Republicans Aren't Hiding the Racism Anymore

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Fayetteville Fayeposted 2 years ago
Mr. Trump's Nevada rally featured Sen. Tommy Tuberville, the former football coach and brainiac had some thoughts he wanted to share about this whole reparations business. From the AP:

“They’re not soft on crime,” Tuberville said of Democrats. “They’re pro-crime. They want crime. They want crime because they want to take over what you got. They want to control what you have. They want reparations because they think the people that do the crime are owed that.”

Wow “The people who do the crime.” You can leave the Enigma machine in the garage, you don’t need it to decode that. The dog whistles are gone, and replaced by bull horns. But if you are still unclear, the rally rolled on with Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene stepping up to amplify the theme until it was audible on the Moon.

“Biden’s 5 million illegal aliens are on the verge of replacing you, replacing your jobs, and replacing your kids in school. Coming from all over the world, they’re also replacing your culture and that’s not good for America.”

That’s called making it plain. People cheered these statements. You get what you vote for.
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe I'm just blind, but I don't see any racism at all in these quotes.
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  Fayetteville Fayeposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Mr Tuberville clearly suggested that descendants of slaves are criminals.
  And MGT's racist "great replacement" conspiracy? That's a page out of Hitler's playbook. And let's not forget Mr Trump's Coco Chow comment. against his former Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao.
  
  Gee whiz I wonder why we have so much hate and division in our country today?
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  I don't see anything about slaves. I DO see where the insinuation is that those with dark skin are more likely to commit crimes - is that true or not? Is crime rate higher in black neighborhoods or white? Is the number of criminals, per capita of the group, higher for blacks or whites?
  
  If it is true, then it simple fact and not a descent into racism. That would be like saying that a discussion of sickle cell anemia is racist because black people have the disease more than other races. Of that efforts to stop illegal border crossings is racist because most of them are Hispanic.
  
  Of course, all that is predicated on the idiot statement that those committing crimes refers to blacks and not simply criminals. He could have been saying that we must pay criminals we've locked up reparations - it would fit with the idiocy of the paragraph as a whole.
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  gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  I am Black and each morning I read Microsoft News, in the majority of cases where crime is committed in New York, the pictures are of Black people. The truth is the truth.
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  But mentioning such truths makes you a racist, or least that's where the accusations lead. The racist card is alive and well in liberal land.
  
  The biggest problem, as I see it, is that poverty breeds crime, and the poverty rate for blacks is much higher than for whites. Or for Hispanics or Asians, for that matter.
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  Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  I don't appreciate any politician of national stature making generalizations and using broad brushes to pigeon hole a group of people.
  
  Yes, poverty is an inducement to crime, but that does not make US ALL criminals, because of photos that you will find in the local rag or two.
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  Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  "I am Black and each morning I read Microsoft News, in the majority of cases where crime is committed in New York, the pictures are of Black people. The truth is the truth."
  
  Sure you are.....
  
  You are going to tell me that you would allow this Tuberville to state that all those that are descendents of slaves are inherently a criminal element? If you can't see that then I have to start asking some questions within my own mind. Since when is New York 'everywhere', so your horizons are no more than that?
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  gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Read between the lines. If one sees & reads the news, the majority of the criminals(on photos) who are committing the crimes are Black, face the reality please. Not only in New York City but in other large cities. Blacks comprise the majority of those committing the crimes.
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  Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  So much for your misinformation, let's get the truth from the horse's mouth, shall we.....
  
  Are we guilty of watching too much tee-vee?
  
  https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases … offenders.
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  abwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  No one wants to see this Grace, they are much too busy piling on, attempting to make a racist out of anyone who dares to disagree with them. It matters not if {anyone} is more than patient with the accusations and hangs in countering everything thrown their way, because they've absolutely nothing to hide!!!
  But none of that matters, because that's all they have, that's what they do, it's all they know how to do, so they pile on. (*They - the left)
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  A few questions:
  1.) New York or New York City? Very large difference between the two where 58% of New York is white compared to just 30% of New York City.
  2.) Do you know the racial breakdown of crimes committed in New York or are you just allowing the mainstream media to dictate perceptions to you?
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  gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  New York City.
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Those of us from the state of New York, know to say New York City, or if we're in state when talking about it, just The City.
  
  In the city, the vast majority of crime is committed by minority populations. The stats back that up.
  
  Statewide, the numbers are closer, with the proportions also reflecting very badly on minority populations.
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  gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Many times, the news describe the criminal as dark complected. If one sees the photos of those committing the crimes, they are Black.
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  gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  +10000000000000000000
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  abwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Me thinks the lady doth protest too much....
  There is nothing to see here.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  That's what I saw, no quotes, and seemed to read on context.
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  Fayetteville Fayeposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Mr Tuberville:s statement is quoted in my post in italics.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Yea, I see them when returning to your OP. My apology.
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  gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Hate to say this, Democrats are beyond soft on crime, he is right in stating that they are encouraging crime. The evidence is in the no bail policies & lenient prison sentences. Also there is no penalty if one shoplifts less than a $1000.00. New York City has become virtually a jungle where the criminals have FREE REIN to mug, assault, & God knows what else. Yes, he is right on many things.
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Readmikenowposted 2 years ago
"Tuberville said of Democrats"

Is this line forgotten?
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Credence2posted 2 years ago
Despite the fact that my conservative forum mates try to cover up what is quite obvious in Tuberville's statement, you can't spin away from what he actually said...
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"Sen. Tommy Tuberville, R-Ala., compared descendants of enslaved people to criminals on Saturday at a rally for former President Donald Trump, drawing intense backlash for promoting a racist narrative."
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So how many whites were the descendents of enslaved people, huh?
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  We agree, he meant what he said. His view was clear.
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  Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  It is just another pressure point as to why tribalism persists among us....
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Oh most certainly. I did not share a view of the statement. I think you might realize my thoughts on Tuberville's words. It comes down to free speech, and one's right to reject an opinion that is adverse to one's own view. In my view, it was clearly a dog whistle one could read into.
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Define "white" as opposed to "black".
  
  But beyond that, "The first major European civilization was ancient Greece. We know from both archaeological and written sources that slavery in ancient Greece was widespread. Slaves in ancient Greece could be ethnic Greeks or those bought or captured from other cultures."
  
  "Unlike the form of slavery that existed in America before the Civil War, slavery in ancient Greece was not based on skin color"
  
  "The Romans had a vast slave class that existed in all corners of the empire. Slaves came from many different cultures and were used in almost all types of occupations."
  
  "The Germanic and Celtic tribes in Northern and Central Europe also practiced slavery."
  
  "The Slavic people in this part of the continent were often taken as slaves by the Byzantine Empire."
  
  https://study.com/academy/lesson/slaver … ition.html
  
  So to answer your question, it is likely that the vast majority of Caucasians had a slave somewhere in their ancestry. Same for Asians. Same for Hispanics. Same for Blacks in Africa. Same for western "indigenous people". Can't speak for Eskimos or Australian aborigines, but pretty much every other culture in the world has practiced slavery, and the huge majority of people will have it in their ancestry somewhere. Of course, with that kind of history, the huge majority of people will have a slave owner in their ancestry somewhere, too!
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  Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Let's not get "simple" on me, Wilderness. It is clear to virtually everyone what that man meant in the comment that he made.
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  *shrug* You asked a question; I answered your question.
  
  What that idiot said didn't have anything to do with your question that I could see. Of course, it didn't make much sense no matter how it was taken; probably par for the course for those that wish to make those kinds of statements anyway. Not worthy of my time or yours to read.
  
  To be fair, I rather took your statement as a stand alone, out of any context others might have given it. But I do think it would behoove us all to recognize that we all have both slaves and slave owners in our personal history. What the white men in America did hundreds of years ago was NOT an isolated incident; to put the blame on modern caucasians for that one specific incident out of the thousands in history is foolish in the extreme and makes no more sense than the idiot making that foolish remark did.
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  Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  I am sorry that you took what appeared to be obvious to me out of context. I know that the Congressman was not referring to ancient Greeks or Romans when he insulted the African American community. So I am a criminal now, because of his rather careless use of a broad blanket?
  
  These are the kinds of confrontations that make it necessary to create a "tribe" in defense. It has to indicate that we are going to be at odds with Republicans legislators and their supporters.
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  You would be better to identify with Americans rather than a small sub group. Or even Republicans; while such people claim to have that label, the group does not accept them.
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  Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Wilderness, we already are Americans, maybe the "Americans" need to work harder to be more just and inclusive rather than otherwise.
  
  Was it not McConnell that recently implied that WE were not "real Americans",? ok.....
  
  Your brand is tarnished and I cannot accept an excuse that says that there is anything other in the container beyond what is on the label.
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  "Wilderness, we already are Americans, maybe the "Americans" need to work harder to be more just and inclusive rather than otherwise."
  
  And yet you seem to encourage "tribes" rather than a homogenous whole. Can't have it both ways!
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  Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Like I said, there is no homogeneous whole, it is just an illusion conservatives speak of all the time.
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Is that because conservatives are a homogeneous whole (or at least pretty close) while liberals are all over the map and can't get along with each other, let alone conservatives?
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  Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  I cherish diversity and differences and it is not anything that I fear. I prefer that over lockstep conformity. I will cling to my independence and do my own thinking rather than be pressured into a particular line of thought or belief.
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  You make it sound as if you approve of Muslim enclaves enforcing sharia law on everyone around. Or Hispanics having a hissy fit over a high school student flying the American flag on their pickup truck while promoting a celebration of Mexican history as an "poke in the eye" to the hated gringos. It is, after all, diversity and different.
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  Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  No, i mentioned to you that one of the conditions of appropriate assimilation is that the new resident comply with the precepts of English Common law which is the foundation of the American legal system.
  
  So, Muslims cannot enforce Sharia law here, and I don't approve of it.
  
  Why take this once in a year celebration (Cinco de Mayo) and consider it an attack on America and Apple pie? What do I say to the numb nuts in pickup trucks that boldly fly the Confederate battle flags, or "Let's go Brandon"?
  
  What makes you believe that the young Hispanics hate gringos? Another tribal type misconception?
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  The tried and true practice of accusing you of believing something to the extreme. Dude always goes there.
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  Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  I dunno, I thought that I had made certain points clear earlier in my discussions with Wilderness, apparently not.
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Doesn't matter what points you try to relay, there will be an attempt to try and paint you extreme because that's how everyone not like him is viewed.
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  IslandBitesposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Funny how most of your problems with diversity seem to be with brown diversity. Hmm.
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Probably because the various browns, yellows, etc. have a much different cultural source than the lighter skins do. Most of Europe is at least similar as a contrast.
  
  Hmm indeed.
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  Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Europe is already quite diverse, the only constant is that they are Caucasian people. Is that the common denominator that you are really pining for but can't say it?
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  IslandBitesposted 2 years agoin reply to this
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Are you trying to say that the people of Britain, France, Germany, etc. are as diverse as those in the US? Or that their culture and way of life is basically the same as those peoples in Ecuador or an African village? Do you see their culture similar to that of China or Japan?
  
  Credence, you can play the racist card forever, but the fact remains that the "brown" races, on the whole, have a much greater difference in culture (from the US) than Europeans do.
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  Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  You are not hearing me.
  
  The continent has several differing languages. Having visited many years ago, I found that everyone could speak at least two languages. The cultural differences between the countries are far greater than those between American states. If you are speaking about the countries individually, none of them represent the geographic vastness that is the United States. Russia is the only real comparison and it is hardly homogeneous.
  
  So what..
  
  If the cultures of brown people are different from your fixed Eurocentric model. I play the racist card as it is the only one left in the deck to explain your behavior and attitudes regarding this issue.
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Always. Glad I'm not the only one who is seeing this.
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  Fayetteville Fayeposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  That is feels like an overgeneralization. There is as much diversity of viewpoint in both parties. It seems to be that it is very difficult for people to view things in shades of Gray or in this case purple. The terms conservative or liberal mean different things to different people. There are clearly different factions in each party. It is tough to view the Republican party as homogeneous. Mr Trump has clearly divided it.
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Homogeneous only relative to what the liberals are. The only really big block to conservatives is religion, with varying viewpoints from atheist to far right Christian. Liberals on the other hand have a whole raft of differences in the group - all the different gay groups for instance, and just as a starter.
  
  Or so I see it.
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  It's amazing what lengths he will go to justify the clear and public racism in his own party while trying to condemn anything he believes he sees in the other.
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  GA Andersonposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Did he say that or is that someone's description of what he said?
  
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  I found it. I didn't hear him say what was claimed. He clearly identified Democrats as the 'they' of his remarks.
  
  However, his remarks were easy low-hanging fruit for those that think coded 'dog whistle' messages were his intent. The "reparations" linkage is there, but he could have been speaking of that segment of the Democrat party. The reparations folks are overt and highly visible.
  
  I think the 'stretch' could be made that his intended linkage was to that segment of the party, not slaves. I did listen to his words and as a non-advocate, (I didn't know who he was), I can see room to give him the benefit of the doubt. If I knew more, maybe I wouldn't.
  
  The parsing of his statements, (as in the OP and most links Google offered), distorts the context of the words. That's a personal foul on the passer.
  
  GA
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  IslandBitesposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  You too? SMH
  
  It is obvious with his main "they" he said Democrats.
  
  They (Democrats) want reparation because they (Democrats) think the people that do the crime are owed that. Bullshit. They (the people that do the crime) are not owed that.”
  
  Who are "the people that do the crime", the ones that Democrats think are owed reparations?
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  GA Andersonposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Hey, I wasn't defending his comments, I just parsed them as his detractors did. My feelings about them aren't relevant.
  
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  Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Tuberville contended Democrats back reparations for descendants of slavery because "they think the people who do crime are owed that.
  
  Good point, when I look at his actual comment. Yet, there is no Democrat policy to initiate reparations. The focus is more on "the people who do the crime" who don't deserve any reparations and as they are the descendents of slavery we get to identify who it is that this man is referring to.
  
  It still comes out as a racist statement.
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IslandBitesposted 2 years ago
There's always rationalization. The only racism they see is "against white".
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MariaMontgomeryposted 2 years ago
Tommy Tuberville is an embarrassment to those of us who live in Alabama. Please know, not everyone who lives here is racist, ignorant, crude, etc. When he ran for the Senate, he said not that he would have our backs, but that he would have Trump's back. People still voted for him.
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  Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  I Appreciate your clarification, but in spite of this he still gets a great deal of support, regardless?
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Credence2posted 2 years ago
I am not always sure that I have the verbatim comment as what Tuberville actually said in Nevada.

But:

"Tuberville is falsely suggesting that Democrats promote crime and that only Blacks are the perpetrators. In fact, crime has slowed in the last year and most crimes are committed by whites, according to FBI data."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … story.html
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tsmogposted 2 years ago
Just for info next is a link to Crime in the United States for 2018. It list crimes by race. It is by the FBI table 43. That is the most recent year at their site. Of course one could argue not relative to today.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/20 … s/table-43

From the Office of Justice Programs for juveniles for arrests 2020 by race

https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  So much for the FBI! The Woke crowd will have their heads no matter how informative, useful or truthful the table is. Such information is []not[/i] to be discussed, mentioned or published.
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  tsmogposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Okay . . .
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Valeantposted 2 years ago
There are more specific reports from both New York and New York City, especially since the crime rates have increased, to support Grace's claim. I've seen them, and they are there for those that want to search for them.
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  Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  I am not familiar with those reports and did I miss something?
  
  Perhaps, I am concerned about the face of crime throughout America being a face of people of color. How much of that is really true....
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  This is the 2021 report from The City:
  https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downlo … report.pdf
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  GA Andersonposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  The report's stats seem to validate GMWilliams' claims.
  
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Yup, which is why I posted it. After seeing the data, it's clear that her observations are valid.
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  gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you.
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  When faced with readily provable truths, sometimes you have to accept them. Many in either party won't currently.
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  gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Credence, wake up & smell the coffee. Many of crimes are committed by Blacks, look at the larger cities such as Detroit, Chicago a/k/a Chiraq, & New York. The Democratic Party is losing, losing- their crime policies are bordering on coddling the criminals. This is beyond ridiculous.
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  Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Your claims are valid for places like New York City, and probably true for Chicago, Detroit. The overwhelming number of homicides associated with African Americans are in the inner cities and related to gang activity. I can't excuse that but when I look at homicides combined with other measures of crime across the nation, not just in inner city urban areas, it seems unfair to me to make the national icon of crime a black male.
  
  For you and Valeant:
  
  I do not deny the veracity of the statistics regarding New York City, which I never cared for as part of my universe. So, an exception here and there does not make it the rule in a broad sense.
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  gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  I saw the report & I also read Microsoft news each day. The crime report on Microsoft News is beyond startling. On the majority of crime cases, the person is Black- the photos are evidence. One can't deny what is occurring. NYC transit crime has risen 41.4%. I am deathly afraid of taking the train- I either take the bus or the taxi. The subway system is far too dangerous. Eric Adams, the so-called mayor is doing absolutely nothing to quell this. He & the other liberal policymakers are too soft on crime. Giuliani had balls- under Giuliani, New York City was so much safer. Well, the leftist, socialist woke crowd wanted to defund the police- now here are THE RESULTS. I am a Liberal Democrat but the Republicans are looking good to me. Democrats are going completely #$%A$^.
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Valeantposted 2 years ago
Total crime makes the issue seem bad for cities, but in reality, rates are up in both red and blue states:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diNoVCz9HE4&t=267s
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