is for a normal heterosexual.
Do you think the woke policies instituted by the biden administration have also had an impact on the military?
I know they have.
The military, specifically Combat Arms, was where a man went to be a man among men, to prove himself, to channel his energy or rage or whatever fueled him.
It was a place where men who would otherwise be violent malcontents could find purpose, I don't know what they have filling the ranks today... but I was a dinosaur when I left, that was over 20 years ago, I was part of the old-school thought process, I only made it as long as I did because I was very good at what I did and some very high up individuals knew it.
Great article, I provided it in a thread of its own. Deserves a good look, and should be something that concerns most Americans.
I think it's a stupid and undiplomatic thing to say. As it can lead to a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Not sure if Biden had a slip of the tongue or was just having a moment of confusion. Later in the week, he claimed his son was killed in the Iraq war. he factually was in the Iraq war and spent a year there in 2009, however, he died in 2015 of cancer. He clearly was confused when he made that statement. I am inclined to feel his Armageddon comment was said in confusion.
Zelenskyy's plea follows Biden's 'Armageddon' comment
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy urged world leaders to act and stop Russian President Vladimir Putin as he warns that Moscow has begun preparations for the possible use of nuclear weapons.
"They begin to prepare their society," Zelenskyy said during a BBC interview at the presidential palace in Kyiv. "That's very dangerous. They are not ready to do it, to use it, but they begin to communicate."
"They don't know whether they'll use or not use it," he stressed. "I think it's dangerous to even speak about it."
President Biden on Friday set social media into a frenzy when he said that Putin was "not joking when he talks about the use of tactical nuclear weapons," adding that "we have not faced the prospect of Armageddon since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis."
The White House defended Biden’s comments, saying, "That kind of irresponsible rhetoric we have seen is no way for the leader of a nuclear-armed state to speak, and that’s what the president was making very clear."
White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre told reporters aboard Air Force One that officials "have not seen any reason to adjust our own strategic nuclear posture."
"Nor do we have indications that Russia is preparing to imminently use nuclear weapons," she added.
Putin’s rhetoric and policy have grown more aggressive after Ukraine made significant gains and drove back the Russian military in the Donbas region, advancing 25 miles in one day this week after Putin claimed to have annexed the rebel region as part of Russia.
Putin last month approved the partial mobilization of Russia’s military, allowing him to call a draft, which sent Russian men fleeing from the country to avoid military service in what has turned into an extremely difficult campaign for Moscow.
And that has pushed Putin into a corner from which critics fear he will take the most drastic actions. He made renewed threats of using "any force necessary," including nuclear weapons, to defend what he viewed as Russian territory from other nations.
Rebekah Koffler, a former Defense Intelligence Agency officer and the author of "Putin’s Playbook: Russia’s Secret Plan to Defeat America," told Fox News Digital that Zelenskyy is worried and has reason to be as Putin’s threat to use a nuclear weapon remains a "real possibility" that Western leaders may unintentionally provoke with their rhetoric.
"[Zelenskyy] wants the U.S. and NATO to preemptively strike Russia to prevent Putin from unleashing Armageddon on Ukraine, but unintentionally, Zelenskyy as well as Biden … are ratcheting up escalation," Koffler said, explaining that what they see as a deterrent only "feeds into his paranoia."
"Putin views it as his last and decisive battle that he cannot possibly lose because the stakes are of existential nature for Russia and for Putin," she added.
Sources
https://www.foxnews.com/world/zelenskyy … ar-weapons
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-begin … 55710.html
https://vnews.bksfe.com/zelenskyy-inter … 11141.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl … 97726.html
Emmanuel Macron -- Emmanuel Macron rebukes Joe Biden for ‘nuclear Armageddon’ warning
The French leader called for ‘prudence’, while US officials sought to reassure that no new intelligence prompted the president’s comments
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/ … rmageddon/
BERLIN
The German chancellor on Friday warned against the use of nuclear weapons in the Russia-Ukraine conflict.
“We need to give a clear answer to nuclear threats: They’re dangerous for the world, and the use of nuclear weapons is unacceptable,” Olaf Scholz told a news conference in Prague. https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/use-of- … ys/2705637
He made the comments in response to a question about US President Joe Biden’s warning that the world now faces the highest prospect of nuclear war in 60 years.
Oct 4, 2022
HHS purchases drug for use in radiological and nuclear emergencies
As part of long-standing, ongoing efforts to be better prepared to save lives following radiological and nuclear emergencies, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services is purchasing a supply of the drug Nplate from Amgen USA Inc; Nplate is approved to treat blood cell injuries that accompany acute radiation syndrome in adult and pediatric patients (ARS).
Amgen, based in Thousands Oaks, California, developed Nplate for ARS with support from the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), part of the HHS Administration for Strategic Preparedness and Response (ASPR), as well as the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, part of the National Institutes of Health.
BARDA is using its authority provided under the 2004 Project Bioshield Act and $290 million in Project BioShield designated funding to purchase this supply of the drug. Amgen will maintain this supply in vendor-managed inventory. This approach decreases life-cycle management costs for taxpayers because doses that near expiration can be rotated into the commercial market for rapid use prior to expiry and new doses can be added to the government supply.
ARS, also known as radiation sickness, occurs when a person’s entire body is exposed to a high dose of penetrating radiation, reaching internal organs in a matter of seconds. Symptoms of ARS injuries include impaired blood clotting as a result of low platelet counts, which can lead to uncontrolled and life-threatening bleeding.
Nplate is also approved for adult and pediatric patients with immune thrombocytopenia, a blood disorder resulting in low platelet counts. Repurposing drugs for acute radiation syndrome that also are approved for a commercial indication helps to sustain availability of the product and improves healthcare provider familiarity with the drug.
About HHS, ASPR, and BARDA: HHS works to enhance and protect the health and well-being of all Americans, providing for effective health and human services and fostering advances in medicine, public health, and social services. ASPR leads HHS in preparing the nation to respond to and recover from adverse health effects of emergencies, supporting communities’ ability to withstand adversity, strengthening health and response systems, and enhancing national health security. Within ASPR, BARDA invests in the innovation, advanced research and development, acquisition, and manufacturing of medical countermeasures – vaccines, drugs, therapeutics, diagnostic tools, and non-pharmaceutical products – needed to combat health security threats. To learn more, visit medicalcountermeasures.gov."
https://aspr.hhs.gov/newsroom/Pages/ARS-Oct2022.aspx
What a f'n abomination this guy is. Him and Zelensky.
They started this.
"Ukraine will take back Crimea by whatever means necessary, including war." - Zelensky, March 2021
Well, you got what you asked for, you two nitwits... war with a country that has the largest Nuclear arsenal in the world. War with a country that considers Crimea part of its nation... NOT part of Ukraine.
"They started this."
You do like to make the most ridiculous statements. Are you aware that it is Russia who invaded Ukraine? I think a person with an adequate ability to reason would fault the Russians for this war.
"Ukraine will take back Crimea by whatever means necessary, including war." - Zelensky, March 2021"
That's right. Russia does not get to take parts of other countries when they feel like it. When President Zelensky made this statement, it was at a forum on Crimea. Representatives from other countries cheered his words.
Again, answer me this, if Russia decided to annex Alaska because it had been part of the Soviet Union, should the United States simply let them have Alaska and forget about it? Would anyone expect the United States to simply let Russia have Alaska because Russia has nuclear weapons? Russia could also build a bridge from the Russian mainland to Alaska. They could say that Alaska is closer to Russia that the United States. Would you be okay with such a move by the Russians?
You need to answer this question. I don't think you understand the situation.
I understand it well enough.
I've posted on here a break down of Crimean history, and just how many times since being "given" to Ukraine they have tried to separate from Ukraine.
If Zelensky hadn't pranced around the world talking about taking back Crimea, if he hadn't put into Ukrainian law that they were going to take back Crimea, if Biden hadn't come out and said that America will never accept the secession of Crimea and fully supported Ukraine's efforts to take it back, then Russia would have no excuse for their actions.
For over six years Crimea has been part of Russia.
And in 2021 Zelensky, knowing America was going to back the war in every way, decided to make it known Ukraine would take it back.
I understand just fine why Russia started this war NOW and not five or six years ago.
Do you?
There is so much you don't know.
I can tell you that when I went to Ukraine in the 90s after it gained its independence, the Russians still considered it part of Russia. First, they tried to install a fake president based on an election that was more fraudulent than what the democrats did in 2020. All of the elections had been fraudulent and controlled by the Russians. Everyone knew it. Then they installed Poroshenko. A man who could not even speak Ukrainian and took much of the country's wealth for himself. That was enough. The Orange Revolution took care of him. Ukrainians were not going to take Russia's control over them anymore.
This infuriated Russia. They could not handle having such little control over Ukraine. The Russians tried it again, but they failed.
This led to the influx of Russian soldiers moving into the breakaway republics as "factory workers" as Russia armed them. Then the breakaway republics started the war in 2014. The Ukraine military was not that good at that time. Still, out of the 65 oblasts taken by them, Ukraine got back 32 until a cease fire agreement was reached. Ukraine would have taken back more but they agreed to a cease fire. Russian then annexed Crimea. Ukraine realized their military could not take on the Russian army directly at that time.
I could go on. After the Orange revolution, many Russian-only television stations were taken off the air. The same with Russian-only radio stations. Russian was made a "second" language in Ukrainian schools. Ukrainian was now the primary language being taught. All towns and even road signs in Russian were now changed to their Ukrainian names. Even the small town where my family resides changed its name to a Ukrainian name.
The Ukrainian Orthodox church broke from the Russian Orthodox church. Ukraine's national identity was growing, and Russian influence was being eliminated. The thought of a truly free and independent Ukraine scared Russians.
You can say anything you want, point to any opinion by a military or political person you want, but I'm telling you, the reason for the war is that Russia and Russians are horrified by a truly free and independent Ukraine.
The bottom-line is doesn't matter why Russia started it. An all-out war has been started between Russia and Ukraine. Russia is used to the other countries in Eastern Europe just giving into them when they flex their military muscle. I can only imagine the mental shock they are experiencing by Ukraine fighting them and winning. Bullies hate it when someone stands up to them. They made a big mistake in underestimating Ukrainian resolve to be free of all things Russian. My one relative in Ukraine has banned speaking Russian in his home. It is often referred to as the "Language of the Devil" by many people.
So, Russia has intended to invade Ukraine and take it over since it gained its independence in 1991. Trust me, when visiting Ukraine, people from Ukraine who worked in Russia would talk about how the Russians wanted it to happen back then. When they could no longer install their chosen leaders and control Ukraine, they then focused on the breakaway republics and annexing Crimea.
Russia invading Ukraine was an eventually.
You never did answer the Alaska analogy for some reason. I wonder why.
I didn't answer it because it is totally irrelevant and incomparable.
Ukraine is being used as a tool for powerful interests being pushed by their front man Biden.
Russia was happy to be in its little skirmish in the Donbas. Crimea had seceded and was now part of Russia. Things could have been negotiated down, Donbas tensions eased, the world remaining at peace.
That didn't happen, Zelensky made law that Ukraine would take Crimea back by force, Biden supported him (pushed more likely)... and THAT was a declaration of war on Russia.
Its American weapons, American money, and American experts fighting this war. Period. Ukrainians are just the pawns being used and they will fare no better than Iraq for it.
And now we are very realistically on the verge of Nuclear war... if that happens, Ukraine will become a wasteland, and no Ukrainian will win, all of Ukraine loses.
That's where this goes. Do you see an alternative that these lunatics (Zelensky and Biden) are offering? Are they allowing Russia an out that doesn't include the annihilation of Ukraine? Crimea isn't going to be taken without Russia releasing a nuclear strike, so what is the plan?
There is no defeating Russia without the complete annihilation of Ukraine and how anyone can think otherwise is beyond my ability to comprehend.
Not to belittle this matter, but there is a TON going on here beyond Ukraine. The financial systems in many nations of the world are in total collapse, the Fed seems intent on keeping up its interest hikes until the whole global economy, bonds, stocks, banks, collapse entirely.
Biden signed Executive Order 14067... one of many EOs signed by Biden that are treasonous and are set to doom all Americans, when the entire global financial system breaks down. We are heading toward full blown despotism in our own country. We aren't going to make it to 2024 to have a chance to vote this madman out... by 2024 it will be all over.
The Biden Administration is dooming the entire world, the suffering that is about to commence will be like nothing the world has ever experienced.
Ukraine is unfortunately going to suffer the most because of Biden's machinations, but we are all going to suffer, only the truly elite, the richest of the rich, are not going to be affected by it.
"That didn't happen, Zelensky made law that Ukraine would take Crimea back by force, Biden supported him (pushed more likely)... and THAT was a declaration of war on Russia."
You are a bit confused. See, Russia annexing Crimea was an act of war. Having soldiers move into a region of the country and break away from the host country is an act of war. It is a shame you don't seem to realize this.
"And now we are very realistically on the verge of Nuclear war... if that happens, Ukraine will become a wasteland, and no Ukrainian will win, all of Ukraine loses."
Did you know that in 1991, Ukraine and many nuclear weapons. They gave them up in an agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum. It was an agreement between the US, UK, and Russia. IF the UK and US are to honor this agreement, they would have an obligation to respond to any Russian use of nuclear weapons against Ukraine.
"There is no defeating Russia without the complete annihilation of Ukraine and how anyone can think otherwise is beyond my ability to comprehend."
No, Russia's military is failing. Their population is against the war. It is paying a heavy worldwide political and military price for this war. Maybe too much of a price. Their military will take decades to rebuild to what it once had been. Once they go back behind their borders, they will have lost. This will happen.
The Alaska analogy is very relevant. Again, I suppose you refuse to answer it because the answer will prove my point.
Mike, what did you think of Biden's statement in regard to "armageddon"?
"Let me put it this way. Think about it: We have not faced the prospect of Armageddon since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis. We’ve got a guy I know fairly well; his name is Vladimir Putin. I spent a fair amount of time with him. He is not joking when he talks about the potential use of tactical and nuclear weapons, or biological or chemical weapons, because his military is, you might say, significantly underperforming.
It’s part of Russian doctrine that they will not — they will not — if the motherland is threatened, they’ll use whatever force they need, including nuclear weapons.
I don’t think there’s any such thing as an ability to easily lose a tactical nuclear weapon and not end up with Armageddon. " Joe Biden
World leaders were quick to respond.
If Biden spouts off that we are going to have Armageddon, you had better start getting prepared for it.
Biden spouted off that Russia was going to invade Ukraine, because he knew they had no choice, to not at least try was to simply wait for Ukraine to build up its American provided forces and weapons to take back Crimea.
Biden spouted off that they would shut off the Nord Stream, and wouldn't you know it, its been shut off, permanently.
So when Biden spouts off that there is going to be a nuclear war, expect it.
He just said if Russia is attacked they will use whatever is at their disposal to defend themselves, and Putin promised that includes nukes.
So there is a problem, because Russia considers Crimea to be part of Russia, and it has been for 6 years now, with no issues from within Crimea.
Anyways, don't listen to me, listen to someone far more experienced and in the know... someone who essentially restates everything I have been saying on all these topics... difference is, he is a former Colonel and Senator:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALb2FPXFro4
I think biden should not be permitted to comment on anything beyond what he had for lunch.
The attitude in Ukraine by those I speak with is "We can't worry about it. We can't let that stop us from liberating our territories."
If putin is going to use them, there is nothing biden has said or will say that will change his mind.
I see Ken's point about Biden's many blunders, that ultimately did come to fruition. He has a long history of being a man that tries to build up his ego with the persona of --- I know more about this than you" type statements.
In my view, he should not even be getting briefed on the war. His mouth is dangerous.
I agree, if Putin did or does decide to use nuclear or bio-weapons, there is little anyone can do. But, we don't need Biden putting Putin in a corner, making it almost look like Putin would be weak if he does not use them.
In my view, Biden has little care about the people of the Ukraine, as he has little care about Americans. He is fighting a proxy war, a chess game when he does not even have the mental capacity to play checkers.
Biden has not made blunders.
Biden is a key member of the World Economic Forum:
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/j … eat-reset/
Biden is a key supporter of all of the UN's Agenda 2030 goals:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wash … ion-treaty
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo … rotection/
https://www.heritage.org/global-politic … ed-nations
Biden is fast tracking America to its demise, he serves the interests of global players and corporations that have no qualms sacrificing America's best interests or American's wellbeing.
Biden is fast bringing us to a terrible place, the suffering will be immense, the destabilization of civilization could become severe, no nation will be free of this anguish.
Only those "stakeholders" only the very rich will survive unscathed.
Well, Ken, I made my way through your links... I suggest anyone that picks up on your comment do the same. if I were not already very concerned, I certainly am now. My God how in the world did all this wool be pulled over our heads with such speed? We either wake up to what this administration is doing or become a Nation that is led by dictators.
They have followed the ideology of Conquer and divide, and sweep in.
Like no other time do we need to stand for our democracy. It has become apparent to me that over the past two years we have lost many rights, and this does not seem to concern the masses. We are in trouble.
It shocks me that they would choose Biden as the trojan horse. Such a clearly inept man.
There's a simple solution to this problem. Should I say: God save America? But rather Americans should rise up against Biden to be impeached. Nevertheless, America, being God's own country, I pray, God save America!
Miebakagh
Where you say in your other comment further down:-
“But how come you Brits fought the 'enemy' 'n the air, under the sea, and on the land, under late Prime Minister, Winston Churchill?”
In answer to your question:-
Britain was at war with Germany during WWII.
From the 7th September 1940 until the 11th May 1941 German war planes dropped thousands upon thousands of bombs on cities across Britain, mostly in London; the German bombing raids destroyed over 2 million homes across Britain.
Bristol was bombed six time during that time; something my parents and grandparents remembered vividly.
The first air raid in Bristol lasted over six hours, with 148 German bombers dropping 1,540 tonnes of high explosive bombs and over 12,000 incendiary bombs down on the city, on that first night alone. In total 89,080 buildings in Bristol were destroyed during the bombing raid, of which 81,830 were houses, and a further 3,000 houses had to be demolished because of bomb damage.
Then from the 10th July to the 31st of October 1940 was the famous Battle of Britain, where British war planes fought German war planes in the British sky. The British war planes were outnumbered, but fortunately Britain won that battle for air superiority over Britain; if they hadn’t then Germany’s intention was to do a land invasion of Britain. But because Britain won the battle of the skies, Germany instead targeted Russian rather than Britain for its next conquest.
• Battle of Britain Statistics: https://youtu.be/O3AsxBQzkmI
• Bristol (where I live) bombed by the Germans during WWII: https://youtu.be/vIVaXQu5LUI
Readmikenow; I absolutely agree with you; and where (further down) you say "Russia is used to the other countries in Eastern Europe just giving into them when they flex their military muscle. I can only imagine the mental shock they are experiencing by Ukraine fighting them and winning. Bullies hate it when someone stands up to them. Absolutely, well said.
I did not think Alaska was analagous but the comment did make me think of England and Ireland. How would the UK react if part of the people of Belfast stood up and demaned their independence?
I guess we already know. They would send in their army.
Russia is not the only bully in the world.
I think just like Russia and Ukraine that have a history that goes back hundreds of years, the same be said of the relationship between Ireland and England.
I do know that most residents in Northern Ireland consider themselves to be British citizens. If you've ever been there, they are proud of it. So, the question would be does England have a right to protect its citizens? It is not a case where England is being a bully.
Russia and Crimea have a history that goes back hundreds of years.
Crimea is not uniquely or historically tied to Ukraine.
Ukraine itself is a conglomeration of parts sundered from other nations.
There is a very real difference in opinions and perspectives and histories between those in Western Ukraine and those in Eastern Ukraine.
Beyond that, Crimea is even more separate and unique.
Ireland is good for comparison only in the context that some wanted their freedom from the UK... but they did not have a history and culture with another nation.... Crimea does, Crimea is Russian.
Crimeans speak Russian, have Russian family members, have always considered themselves part of Russia, moreso than they felt themselves part of Ukraine... the entire time they had been part of Ukraine they attempted to secede, declare independence, or re-unite with Russia... not at any one point, throughout the entire time since they had been "given"" to Ukraine during the USSR... which meant nothing, because they were all beholden to Moscow at that time.
I don't believe there would be a war in Ukraine today (Donbas skirmishes excepted) without Zelensky declaring Ukraine would take Crimea back by force.
That saber rattling, that rhetoric, was tantamount to a declaration of war on Russia... fully supported by Biden and DC from day one.
In truth, they will never let Zelensky negotiate a peace, they will see Russia destroy Ukraine first, that is what they want, enough of an excuse for America (NATO) to become directly involved (even more than it is).
These fools are going to bring about the destruction of human civilization as we know it, we are all going to suffer for it, unless you are a billionaire and have your own private island or mountain fortress.
There is no way Ukraine can win without American intervention... and there is no way there will be American intervention without it going nuclear.
Ken, where you say “Ireland is good for comparison only in the context that some wanted their freedom from the UK... but they did not have a history and culture with another nation....”
Well actually, for your information….. Ireland does have a history, culture and language with another nation: The Celts.
The English history and culture is predominantly the amalgamation of the Anglo-Saxons (Germans) who mass migrated to England (except for Cornwall) from the 5th century (after the Romans retreated back to Rome (Italy)) and the Normans (Normandy, France, of Viking origin e.g. Scandinavia) who invaded and occupied England from 1066. Both my maternal and paternal side of the family are of Norman origin, migrating to England after the 1066 invasion.
While in contrast, the native Irish are Celts, who occupied Britain long before the Roman invasion of England in 43 AD. The Celts have their own history, culture and language.
England first invaded Ireland in 1169; and fully invaded and occupied Ireland from 1649, confiscating land from the native Irish and giving it to the English; and from that time, until the Irish rebellion against British rule in the 1920s it was illegal for the native Irish to own or lease land above a certain value – consequently, by 1778 the native Irish held just 5% of land in Ireland.
In 1800, following a failed Rebellion of 1798, where the Irish fought to end British Rule in Ireland, a Peace Treaty was signed, whereby Ireland (under international law) legally became part of the UK (United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland).
Below is the Sinn Fein 2016 General Election Political Broadcast – spoken in the native Irish language: https://youtu.be/cVMGSvoo6mA
Great post, you obviously know about the origin of the northern workers then.My apologies if my earlier comment came out rude.
Thanks, my interest in Ireland mainly stems from an interest in British history primarily in respect researching my family history (genealogy), and because my wife’s father was born in Belfast, Northern Ireland (Protestant).
Dr Mark….
Russia signed a non-aggression pact with Germany on 23rd August 1939; and from the 17th September 1939 had a German-Soviet pact of coordinated operations to seize parts of Eastern Europe together. That pact came to an abrupt end on 22 June 1941 when Germany launched and invasion on Russia.
The reason Germany switched its sights on invading Russia instead of Britain is because it lost the Battle of Britain; a 3 ½ month air fight over mainland England for air superiority as a prelude to invading Britain.
So yes, if Britain hadn’t declared war on Germany in 1939, after seizing France, and the most of the rest Europe, Britain would have been its next target.
Ukraine is not part of the USA, but Ukraine is part of Europe, as is the UK; so yes, my perspective in that respect may well be different to Ken. But it still doesn’t alter the fact that if Russia were allowed to conquer more and more of Europe, unopposed, it would become a superpower that would be a real threat to America; and by that time it would be too late for America to do anything about it.
You cannot know Britain was its next target. Logically it makes sense, bit no one does know that, as things change according to what one does.They may have invaded Poland and gone on to the USSR. Or not. I do not know, nor does anyone who claims to be an expert on this. They only know what they think probably would have happened.
The battle of Britain took place after the UK declared war on Germany. No one is even sure that would have happened without the declaration of war.
None of us know whether Russia is planning to conquer Ukrainia and then destroy the rest of Europe. It is already a superpower with nuclear weapons that are a real threat to America.
At least get your facts right: Germany invaded Poland on the 1st September 1939, before Britain declared war on Germany. And FYI by the time Germany had its sights on Britian Germany had already invaded France, and virtually the whole of the rest of Europe; and had also invaded and occupied two British Overseas Territories.
So you can't downplay the gravity of it.
And likewise with Russian invasion of Ukraine, Ukraine isn't the first independent country that Russia has invaded since the collapse of its old Empire in 1992, and if left unchecked, Ukraine would not have been the last.
Yeah, everyone thought that Russia was a superpower before it invaded Ukraine, but its invasion has shown Russia not to be a superpower that they and everyone thought they were. The only threat they pose to the world is the threat of nuclear war; and so we are back to questioning on whether the world should capitulate and cow down to Russian's threats or stand our ground and show Russia that we will not be intimidated.
The facts were correct. Why are you making a statement like that? Germany invaded Poland, then the UK declared war on Germany. So? That does not negate the fact that you do not know what would have happened had the UK not declared war on Germany, nor you know what Russia will do in the future. Analysts might come up with various scenarios but the reason that they come up with many is that they do not know. You certainly do not.
When I said get your facts right you stated “They may have invaded Poland and gone on to the USSR.”. FYI, at the time Germany invaded Poland they had a non-aggressive pact with Russia; and besides, after invading Poland Germany went onto invade Demark, Norway and France before setting its sights on Britain.
It was Germany’s intention to occupy the whole of Europe (including neutral countries) and in the end, including Russia: As the timeline of their invasion shows below. So to say that Britain would have been safe from Germany had Britain been neutral. In fact, if Britain had been neutral, America would not have been dragged into the war, and Germany would have occupied the whole of the rest of Europe (except for perhaps Russia) unopposed. And today, instead of having free democratic countries across Europe, most of Europe would still be under a Dictatorial Empire; just like most of Europe was under a Dictatorial Empire for five centuries, including England, when Rome (Italy) invaded and occupied most of Europe 2,000 years ago.
In date order of the invasion: The 22 European countries invaded by Germany during WW2, of which 8 were neutral countries; and the date each country was invaded by Germany.
• Austria – 12th March 1938
• Czechoslovakia – 29th September 1938
• Poland – 1st September 1939
• Denmark - 9th April 1940
• Norway - 9th April 1940
• France - 10th May 1940
• Belgium - 10th May 1940 (a neutral country)
• Netherlands – 10th May 1940 (a neutral country)
• Luxembourg – 10th May 1940 (a neutral country)
• France - 5th June 1940
• Guernsey - 30th June 1940
• Jersey - 30th June 1940
• Greece – 6th April 1941
• Yugoslavia – 6th April 1941
• Lithuania – 22nd June 1941 (a neutral country)
• Latvia – 22nd June 1941 (a neutral country)
• Estonia – 22nd June 1941 (a neutral country)
• Ukraine – 22nd June 1941
• Italy – 8th September 1943
• Monaco – 9th September 1943 (a neutral country)
• Hungary – 12th March 1944
• San Marino – 17th September 1944 (a neutral country)
At the start of WW2 Russia and Germany had a non-aggression pact that divided Europe up between them; and on that basis, after 17th September 1939 Russia invaded and annexed Finland and Romania and other Eastern European countries. But all this came to an end, and Russia switched sides to fight with America and Britain when on the 22nd June 1941 Germany tried to invade Russia.
Again, the two don't compare.
Ireland is not Crimea.
The escalation of this war centers around Crimea's secession and acceptance as part of Russia, at a time when there was no elected government in Ukraine.
Crimea, since it was "given" to Ukraine tried repeatedly to secede, gain it's independence or rejoin Russia, constantly, repeatedly.
This is a war about power, energy, control. To say it is about freeing Crimea or returning it to Ukraine is just the excuse being used.
This isn't a typical interference by America, this isn't Iraq or Libya, this is Russia, they have more than a few nukes. Our escalating this war is pure insanity.
This war would be over if America was not injecting billions, weapons, Intel and expertise.
No one recognizes this more than the Russians.
"Crimea, since it was "given" to Ukraine tried repeatedly to secede, gain it's independence or rejoin Russia, constantly, repeatedly."
This reminds me of Puerto Rico. You need to read about the Jayuya Uprising and the Freedom Fighters. Yet, it is still part of the United States. Did you ever hear of the saying "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks?"
"This war would be over if America was not injecting billions, weapons, Intel and expertise."
Ukrainians would still find a way to fight the Russians and remain free. The only reason Ukraine has the support of NATO and the United States is that it is in their best interest.
Russia's military has been degraded to the point where it is not much of a threat to any other country. This puts the United States and NATO in a superior position to Russia.
No Ireland is not Crimea, but Ireland was a Sovereign State that was invaded and occupied by a foreign nation e.g. the English.
In response to your initial comment, as I said previously " Ireland does have its own history, culture and language (separate from and different to the English), specifically, they are a Celtic nation, not British.
Crimea did not become part of Russia Empire for the first time until 1783, Ireland fully became part of the British Empire in 1649 (by force).
Historically there are more similarities between the Russian Empire and the British Empire than you seem to like to admit?
And, although the USA, as the biggest economy in the free world is by far contributing more than other nations; it's not the USA alone who is helping the war effort; the Wikipedia link below is comprehensive and detailed in what aid each country is giving.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_f … pean_Union
As well as financial, humanitarian and military aid, the UK is also hosting training programmes, supported by a number of allies, with the aim of providing military training in the UK of tens of thousands of Ukrainian personnel. https://youtu.be/VlCb1Lg4WZs
I try to keep things basic... you like to extrapolate them to the nth degree.
I will stick with the basics... is Crimea populated by Russians?
Yes.
Did Crimea secede from a broken nation with no elected government at the time of its secession?
Yes.
Did Russia accept Crimea as part of Russia and inform the world that this was official, and not up for debate?
Yes.
So, saying you are going to take back Crimea, is saying you are going to war with Russia.
America does NOT have a superior or more moral position with which to tell Russia no you cannot have Crimea.
In the UN: 66 nations called for an end to Ukraine war. Yes, most of the world has condemned Russia's invasion. But a growing amount of the global community has called urgently for an end to the war.
The 66 nations that called for peace in Ukraine make up more than a third of the countries in the world, and they represent most of the Earth's population, including India, China, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Brazil and Mexico.
On March 11, 2022, President Biden reassured the American public and the world that the United States and its NATO allies were not at war with Russia. "We will not fight a war with Russia in Ukraine," said Biden. "Direct conflict between NATO and Russia is World War III, something we must strive to prevent."
Biden lied.
NATO and EU countries have repeatedly rejected peace negotiations, and U.S. and British leaders have actively undermined them, five European countries Hungary, Malta, Portugal, San Marino and the Vatican joined the calls for peace at the General Assembly.
On Oct. 5, Nikolay Patrushev, the head of Russia's Security Council, recognized that Russia is now fighting NATO in Ukraine. Putin has reminded the world that Russia has nuclear weapons and is prepared to use them "when the very existence of the state is put under threat," as Russia's official nuclear weapons doctrine declared in June 2020.
Russia now considers itself under direct threat.
I don't care if the Ukrainians think this war is just or not.
I don't care if Russian troops committed war crimes.
This is idiocy, it always was, there is no defeating Russia without a very high probability of destroying the world.
I will stick with the basics... is Crimea populated by Russians?
Yes. Using your logic. Are there Russians in Alaska. YES. Is it the state with the most Russian speaking people in the United States. YES. So, should it be given to Russia? (I dare you to answer that one as you've been too afraid to answer such questions in the past)
Did Crimea secede from a broken nation with no elected government at the time of its secession?
Yes. NO. Russia illegally annexed Crimea which was considered an autonomous nation.
Did Russia accept Crimea as part of Russia and inform the world that this was official, and not up for debate?
Yes. NO, Russia illegally annexed Crimea and held a bogus election.
"Why the Crimean Referendum Is Illegitimate"
International law prefers to preserve the territorial integrity of states and limit the right of popular self-determination because minority secession movements, if allowed to proceed without limits, do not reflect the views of the majority in a state and could lead to the breakdown of the international system.
https://www.cfr.org/interview/why-crime … legitimate
"I don't care if the Ukrainians think this war is just or not.
I don't care if Russian troops committed war crimes."
Do you get any type of financial compensation from the Russian government to make these posts? Just wondering. It would make sense.
No, I just use common sense.
As in, Crimea wasn't worth starting WWIII over.
As in, Crimea has been part of Russia since 2014.
It's a little f'n late to start WWIII over something that happened 7+ years ago.
As for that BS about Alaska... Over 90% of Crimea are of Russian descent, speak Russian, etc. just more nonsense trying to compare the two.
Extrapolating things to the nth degree is how I was trained in the civil service.
Covering your bulleted points in turn:
1. You said “Is Crimea populated by Russians…. Yes”
Yeah, in 2014 67.9% of the Crimean population was Russian. In 2021 45.7% of population in Northern Ireland were Celtic, and 43.48% British.
2. You said “Did Crimea secede from a broken nation with no elected government at the time of its secession? Yes”
At the time of Russia seizing Crimea in 2014 Ukraine had a legitimate, legal and democratic government; but not one that Russia liked. Besides, Russia is not a democracy, it’s a dictatorship that supresses freedom of speech, freedom of Liberty and has a poor human’s rights record; so you can’t take the high-road in trying to defend Russia on moral grounds.
3. You said “Did Russia accept Crimea as part of Russia and inform the world that this was official, and not up for debate?” “Yes”.
Prior to the 1920s Britain accepted Ireland was part of the British Empire and in 1801 informed the world that this was official, and not up for debate; then in the 1920s, following the war with Britain, southern Ireland gained its independence from British Rule, and became the Republic of Ireland, an independent country in its own right.
4. You said “So, saying you are going to take back Crimea, is saying you are going to war with Russia.”
Well yeah, Ireland was at war with Britain in the 1920s that is how southern Ireland gained its independence from Britain.
5. You said “America does NOT have a superior or more moral position with which to tell Russia no you cannot have Crimea.”
In 2014, when Russia seized Crimea back, the rest of the world, including America and Europe just stood back and allowed Russia add Crimea to the Russian Empire.
A large minority of countries may well have called for an end to the Ukrainian wat in the UN, and that may well represent a majority of the world population; but with China being one of those countries and with China being almost 5th (20%) of the world population that’s should be no great surprise; and besides, most of the countries who don’t support the war are NOT free democratic countries, especially countries like China.
6. Biden did NOT lie when he said “that the United States and its NATO allies were not at war with Russia, saying "We will not fight a war with Russia in Ukraine," and "Direct conflict between NATO and Russia is World War III, something we must strive to prevent."
NATO is NOT at war with Russia, NATO is not fighting a war with Russia in Ukraine, and there is NO direct conflict between NATO and Russia.
Prior to the Irish war with Britain in the 1920s (up until 1918) Germany has supplied the IRA (Irish Republican Army) with weapons to use against the British; admittedly, Germany was at war with Britain at the time.
However, during the civil war in Northern Ireland from 1968 to 1998 Americans were supplying the IRA with weapons to fight the British (smuggled into Northern Ireland via the Republic of Ireland; but that did not mean that America was at war with Britain.
7. Yeah, of course NATO and the EU and UK have repeatedly rejected peace negotiations; the sort of peace negotiations that Russia wants is a negotiated settlement where Eastern Ukraine becomes part of the Russian Empire – which is unacceptable. An analogy would be Russia seizing Alaska and then be willing to negotiate keeping half of it; would the USA be willing to negotiate away half of Alaska under such circumstances?
8. You stated “Nikolay Patrushev, the head of Russia's Security Council, recognized that Russia is now fighting NATO in Ukraine.”
Russian propaganda, stated by a Russian Official; what do you expect them so say?
9. Yeah, according to the Russian official nuclear weapons doctrine declared in June 2020, “Russia has nuclear weapons” and they ‘say’ they are prepared to use them when the very existence of the state is put under threat.
Putin may feel that Russia is under direct threat, because Russia is losing the war in Ukraine, but Russia is the invading force; just like Hitler was the invading force sweeping across Europe during the 2nd world war; and as Britain was the invading force when it occupied 25% of the world at the peak of its Empire.
But seriously, Russian invasion of Ukraine is illegal and immoral, and if left unchecked would have been just the beginning of Putin’s ambition to rebuild the old Russian Empire e.g. after Ukraine, it would have had its sights on occupying the many free and democratic countries in Eastern Europe; threatening world peace, including the security of America e.g. if allowed, Russia would become a real superpower, that would have been a major threat to America.
10. Where you say “I don't care if the Ukrainians think this war is just or not.” and “I don't care if Russian troops committed war crimes.” It is war, and Russian troops have committed war crimes; and it does matter.
11. Where you say “This is idiocy, it always was, there is no defeating Russia without a very high probability of destroying the world.”: It’s not idiocy – Allowing bullies to trample all over smaller nations just encourages them to go further and farther, and literally get away with murder. And ultimately, become a major threat to countries like the USA.
Apart from which, in spite of all news media within Russia being State controlled, and all private news sources being illegal and blocked in Russia, a small but growing of Russian citizens does not support Putin’s war in Ukraine.
Yeah, Putin is a Narcissistic dictator, who has become very irrational, and if he feels cornered may well try to do something stupid like using nuclear bombs in Ukraine; which runs the risk of escalation to World War III: But honestly, do you really bow down to a bully because they threaten you; if you do then the bully will just walk all over you: Do you really want that e.g. the USA cowering in the shadows because they are scared of Russia?
You make excellent points.
I am always impressed as to how many countries in east and west Europe support Ukraine. Not just in words, but in taking in refugees, helping to train Ukrainian troops, supplying weapons, food, money, and more.
I think Europeans comprehend the situation because they know what Russia is like, and it is close to western Europe as well.
England knows what it is like to take on an enemy with superior numbers (World War II) and refuse to give in no matter what. I think it is referred to as "British Resolve."
Thanks, yep, spot on.
Another British trait, that stands us (the British) in good stead during times of war, is the "Stiff upper lip":
To have a 'stiff upper lip' is to display fortitude and stoicism in the face of adversity, and not to show emotion. The phrase has traditionally been used to describe an attribute of British people in remaining resolute and unemotional when faced with adversity e.g. a sign of fear is trembling of the upper lip, hence the saying "keep a stiff upper lip".
Arthur, you've taken me on into my history class. I tried testing 'trembling' the upper lip, found it would give me an ear-ache. But how come you Brits fought the 'enemy' 'n the air, under the sea, and on the land, under late Prime Minister, Wiston Churchill? Thanks.
In your comparisons what are you trying to say?
Ukraine is like Ireland?
Russia is playing the role of the UK?
What is this nonsensical bringing up of Alaska?
Russia has nukes.
Russia has stated Crimea IS Russia.
Invade Crimea, get nuked.
Very simple.... I don't care about morals or justice, that crap doesn't fly with me, it's BS.
We invaded Iraq on false pretenses, we took out Libya on false pretenses... They didn't have nukes.
The Russians do... Making this a very stupid, very dangerous war.
I think you are a follower of the historical figure Neville Chamberlain.
His views didn't work out too well for the world.
Think about it.
Yeah, Ukraine is like Ireland to the extent that they are two nations that have been invaded, occupied and ruled by another country.
Yeah, both Russia and England, as well as Rome (Italy) two thousand years ago, the Vikings, Spanish and French historically, and Germany during the world wars have all been Empire Builders (in their time), conquering, occupying and ruling other nations (countries).
My example of Alaska is no more than an analogy of a synonym of a fictitious example; in other words, imagine what you would feel and think if Russia was invading Alaska and not Ukraine e.g. try to put your foot into their (Ukrainian) shoes.
Yeah, Russia has nukes, and so does the USA, UK, and a small elite select of other countries.
Russian threat of “invade Crimea, get nuked” is rhetoric. Although with an irrational leader like Putin, the risk is there; that doesn’t mean that he would necessarily carry out his threat – That is an unknown that has America running scared. But in time of war you do need ‘Resolve’ and to keep a “stiff upper lip” which are British traits, and from what we’ve seen over the last six months, are also Ukrainian traits. It’s America that’s showing its weakness by running scared of Putin, a weakness Putin can and is taking advantage of.
Yep, I know that you don’t care about ‘morals’ or ‘justice’ or ‘human rights’ – you’ve made that plainly clear: But I do care about ‘morals’, ‘justice’ and ‘human rights’. And I certainly don’t think we should cower down to bullies.
Well yeah, we certainly invaded Iraq on false pretences e.g. the claims of WMD; but we did overthrow a dictator, who was violating human rights on his own people, and Iraq does now have a ‘fledgling’, and perhaps fragile, democracy – But at least Iraq now has a chance of becoming a stable free democratic country.
In Libya, there was no false pretence, and we did depose a dictator who was violating human rights on his own people, and tried to help them set up their own fledgling democracy; albeit that hasn’t been as successful.
And FYI Russia did most certainly invade Ukraine on false pretences; specifically claiming that their ‘Special Operations’ (as Putin calls it) was to cleanse Ukraine of the neo-Nazi government; which is all BS (lies) by Putin to his people and the world.
And as Readmikenow says above, you do seem to be following the historical figure of Neville Chamberlain:
Neville Chamberlain was the UK Conservative Government Prime Minister 1937 to 1940. He is best known for his appeasement to Adolf Hitler, allowing Hitler in 1938 to invade Czechoslovakia unopposed; it was only a year later, when Adolf Hitler invaded Poland that Neville Chamberlain finally stood his ground and declared war on Germany – But even then Neville Chamberlain didn’t have the resolve to fight Germany, hence why Winston Churchill took over power and become Britain’s wartime leader.
Winston Churchill’s famous speech in June 1940, after taking over from Neville Chamberlain as the UK’s Government Prime Minster was:-
“Never Surrender”
“We shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air. We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing-grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender!”
That is the kind of ‘fighting spirt’ that wins wars; not cowering in the face of a big bully, in fear that he may get out the ‘big guns’ (nukes).
Have you ever been in combat, have you ever seen a war torn country during war?
Or is this just some well learned history for you?
Comfy in your little english cottage.
You talk about nuclear war as if it isn't even worth considering in the weighing of whether or not to go to war with a nation.
You talk tough... most do who usually never pay the price for their words.
Libya... now a haven for slavery, armed militia, a war torn, ravaged country... much better off now.
Iraq... now a haven for religious sects, war torn ravaged country... non-stop combat, bombings, terror for almost 30 years now.
Syria... whew... repeat most of what I said for Libya and Iraq.
Your arguments for these invasions as if they are better off for it, are absurd.
Ken,
No, I haven’t just learnt about the horrors of war from the comfy of a little English cottage; your remarks are very condescending. And no I haven’t been in combat either; but that doesn’t mean that I don’t know what horror war is – I’m likely to have a far better understanding of the horrors of war than the average American because America was not subject to its cities being bombed and destroyed during the war; most cities across Britain, including Bristol (where I live) were. Therefore both my parents and grandparents lived through those horrors:-
Bristol was bombed six time between 24th November 1940 and 11th April 1941; London was bombed almost nightly.
The first air raid of 24 November in Bristol lasted over six hours, with 148 German bombers dropping 1,540 tonnes of high explosive bombs and over 12,000 incendiary bombs down on the city, on that first night alone.
In total 89,080 buildings were destroyed during the bombing raid, of which 81,830 were houses, and a further 3,000 houses had to be demolished because of bomb damage.
I still vividly remember seeing back in the 1960s fenced off bomb sites in the city that still hadn’t been cleared for redevelopment; and to this day scares of war are still visible in the city – the most famous of all being Temple Church, adjacent the main shopping centre in the city centre, where the roof of the church had been destroyed in the bombing raids, and today just the shell of the church stands as a reminder of the horrors of war.
Of course we don’t want nuclear war - that would be horrific; but neither should we cower down to another nation because they are threatening the use of nuclear bombs: To submit to another nation because they are threating the use of nuclear bombs is a very defeatist attitude, which allows the aggressor to do what they want.
I’m not talking tough, and I do appreciate that if it goes nuclear we all pay dearly: I’m not a fighter, and I strongly believe in diplomatic solutions to avoid war; but not at any cost – there are ‘red lines’.
My great grandfather was a peaceful man who didn’t believe in war, and when WWI broke out he was a farm worker, and thus exempt from being called-up to fight; but never the less, in spite of being a peaceful man, he wanted to do his bit, and therefore he volunteered to drive the war ambulances to the front line to pick up the wounded; which he did for four years.
So even as a peaceful man, you can still do your bit for the war effort, and your country.
I am fully aware of, and know the consequences if Russia decide to use nuclear weapons, but I am prepared to face those consequences rather than cowering down to Russia’s threats. I’d much rather die fighting for our freedom and liberty than be subjected to oppression by an invading force; I guess it’s the Britishness coming out in me – the war time spirit that kept the British fighting Germany, against all odds, for the first two years of WWII e.g. in the absence of America’s help. The famous Battle of Britain being a prime example, the British fighter planes being outnumbered by Germany’s fighter planes, yet we still won that air battle – because we were fighting for our lives.
The Battle of Britain: https://youtu.be/lqllqQYFy-I
I didn’t say Libya is any better off now; but it was given a chance for a fresh start, and that hasn’t worked out as yet.
In Iraq there was religious persecution before we liberated it; you’re description is an exaggeration. It has its problems, but it is a fledgling democracy, which may fail or flourish in time.
Syria is not a repeat of Libya or Iraq in the same way; in Syria America was largely a hands-off approach, allowing Russia free range to prop up a Dictator, as a puppet of Russia; so, against the might of Russia keeping the tyrant in power, the Syrian people are still being oppressed.
I don’t understand your last sentence “Your arguments for these invasions as if they are better off for it, are absurd.” The Ukrainian people are fighting back because they are being invaded by Russia, and if we in the west stand back and allow Russia to seize Ukraine, Russia will not stop there; they will want to expand their territory further, and be a constant threat to the world. And I don’t just talk from an academic level – ever since the end of the cold war Russia has constantly tried to intimidate Britain, and undermine British society through any means possible, militarily, cyber-attacks, targeted assassinations and assassination attempts on British soil, propaganda etc.
From your comments your attitude seems to be that if Russia did invade Alaska you would capitulate to them, rather than fighting back?
What will you fight for; or do you always give in to aggression?
I do not think he is saying that at all, as Alaska is territory of the US and should be defended by the US. Ukraine is not part of the US.
From a historical perspective, can you even be sure that Germany would have invaded England had not Britain entered the war when Germany invaded Poland? Which country declared war first?
Dr.Mark, forget about the 'first'. Europeans are instinctively war mongers. And American's Biden, is copying. Bad.
Holy cow, DrMark. It will interesting to see how you do on your England/Germany path.
In 'forumese,' I think history has provided all the 'dots' needed to form a valid opinion that Nathanville's point has substance and yours doesn't.
Maybe you're simply being the contrarian, (which I certainly understand), offering a windmill, or two. ;-)
GA
My point is that Germany probably would have done the same thing, but there is no way to know. The FACT is that the UK declared war on Germany. (Secondary to their treaties, just like the first world war.) There are a lot of historians that write "what ifs" about that time. None of them agree because none of them really know.
I do not KNOW that Nathanville is incorrect in his assumption, but then again neither does he. (History books will agree with that view because we all know that history books are written by the winners of a war.) The Germans may have been happy just subjugating and murdering the people of the continent.
If that was the case, they would have never attacked the Soviet Union which had a peace agreement in place with Germany at the time.
The USSR was partly based in the European continent. How do you know that they were not Just conquering more of Europe?
"By colonizing the western parts of the Soviet Union with German settlers Hitler planned on creating a continental empire that could not be hit by blockades. Defeating the Soviet Union would have also secured German dominance in Europe and would have deprived England of its last ally on the Continent. And annihilating Bolshevism was one of Hitlers’ main goals that he had formulated in his political manifesto „Mein Kampf“ in 1925."
https://neutralhistory.com/5-reasons-wh … iet-union/
"creating a continental empire" You did notice this, right? Taking over an ally is NOT the same thing as attacking a county. In fact, if you research the timeline, Germany did not attack the UK until that country declared war on them.
Would they have done so anyway? Probably. Can you prove it?
"Taking over an ally is NOT the same thing as attacking a county"
It's not? Really? So, an ally just gives in and lets you have their country? Is that what you're saying?
If the US attacks Iraq, it is not the same thing as invading Jordan. Really. That is what I am saying,
Exactly. Specifically, Hitler, the 'Bohemian Corporal' as he was covertly known by his 'top' generals, had also other aims. One, is the 'living space' question that has been troubling his mind since the WW 1. He opined in Mainz Kampf, that Germany has not enough land for his people, and inadequate natural resources. The second point is that Hitler, was unable to understand any Social Darwinism theory, like Bolshevism.
Arthur, thank you for all these detailed narative explaination. Being a Brit and a Britolian, you've surely seen and observed what I noted well in my history class. Seriously, as a boy of 11 years, I witness the Nigerian civil war on a first-hand basis. When the Rebels got control of the first eve Nigerian Petroluem Refinery Company, just 200 yards from my compound, bombs were being dropped offensively all nights at the peak of the war. Oil tanks and pipe lines were seriously damage, and the crude flow into the river significantly affecting marine life and adjacent farmlands. I saw the refinery went up in flames. Critically, why the Federal Government of Nigeria, should also target the St. Peter's Anglican Church, Okrika, still beats my mind. The church, 50 yards from my house was heavily bombed. A year after the war I returned to Port Harcourt, my...
Well lets consider exactly what I said:
" Libya... now a haven for slavery, armed militia, a war torn, ravaged country... much better off now.
Iraq... now a haven for religious sects, war torn ravaged country... non-stop combat, bombings, terror for almost 30 years now.
Syria... whew... repeat most of what I said for Libya and Iraq.
Your arguments for these invasions as if they are better off for it, are absurd. "
You argued that Iraq had the potential to be a Democracy now... as if 30 years of horror (and counting) is OK for that potential possibility.
You argued that a dictator was taken down in Libya, but the issue here is the state of the country now, the deprecation of quality of life, the increased dangers and horrors.
Syria is a husk of a country, cities destroyed, etc. etc.
Now lets consider Ukraine.
There was a skirmish in the Donbas region, this could have been negotiated and had been negotiated, to a degree, with the Minsk Accord (or as some prefer the Minsk Agreement).
Zelensky came out in 2021 and said WE ARE TAKING CRIMEA BACK.
Why?
Why now?
The people of Crimea were living peacefully, they had nice homes, decent jobs, tourism was making a comeback, the military bases there brought in plenty of revenues for the populace... things were good.
So instead of finding a way to peace in the Donbas, and ceding Crimea to Russia... we have a potential for the destruction of civilization brewing.
This is not what I call a wise decision... I consider this a decision made by power hungry psychopaths that don't care how many people are killed.
They throw around words like freedom and liberty... justice and morality.
If Russia stayed in control of Crimea the world would continue on just fine.
Just as it had from 2014 thru to 2021... no issues, no problems.
Why didn't we save the North Koreans when we were at war?
Because the leaders we had then were not imbeciles or psychopaths, they weren't willing to throw away millions of lives and start a war with China.
But today, we are going to start WWIII over Crimea?
A place where they are living far better than at least half the world, under Russian rule?
Why?
Why did we abandon Afghanistan to the Taliban?
So we could start a war with Russia over Crimea?
I think I'd rather we stick it out in Afghanistan, the taliban are far more oppressive than the Russians, and they don't have nukes.
This war was planned, it was in the works for a long time... the BS they feed you in the media is just that, total BS. This isn't about freeing people or human rights... its about oil, gas, power, control.
Its a stupid war, run by people who don't care how many are killed.
Don't dress it up as anything else. It was unnecessary, and the people ranting for it the most, are the people either gaining the most from it, or are the furthest from the front lines.
Not that I agree with everything in this video, but it gives some information that you won't hear in the MSM worth considering:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11e0KVwd73k&t=502s
Putin's invasion was not about Crimea, even by his own account.
In February he told the Russian people his goal was to "demilitarise and de-Nazify Ukraine". His declared aim was to protect people subjected to what he called eight years of bullying and genocide by Ukraine's government. Another objective was soon added: ensuring Ukraine's neutral status . He believes that Ukrainians and Russians are one people. Or at least that's what he says. I'm more inclined to believe that he is just a mentally unbalanced, petulant little man looking for more power. He wants all Ukraine and wherever he can drive his ragged bunch of soldiers, this is way beyond Crimea. In my view. He was clearly not satisfied with just a small piece of Ukraine.
Basically a bunch of bull crap.
I don't think you addressed the Alaska issue? I mean Russia believes it has as much as Ukraine . Let'em have it?
"Let America always remember: there is a part of its territory that is Russia — Alaska,” Volodin said. “When they attempt to appropriate our assets abroad, they should be aware that we also have something to claim back.” Vyacheslav Volodin, a Russian official and close ally of President Vladimir Putin.
"The people of Crimea were living peacefully, they had nice homes, decent jobs, tourism was making a comeback, the military bases there brought in plenty of revenues for the populace... things were good."
Boy, do you assume a lot of things. It is chaos in Crimea since the russians took over. I've been there as a tourist. It was actually a nice place to visit. Lots of fun. I'm told most people now avoid it and for good reason. They just can't provide the services they did when they were an autonomous region. Do you have any idea how russia's corruption ruins everything they touch?
"How life in Crimea changed under Russian rule
The 2014 annexation provides insights about potential impact of future invasions of Ukraine
But The New York Times correspondent Neil MacFarquhar told National Public Radio (NPR) four months later that online banking, credit cards and ATMs was still out of action, because “the Ukrainian banks have been all shut down and the Russian banks aren’t operating”.
Reuters reported in November 2014 that the economic turmoil resulting from the conflict had “shuttered” businesses and “complicated life for thousands, forcing people to deal with a Kafkaesque bureaucracy to try to get their money returned”.
Two years later, the news agency reported that “residents say prices have soared, wages and pensions have stagnated and tourists have fled”.
New York Times journalist MacFarquhar told NPR back in 2014 that “a state of perpetual confusion” was being felt across all sectors of society in Crimea.
“Nobody knows what law to use in the courts,” he said. “Virtually any aspect of life you pick, people aren’t really sure what Russian law is or what to apply.”
https://www.theweek.co.uk/russia/60273/ … ssian-rule
There has been a gurella war going on in Crimea. Ukrainians there are fighting the russians daily.
"The attacks in Crimea were sabotage operations carried out by a resistance force, attacking Russian aircraft and ammunition dumps. Reznikov explained to the Washington Post: “We’re using a strategy to ruin their stocks, to ruin their depots, to ruin their headquarters, commander quarters … “It’s our answer to their meat-grinder tactics.”
Russian authorities have admitted that munitions stored at the Saki airbase on Crimea’s western Black Sea coast had exploded on August 16, 2022, but tried to downplay the event. However, satellite observation by independent companies showed that eight Russian military jets on the base had been destroyed."
https://asiatimes.com/2022/08/crimea-sa … rilla-war/
I'll take the word of reports that I have seen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzO7gIT5GYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oCLO6yRLtE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBtB13ZPOYg
Things look pretty decent to me.
Right up until Ukraine cut off their water and decided to go to war to take Crimea back.
You can have your Russian YouTube propaganda pieces.
I know people from Crimea who live in the Kortanya, where my family is from. They have relatives living in Crimea. Life it not as it is portrayed in these propaganda clips. Life under Russian rule for anyone other than ethnic Russians is extremely difficult.
If you believe these YouTube clips portray the truth, you are very gullible or maybe Russians have some type of influence in your life.
Vice News is HQed in NY and is anything but a Russian propaganda news agency. It is one of the better non-MSM news sources out there, a bit on the progressive side for my tastes.
Euronews is a European television news network, headquartered in Lyon, France. The network covers world news from a European perspective. Not exactly a Russian propaganda site.
Sorry, the truth is, Crimea was doing just fine, the world was doing just fine with Crimea as part of Russia.
There is no justification good enough in my book, for the thousands who have already died, the millions who have been displaced, and the potential for WWIII and Nuclear War that is all too real right now.
This was a stupid war, pushed by corrupt, callous, psychopathic men. Zelensky and Biden knew exactly where telling the world that they were going to take Crimea back by force would get them.
I will repeat this over and over again.
You are NOT looking for peace, you are NOT trying to negotiate peace when you state to the world you are going to take Crimea back by force.
Crimea which had been part of Russia since 2014.
This war will do the people of Crimea no good, it will only cause death and destruction, the longer it goes on, the more death, destruction and suffering will spread, most of all to the people of Ukraine, this is what Zelensky has brought them. The saber rattling "hero" who took on Russia and look what it has gotten his people.
I will state this again.
The people of Crimea are NOT doing well. They have NOT been doing well since 2014. It has been horrible there and it remains an awful place to live.
I know people with relatives who live there. It is a very difficult place to live for non-ethnic Russians. Most of them who have arrived since 2014 as many of the Tartars and Ukrainians have been forced to leave.
I bet you didn't know that since your information comes from the media and not people.
What you think of Zelensky is irrelevant. You are detached from the reality of Ukraine and the Ukrainian people as well as the people of Crimea. If my friend Sasha could speak English, and you said such things to him, you would hear many bad things about Russians and Crimea. I'm sure he would call you many names you may not understand. You simply don't know what life is like there.
I suppose you don't realize you cannot annex a part of a country and expect them simply to accept it. That is an act of war.
Russia did the annexations. Russia did the invasion. Russia is to blame for this war.
Tell that to whatever Russian is influencing your viewpoint.
The people of Crimea WERE doing well before Ukraine cut off their water, before Ukraine decided to take Crimea back by force.
You just don't get it.
Hundreds of thousands (at the minimum) will die, because Ukraine, Zelensky, Biden, wanted this war more than they wanted to find peace.
They still want war, they still do everything to provoke it, to stoke the flames higher, they don't want to discuss peace or an armistice.
This wasn't in reaction to what Russia did in 2022, this has been in the plans for many years.
You just don't know what you don't know.
You are so tied to this, personally, you are beyond looking at anything objectively or without extreme bias.
The Ukraine war is going to cost the world immeasurable suffering, across Europe most of all.
This link will show the protests going on now, will tell of some of the hardships just begining. Ignore the person presenting the facts, and just take in the facts:
https://youtu.be/El7TGjY1cQc
The Nord Stream didn't sabotage itself, that needed authorization from the highest levels, that needed the most elite military units to pull off.
Ask yourself, why do they want to make sure the people of the EU suffer?
Who benefits from Russia not being able to provide them with energy?
Who benefits from this war?
People need to ask questions and stop swallowing all the BS they are fed by a lying manipulative MSM.
"Hundreds of thousands (at the minimum) will die, because Ukraine, Zelensky, Biden, wanted this war more than they wanted to find peace."
And what of Putin? How exactly did he look for peace? It appeared that he was a missing part of the peace equation.
Again, you focus on Crimea almost exclusively. Putin's stated mission for his "special military operation" had nothing to do with Crimea. He wants control over the entire country.
Faye, your reply is aptly relevant. I've said it here before that when Zelensky, backed by the half-brained Biden, and Nato... Putin, noting the offence, would have had acted gentlemanly by bring the challenge up before the United Nation. Critically, Putin, being also power drunken invaded Crimea, and started the Russia-Ukraine war this year 2022. Two wrongs are bad.
What concerns me --- how long will we be in support of Ukraine. Will it be another Vietnam? Will it go on and on and ultimately we walk out and Russia wins anyway? Realistically Russia is a huge country, with a large population,
So will NATO just keep an ongoing war, when the results will be unfavorable?
What the MSM is likely not reporting, or reporting little of, is the fact that this is no longer just Russia.
This is Russia, Iran, China, and who knows who else.
I know I had stated weeks, probably months ago, in other threads... that China is not going to let Russia fall to NATO/America. Iran is tied to China, Iran has long had an alliance with Russia.
There is no defeating Russia in Ukraine, unless you take out Russia, in other words attack in one fashion or another Moscow itself.
So, all the suffering, all the economic hardships, all the deaths, are going to result in one of two things... Russia keeping Crimea and any other territory it now decides to claim... or the destruction of civilization.
Those are the only two outcomes I see as possible. Russia can spend the rest of its existence sending Drones, Artillery, and Missiles of all sorts from across the Russian border and into Ukraine. The only way to stop that is to take out Russia. The only way you do that is to destroy the world. This was never a situation that Ukraine was going to win.
This isn't WWII and Hitler/Germany... or any other conflict.
People who compare those scenarios ignore one major factor.
6,300+ Nukes.
Okay Ken, I'm understanding. During WW2, two nukes Small Boy and Big Boy, were dropped on the Japanese cities of Horishona and Nagasaki, by your country, America. That said, how many nukes does your country, America now possessed? Much thanks.
That doesn't factor into it.
America does not have a war going on at its southern border threatening to spill across its borders.
Therefore, America is not being suitably threatened to use any of its nukes.
Russia on the other hand, has a war going on right at its southern border, half-a-day's drive from its capitol, Moscow.
If the war pushed into Russia, even against higher-up orders, the chances of there being a nuclear weapon used goes up drastically.
Actually attack Russia, with any serious effort, and of course the chance of nuclear war goes to 100%.
Sharlee,
This is not going to be another Viet Nam. European countries as well as Australia, New Zealand and now Israel are supporting Ukraine.
Russia's military is seriously degraded.
They've lost over half of their front-line tanks. That is a huge amount. They've lost over 65,000 soldiers in 8 months of fighting. It's difficult for people to wrap their mind around this. To put this number in perspective in 13 years of fighting in Viet Nam the United States lost 55,000 soldiers. They had the flag ship of their navy destroyed. Their losses are staggering.
The US did support the Vietnam war for many many years, with our military and our taxes. I do understand we are being told the Russians are losing badly. So hopefully this war will be over quickly. The US has a history of waring and pulling out when the general public start protesting, they then just pull out, and seem to care little about what state the country is left in
I do realize the US wants to stop Russia's aggression, but at what cost? It would seem at some point the world needs to deal with Russia if they continue to be aggressive, with troops and big weapons. Just not sure NATO or the US is up to becoming involved to that extent. the EU should be stepping up at this point with boots on the ground. They have the most to lose if Russia overruns Ukraine.
It is evident the Ukrainian people will fight to the finish. That was evident from the first day of this war.
If that is true, that just makes them that much more desperate.
I have seen from sources I deem worth listening to, that leadership around Putin wants to use nukes now.
The stupidity of America pouring billions of dollars, weapons, intel and support (Special Forces) into this war is just begging the Russians to up the ante.
If this war was far away, the Russians would accept defeat.
This war is half-a-days drive from Moscow. Anyone that thinks Russia is going to accept defeat is delusional. It will never happen.
There will be an armistice which allows them to hold Crimea.
Or there will be Nuclear war. Moscow will not accept defeat so close to their capital. They are not going to accept America administering justice on Russia on its terms. The Russian leadership will take their chances using a couple nukes to force America to back down first.
If you think otherwise you do not understand how the Russian leadership looks at this, or why they changed their own laws for using Nukes in 2020.
Kathryn, whose this someone to get you and fellow countrymen?
I guess a lot of forces. China is the main one, I suppose. It seems like Biden and whoever is behind the Super Left is out to get us.
That would make Biden a Super Leftie. We could call him Super Leftie Biden .... or Brandon. Super Leftie Brandon.
Super Leftie Brandon is out to get us. China is his super power.
It also seems like Super Leftie Bill Gates is out to get us. Is China his super power too?
Super Leftie Soros is out to get us. I guess he is rich enough to do it all by his lonesome.
Truely said. Americans even masquarade as her enemy. Those enemies within had no sense of shame. Trump was right in pulling America out of the United Nations, when it's being Chinaism or all things China! Trump was okay to let you know NATO isn't good enough for America. But Biden and Dem Company think otherwise. Now they's trouble about to escalate. Sure, a puppet has no brain.
Super Lefties/Dem Company believe in Chinaism!
But, its not a laughing matter. I'm tired of suspecting Biden has no brain.
It's more like he does have a brain and he IS using it! He truly agrees with everything he is told to communicate. Such as, making America great again is evil.
He is also full of ego. "I am a truly great president, full of many great accomplishments and talents. I am also full of luck as I get to communicate the most wonderful things to the American people!!!
The Green New Deal will bring about Utopia in so many ways, culturally, economically and environmentally! The economy is fine and can only improve. If gas is a little pricey these days, it's all Russia's fault. We are helping Ukraine win a war which will end any day now with our help/weapons. Our relationship with The Middle East is in good shape because I am getting along with the leaders of Iran, Israel, Palestine AND Saudi Arabia. I did a great job in closing out Afghanistan so quickly. I will go down in history for that one. The border situation is actually allowing wonderful people through who will eventually become democratic voters. They would never bring in drugs or crime.
Everyone sees me as a kind hearted, savvy and verbally clever president, the likes of which has never been seen before. Of course, I know I make a few mistakes now and then, and that makes me also quite full of humility."
But we know what he and his brain are truly full of.
(And I don't think its fluff or confusion.)
Peace out, from here in the states, Mr M.
Kathryn, with all these superficial assumptions, it confirmed that joe biden still a puppet! A stooge can't think. He/she acts on what's being told. I doubt it if you're not in the known. A clown seem better. He use his brain in a way that seems smart to him but making you think his a fool to lol!
I hold him accountable. He's knows what he is doing. Those who like him also know. They hate America.
Yes, I agree. Like any other American President or leader anywhere, the buck rest on his desk.
I have the same view and have from the first day. Putin will not walk away. He will use every weapon he has including bio-weapons and nukes. If he runs out of troops he will use heavy weapons.
And I don't think Republicans will be on board with depleting our own stockpile of weapons. Not sure about NATO, they don't really seem to stomach wars.
How do you know he has any of these weapons to even use? His country is in a shambles as is his military. Why are people in our own country attempting to portray him as such a threat? This is pure scaremongering. I share the belief with the blood red citizens around me that Mr Putin should be eradicated ASAP. My God America, buck up and be the leader of the world. If we don't do it someone else will. Do you really want that to be Russia or China?
Your lack of comprehension as to what Russia is capable of is, quite simply, terribly telling.
I don't buy into fear. I'm more of the view that we meet aggression with aggression especially after diplomacy has failed. It takes two to tango and Putin never came to the table with an earnest, honest effort to find peace. I would rather see our country lead the world instead of be turntails. I'm more conservative in my views in this area. Which is to fight when necessary. That being said, I do believe in preventing a war if it is preventable but in this situation it clearly was not. It is time for America to stand up and put these aggressive leaders in their place before their influence is felt even more significantly around the world.
It seems that you and some others on this forum who seem to generally lean conservative are definitely more liberal on this issue.
'I'm more of the view that we meet agression with agression'. Critically, yes if these were in the era in which America alone possessed the nuke bomb. And now Europe and all her ally has either a more deadly small boy or big boy. But you also talk of peace and aggression. Where's the equation leading to? The thing is that Putin will come to peace when Zelensky gives up on Crimea.
I think Mr Ken has you believing this is all about Crimea when it is clearly not. One only has to listen to his speeches leading up to the invasion. In his own words he was in his committed to claiming the entire nation of Ukraine. And who knows where else after that. Do you really believe that even if Zelensky offered Crimea on a silver platter that Putin would stop there? That's a fool's bet.
It's a long past time to put him in his place.
It's not a fools game. If he says it, we should believe him.
Then, watch his next move. If he knocks one over, deal with it then.
Whatever Mr. Ken wrote, I've cross-check and re-ckeck it. The trouble with Crimea is that Russia gave it out on a plate of gold to Ukraine. And its like a trojan horse gift! But with a sublime contrast Nevertheless, Russia has a big and greedy eye to take back what she gave out and more before any Western nation infiltrate Crimean and any other Russia-block satelite states with Americanism. So, I don't get my head lost completely with Ken. Seriously, I'm a graduate of history, and an hirtorian. And the basic of all these should be at my finger tip. World affair is also my focus. But this is more than history. It's history, politics, and military being mingled. Ken was very addicted to the later. Thanks.
I don't think Putin even considered coming to the table to talk about peace. He was not interested in peace, he was hell-bent on taking something back, Ukriane.
I think Putin's war is the act of a desperate man who actually for two reasons. One, he thinks there is an existential threat to Russia because of a possible NATO expansion, in regard to letting Ukraine join, as well as many other countries in his backyard hoping to join. Two, he certainly has made it clear he feels historical that Ukraine and Crimea belong to Russia, and that the actual people of these countries are Russians.
It would seem his motives are irrational on every level. His own people may find his reasoning irrational, which could even lead to Putin’s being overthrown by, for example, a military coup.
In a way, his emotional attachment to these kinds of historical claims and his feeling the collapse of the Soviet Union was such a huge humiliation, he feels he must be an avenger.
This would be a war in that one could not look for peace, just due to why Putin started it. He will fight to the end, as will the people of Ukraine. I just think we lost our footing by not really being aggressive when Putin was marching troops to the border. We could have tried what Kennedy did in the Cuban crisis. We could have threatened with a big stick.
True crushing sanctions would have gone into effect immediately. The world needed to pull together and slam Russia with Sanctions.
I think Putin will fight on, and deplete US/NATO weaponry until we have no choice but to stop sending weapons. Plus he will just increase bombing and use bigger more damaging types of weapons.
I guess the US might consider sending in troops, but that will act as a killer to whatever party sits in that White House. This was a war that at all costs should have been avoided by the US.
Many citizens don't consider warring with Russia a good idea.
- of course, Putin wants peace ... and he said so. Peace is advantageous to him too.
Thank you for sharing your view. I am very much skeptical if Putting will settle for anything but taking Ukraine. He has shared he feels Ukraine historically belongs to Russia. I will say I hope you are right, and that Putin will settle for peace and go home.
Don't buy into the West's demonization of Putin.
If Ukraine had remained a Pro-Russian government, there would have been no invasion, Putin wanted Ukraine to remain like Belarus, within the sphere of Russia's influence and part of Russia's trade partnership.
For twenty years, efforts to "Westernize" Ukraine were made, billions were spent, Biden's son was over there working for the largest gas company, Non-Profits, CIA, the works... everything was done to topple the government from within and install a pro-Western regime.
Ukraine was ripe for this because there is a strong divide within the country, it is almost evenly split between Russian speaking pro-Russian provinces, and those that despise Russia and are anti-Russian in the Western half of the nation.
https://www.rt.com/russia/558637-severo … t-attempt/
2004 Orange Revolution Map
2010 Voting Map
You can clearly see the Divide within Ukraine, these divides are historic, multi-generational.
This article was from Forbes in 2014:
Russia will always have Crimea, and the rest of us need to accept it. Russia’s handover of Crimea to Ukraine in 1954 was a symbolic gesture precisely because Moscow could not fathom a scenario in which Moscow and Kiev would be at odds. Ukraine is the birthplace of Russian civilization, and together the countries formed the core of the USSR. Needless to say, as the home of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, (to say nothing of a large ethnic Russian population), Moscow cannot tolerate a situation in which an unfavorable government in Kiev attempts to deny Crimean access to Moscow. In Russia’s view, Crimea is rightfully theirs, and is part of Ukraine only for a generosity that was misplaced in hindsight. Russia’s geopolitical and historic interests are straightforward. While Russia’s invasion is an obvious violation of international law, to the extent that any foreign invasion and occupation bears legitimacy, this one does.
Moscow made no hesitation in sending troops into Crimea. They will go unchallenged by Ukraine’s inferior military, and by the West. (President Obama’s threat of “there will be costs,” taken in light of his lack of action against Syrian chemical warfare, is deafening in its emptiness). Should there be a western-leaning Ukraine going forward, it will not include Crimea. The U.S. and Western allies should concede this from the start, and perhaps other of Ukraine’s 24 oblasts too. Crimea and its environs have little strategic value to the West, beyond the opportunity of denying them to Russia. But Russia holds all the leverage because they have the most at stake, and are the only ones willing to commit troops on the ground. Let Moscow annex these lands.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jayhallen/ … 3adbdcbb7b
Trust me when I say this war IS about Crimea. It didn't start until Zelensky pounded on his war drum in 2021 that he was going to take Crimea back by force, he passed it into Ukraine law that he would do so, all with the backing of the Biden Administration when Biden stated he would support Ukraine 100% in its efforts and never accept Crimea as Russian.
I can't stress enough, that it was Zelensky and Biden starting this war right then, with those acts.
The reality is this war WILL NOT END with Crimea going back to Ukraine, so long as there is a Russia to fight for it.
We absolutely will, the Biden Administration is waiting for the elections to be over.
THe 101st Airborne is already sitting on the Ukrainian border waiting to enter into the war.
Our best Special Forces units have already been deployed there for months.
Biden's goal was always to escalate this war, to always invade Russia, to always bring about WWIII.
I have been stressing this as well for a long time.
We have never had a worse President... we have never had one that set out to get America into a war that could end the world... since WWII and the Nuclear Arms Race every President has worked overtime to avoid it.
Biden works overtime to ensure we have it, its as if he wants the world to end in Nuclear destruction, the man keeps talking about it as if its a certainty.
That should worry a lot of people.
Biden was sure Russia would invade Ukraine (they had no choice, Ukraine had bombed the Donbas region with heavy artillery for 5 days breaking the Minsk agreements before Russia chose to invade).
Biden was sure that the Nord Stream would be shut down (https://www.newsweek.com/video-biden-sa … ak-1747005 )
And now Biden is sure we will have Nuclear War. When a President as off-his-rocker as this one starts telling you its going to happen, be afraid. He knows things you do not. He just makes the mistakes of telling them out loud.
Many countries have Bioweapons, including Russia. Russia was expected to have supplied Syria with such weapons.
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/cbwprolif
Not sure how some at this point are doubting Russia has a large arsenal of weapons, including nuclear and Bioweapons.
I don't share your thought about America stepping up and saving the world. Europe needs to step up and stop Putin.
We need not borrow a war... It is very clear if Putin became a threat to the US Nuclear we would use nuclear weapons.
To be honest, I don't feel it's scaremongering to point out the scenario Putin will not walk away, and that he would if need be use any and all weapons he has to beat Ukraine. I have no doubt he would and will if need be.
I don't have any fear for the US in regard to Putin. He well knows we would use Nuclear weapons if he threatened or used a nuke to attack
the US. It will be up to France or the UK to deal with Putin if he uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine. They would need to make the decision to use nuclear weapons to defend their continent. It certainly would, and should be Europe's decision if Nuclear weapons would be used to take out Russia. They would be the ones that would need to"buck up.".
I do not see us nuking any nation unless they have directly attacked the US.
In reality I share the same opinion as those around me that America first means (or really should mean) we're the leader not the follower. Not the ones who capitulate but the ones who set the standard. We rule The roost. We are the leaders of the Free world. I don't accept anything less. A bully is never talked down. You knock him on his a$$. That's how we do things where I'm from. I know a lot of y'all are from more liberal areas. It doesn't fly with me. This is about showing strength, domination and power. It's sickening to think that we would roll over and let Putin do what he wants.
Sharllee01, I can agree with you that America, under Biden, shouldn't concerned herself much with the ongoing Russia-Kraine war. It's a European war. America, should maintain her traditional state of neutrality. Otherwise, she's directly attacking Russia. Critically, this is a European war. London, Paris, and Berlin can take care of the situation. If America was directly attack as in WW2, Congress should neither declare war or not. Critically again, Congress, has not approved Biden in this war. Shame. Oddly, Europeans had a trait of war mongering. And they're at it again as I pin-point in one of my latest article. The other big three London, Paris, and China should intervene directly and brought Putin to the round table. Seriously, November, is approaching. Americns must tell Biden to his face!
True enough, Congress did pass an aid package, but Biden also takes funds from one place or another and shuffles it instead to Ukraine.
Neither Russia nor America declared war, but without America's funding, arming and aiding Ukraine in fighting this non-war, it would already be over.
Europeans would have their oil and gas, food wouldn't be so scarce this coming winter, and the possibility of nuclear disaster would not be hanging over our collective heads.
All NATO/Biden had to do was negotiate an armistice or peace instead of forcing the issue with Russia and escalating the fighting every chance they got.
Since 2014 Crimea has been part of Russia... why all of a sudden did we have to start WWIII over it?
'Since 2014 Crimean has been part of Russia... ' Interesting Crimea with an interestingly history. Having evolved from the medieval times to the present, she's now the focus of world history. Lately, I've been studying and researching into it's political turmoil. Having transisted out of certain ethnic groups and rulers, and that Russia finally annext her is not in question. Yes, 2014 is the decision day the die was cast that Crimea belongs to Russia. Oddly, Biden is just fostering and formenting the enbers of WW2, that will usher all humanity to the great beyond. That said, I don't think they should be a WW3 that's being speculate, but that can't be rule out. Let Americans tell Biden to stop his nonsenses to his face.
It's not just Putin, if anything Putin is the rational one holding back the hounds of war that want to use nukes, now.
The more America pushes Russia, the more certain is Russia's use of nuclear weapons. The closer they feel to defeat, the more likely nuclear weapons will be used. This war is insane, but then, look around, our current leadership in America seems to be trending everything towards the insane these days.
In my view, Putin will not walk away, he will use all weapons to beat Ukraine.
Ken, I feel if we get a Republican president, that follows the American fists agenda, the US would take another path. I don't think Americans will buy into a war with Russia over the battle that s going on in Ukraine. This may have been a Democrat plan, but do you feel the Republicans would join in such a scam?
Putin well knows we would use Nuclear weapons if he threatened or used a nuke to attack the US. Shoukld it not be France or the UK to deal with Putin if he uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine? They would need to make the decision to use nuclear weapons to defend their continent.
Should that not be Europe's decision if Nuclear weapons would be used to take out Russia? I mean we are not on the same continent. I do realize we are presently in NATO. I agreed with Trump, we should have pulled out of NATO.
Over time NATO has become obsolete at this point.
Where can Russia walk away too?
This war is half-a-day's drive from Moscow.
It's impossible for Putin and the Russian leadership to back down.
Crimea is Russia, just like any other part of Russia. It has been this way since 2014. The only way this is changed is by defeating Russia in Russia.
This isn't about right or wrong, this is about the reality of the situation, how it is viewed by Russian leadership, that Crimea is considered critical, vital to Russia's interests, etc. etc.
Any response to a nuclear weapon being used in Ukraine simply dooms human civilization to its death. Whatever post-apocalyptic movie you like, Mad Max and The Road being the two probably closest to what the aftermath world would look like.
It would become a survival of the strongest, deadliest, most well armed and well prepared world.
Global trade would collapse totally, Europe particularly would be devastated, nothing resembling civil society would survive there.
The places that would survive and thrive the best are probably the 3rd world nations that are the furthest away from Europe and not reliant on global trade for much of anything.
America and China, which are so dependent of global trade for their wealth and survival would ensue in a war for global dominance, to finish off the collapse of civilization and global trade.
All these things are coming to pass now... you can see the breaks occurring the tensions rising between China and America to almost warlike stances, the energy and food crisis Europe will face this winter because of the EU's sanction policies and efforts against Russia.
The sanctions will harm the people of EU as much as they harm Russia, perhaps more. The people in those nations are already protesting in France, Germany, etc. In a couple months, when they begin freezing and starving, the riots will begin to get out of control.
This is all brought on by Biden supporting Zelensky in his efforts to try and retake Crimea, rather than finding a resolution, a peace agreement, and saving the world from WWIII.
Sometimes you have to take the road of least evil. Biden and Zelensky did not do that, they allowed greed, avarice, ego, and idiocy rule their decision making. They still are... Zelensky even now rattles the saber of war promising to take Crimea back no matter the cost.
It seems as though NATO is the only thing keeping Putin in check. Honestly I just wish he would do some tiny thing to trigger a NATO response and we could get rid of him for once and for all.
Again, this was started by Russia invading a sovereign nation.
Ukraine is defending itself from an aggressor.
Ukraine is taking back its territory that was taken by force by Russia.
Ukraine is defending its homeland.
This is the right of any sovereign nation.
These are facts.
Your problem is you DON'T have any personal ties to the area. You've not spoken with people from Crimea. This is what makes you so susceptible to Russian propaganda. You don't know the people of Ukraine or the history of their relationship to Russia. These are insights you don't have that provide proper perspective.
Did you know that in Crimea Russian officials wait at apartment buildings, subways, etc. and give mobilization papers to any male that seems to be the appropriate age? Do you have any idea how the ethnic Russians who have moved to Crimea since 2014 are given preferential treatment when it comes to work, living places, even items purchased, etc? You don't because you don't personally know anyone who is from that area. I could go on, but I don't have the time.
Fighting Russia right now is the same as fighting Nazis. Their military is that horrible. They are intentionally targeting civilians and civilian populations. This goes against international law. The International Criminal Court is currently putting together a case against Russia for committing Crimes Against Humanity.
Putin and his government are bad, bad people.
That may be so.
But they have 6,300 nukes and they are not going to accept defeat in Ukraine in the way these fools (Zelensky and Biden) think they will.
Crimea is not going back to Ukraine.
Nukes will be used before that happens.
This reality seems to either escape Zelensky and Biden... or they just don't give a damn.
Why do you keep making this solely about Crimea?? Putin clearly said he wants the entire nation.
Please, do enlighten me, give me the link that quotes him saying he wants all of Ukraine.
He has said it in his speeches particularly February 21st.
"Putin’s clearest answer yet came in a speech delivered on Monday. He believes that Ukraine is an illegitimate country that exists on land that’s historically and rightfully Russian: “Ukraine actually never had stable traditions of real statehood,” as he puts it.
“Ukraine is not just a neighboring country for us. It is an inalienable part of our own history, culture and spiritual space,” he said, per the Kremlin’s official translation.
What we now call Ukraine, he says, “was entirely created by Russia or, to be more precise, by Bolshevik Communist Russia.”
This is what he believes about the entirety of the country. He doesn't want just one little piece.
And with that logic, yes he can come and get Alaska too. I'm sure many Putin sympathizers and apologists would hand it over to him.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?518097-2/ … bas-region
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics … ebruary-22
Thank you for the quote and links.
“Ukraine is not just a neighboring country for us. It is an inalienable part of our own history, culture and spiritual space,” he said, per the Kremlin’s official translation. “Since time immemorial, the people living in the south-west of what has historically been Russian land have called themselves Russians.”
What we now call Ukraine, he says, “was entirely created by Russia or, to be more precise, by Bolshevik Communist Russia.” In this questionable narrative, a trio of early Soviet leaders — Lenin, Stalin, and Khrushchev — carved land away from Russia and several nearby nations to create a distinct and ahistorical republic called Ukraine. The creation of Ukraine and the other Soviet republics was an attempt to win the support of “the most zealous nationalists” across the Soviet Union — at the expense of the historical idea of Russia.
That says quite a bit you have taken the very worst of its meaning...
“Ukraine might have remained a sovereign state so long as it had a pro-Putin government,” says Seva Gunitsky, a political scientist at the University of Toronto who studies Russia. “Reuniting the lands formally would probably not have been at the forefront of the agenda if Putin felt he had enough political support from the Ukrainian regime.”
I agree with what is stated there in that paragraph.
Ultimately this is a border war, that we should not be involved in.
Anymore than when Pakistan wars against India.
Or when China occupies Mongolia, or has a soft takeover of Hong Kong, despite signing an agreement to honor its independence until the year 2050.
If we are the World's Police then we shouldn't have allowed China to enslave Mongolia. We shouldn't have allowed China to takeover Hong Kong. We shouldn't have given up on the people of Afghanistan.
So this isn't about being the World's Police, or doing the right, moral, honorable thing. Because in so many other parts of the world, we are not doing that.
This is about oil, energy, power. Its about generating a war and making very influential Defense Contractors a lot of money.
This is putting the world at risk, facing nuclear holocaust.
Its idiotic. Its arrogant. Its built on foreign interference and influence injecting itself into Ukraine to get these exact results. A world on the brink of war.
Ken, you're on course. And the 'idiotic' move by Biden, is very terrible.
I have been there many times and have people there. They consider themselves Irish, not British. The English have been killing them for hundreds of years. It is a case of being a Bully.
Yep Readmikenow; until now the majority of residents in Northern Ireland were British (English origin), but in 2021 that changed; for the first time in its history the majority of residents in Northern Ireland are now of Irish (Celtic) origin – Currently, as from 2021:
• 45.7% of Northern Ireland citizens are of Celtic origin (Catholic), while
• 43.48% of Northern Ireland citizens are of English origin (Protestant).
Yep, the Protestants (English origin) in Northern Ireland are very proud to be British; far more patriotic to be British than most English people e.g. the British flag flying on every street and in every house in the Protestant areas of Northern Ireland - Apart from the tourist areas of London, you'll hardly ever see the British flag flying in England. While on holiday in Durham, England earlier this year, we saw as many Ukrainian flags flying as British or English flags.
But venture to the Catholic areas of Northern Ireland (people of Celtic origin), and they hate the British; that’s why, over 20 years after the signing of the Peace Treaty in 1998 the two communities in Northern Ireland are segregated by the ‘peace walls’ – the Irish (Celtic origin) and the British (Anglo-Saxon/Norman origin).
PEACE WALLS IN BELFAST, NORTHERN IRELAND: https://youtu.be/62qX5xxYKZ0
They were never English, they were poor Scots farmers that England put there after they had killed the poor Irish farmers.
Not all Protestants are of English origin anyway.
Yep, technically you are right, especially in Northern Ireland; I was just trying to keep it simple e.g. the Scots migrated to Northern Irland under British (English) Rule. Although, as regards to southern Ireland (now the Irish Republic) that was generally occupation by the English and not the Scots.
And they never forget that. I was doing an internship in Tralee with a Dr. Pearse. His family has lived in Ireland for hundreds of years, but he was still considered an outsider since he was not of Celtic origin.
Dr. Mark, I must add, should America be responsible to stand in to be responsible to protect all of Europe? Maybe time for the EU to start spending its own money to build up the military. I for one feel NATO just does not do enough.
Yep, absolutely Dr Mark; historically, Russia is not the only bully in the world, the building of the British Empire (Including Ireland) was just as brutal.
Well yes, back in the 1920s, what you say above is exactly what did happen, and that led to civil war (war between Ireland and England) where England lost southern Ireland (now the Republic of Ireland), but managed to keep northern Ireland within the British Empire.
With the signing of the 1998 Peace (Good Friday Agreement), following 30 years of civil war in Northern Ireland ((IRA (Irish Republican Army) fighting the British (English) in Northern Ireland)) from 1968 to 1998, there is written within the Peace Treaty a mechanism that gives the people of Northern Ireland the option of leaving the UK and being re-unified with southern Ireland (Republic of Ireland) via a referendum.
The primary objective of Sinn Fein (the political wing of the IRA) is to enact that referendum right (in the Peace Treaty), their main political obstacle in doing so being the DUP (Democratic Unionist Party), DUP (who represent the people in Northern Ireland of English origin) being the political wing of the terrorist organisation that fought the IRA during the 30 years troubles from 1968 to 1998.
Protestants (English) and Catholics (Irish) in Northern Ireland: https://youtu.be/z8LCsV6JWc8
I prefer confusion to collusion. At least he can speak to an important issue without suggesting something ludicrous, like take bleach to fight Covid.
Anyone who doesn't know or realize what a miracle the Ukrainian military is pulling off against the invading russian forces, here is a good video to watch. It puts things in perspective.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZkRvCQ8gDM
I think some may be forgetting or not taking into account the will and the desire of the Ukrainian people to fight for their country. They aren't turn tails who dropped their weapons and ran. These are people who are deeply committed to maintaining their sovereignty. No one is twisting there arm to fight Russia. We couldn't stop them if we wanted to.
It does seem you love to ignore all the timelines and facts.
Crimea has been part of Russia for over six years.
No one was fighting over it.
The Donbas region was contested, but no major military efforts were made in over six years... it was the perfect time to negotiate and end the conflict.
Then Zelensky went on a world tour about taking Crimea back by force, held an assembly about doing just that, passed it into law that Ukraine was going to do just that.
That was a declaration of war. One Biden came right out the gates and said he supported 100%. Biden said he would never accept Crimea secession, that too was a declaration of war.
Everything else has been a reaction to that.
"The Donbas region was contested, but no major military efforts were made in over six years... it was the perfect time to negotiate and end the conflict."
I'm afraid if you think no major military efforts were made in six years, you think wrong. You might want to read up on that one a bit.
I think you don't answer the Alaska analogy because an honest answer would prove you wrong.
I must ask, and please do not take this in the wrong light. I simply want your opinion.
Why do you feel NATO/ Us jumped in so quickly? I realize they have made claims, I have heard them all. But, is it possible that they wanted to fight their war at the expense of Ukraine? Keeping the war far from their countries they have weakened Russia substantially, to the point Putin is threatening to use Nuclear weapons. They truely will act and subdue Russia if nuclear weapons are used, hence cutting them off at the
knees.
I mean NATO as well as the US certainly knew by supplying weapons the war would weaken Putin, even perhaps force him to use weapons of mass destruction. I don't think they thought he would walk away as a loser. So, you tell me.
Why was NATO/Us was so quick to jump to war instead of trying vigorous diplomacy? This all seems very planned, I mean Russia took months with threatening build-up at the Ukraine border. I think it is obvious if NATO/US wanted to stop Putin at the Border they could have, and they should have. Russia was waging war against a sovereign nation. Ukraine needed the world's help, not just weapons.
They claimed they would not fight a war in Ukraine due to it not being a NATO nation, yet the US is most defiantly fighting this war.
Sharlee,
To that I have to ask you, "Why does it matter?"
It is now an all-out war. I consider the fighting the Russians nothing less than fighting the Nazis during World War II. They have committed war crimes that are just as horrible. If Russia isn't stopped here, they will move on to try and capture other European countries. Maybe that is why the US and NATO are so involved. It only benefits the world if Russia is stopped. There are articles in Ukrainian media where putin has expressed his desire to rebuild the former soviet union. It is a dream of his. putin was shocked that Ukraine put up resistance.
First, thank you for responding, I realize your heart is breaking due to your homeland being at war with a man that has no soul.
Yes, it benefits the world if Putin is stopped. I feel he should have been stopped before they stepped foot in Ukraine, which I think we know could have been done if NATO/US stepped up to stop his aggression.
My concern is, should not the world have stepped up and put forth some strong diplomacy, a summit to which Putin would have been invited, and strong threats of military support been offered to deter this man? I saw no real serious diplomacy, other than a few world leaders, and NATO/US statements. I found this all too strange. Do you personally feel more importance could have been put forth in regard to world leaders meeting to attempt to stop Putin before war broke out. I mean they had several months to initiate meetings.
The UN did little --
https://unric.org/en/the-un-and-the-war … formation/
The UN did next to nothing while Putin built up troops at the border.
Simply no real push of diplomacy was used at any stage, and sanctions were late and very weak.
What matters more to me is --- We as a world community should never have let this happen.
Beyond all the diplomacy that was attempted, by many world leaders, what else could have been done to stop a man with a mission? Even all of the severe sanctions that have been put into place up to this point have taken time to come to fruition. They certainly wouldn't have been enough at the time to make Putin turn back his forces that were on the border.
You are absolutely right!
(Oh, FYI...Ukraine is not my homeland. I'm and American. Ukraine is where my father's family is from, and I have relatives and many friends who live there.)
Everything you stated is correct.
Like an old saying goes, "When you are in the air, does it really matter why you jumped out of the airplane? Now is the time to focus on landing."
So, what mistakes happened in the past don't really matter. We need to focus on finding a way to end this war.
Sharlee01, thank you 'diplmacy' is the answer. I'm re-reading your thread and all its posts and replies...and I've hit on that why Putin, didn't handle the challenge diplomatically, when he knows that the US and NATO are bent on declaring war. I wars told Putin summon the EU and they ignored him.
Mike, I'm going to drop it because I know you are close to the situation.
It's not personal to me.
For four years there was no escalation during Trump, now Ukraine is in a war it can't get out of even if it wanted to.
America/Biden will never allow compromise, the American forces there now will continue to attack Russian targets whether Ukraine wants peace or not.
We have thousands of Americans in Ukraine fighting this war, and it's American intelligence and American satellites and American money and American weapons fighting this war... But it is Ukraine paying the price for it.
"Mike, I'm going to drop it because I know you are close to the situation.
It's not personal to me."
Fair enough. I have many close ties and a long history with Ukraine.
"We have thousands of Americans in Ukraine fighting this war, and it's American intelligence and American satellites and American money and American weapons fighting this war... But it is Ukraine paying the price for it."
You are absolutely right. However, to be fair, there are thousands of people from around the world that went to fight for Ukraine. Eastern European countries, Western European countries, soldiers from Australia, New Zealand as well as South America and more. They are called the "Foreign Corps." and they number in the tens of thousands of experienced and trained soldiers.
I agree Ukraine is paying the price, but what is their other option? The history with Russia goes deep. I think I mentioned on a forum before there is a saying in Ukraine, "I'd rather die a free wolf than live as a Russian pet." I can tell you from the people I've spoken with in Ukraine, most of the have accepted the fact they could die any day. The Ukrainians will fight down to the last man, woman and child to defend their land. It is not just a saying. They are determined to continue until Ukraine is free no matter what it takes. It is actually inspiring.
In my opinion Ukraine is led by a lunatic determined to destroy his nation, if not the world.
Zelensky this weekend was calling for nuclear strikes in Russia, asking NATO to make the first strike.
I cannot support this madman, as I have repeatedly said, he started this war in 2021 when he made it Ukrainian law/policy to take Crimea back by force.
I wish there were leaders in control wanting to find peace, not those we have now that keep pushing to escalate it.
I know.
Dear Putin,
Please, please do not bomb ... anybody, anywhere!
Yes Ukraine, the Nato countries and the US might deserve it. Yes, they have been disrespectful of your place in the world and in history.
No, they do not understand your need for survival as a country and a nation. No, they do not understand that you are actually in a vulnerable position economically and physically. That even though you are a large country, you only have a small area where people live and thrive. They do not understand your vulnerable position of being bordered by NATO nations.
I hope you can forgive the US for not staying neutral, which they should have done. After all, what have you done to us? You put up with Trump for one thing, We were thankful for that tolerance and the peace your friendship brought during that time. Of course, the US, The world and YOU will benefit from refraining from using nuclear or chemical defense tactics.
Thank you, for your consideration.
"Ukraine, the Nato countries and the US might deserve it."
You really need to take some time and educate yourself on this topic. It is obvious there is much you don't know about Russia, their history, or how they have treated Ukrainians.
Read about Holodomor. I don't think you know about it.
"The Ukrainian Genocide"
In 1932 and 1933, millions of Ukrainians were killed in the Holodomor, a man-made famine engineered by the Soviet government of Joseph Stalin. The primary victims of the Holodomor (literally "death inflicted by starvation") were rural farmers and villagers, who made up roughly 80 percent of Ukraine's population in the 1930s. While it is impossible to determine the precise number of victims of the Ukrainian genocide, most estimates by scholars range from roughly 3.5 million to 7 million (with some estimates going higher). The most detailed demographic studies estimate the death toll at 3.9 million. Historians agree that, as with other genocides, the precise number will never be known.
Through a study of the Holodomor (which has been referred to as the Great Famine), students can come to understand that the Holodomor is an example of how prejudice and a desire to dominate and control a particular ethnic group can lead to the misuse of power, mass oppression, and genocide."
https://cla.umn.edu/chgs/holocaust-geno … /holodomor
... and after the worst of abominable nuclear or chemical disaster strikes, you will still be right.
Let not your heart be troubled.
I suggest you do some research into something called, "The Doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction."
China and Russia togeter. China does not want Nuclear fall-out.
Russia launches biggest air strikes since start of Ukraine war
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ru … 022-10-08/
"President Vladimir Putin said he had ordered "massive" long range strikes after an attack on the bridge linking Russia to the Crimean peninsula over the weekend, and threatened more strikes in the future if Ukraine hits Russian territory."
As I have been trying to point out. Crimea is Russia.
There is no separating them.
Crimea will not be "given" back to Ukraine unless Russia is completely defeated. That would require a nuclear war... only the insane would even entertain war with Russia.
The longer Ukraine rails against Russia, as pawns to (the West's) Biden's desire to wage war on Russia, the more the people of Ukraine will suffer, the more Ukraine will be turned into a wasteland.
It is sad to see this going on. They will end up no better than Iraq, Syria or anywhere else we have interfered in the last 30 years.
Many, many Ukrainians disagree with you.
President Zelensky is loved and admired by most of the population. He has been a truly inspiring leader.
Did you take the time to read about the Budapest Memorandum? The US and UK committed themselves to protecting Ukraine from attacks with nuclear weapons, because Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons.
Maybe it is the leaders of the US and UK who agreed to the Budapest Memorandum you believe are madmen. President Zelensky is only mentioning what was previously agreed to by other countries.
I still think you are confused. The war started when Russia invaded a sovereign nation with for no reason.
There is a lesson to be learned there, regarding making a deal with the US especially when it comes to disarming yourself.
Zelensky is not someone I admire or think positively about. I don't believe you should rattle the saber of war, and then beg the rest of the world to come to your rescue.
For me it comes down to his declaration to take Crimea back by force, when you start talking sh__ don't be surprised when someone calls you on it, whether that be an individual or a nation.
"I don't believe you should rattle the saber of war, and then beg the rest of the world to come to your rescue."
The world is not rescuing Ukraine. They are acting in their own self-interest. The Ukrainian military has significantly degraded the Russian military. They have put on display for the world the many flaws of the Russian military.
This information is vital for NATO and the US. A seriously degraded Russian military is much less of a threat to Europe and the US.
"For me it comes down to his declaration to take Crimea back by force"
So? Again, there was no invasion of Russia. The invasion was of Ukraine. If President Zelensky did not act strongly and make such bold statements, who knows what else the Russians may have taken from Ukraine.
You don't know Russians. They don't respect looking weak. When you try to negotiate with them after they have taken something from you, they will laugh. Brute force is the ONLY thing they know or respect. Trust me, it was President Zelensky's back that was against the wall.
Putin had a reason. Not a good one, but one. More than one.
Why do you not consider his view?
Here is some non-MSM opinion/news worth considering on this matter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUq4zd5xjpU
First few minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct7OBxEZWTo
First few minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fqgcUwdAbQ
First few minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjEqiv40YvE
This is what is coming... this is where Biden has led us.
Would you have considered Hitler's views?
Do you have any concept of the destruction he has done to Ukraine for no reason? Have you heard the stores form the liberated towns and cities? The public executions, the rapes, the looting, the murders of Ukrainian people. The UN has recorded thousands of war crimes. Now, because Russia is losing to the Ukrainian military, he is attacking civilian targets in Ukraine.
Putin is the 21st century Hitler.
So, again, would you have considered Hitler's views? I'm sure he had some.
It is clear Putin has and continues to commit war crimes. The UN recognizes his war crimes but has not charged him as a war criminal.
"What is the punishment for war crimes UN?
By 1946, the United Nations General Assembly had confirmed these “principles of international law”, and began to create resolutions which set forth punishment for persons guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity. Today, most war crimes are now punishable in two ways: death or long-term imprisonment"
It would seem once again the UN has literally ignored the crimes Putin has committed. In my view, the UN is an old club boy's club that is a waste of money.
The U.N. is often useless and worthless, and largely is a very expensive debating society, that gets little done. Having no real resources to coerce its edicts. Most of its activities involve endless deliberations, resulting in monotonous non-binding resolutions that no one pays attention to, which took many months to deliver. The U.N. is dripping with arrogance.
In my view it doesn't appear that the United Nations is ignoring the war crimes but that it is a complex process that takes years to bring a criminal to justice unfortunately.
"The UN seems an obvious starting point. But one problem with going through the UN security council is that Russia is a permanent member. “It would be difficult to imagine that they would not attempt to exercise their veto to block something,”
Who would run such a trial? The ICC opened 20 years ago to prosecute the perpetrators of genocide and crimes against humanity. But the US, China, Russia and Ukraine are not members of the court.
The ICC’s chief prosecutor, Karim Khan, said in February he had opened a war crimes investigation in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
Another option might be a special tribunal organized by a group of countries. The Nuremberg tribunal would be a historical precedent.
Seems that international courts don't move much quicker than our own.
At this point I'm not certain that the ICC's investigation has been concluded.
https://www.npr.org/2022/04/05/10908376 … tion-bucha
You are right. There is so much history there most Americans know nothing about.
This video confirms what you say
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZkRvCQ8gDM
Putin's response to the destruction of the Crimea bridge:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs3iffgtK9M
I am inclined to agree with you and many of my articles on the subject articulated this viewpoint. I have another problem with the Americans they have always ditched their allies at the critical moment. You will remember Richard Nixon ditched General Chiang Kai Shek who was the American ally for nearly 3 decades in 1972 when he threw in the towel to Chairman Mao. The same thing happened in Vietnam when the Americans let the Saigon government go to seed in the face of North Vietnam's invasion. One cannot forget the frantic calls by General Yaya Khan who invoked the mutual defense pact with the USA in the face of Pakistan's defeat in East Pakistan. The Americans just sat on the request and the Indian army won. Similarly, they ditched the Shah of Iran at a critical moment and allowed Khomeini to take over. In other places like Iraq and Syria, they have created a wasteland. I am pretty sure the same thing is going to happen to Ukraine which is already destroyed with 8 million refugees. the only solution is the removal of Zelenskyy which will happen ultimately.
Your views are harsh.
But they are also far more objective than most Americans could give themselves.
Elon Musk's views on this are similar to my own.
https://www.thestreet.com/technology/el … ous-crisis
His twitter poll:
Ukraine-Russia Peace:
- Redo elections of annexed regions under UN supervision. Russia leaves if that is will of the people.
- Crimea formally part of Russia, as it has been since 1783 (until Khrushchev’s mistake).
- Water supply to Crimea assured.
- Ukraine remains neutral.
Did not get majority support.
Its a shame, Ukraine will be made a wasteland that makes Syria look like a utopia, before Crimea is taken from Russia.
That the West (America) refuses to accept this and pushes Zelensky to the idiotic demands he keeps making simply dooms millions more people to their deaths.
Truly sad, Ukraine was doomed the minute Biden was elected.
You are truly detached from the reality of Ukraine, Ukrainians as well as the history and relationship between Ukraine and Russia. Your comments only make this painfully obvious.
So sad.
I can honestly say that most Ukrainians would display their middle finger to these proposals. They have done so to Elon Musk. It displays a total and complete lack of understanding of the Ukraine and the Ukrainian people. I would add total ignorance of its history. From the perspective of most Ukrainians these proposals are beyond ridiculous.
I can agree on that...but not only Zelensky, but the 'half-brain' Biden, plus the leader of NATO.
"Nobody Fuc-s with Biden"
So now Biden is threatening the Saudis... And like they care?
What will Joe do, stop buying their oil? LOL, Or perhaps cancel selling them multiple billion dollars with weapons?
Biden warns there will be 'consequences' for Saudi Arabia after the oil production cut
Yes, old Joe is once again sticking his foot in his mouth --- Really Joe? So, let's all sit by and wait for the fallout due to Biden's words. He is a man of lots of words, but no ability to fix any given problem.
"President Biden warned Tuesday that Saudi Arabia would face "consequences" after OPEC+ last week announced the biggest cut in oil production since the start of the coronavirus pandemic.
Senior Democrats on Capitol Hill have condemned the decision by Saudi Arabia, the de facto leader of the oil-producing alliance, to reduce the global supply of petroleum. Higher oil prices are seen as helping Russia, the world's second-largest oil exporter, finance its war in Ukraine.
"There’s going to be some consequences for what they’ve done with Russia," Biden said of Saudi Arabia in an interview with CNN's Jake Tapper. “I’m not going to get into what I’d consider and what I have in mind. But there will be — there will be consequences.”
https://www.aol.com/news/biden-warns-co … 39870.html
Saudi Arabia is hugely dependent on U.S. defense assistance. They purchase the vast majority of their arms from the United States. The country cannot substitute defense suppliers unless it wishes to partner with Russia, Iran or China for far inferior systems which have no interoperability with their existing weaponry. I think President Biden will likely pause arms sales for a brief time for the Saudis to reconsider their position on oil. It's our leverage, why not use it?
Without the United States, they will be compromising their kingdom's defense for quite some time.
Or the Saudi's will pour billions into ensuring Democrats lose elections across the board in 2024, especially the Presidency.
In fact, I suspect there will be massive amounts of donations unlike in any election prior... and not for Biden and the democrats.
Also, I suspect the OPEC alliance and the BRICS alliance and the China-led Central Asian alliance to begin efforts to unshackle themselves from the dollar, or at the very least begin strengthening their alliances and further distancing themselves from America.
We very likely are coming to a crisis point, where it is the Western World vs. the rest of the World. The UN unity, or as close as it ever was going to get against Russia, will begin to fracture as more nations suffer in the coming months due to shortages of food, energy and collapsing economies.
I think Russia's stance against the West (America) is going to inspire and galvanize a great many nations to move away from America, to resist American influence.
I think Biden is the worst thing that ever happened to America, his coming on the tail of the Pandemic and his insistence to start a war with Russia may very well hasten America's downfall as global leader... and that fall may come amazingly quickly, in 12 months the majority of the world may turn against America, certainly Russia, China, and the nations allied to them are already there.
Yes there will be consequences... to the American financial system, to people's pocket books, we may be returning to the 1970s long lines for gas, gas rationing, etc.
Definitely, And I imagine they will slam him with a Nov surprise. I mean Ken, how long will it take for this man to be impeached? Today a few Democrats came out backing his threat, stating they hope he cuts back arms sales. Not sure if they got the memo -- the Saudis are proud, and unlike Biden won't let a threat die without a very substantial counterjab in the gut.
This man just never realizes he is thought of as a weak ineffective leader, one would think whoever is pulling his strings would try to shut him up.
Maybe the string puller is the inept weak leader?
You know what this fool has the entire civilized world messed up due to his crazy agenda. No really, if one looks at what problems he caused, affected the world. His war on oil, his Russia war, his spending war...
Does he have an agenda?
Lets see, war with Russia.
Threatening war with China.
Threatening dire consequences to Saudi Arabia... You know, the country the petrodollar aka the American dollar depends on just a bit.
Oh yeah, almost forgot, half of America is a threat to Democracy, potential terrorists... I'm sure he has something in store for them after the elections.
Biden is on one heck of a role and we haven't even reached the two year mark!
Speaking near Vail, Colorado on Wednesday afternoon (Oct 12, 2022), Biden declared the Camp Hale continental divide a national monument, and Biden shared he lost his son in Iraq. But this is just not factual...
This man is beyond confused! A clip of Biden's comments was posted on Twitter by the Washington Examiner, receiving more than 600,000 views.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98tBhyYWAHY
"The president said: "Just imagine, I mean it sincerely, I say this as a father of a man who won the Bronze Star, the conspicuous service medal, and lost his life in Iraq. Imagine the courage, the daring, and the genuine sacrifice—genuine sacrifice they all made."
https://www.newsweek.com/video-joe-bide … al-1751433
Beau Biden, the president's eldest son, did serve in Iraq with the Delaware Army National Guard from 2008-2009, where he was awarded the Bronze Star for his service.
However, Beau Biden died of brain cancer on May 30, 2015, at the Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland, rather than in Iraq.
The then-vice president's son, who also served as Delaware attorney general, was 46 when he died."
In my view, Biden is clearly suffering from dementia, and it would seem it is time that Congress deals with the issue we have a president that can not be trusted to make sound decisions.
What is Confabulation?
'The neurodegenerative processes that cause dementia have pronounced effects on a senior’s behavior, emotions and ability to think rationally. However, even as the brain incurs damage, it still struggles to make sense of the information and stimuli it receives and to work around lapses in memory and cognitive ability.
Many dementia patients rely on confabulation to fill gaps in their memories, especially when compensating for memory loss in the early stages of the disease. According to a review article published in the International Journal of Neurology and Neurotherapy, “confabulation is the creation of false memories in the absence of intentions of deception.” Although a dementia patient’s distorted recollections of memories (and even events that never happened) may seem like blatant lies to a family caregiver, the truth is that “individuals who confabulate have no recognition that the information being relayed to others is
fabricated.”
https://www.agingcare.com/articles/how- … 144204.htm
BRAIN-FREEZE OR ONCE AGAIN JUST INAPPROPRIATE AND CONFUSED?
"A day after President Joe Biden drew criticism from conservatives on social media for giving unsolicited dating advice to a young teen girl in California, the president is again in hot water for claiming the "economy is strong as hell."
The comment came during a conversation with a reporter at a Baskin Robbins in Portland, Oregon, who asked the president if he had any worry about the strength of the U.S. dollar amid rising inflation.
With a chocolate chip ice cream cone in his hand, Biden answered: "I’m not concerned about the strength of the dollar. I’m concerned about the rest of the world. Our economy is strong as hell." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llwEUH4Lnb4
He added: "Inflation is worldwide. It’s worse off than it is in the United States. So the problem is the lack of economic growth and sound policy in other countries not so much ours."
"It’s worldwide inflation. It’s consequential," Biden also said.--- Read more
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden- … m-portland
Hey Joe did ya pay more for your Choc Choc?
Baskin-Robbins Menu Prices - PriceListohttps://www.pricelisto.com › Restaurants
Item Price Change
Kid's Scoop 2.5 oz. scoop $3.6 +1.95%
Triple Scoop $7.33 +0.69%
Double Scoop $5.75 +0.52%
Maybe you better start thinking more about the fact you were hired to represent America...
AND THEN THERE WAS THIS
Creepy’ Joe Biden offers unsolicited dating advice to a young girl in an awkward photo op
President Biden raised eyebrows this week when he got a bit too close for comfort to a young woman during an event in Irvine, Calif.
After delivering remarks Friday at Irvine Valley College where he talked about his administration’s plans to reduce inflation and lower drug costs, Biden stopped for photos with a young woman, put his arm on her shoulder, and offered her some unsolicited dating advice. “Now a very important thing I told my daughters and granddaughters — no serious guys until you’re 30!” he told the unnamed woman — leaning in close.
“Ok,” she said, awkwardly laughing off the remark. “I’ll keep that in mind.”
YUCK!
Hypocrite
Noun:
1. A person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion.
Adjective
2. A person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings.
There are many prophecies in the Bible...
It could be that some of them are upon us.
For those of you who wonder why Ukrainians are fighting the Russians so hard, watch these 60 minutes episode about the murders in Bucha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8crdog2b_Bg
Biden ridiculed for spelling out ‘dot’ in website URL: ‘He will literally read any words’
President Biden faced backlash from yet another embarrassing gaffe on Monday while trying to share a website to stop fraud in his student debt handouts plan.
Biden stumbled along promoting the FTC’s website, spelling out the word "dot" while giving the URL.
He is clearly getting worse... Thinking his son die in the war in Iraq.
Democrats demanded Trump have a cognitive test and produce a report from his yearly physicals. Time for Americans to demand this man have a cognitive test, and a report of what medications he takes.
So, when will our Congress do the right thing, and remove him from office?
OH wait some did request several times Biden take a cognitive test.
More than 50 Republicans call for Biden to take cognitive test, amid Dem concerns about president's age - More Republicans are joining calls for Biden to take a cognitive test
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/more-t … idents-age
As long as we can get an IQ test on this one...
https://m.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/ … 505212268/
The analogy between Crimea and Alaska may become very relevant very soon. This is how the Russians test a country's air defense.
"Russian 'Bear' Bomber Planes Seen Near Alaska Made to Carry Heavy Payloads
Two Russian Tupolev Tu-95 "Bear" bomber planes capable of carrying heavy payloads over long distances were intercepted as they flew near Alaska on Monday, according to a joint U.S.-Canada air defense organization.
The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) said in a statement Tuesday that the Russian planes were "detected, tracked, positively identified and intercepted" while entering and operating in the Alaskan Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ). The Federal Aviation Administration defines an ADIZ as "an area of airspace over land or water in which the ready identification, location, and control of all aircraft...is required in the interest of national security."
"Two U.S. Air Force F-16 fighter aircraft intercepted the Russian aircraft which remained in international airspace and did not enter American or Canadian sovereign airspace," the release said.
Yep, and on the 29th September a Russian fighter plane fired a missile in the direction of a British fighter plane in international airspace over the Black Sea - Fortunately, the missile missed.
I always get a kick out of republicans questioning President Biden's intelligence. Seriously? After you elected Trump? And still support him?
I never witnessed Trump having signs of dementia. In my view, it is obvious that Biden is having cognitive problems, and should be removed by Congress. I have faith the American people will vote, and right the ship in regards to taking the majority, and the presidency.
I always get a kick out of a particular liberal attribute. Many seem to feel they have the right to just assume who another supports politically.
I think it's a fact that everyone has memory lapses, more often as they age, and that’s not the same as dementia. It's true as well that President Biden occasionally goes awkwardly off script, or gets testy, or mangles sentences, but he has been doing all that for decades. I'd call it a personality trait.
Attacking President Biden for his age seems like a strange way to court the baby boom and silent generations.
First, I did not attack Biden for his age, I made no mention of his age. You have once again read something into my comment that is not there. As a nurse, I can share that dementia is not a gimmie with age.
The leader of the free world needs to have all his faculties, in my view, Biden does not.
My comment or choice of the word "attack" was meant for those in the Republican party/right wing media , not for you.. that's why it was followed with the statement about courting older voters. Focusing on age-related decline is a strange way to appeal to older voters.
I'd have to say again, you take things way too personally when there is no intention whatsoever.
" never witnessed Trump having signs of dementia." It must have just been all the lies and crimes he committed. Comparatively, dementia would be a welcome change.
IF you support Russia, this is what you're supporting. An army acting like the Nazis of World War II. It is what Ukrainians are fighting to stop as well as free its people.
"Russia kept Ukrainian prisoners in open-air cages and used mock executions to extract information, witnesses tell NYT
After Russian troops retreated in eastern Ukraine, witnesses described widespread abuses.
A witness told NYT of open-air cages; another spoke of being put through a mock execution.
The reports came as the UN said Russia was responsible for many human rights abuses in Ukraine.
Ukrainians in newly recaptured parts of the country have alleged that Russian soldiers put them through horrors such as open-air cages and mock executions, The New York Times reported.
Following the retreat of President Vladimir Putin's forces in eastern Ukraine, stories of widespread abuses have filtered through. Witnesses told the NYT of multiple instances of torture, rape, mutilation and arbitrary imprisonment.
A UN investigation into human right abuses released on Tuesday found Russia responsible for the "vast majority" of human-rights violations in the war.
One police official told the NYT that the full toll of abuse may eclipse what was uncovered in Bucha — the city in the Kyiv region where, in March, more than 400 people were massacred.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ru … 35f7918f5e
Sharlee: You (and many others) have lost your judgement.
Who can save us from the Super Lefties? (... rather like the Blue Meanies.)
https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/Blue_Meanies
Back to the subject for a short moment --- This man is not able to think clearly and seems to just make it up as he goes.
President Joe Biden falsely claimed last week that he got his student debt forgiveness initiative passed by Congress.
During an on-camera discussion conducted by progressive organization NowThis News and published online on Sunday, Biden told young activists that they “probably are aware, I just signed a law” that is being challenged by Republicans." passed by a vote or two."
Last I heard his student loan forgiveness was an EO, not a law that congress pushed through. President Biden did promise to forgive $10,000 in student loan debt per borrower and wanted Congress to pass legislation to implement it. The $1.9 trillion COVID-19 relief plan. However, the bill did not include any student loan forgiveness.
It almost seemed when Biden made the statement that he truely believed what he was saying.
During another answer, the president appeared to forget the name of Roe v. Wade
"Guess what, we need the same votes we need to overrule Dobbs, to, uh, reinstate, uh, the decision that was struck down by the Court," he stumbled during a conversation about abortion.
In my view, it's time for Congress to do its job, ask Biden to retire or impeach him.
Watch the video - https://news.yahoo.com/got-passed-vote- … 33816.html
Then Nancy,
Bhah!
The next two years are going to be a real wild ride.
Time to shut off the electricity.
Biden, is obviously enjoying himself. He's taking WE THE PEOPLE for a ride. To ask him to 'resign or be thrown out of office' is certainly a child's play. Biden, isn't late Richard Nixon, (reincanated) to compile. Critically, from day one prior to the presidential election, all these cognite issues were clearly presented and it were debated upon. Yet, a scarf was tired over the face of the voting American public righteously to decide against Donald Trump! First, get Nancy Pelosi, resigmed. Then biden falls. And, why should I say that again and again? It's 10.35 pm (Nigerian time). Good night...sweet dreams.
Yes, some of us knew something was very wrong with a presidential candidate that hid out in a basement, and pretty much made a fool of himself when he did come out of that basement. Nothing has changed, and yes I think he enjoying himself. It appears he does possibly believe the stories he makes up and thinks he is doing a wonderful job. It was all about getting rid of Trump, having a shell of a man that would do anything he was told for an ice cream cone.
Karma is a horrible bitter pill... And the Dems in Washington will be made to swallow that pill without water.
In my view, Biden seemed to believe what he says.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/ex … ctive-liar
Energy experts unload on Biden after latest gas price gaffe: 'An instinctive liar'
The average price of gasoline nationwide was $2.39 a gallon on Jan. 25, 2021, roughly 109% lower than Biden claimed it was Thursday
Energy policy experts slammed President Biden after he falsely stated Thursday that the average price of gasoline was $5 a gallon when he took office in January 2021.
"Because of the actions we’ve taken, gas prices are declining," Biden remarked at an event in Syracuse, New York. "That’s adding up to real savings for families. Today, the most common price of gas in America is $3.39 — down from over $5 when I took office."
However, the average price of gasoline nationwide was $2.39 a gallon on Jan. 25, 2021, roughly 48% of what Biden claimed it was, according to the Energy Information Administration. In addition, while some estimates show that the most common price of gas is currently around $3.39 per gallon, the average pump price in the U.S. ticked up to $3.76 a gallon on Friday, AAA data showed."
So, is anyone concerned in regard to Biden's cognitive state? Does he continue to literally just say whatever comes into his mind?
Has America become a society that can look the other way, and not even ask questions about a president that does appear to be confused, and cognitively impaired?
"Has America become a society that can look the other way, and not even ask questions about a president that does appear to be confused, and cognitively impaired?"
Only if that president is not Trump. And if you are a part of the liberal MSM.
In my mind, this man is so badly confused and needs to be removed from office, retire, or impeached.
What in the hell is wrong with people that they can't see the mess this man has made of America, and the world?
Still hating on Trump - anything anyone else does is fine as Trump is gone. Unable to acknowledge a massive mistake as it could be taken to mean Trump was better, but Trump was the most evil, diabolical, worst person in the history of mankind.
So true, but many are coming around to see the man they voted for has made a historical mess, that will take a great president to walk in and clean up the mess or at least try.
Not true. Or at least not a large number. Biden was elected as a method of getting Trump out; the entire message then was to dump Trump. Not to actually accomplish anything, just get rid of Trump.
Now that Biden is making an unholy mess of the country, it must be hidden, or at least remain unspoken. To do otherwise is to acknowledge that Trump did a much better job than Biden is. An impossibility , as nothing can be worse than Trump. Not Hitler, not Genghis Khan, not Satan himself and certainly not a fine upstanding Democrat like Biden. Therefore Biden is doing very well and the country is much better off than with that evil maniac.
All it takes is liberal logic!
I think that President Biden was elected because people seek moderation. Citizens wanted a centrist candidate. I don't think most of us out here want to shove our views down anyone's throat. Rather we would like to see compromise happening in Washington. That seems increasingly like a fantasy these days. A president needs to lead for the entire country not just their own base. It has to be a give and take otherwise where will we be?
I don't think those that voted for Biden deserve blame. They were promised a moderate and got a president that is clearly not moderate or his handles are not moderate. I think when our new Congress moves in you will see a team effort to fix problems. Yes, a president needs to lead and care about all Americans.
Biden, moderate? You have to be kidding! What moderate has ever spent money the way he has? What moderate has ever opened our borders to waves illegals numbering in the millions?
But I will grant you that Biden's campaign promises (except for bringing illegals in) aren't matching his actions much. Perhaps he pulled the wool over eyes.
But whether that's true or not, I stand behind my statement that he was elected primarily to get Trump out of the White House. Simply looking at the massive effort to get new voters (successful, too) and the effort to demonize anyone even remotely connected to Trump makes that as clear as crystal. The hatred directed at Trump and anyone daring to declare support for him went beyond anything our country has ever seen. It was almost tangible, and it didn't stop at campaign rhetoric, but also came right from the people in the street, stopping to hassle the MAGA crown wherever they were found.
Exactly. Even a look at Bidens foreign policy per the war torn Israelite-Palestine country and Russia-Ukraine war doesn't depicted a moderate mind. At most, what one can say is Biden, is ego-centric.
Wilderness, I chuckled...but I'm getting it. You're a good philosopher!
How neat! Someone finally understood my sarcasm!
(Probably just means your mind is as twisted as mine is. )
Wilderness, 'Trump was better, but Trump was the most evil'...'. A positive plus a negative, positive, or negative? One one shouldn't equate evil with good. Trump, is either good or evil.
"What in the hell is wrong with people that they can't see the mess this man has made of America, and the world?" Exchange "this man" for Trump and the same question can be asked.
Well, in my opinion, w were doing very well when Trump was President. No inflation, no war, no open borders, not the crime we are seeing now, and just felt very good having a man in the White House that was a good problem solver, not a cognitively impaired man that can't be trusted to make a sentence or even stick to the script.
OH MY GOD! I CAN"T REALLY KEEP UP WITH BIDEN" CRAZY STATEMENTS --- can't they just keep him out of sight... What the hell next?
Biden says he 'spoke to' man who 'invented' insulin, A man who died before the president even was born. And he really looked crazy.
President Biden spoke about insulin to a crowd of supporters on Tuesday in Hallandale Beach, Florida. President Joe Biden told a room full of supporters in Hallandale Beach, Florida, on Tuesday that he spoke with the man who "invented" insulin, who said it was never patented because it was supposed to be available to everyone.
The president was giving a speech to gain support for the Democratic Party going into the midterms. During his speech, Biden spoke about the Inflation Reduction Act and the effect it will have for those on Social Security and Medicare.
One of those benefits is capping the cost of insulin at $35, and the reason, Biden said, is because the diabetes treatment was meant to be available for everyone.
"How many of you know somebody with diabetes, and needs insulin," Biden asked the crowd. "Do you know how much it costs to make that insulin drug for diabetes? … It was invented by a man who did not patent it because he wanted it available for everyone. I spoke to him, OK?"
However, insulin, a hormone produced in the body, was never invented but was discovered by Frederick Banting.
The late physician and scientist died at the age of 49 on Feb. 20, 1941. Biden was born on Nov. 20, 1942.
So, I say this was not just a mistake in words, this is a man that is living in another reality. He is sooooo confused. But there is more, much more, and it is all very bizarre
https://www.newsweek.com/bidens-gaffe-f … sm-1756156
Biden's Gaffe-Filled Speech Sparks Criticism
President Joe Biden delivered another speech Tuesday in which his gaffes overshadowed his message.
Campaigning in Florida to promote the successes of his administration's Inflation Reduction Act and potential Republican threats to repeal popular programs like Social Security, the 79-year-old Democrat made numerous questionable claims and missteps that quickly picked up steam on the internet and drowned out his closing arguments in the often-contentious state.
Among the errors: misstating his son's cause and place of death, mistakenly referring to Florida Representative Debbie Wasserman-Schultz as "Senator," and a claim that he had spoken with the people who invented insulin that was quickly contested by conservative commentators.
Others called him out for using similar word salad often deployed by his predecessor, Donald Trump, in explaining inflation, which he falsely claimed was among the "lowest in the world." (World Economic Forum data show that is not even close to being the case.)
"That's what I call inflation," he said. "The end of the month. What you have left. You have no money. That's inflation. What's, what do you, the things you need. Are they going up? They are. They are."
Explaining the cause of inflation, he pointed to the "war in Iraq" before correcting himself to Ukraine, saying shortly after he thought of Iraq "because that's where my son died."
While his son, Beau, served in Iraq, he died of brain cancer six years after his deployment ended. (The president noted this shortly afterward, in a line discussing the high cost of the drugs needed to treat his condition.
A more minor gaffe came early in the speech when he referred to the recent hurricane that wreaked havoc across Florida, Hurricane Ian, as "Hurricane Ivan," the 2004 storm that caused significant damage in the Caribbean and upon making landfall in Alabama.
One contested claim, however, was plausible. Discussing legislation he'd worked on to cap the co-pay cost of insulin at $35 in his federal relief package, Biden noted that its inventors—James Collip and Charles Best—initially sold the patent to the University of Toronto for $1 because they wanted everyone to be able to access it.
The catch, however, was that Collip died in 1948 and Best in 1978, five years after Biden was elected to the U.S. Senate.
The speech came one day after a viral video in which Biden said during a campaign stop in Pennsylvania that the U.S. has "54 states" instead of 50.
Youtube --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfqfmQxSFHU
"I spent more time with Xi Jinping of China than any world leader has. When I was vice president and when I was out of the office for four years and I was a professor, and now president," Biden said. https://nypost.com/2022/11/04/biden-say … g-classes/
Confused or true? I say confused about this one. Hopefully? LOL
Can't keep up with the mistruth, Biden is knee-deep in mistruths. So, I will let WAPO and CNN do the job of keeping track. The fact can really be a pain in the butt...
Fact check: Biden’s midterms message includes false and misleading claims
Source: CNN
Washington --- "President Joe Biden has been back on the campaign trail, traveling in October and early November to deliver his pitch for electing Democrats in the midterm elections on Tuesday.
Biden’s pitch has included claims that are false, misleading or lacking important context. (As always, we take no position on the accuracy of his subjective arguments.) Here is a fact-check look at nine of his recent statements"
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/05/politics … index.html
WAPO -- Analysis | A Bottomless Pinocchio for Biden — and other recent gaffes
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … nt-gaffes/
I can't say I have ever witnessed so many out-and-out lies from a President while campaigning. I mean Joe must know the power of the Fact-checkers, and just not care.
"say it enough and they will believe it"
Joe (presumably) believes his lies - Trump still (presumably) believes the election was "stolen".
The only real difference is that the Trump haters of the country believe that Joe always tells the truth and that Trump always lies. Unwilling to actually question their beloved leader, they will never comprehend the truth - both Presidents lied. Trump a few big ones, Biden a constant stream of little ones.
I have the feeling Biden does believe what he says. It does appear, Trump believes the election was fixed. The difference Biden is clearly making up stories, and even stats on the economy. he is confused, Trump is not confused. He either believes the election was stolen or he is using a lie to keep his base in his country.
Yes, I think many did buy into Bidens lies, until now, the fact-checkers are hot on his trail. They have abandoned old Joe, and are picking apart every word he says. And they don't need to do much work to prove his mistruths, I mean lately, he has come up with some whoppers.
I think Americans got Joe's number, at this point.
I feel tomorrow will be telling about what Americans are thinking and feeling about Biden, and the Democrats as a whole.
It is very obvious at this point that Biden is a confused man. He seems to be getting worse, he continually makes up long stories and seems to believe what he is sharing.
"Biden skewered for ‘ridiculous tall tale’ about giving uncle a ‘Purple Heart’: ‘Biggest serial liar elected'
Conservatives on Twitter blasted President Joe Biden for telling another "ridiculous tall tale" about himself in a speech, claiming that his uncle won a Purple Heart for his actions during World War II.
Critics slammed the claim, asserting there is no evidence it is true.
"Biden made the remarks during a town hall for U.S. veterans in Delaware on Friday. At one point during his speech, the president stated, "My dad, when I got elected vice president [in 2008], he said, ‘Joey, Uncle Frank fought in the Battle of the Bulge.’ He was not feeling very well now — not because of the Battle of the Bulge, but he said, ‘and he won the Purple Heart and he never received it. He never got it. Do you think you could help him get it? We will surprise him.’"
He continued, claiming, "So I got him the Purple Heart. He had won it in the Battle of the Bulge. And I remember he came over the house and I came out and [my father] said, ‘Present it to him, okay?’ We had the family there."
Biden concluded the story, claiming he gave the medal to his uncle despite his Frank’s humble protests.
Though the New York Post shot holes through the story in a Friday report, stating, "The known facts indicate it’s not true. Biden’s father, Joseph R. Biden Sr., died in September 2002 — more than six years before his son was elected vice president. Frank Biden, Joe Sr.’s brother, died in 1999."
The piece also noted, "Frank Biden’s tombstone does not identify him as a Purple Heart honoree, nor does his obituary. A partial registry of known Purple Heart recipients also doesn’t note anyone by that name receiving the award, though that database is not comprehensive."
The RNC Research Twitter account, which shared a clip of the statement to Twitter, debunked Biden’s speech, saying, "Joe Biden says after he was elected VP, he awarded his Uncle Frank with a Purple Heart he earned at the Battle of the Bulge. There is no evidence any of that is true — and Biden's uncle died in 1999, while Biden wasn't elected VP until 2008." https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-ske … ar-elected
Live video is available at the link
Joe Biden is not mentally fit to be president and needs to be removed from office. Or at best keep him out of the public.
Why do presidents like Biden choice to lie always? Is it because it's harder to tell the truth? The truth is that if you tell a lie, it should not necessary be a big one, or having a good memory. But should look out that all those present at the scenario are dead. While they're living, they'll rise up against you. However, if you tell the truth and you know it'll do more harm than good tell it to a close confident privately. Or rather discretely in public. A publc functionary shouldn't lie with open face, or impunity. It has even lead to war internally, or between nations.
I can only share my view. I think he has Dementia. Dementia reduces the brain’s ability for a person to interpret and at times understand what is going on around them. It also causes memory problems, which can lead to false ideas.
If someone is unaware that their memory has become poor, they may create a story or explanation in which someone or something else is blamed.
Is it very common for people with dementia to make up stories.
It is thought that persons with dementia will often make up stories to cope with memory loss. This symptom of dementia can occur at any stage. However, it is most common among older adults with mid-to-late-stage dementia and will get worse as dementia progresses.
Joe Biden has almost all of the classic signs of dementia, right down to hand gestures, such as making fists or solve like hand gestures, when he walks.
I am very shocked that the White House physician does not come forward and be honest about Biden's condition. I am also very shocked to realize Congress is not recognizing his condition, and asking him to resign.
In my view, he is not mentally healthy enough to be president. It is also clear to me, someone else is making decisions. When left to his own, he is much of the time verbally inappropriate, such as his affinity to making up flowery stories.
"I am very shocked that the White House physician does not come forward and be honest about Biden's condition. I am also very shocked to realize Congress is not recognizing his condition, and asking him to resign."
Sharlee, have you become a politician? Because there is no possible reason for you to be shocked at a personal doctor not giving up their job of tending to a very high politician by telling the truth of their mental problems. Neither is there any reason to be shocked at a Democrat congress failing to remove a Democrat President, no matter what he does.
That would tend to point to you not telling the truth about being shocked. Are you?
I am shocked in light of the continuous serious bouts of confusion Biden exhibits, and that all around him are actually not trying to hide it. I would assume they are confident that Americans don't really care.
You would not be the first to point out that Democrat congress will not and have no interest in removing Biden, no matter what he does.
But should we stop thinking and sharing what should be done with a cognitively damaged president? Should we fall in line?
I am shocked, on several counts --- with little hope that anyone else cares.
Every word you have shared is ultimately true. Yes, I should know the skinny, after witnessing the past years of all kinds of corruption being dished up in plain sight. But, I am holding on to what should be done when a president is mentally incompetent to do the job. Just can't buy into, shut up, and put up...
No, do not buy into, shut up or put up.
Mostly I was just making fun, but there is truth in what you say; we should all be concerned and should all be asking "why?".
I have come to know you well, and I do know you were sharing a bit of sarcasm. I mean if we could not laugh, would we not be crying? LOL
You can be assured I will never buy into anything that common sense does is not a factor. My entire life I have stood out and asked the questions no one wanted to hear. I would guess I will continue on the path.
I always enjoy our conversations, we share common sense, do we not?
In my part of the world, they's this saying: "Alabo ba pubu furu ke'. That is, the gas emitted by a Chief does not carry offensive odour. In other words, the Couldn't do wrong. Of course we know for sure a cheif can do wrong. We're watching and he's on guide. But let him go against this one thing: 'Omoni nime se wari bo mo wori'. That is, calling a member of his extended family a slave. Being democratically elected, the Chief is demoted instantly. In this scenario, I ask myself is Biden secure as the late Queen of England? She can do wrong many times and over, but doesn't do it. Biden no matter his mental state, is being indocrinated to destroyed the USA. God save America!
Is anyone concerned about Biden's cognitive state? Anyone ---
Biden mocked for repeating debunked Amtrak story once again: 'This is disturbing stuff'
President's factually impossible Amtrak tale repeated at least half a dozen times during his presidency
"Fox Across America" host Jimmy Failla mocked President Biden for once again repeating a story about an Amtrak employee Monday that has been long debunked by fact-checkers. On "Fox & Friends" Tuesday, Failla criticized the media for ignoring Biden's gaffes and warned that U.S. adversaries are watching as the president repeatedly tells falsehoods.
JIMMY FAILLA: This is disturbing stuff… Biden's Amtrak story, it's like Large Marge in "Pee-wee's Big Adventure." Pee-wee goes in and mentions someone who had died 12 years ago. Everybody's like, ‘"[What's] wrong with this guy?" But in this case, he is the president of the United States. And it's a shame on the other networks that they don't highlight this because you know who does pay attention to this? Maybe left-wing media doesn't, but our enemies do. People are watching our president who quits talking in the middle of a sentence because he's done… And it's only going to get worse. "
I can not believe Congress is not demanding this man take a cognitive test.
" Trump was the most evil, diabolical, worst person in the history of mankind." Well, pretty much, yes. I don't expect to admire politicians, but I do draw the line at trying to dismantle democracy.
KATHLEEN COCHRAN
I appear to have hit a nerve with the subject of my thread... Not sure what elicited your response in regard to Trump Wow! Evil, Diabolica, the worst person in the history of mankind ...
Please, Let me orient you to the subject of this thread. First The Title -- A Warning From Biden Or Just Another Confused Statement?
The comment you replied to was all about just once again Biden standing before a crowd and repeating a very untrue account of something that just never happened to him. He has been caught 6 times telling this story. A story that was fact-checked by several outlets, and found to be untrue.
This Thread has nothing to do with Trump. Perhaps you could start a thread on Trump, and the view you shared. I certainly would join in on that conversation. But, this thread offers a very current problem with the current president, and his propensity to not tell the truth, perhaps just due to confusion.
At any rate, thanks for sharing your view. Perhaps you could share your view on Biden telling this untrue story over and over. . Especially when each time he tells it, it causes a media report about it being untrue. Any thoughts?
Shar
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