Yup, just the latest gross twisting of something into a very false narrative to enrage his watchers. The literal definition of being programmed to hate. But, yeah, millions trust this guy.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/false-claim- … 44660.html
In my state we do have mandatory vaccines, we have a list of required vaccines that a child must have before entering school, and kept up as required. They are mandatory unless one can provide a Doctors letter that says the vaccine is not recommended for the child.
If the state decides to take the CDC recommendations and the COVID vaccine is added to the list. Children will need to get it or not attend school.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-manage … index.html
https://www.michigan.gov/-/media/Projec … afe83dd2a0
https://www.cedars-sinai.org/blog/back- … -need.html
I would think most states have the same mandated vaccines, and one can opt-out via a Doctors letter.
So, Tucker was right the COVID vaccine could be mandatory if added to a given state's list of vaccines needed to enter school.
I could not find the Tucker show to check out if he covered the fact that it would be up to states if COVID vaccine is added to their required vaccine lists. The tweet does not offer enough context. In my view his tweet was hyperbolic.
"The CDC is about to add the Covid vaccine to the childhood immunization schedule, which would make the vax mandatory for kids to attend school," host Tucker Carlson tweeted.
'Could be' and 'would make' are very different claims. But his desired goal in making his followers be angry at the CDC for something they do not control seems to be working perfectly as that's now three that have tried to defend his lies.
Then why were we required to wear masks and get the shot?
They do control and you know it. Why are YOU lying?
Fauci himself had an overabundance of power, authority and influence and he was NOT an elected official!
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/anthony-s-fauci-md-bio
Masks were state decisions too. And no one was required to get the shot. That is you who are lying. For those that did not choose to get it, they had the option of periodic testing as an alternative. Before accusing others of lying, please have the facts to back up your claims.
Many across the nation were fired and lost their jobs. Do you have a memory? You back it up! The influence of the CDC was tyrannic.
Since when does being fired equal to being forced to get a vaccine? Those seem like two separate actions. Did those who were fired have the choice to remain unvaccinated? Yes.
Your claim is still false.
I very much agree that could is a mile from would. As I said the statement was hyperbolic, there is no getting around that. He did cause a stir, as the media often does, and it is detrimental when sharing news.
I don't watch Tucker do his personal overboard indignation with the subjects he covers.
Repeating:
No. He believes what he says. He thinks for himself and finds what is not right in the news. He finds what is treacherous to our democratic republic.
He is creative and humorous and he is acting. Just as Rush Limbaugh did. He was insightful, creative and humorous. Same with Trump
Some people just can't handle true insight, creativity and humor.
I did not say he does not believe what he says, only that his style is hyperbolic or exaggerated. As you said he is acting and creating an atmosphere. And he does stir or create a style that is insightful as Rush did.
I think in the case of this thread, and the tweet, Tucker chose the wrong word --- would instead of could. Would indicate something different than could.
I don't know if Trucker does that often, as I said I don't watch him often.
I think all vaccines for children are easily and quickly waived for religious reasons.
Tucker:
"The CDC is about to add the Covid vaccine to the
childhood immunization schedule,
which would make it mandatory
for kids to attend school..."
The Article:
Public health experts say there is a legitimate debate over whether schoolchildren should be required to be vaccinated against coronavirus ..." "... Saphier ... appeared in a Fox News segment on Wednesday afternoon, clarifying her comments, but reiterating her criticism that the children's vaccines needed further study."
CDC took to Twitter ... noting that its independent vaccine advisory committee would vote Thursday 'on an updated childhood immunization schedule.' ...The tweet also said: 'States establish vaccine requirements for schoolchildren, not ... the CDC ..."
"...The CDC's response drew criticism from public health experts, who said the agency did not explicitly rebuff Carlson's claim or speak in plain language."
"In a statement Wednesday, the CDC said the vaccine panel will be updating its 2023 childhood ... immunization schedules, including whether to add approved or authorized coronavirus vaccines, as guidance to health care providers.
"It's important to note that there are no changes in COVID-19 vaccine policy, and this action,(updating,) would ... help streamline clinical guidance for health care providers by including all currently licensed, authorized and routinely recommended vaccines in one document,' CDC spokesperson Kristen Nordlund said in an email."... "The revised immunization schedules would not take effect until January 2023."... "The updated schedule ... 'is the one place everyone can look to see exactly what all the recommendations are ...'"
One can see that he might have easily jumped to conclusions. One can also see that if someone doesn't speak up, it could happen.
One might also be thankful someone has an eagle eye to spot possibilities that should not happen.
One can also see that he was not lying for any nefarious reason, but might have blown it up a bit.
By mistake. He was alarmed by the idea.
(Who knows what the Government might allow the CDC to mandate these days!)
It was not a conclusion, as the article notes, because the CDC does not control what the mandatory vaccines are that children must have to attend schools. The states do that. He literally fabricated something that cannot happen.
Nice try. But not surprised to see his supporters defending his outright lies. Not surprised in the least.
He made a mistake by jumping to conclusions, but it wasn't a deliberate lie.
*repeating: Who knows what the Government might allow the CDC to mandate these days!
*repeating: "...The CDC's response drew criticism from public health experts, who said the agency did not explicitly rebuff Carlson's claim or speak in plain language."
So because health experts say that the CDC was not strong enough in their rebuke, that they are in the wrong when Carlson fabricated something not possible? That's your failed logic here?
'Who knows what the Government might allow the CDC to mandate these days!' - Pure fearmongering not based in any fact.
Based on what happened during the last two years.
Where exactly zero people were forced to get the vaccine.
Many people had to get vaccines just to keep their jobs. The issue has to do with school systems overreaching by mandating the Covid 19 vaccine or Omicron booster.
The states do that based on the recommendations of the CDC. Just because it has not happened yet in your back yard do not believe it is not true.
The vaccines have harmed and killed people.
C o m e o n ! ! !
Yeah, so? This vote allowed access to those wanting them. It wasn't a vote to mandate them. Carlson made that crap up. And you're falling for it by making your own fearmongering post.
... and what are you doing? shutting down perfectly valid fears!
Trump is lying to you as well about voter fraud according to a federal judge:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdbaGQLvObY&t=100s
If you want(ed) to focus on lies, maybe you better tell us WHY these people are lying.
Is lying by someone on the right not part of the topic of this thread? Why do you not see that?
It's best to stick to one topic per thread. And recommended by HP.
Lying is a side issue in my mind.
https://www.nashp.org/states-enact-poli … to-school/
Guess what? That story ran in thousands of newspapers and broadcast on many news outlets. Tucker Carlson didn't start the story.
It was a story on NBC news.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n … -rcna53129
Here it is on the Seattle Times
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-wor … anel-says/
Here it is on CBS News
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/ … r-AA13cvLt
Here it is in the Washington Examiner
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/poli … n-schedule
I could go on but there are too many to list. There are hundreds. So, if you're going to accuse Tucker Carlson of spreading lies, you have then accuse many news agencies of doing the exact same thing.
Could it have been a conspiracy between the conservative and liberal media?
what does that mean: " ... a conspiracy BETWEEN the conservative and liberal media?"
I just wish those too **** (insert adjective here that would get you banned) to understand how Tucker changed the story to say that the Children's vaccine would be mandatory, would also stop claiming some false equivalency to what other news agencies were posting....
"The CDC is about to add the Covid vaccine to the childhood immunization schedule, which would make the vax mandatory for kids to attend school," host Tucker Carlson tweeted.
The Seattle Times link was made after Carlson's post as they called out his lies at the end of the article. Could you have posted a worse link?
- ... who are too ________ to understand that "Tucker purposely lied" to promote rage and hate.
- Why would he twist "something into a very false narrative to enrage his watchers..." ?
- Why would he want to program his viewers to hate? to hate whom?
and what?
Do you really not know any reasons why Tucker would lie to his viewers? If not, there's really no point in starting a discussion with you on the topic.
You just can't answer, I guess. Better luck next time.
Some answers are elementary. This one is a waste of time since it's so obvious.
But the simplest is that topics that are controversial garner views. So Tucker has to take something innocuous and fabricate it to something controversial to get the idiots who watch him to stay interested.
All that tells me is new information was made public that was able to be put in the Seattle Times article.
How about the hundreds of other articles? I suppose then there are hundreds of new agencies intentionally telling lies to people.
Why focus only on Tucker Carlson? You've got hundreds of news agencies you can call liars.
You still seem to be in denial about the Carlson claim that adding the Covid vaccine to the immunization schedule would make it mandatory for kids to attend school. He is the only one who claimed that. And that is the lie you cannot seem to wrap your head around.
Go back and check all those hundreds of news agencies and see who claimed what Carlson did. I doubt you find any who made that same claim.
The issue is confusing and who knows what the future will bring.
I am truly confused by your hatred for Tucker Carlson.
Tucker Carlson is akin to an actor. Who knows if he even believes half of the stuff he spouts. He's there to play a role. He's laughing all the way to the bank with the performance of a lifetime as a political agitator. He found a niche to be filled, people who want a commentator who yells and preaches outrage.
No. He believes what he says. He thinks for himself and finds what is not right in the news. He finds what is treacherous to our democratic republic.
He doesn't at all. He's raking in the money on scaremongering. Even his own network says he is for entertainment purposes only.
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/91774712 … ox-s-lawye
The issue is not confusing. States get to decide the issue.
It is not hatred to try and enlighten those being told untruths to program them to hate their own government. It's an attempt to save them from themselves.
"It is not hatred to try and enlighten those being told untruths to program them to hate their own government. It's an attempt to save them from themselves."
Hatred of government is a good thing, in general. Get real.
'Hatred of government is a good thing, in general. Get real.'
Spoken like someone who has already been radicalized. Thank you for displaying exactly why I'm a one-issue voter for the time being.
Good to hear that you were a supporter of government when Trump was in power.
There's a big gap between supporter and hatred. And good luck finding the post where I claimed to hate Trump or even hate the government while he was in office. There's the difference between our parties - one openly hates.
I've openly stated I believe Trump to be a malignant narcissist, posted a whole Hub on the reasons why, and that that defect is what makes him a danger to the country.
- to the point of discounting sound policies.
You'll see the difference in the state of the country...
next time around ...
Do you have any concerns about Biden's cognitive state, could it pose a danger to the country? (note I have not offered my thoughts on the subject due to having shared my thoughts frequently on the subject) So, your thoughts.
I've gone on record here as having concerns, yes. Nor will I be supporting Biden in 2024.
And I would support legislation that makes a non-partisan health panel that screens government officials for cognitive or mental defects that would prevent them from executing their duties. Right now, that process is lacking and might have saved us from both Trump and Biden presidencies.
But that line of thought might be best for it's own thread.
That second paragraph does not jibe with your first. Trump was the elected leader of your country, and that last sentence comes out like you hate him and thus your government. (No, I do not follow your posts and do not know that you have ever said that.) It certainly looked like there was a lot of hatred coming from the Dems back then.
The way you perceive my words to see hate says more about your own world view than what I have written. That you equate clear signs of mental disease with hate, or that one man equals an entire government is just your own fabrications. If you cannot understand what I write and need to fabricate something not in there, best to avoid me. I won't have much interest in those kinds of delusions.
Okay, you are the one that is sounding delusional here. Watch out for those shadows now!
You appear to be here just to write trolling comments. This one I reported.
Okay, fine, it appears you are unable tô have a discussion like an adult. (What are you só afraid of?
HP hás banned you in the past and probably Will do só again.
Healthy skepticism of a government is a very good thing but that goes across the board regardless of which party is in power. This is what I find disingenuous about those of you on the far right. You're completely suspicious of a Democrat administration but you don't apply the same scrutiny to administrations of your own party whatsoever. It's just all partisan BS. Your politicians know it also. They take advantage of you. They have you Hoodwinked with conspiracy and fear mongering.
Your first sentence makes a lot of sense but then you start with the same sort of political droll that makes the others shut you out. Yes, there are people on the right unwilling to apply scrutiny to their administratioin; there are just as many people on the left that are unwilling to see their politicians errors.
My comment applied equally to both parties. That's why I said the same scrutiny should be applied to the government regardless of which party holds power.
But then you go off on a clear list of insults to the Republican party.
"applied equally to both parties" You clearly point out one party.
"This is what I find disingenuous about those of you on the far right. You're completely suspicious of a Democrat administration but you don't apply the same scrutiny to administrations of your own party whatsoever. It's just all partisan BS. Your politicians know it also. They take advantage of you. They have you Hoodwinked with conspiracy and
fear mongering."
"Your politicians" "They have you hoodwinked" I see you make no mention of the other party, no disparaging comments about what is being done to them...
How could your statement be considered bipartisan--- your statement applied to
one party, the Republican party.
Right now, it looks fairly clear to me that the Republican party or at least the maga wing is working completely off of fearmongering and conspiracy theory rather than a clear, detailed platform with specific solutions. I'd say the same if Democrats were doing the same. I don't have any allegiance to any political cult. But yes, in my opinion, the Republican party is off the rails currently. They are going all in on extremism when the better route would have been moderate.
First, there have been only a few debates. So one must tune in to nightly TV to hear from candidates. Fox has Republicans on nightly to share what they are running on. Not sure about the more left-leaning networks, I don't tune in. What I have gleaned from watching Republicans they are upbeat, some having rallies, and they are running on inflation, border, and crime, some talk about education, and what they see as problems the left is pushing in regard to Gender issues.
The lawn signs are up, and we are just ready to get on with it.
Most Republicans are not really moderate any longer. The party has morphed into a more boisterous party. The true 100% conservative, in my view, is in the minority at this point.
One thing remains, we want less Government, more than ever before.
In my view, Republicans don't like the direction the country is headed under Democrats and I think many independents feel the same.
Yes, we have a few extremists, yet so does the Democratic party.
Moderate is no longer a question, due to what we are now dealing with in the Country. Many of us feel we need a fixer. Many of us really felt even with COVID, we were doing well with Trump's agenda, and his policies.
So, I think many are hell-bent on getting back to square one and progressing from there.
Right now it looks to me as if the American Democrats are the ones spreading the fear. Remember Uncle Joe´s speech where he told us the MAGA people were unAmerican? Off the rails?
So despite your first sentence back there, which I thought was well written, why do you have to attack only the Republicans?
The maga agenda, in my opinion, is too extreme and too hate filled. Maga is divisive. I do not support it. As far as I'm concerned, President Biden spoke the truth about maga. Seems as though you haven't listened to many the stump speeches of our of maga-brand candidates. Yes, it's off the rails.
You are correct, I have not. But if they are off the rails does that give the Dems an excuse to use fearmongering and hate techniques?
Faye, the MAGA agenda is about putting America first in regard to keeping a border that laws are kept, we are interested in bringing peace to our communities in regard to crime, we are for providing children with better education, and we want better trade opportunities, and to produce our own energy on American soil, we are not for being dependent on others for energy. We want less Government. We want Government's most left ideologies out of our schools.
I find it offensive to hear the president refer to MAGA in the negative, he certainly has given nothing of why he feels this way. He ca; ls us fascists, without cause or giving any examples of why he feels this way. He voices a very negative label, without anything to offer about why he came to his conclusion.
It seems like you have not listened to the Republicans that are running. They are focused on issues that plague the Nation and Problems that many feel this administration has caused.
What makes you feel MAGA agenda is divisive? We who support America first feel this agenda can lead us out of a very dark time.
I ask, what samples has Biden given to indicate MAGA supporters as rare fascists.? He does use the word but just does not give any examples of fascism. I think unless one can back something up with examples, one should not toss out such a word. So please give some examples where we that respect MAGA spread "hate" and "President Biden spoke the truth about maga." Please quote him... His speeches are vague without any true information or facts to back up what he speaks of. In my view, you picked up the gauntlet and did the same.
So please quote Biden in regard to why you feel he spoke the truth --- truth about what? He tosses out a word and gives zero examples of why he thinks MAGA citizens are fascists.
I personally support the MAGA, and I am well informed, listen to both sides, and I can assure all I am not a fascist.
Back up your comment --- otherwise you're doing the same thing that Biden does when he uses such divided terms.
This confuses me. An effort, a goal of uniting Americans and putting Americans and America at the top of America's priority list just does not seem divisive to me.
I do recognize that there are a relative handful of people in the country (+20 million illegal aliens) that may wish harm to our country and to us, that do NOT wish to see us prioritize our country and people, but they are (I hope) a tiny handful. If MAGA divides them from mainstream America, so be it.
Can you explain further how pulling together for the good of our people and our country is divisive to those same people?
I don't feel Faye is aware of what MAGA stands for the majority believe in it.
Perhaps. I do think that a great many people think it is bad and evil because it originated with that terrible, evil Trump - no other reason is needed to disparage and belittle it. I don't think Faye falls into that foolish camp; it is just one instance of why people might not appreciate prioritizing our own people first.
Sharlee's first paragraph has noble goals, there's nothing wrong with those pursuits.
Fascists, without cause though?
Considering the majority of the MAGA movement refused to accept the results of a free and fair election based on lies would make them fascist in nature. That almost 300 candidates in the midterms are election deniers makes them fascist. That a leader saying they wished their generals were more like the ones under Hitler is fascist. Calling the media the enemy of the people is fascist. Undermining the rule of law by obstructing justice is fascist. Asking government employees for personal fealty instead of fealty to the Constitution is fascist. Attacking anyone who dares question or stand against you is fascist. Organizing an attack on your own government to prevent the peaceful transfer of power is beyond fascist. When the leader of your party espouses openly racist terms like 'China Virus' and 'Coco Chow' that increases hate crimes against certain Americans, that party ight be fascist in nature.
There is plenty of cause out there and so many examples. When MAGA followers violently attack churches, synagogues, the FBI, and their own Capitol; when they make domestic terror threats to school boards and election workers, they are a clear and present danger to the country.
I'm with Faye, Biden didn't go far enough in denouncing the programming Trump is doing with his base that is causing violence against their own government and officials.
"Considering the majority of the MAGA movement refused to accept the results of a free and fair election based on lies would make them fascist in nature."
Yes, and the majority of the BLM movement burned cities, occupied police stations and attacked anything connected with law and order.
A handful of loud voices do not make a "majority", not even when hatred of Trump and anything from Trump indicates it has to be so.
First, I can respect where you are coming from. I realize there are Americans that share your views. Both sides have strong feelings about MAGA and its supporters. Mine are formed by appreciating the concepts of what MAGA stands for and ultimately could offer America. Which I could write a book on.
"Considering the majority of the MAGA movement refused to accept the results of a free and fair election based on lies would make them fascist in nature. "
This is your view, there is no evidence that a majority of MAGA followers are election deniers. And no even if a person believes the election was fraudulent that does not make them fascist.
What does being a fascist mean?
What does fascism mean? A fascist is someone who supports or promotes fascism—a system of government led by a dictator who typically rules by forcefully and often violently suppressing opposition and criticism, controlling all industry and commerce, and promoting nationalism and often racism.
"That almost 300 candidates in the midterms are election deniers makes them fascist. "
I request you offer proof of this statement.
" Calling the media the enemy of the people is fascist."
This is a view, that the right to freedom of speech offers.
" Organizing an attack on your own government to prevent the peaceful transfer of power is beyond fascist."
It is clear that some Trump supporters did plan a protest that turned into a riot at the capitol. Which it well appears they will all go to prison for. This was a small handful of people, not a Majority of MAGA supporters.
" There is plenty of cause out there and so many examples. When MAGA followers attack churches, synagogues, the FBI, and their own Capitol;"
Again a small handful of citizens that took it upon themselves to break the law.
MAGA is a concept, an agenda. Many Americans feel it is a positive agenda for this time in our history. To put America back on a more positive path, to rebuild, and solve problems that we currently are experiencing.
In my own view, the majority of Republicans feel as I do, we need new conservative representation that will consider putting America first. I do feel the majority will speak in Nov. Perhaps you will feel differently after the elections, and respect that MAGA just means "Make America Great Again". And it does not support violence, or anything anti-American.
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