Grassley Releases Trove Of Hunter Biden's Hard Copy Documents To Media

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  1. Sharlee01 profile image85
    Sharlee01posted 2 years ago

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    So where are the true Journalist?

    "EXCLUSIVE: Republican Sens. Chuck Grassley of Iowa and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin are sharing with the U.S. attorney leading the criminal investigation into Hunter Biden more than 200 pages of bank records related to his and the Biden family’s alleged "connections to the Chinese regime and persons connected to its military and intelligence elements".

    Fox News Digital independently reviewed the bank records Grassley and Johnson obtained throughout the course of their investigation into Hunter Biden’s business dealings. The more than 200 pages of records come from Cathay Bank, the oldest operating bank in the U.S. founded by Chinese Americans.

    Grassley and Johnson obtained the records from a U.S. bank in the course of their investigation into Hunter Biden’s business dealings. The records reveal transactions between Hunter Biden-linked business entities and Chinese energy firm CEFC, which reportedly had ties to the Chinese Communist Party. "

    "Some of those transactions were previously revealed in Grassley and Johnson’s 2020 reports, which they say showed that the Biden family’s "extensive links to foreign governments and questionable foreign nationals posed counterintelligence and extortion concerns."

    Grassley and Johnson have been sounding the alarm on these business transactions with Chinese-linked associates CEFC Chairman Ye Jiangming and Gongwen Dong, which "resulted in millions of dollars in questionable transactions."

    In a letter Grassley and Johnson wrote to U.S. Attorney for Delaware David Weiss, exclusively obtained by Fox News, the GOP senators notified him of the hundreds of pages of records, and slammed him and the Justice Department for ignoring their attempts to ensure that the criminal probe into Hunter Biden is "thorough and free from political interference." Weiss is leading the probe into Hunter Biden.

    "Today, in light of your and DOJ’s failure to respond to our legitimate congressional oversight requests and as part of our ongoing congressional investigation, we are transmitting to you over two hundred pages of records relating to the Biden family’s connections to the Chinese regime and persons connected to its military and intelligence elements," they wrote."

    "Grassley and Johnson provided records that they said to include more than 100 pages of "unredacted and previously unreleased bank records relating to one of Hunter Biden’s businesses, Hudson West III."
    Read on and view all Bank documents
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter … idents-son

    It's time the DOJ does its job. It would seem they are protecting the Biden family.


    (I hope this does not turn into a Trump and his Kids did this thread. I mean no president's children could compare to this piece of work.)

    This thread is all about Biden, and the incriminating documents that  Grassley has presented to the DOJ.

    1. Fayetteville Faye profile image60
      Fayetteville Fayeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "It's time the DOJ does its job. It would seem they are protecting the Biden family."

      The investigation is in the hands of a Trump appointee from the previous administration.

      Mr. Garland stated:  "I'm quite comfortable with the United States attorney for that district continuing in the role that he's playing,"

      It seems like many aren't concerned with Hunter Biden's alleged actions. It seems to be more about making this into  an example of  "the system is rigged in favor of Democrats,"
      In other words, it's all about disparaging the DOJ for political gain. I am very satisfied that a Trump appointee is running the investigation. 

      Hunter Biden probably has a beef with some of the agents though.  They have leaked speculation about his guilt along with grand jury information to the press. The leaker or leakers be uncovered and prosecuted.

      This is just yet another symptom of a wider problem in America. I'm not sure enough are concerned with the facts of the case as much as they want  to confirm the overly simplified groupthink that is constantly pushed by many of our political leaders.  Red is good and blue is bad or vice versa. Critical thinking is being eradicated in this country.

    2. My Esoteric profile image83
      My Esotericposted 24 months agoin reply to this

      I think I will pull a WIlderness and posit that Grassley and Johnson could have fabricated those documents.  Who verified them?

      1. Sharlee01 profile image85
        Sharlee01posted 24 months agoin reply to this

        Well if you read my comment you would have realized Grassley sent hundreds of bank documents to the DOJ. I would not think he would send false bank records to the DOJ. It certainly would be a very easy task for the DOJ to check if the bank records were inaccurate. So "Who verified them?"  To read bank records   https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter … idents-son

        That will be the job of the DOJ. Or I would think the FBI, they have an open investigation into Hunter's taxes. They may already have these banks, these records are financial deals.

  2. wilderness profile image89
    wildernessposted 2 years ago

    To paraphrase: "Some of Hunter's companies did business with a foreign business that has ties to the communist political party".

    Frankly, it's going to take a lot more than that (a lot more) to raise my suspicions or ire.  Every international business in our country does business with other companies that "have ties to a foreign political party".  That's the nature of business today.

    Considering the number of items imported from Chinese companies it seems really silly - are we going to investigate every company that imports a Chinese product?  There are going to be thousands (tens of thousands?) selling junk on eBay alone!

    1. Ken Burgess profile image69
      Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      A $1.5 billion donation from a Chinese businessman to a private equity firm, BHR Partners, on whose board Hunter sat... 8 days after a Joe & Hunter visit to China?

      1. wilderness profile image89
        wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        And that could be that "a lot more".

        Personally I have little doubt that some of Hunters business dealings are shady at best and possibly downright illegal.  I just take exception to the insinuation that because a chinese businessman has "ties to a political party" and did business with an American firm, that firm and it's owner are automatically suspect.

  3. Sharlee01 profile image85
    Sharlee01posted 2 years ago

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    Mainstream media critics bashed the network for being two years two late on the story and reminded them of how one of the network’s own reporters told former President Donald Trump to his face that the laptop’s existence and alleged contents could not be verified.

    CBS tarred and feathered for admitting the existence of Hunter Biden’s laptop two years after it was handed to the FBI.

    'It only took @CBSNews two federal election cycles to report out this major Joe Biden scandal,' Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton tweeted.

    Conservatives on Twitter tore into CBS News for finally admitting that the controversial Hunter Biden laptop—containing the personal files and shady business dealings of President Joe Biden’s son and foreign countries—is real.

    On Monday, the news network confirmed via its own forensic investigation that the laptop The New York Post first reported on in 2020, was in fact real.

    Major networks at the time refused to acknowledge the story, as Twitter and Facebook moved to stifle The Post’s story ahead of the 2020 presidential election.

    CBS anchor Tony Dokoupil reported on "CBS Mornings" – that the network obtained "[the laptop’s] data, not through a third party or political operative, but directly from the source who told us they provided it to the FBI under subpoena."

    He added, "We commissioned an independent forensic review to determine its authenticity."

    1. Fayetteville Faye profile image60
      Fayetteville Fayeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Tell me exactly how it relates to President Biden and then we'll have an issue until then I don't know.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image85
        Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

        This thread is about Hunter Biden.  I have made no mention of Joe Biden directly. I did make mention of the "Biden Family, as did Grassley.

        The thread deals with Senior Grassley's letter to the FBI, and the information he added to his letter.

        So, to answer your question --- I have no idea if there is anything that would incriminate Joe Biden on the Laptop. I certainly have never indicated I did.

        I was only adding a new twist to Grassley's investigation. And to point out that CBC  sat on the story for two years, and did many outlets. In fact, many called the laptop story made up, misinformation.

        I think having information, actual physical evidence, and first-hand witnesses certainly is a good reason, and bases for the Congressional Judicial committee to proceed with the Hunter Biden investigation. They have crossed Ts and dotted Is. Collected documents, and talked with first-hand witnesses.

      2. Sharlee01 profile image85
        Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

        This thread is about Hunter Biden. I have not made mentioned it directly to Joe Biden myself.      I did quote Tom Fitton ---  'It only took @CBSNews two federal election cycles to report out this major Joe Biden scandal,' Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton tweeted."

        I took his tweet to mean, the president son is knee-deep in a scandal that will reflect on his father.

        1. Fayetteville Faye profile image60
          Fayetteville Fayeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I don't think the decisions of a child reflect on the parent.

          1. wilderness profile image89
            wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Or, I might add, vice versa.

          2. Sharlee01 profile image85
            Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            I think that's commendable. But, and this is just my personal view if the child is in some respect involving the dad, an old dad is the President of the US, and dealing with the same foreign nations his son is collecting funds from, "we the people" need to be assured that the dad is not compromised.

            If Hunter's business partner had not made accusations about Joe Biden, I could see your point. However, he did and is still out in the public eye telling his all that Joe Biden was in on the deal.

            So, do we ignore him? Is he a liar? It can easily be straightened out. This particular deal also involved a couple of other business partners, as well as Jim Biden. I am sure all will be requested to testify when the hearings take place.  The truth can be easily obtained, and put to rest if need be.

            Hunter just left such a document trial, it all needs to be investigated.

  4. Sharlee01 profile image85
    Sharlee01posted 2 years ago

    FBI pressured Twitter, sent trove of docs hours before Post broke Hunter laptop story

    "The FBI pressured Twitter to suppress The Post’s blockbuster scoop about Hunter Biden’s laptop by warning it could be part of a Russian “hack and leak” operation — even while knowing the concern was unfounded, according to internal company records made public Monday.

    The latest release of the “Twitter Files” authorized by new owner Elon Musk also provided more examples of former top FBI lawyer Jim Baker’s role in cracking down on The Post’s reporting while he worked as Twitter’s deputy general counsel, a job from which Musk fired him earlier this month"
    https://nypost.com/2022/12/19/fbi-reach … top-story/
    https://www.newsweek.com/hunter-biden-l … es-1765395

    10.26.2022
    Grassley, Johnson Share Investigative Material With Prosecutors In Hunter Biden Criminal Probe   https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/ne … inal-probe

  5. Sharlee01 profile image85
    Sharlee01posted 2 years ago

    And so it begins --- And In my view, this is a good place to start.
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    "Former Twitter executives to testify before House Oversight Committee on Biden laptop
    The executives will testify regarding the censorship of Hunter Biden's laptop"

    "Three former Twitter executives will appear before the House Oversight Committee for testimony on February 8, Fox News has learned.

    The three former executives, who have yet to be named, will testify regarding the company's decision to censor the New York Post's article on Hunter Biden's laptop in the weeks before the 2020 election.

    The hearing will be the first major session for the Oversight Committee under chairman James Comer, R-Ky., who has engaged in multiple investigations of the Biden family. The committee is also seeking answers regarding the classified documents found inside President Biden's Wilmington, Delaware home."

    Hopefully, these hearings are televised live as the Jan 6th hearings were. If not, I will be tuning in to CSpan.

  6. Sharlee01 profile image85
    Sharlee01posted 2 years ago

    Hunter Biden’s lawyers deny admitting laptop's existence in demand for criminal probe into leakers

    Hunter Biden's lawyers called on federal and state prosecutors across the country to open criminal investigations into his critics on Wednesday, but denied that doing so suggested reports about the laptop's contents are accurate.

    Biden's attorney, Abbe Lowell, wrote letters to the Justice Department and the Delaware attorney general calling for investigations into Rudy Giuliani, Steve Bannon and John Mac Isaac, who owns the computer repair shop where Biden is said to have left his laptop. Biden's lawyers also sent cease and desist letters to others who obtained and disseminated the laptop's contents.

    Despite the appearances, Lowell argues that Wednesday's letters do not constitute an admission of the laptop's validity. Biden's legal team says the versions of the laptop released to the public may have been tampered with.

    "These letters do not confirm Mac Isaac’s or others’ versions of a so-called laptop," Lowell told Fox News Digital. "They address their conduct of seeking, manipulating and disseminating what they allege to be Mr. Biden’s personal data, wherever they claim to have gotten it."

    The DOJ did not immediately respond to a request for comment from Fox News Digital.

    Lowell argued in the letters that Mac Isaac and the others had no right to inspect the contents of Biden's laptop, much less make copies of it to share with the media.

    "This failed dirty political trick directly resulted in the exposure, exploitation, and manipulation of Mr. Biden’s private and personal information," Lowell wrote in a letter. "Politicians and the news media have used this unlawfully accessed, copied, distributed, and manipulated data to distort the truth and cause harm to Mr. Biden."

    The letter went on to accuse Mac Isaac of "theft of computer services," and Giuliani of "possession of stolen property

    "Mr. Mac Isaac chose to work with President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer to weaponize Mr. Biden’s personal computer data against his father, Joseph R. Biden, by unlawfully causing the provision of Mr. Biden’s personal data to the New York Post," Lowell wrote.

    The first son's newfound legal aggression comes as Republicans on Capitol Hill are preparing their own investigations into both him and President Biden's family more generally.

    An upcoming hearing for the House Oversight Committee will focus on Twitter's censorship of the New York Post's original story on the so-called "laptop from hell," which dropped just weeks before Election Day in 2020.

    Other House investigations are expected to focus on Hunter's business dealings. Those investigations are likely to rely heavily on the contents of the laptop."
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter … y-giuliani

    1. Fayetteville Faye profile image60
      Fayetteville Fayeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Wonderful, a full slate of investigations headed up by people of questionable character and intelligence. I don't know, maybe Hunter Biden's laptop has a comprehensive immigration plan in it.
      God knows these  bumbling fools aren't going to get anything of value done let alone the issues they fear-mongered on during the midterms.  Will anybody remember? Will anybody care? Probably not as long as a mudslinging soap opera can unfold. Seems like these days that that's all the American brain can process.  Well, a good number of Americans anyway.  Add a side of a culture war issue and we're all set.  Politicians really have the people pegged don't they?

      Look what Congress is up to...

      https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylo … ee-1778408

      This is complete ignorance and stupidity. What a waste of time and money. This woman is an absolute imbecile. But she is front and center.

      As someone said today...welcome to  the "Seinfeld Congress"  it's a show about nothing.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image85
        Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

        I see your point and agree. I feel these hearings need o be swift, and filed in the done, over the pile. Congress should be doing its job, with as I have said good speed. I don't feel we need special counsel, or a DOJ dragging all of these investigations on, and on.  In reality we know nothing comes from these types of investigations but a huge bill. And years of the media feeding the fire.

        The House did have a busy week other than all the hearings ---  But, I would have liked to see some of our pressing problems being addressed. Here is a link to the schedule of the house. It is a good source  --- However,  I am not at all impressed. I would have thought they would have come out swinging. Looks like business as usual.
        https://docs.house.gov/floor/

  7. Sharlee01 profile image85
    Sharlee01posted 22 months ago

    "The National Archives has released emails that show that then-Vice President Biden approved an official statement in December 2015 about Hunter Biden’s position on a Ukrainian energy company’s board."

    Although Joe Biden has stated over, and over, and over that he knows nothing about his son's Business dealings and it has been proven time and again that he did... We now have documentation handed down from the National Archives that offers factual written proof that Joe Biden lied again, and again, and again.

    National Archives just torpedoed Joe Biden's 'I know nothing' defense
    President Biden has continued to deny that he was part of any dealings with companies and countries that benefitted his family

    For years, President Biden has maintained a Sgt. Schultz defense ("I know nothing, nothing!") to counter allegations that his family has profiteered on influence peddling with foreign countries and companies.

    Despite mounting evidence to the contrary, Biden maintains that he "knows nothing, nothing" about son Hunter Biden's business deals. He recently doubled down on this defense by even denying that family members received money from foreign sources. He repeated his denial even after the release of financial transfer reports from his own administration showing millions transferred from China.

    Now, emails have emerged that show that Biden personally helped draft responses to the controversial deals in 2015 when he was vice president. It also appears that Biden officials like former White House communications director Kate Bedingfield knew of his role even as the president continued to deny any involvement.

    The National Archives has released emails that show that then-Vice President Biden approved an official statement in December 2015 about Hunter Biden’s position on a Ukrainian energy company’s board.

    Biden has denied any knowledge or involvement in these business dealings at least seven times as a presidential candidate and as president.

    For years, the media has continued to report President Biden’s repeated claim that "I have never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings."  Read on
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/nationa … ns-defense

    So, when will this compromised president be impeached?

    1. Valeant profile image76
      Valeantposted 22 months agoin reply to this

      Approving an official statement is hardly being 'in the know' about any of Hunter's business dealings.  An official statement is basically an acknowledgement of Hunter joining the board, something Joe Biden and the rest of the world were apparently aware of.

      Your post is a real reach to create a story out of absolutely nothing, and you fell hard for the Faux News outrage machine.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image85
        Sharlee01posted 22 months agoin reply to this

        True, but the article was more or less written to just point out Joe Biden was untruthful time and again in regard to his son's foreign business dealings. Biden stated on many occasions he never discussed his son's business dealings. He met frequently with Hunter's various business partners. https://gop.com/research/biden-lied-16- … tners-rsr/
        "I have never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings,” Biden said." He said this over and over over this past year...
        “I have never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings,” Biden said. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol … 401830001/

        This thread is merely to point out that Biden repeatedly lied about knowing about Hunter's business dealings.

        In the end, this point It appears that the latest Archives email shows Biden has been lying, and lying frequently about the subject.  Not sure if his mistruths could play a part in any crimes  Hunter has not been indicted on any crimes that I know of.   I can't assume Joe Biden or his son will or won't be charged with any crimes. Just pointing out that he lies frequently on the record...

        I sarcastically asked if would this lead to Biden being impeached.

        1. Valeant profile image76
          Valeantposted 22 months agoin reply to this

          I'm not really sure that your thread really proves that Joe Biden discussed business dealings.  It might show that Hunter Biden was trying to impress his business partners by giving them access to his Dad and the government around him, but having lunch or playing golf are not business discussions, for example.  I think you and the GOP are making some assumptions - not necessarily ones that would take a big leap to get to - but assumptions nonetheless.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image85
            Sharlee01posted 22 months agoin reply to this

            I am holding out my thoughts on the smoke parts of the Hunter Biden issue. As I said, just pointing out the simple fact of a lie Biden has told time and time again.

            This more reflects on Joe Biden, not his son. As I said, not sure of the importance or if there would be any importance in Joe Biden being aware r not being aware of Hunter's business dealings. It has been proven that Hunter shared money from his China deal with his uncle and his sister-in-law.  I guess it is yet to be known if these payments were for and if the payments were genuinely legal.

            I mean there is a lot of smoke, and it may end up all being very legal.

            I would think that any and all of Hunter's business partners that met with Joe could be simply questioned by Congress. This would seem like an easy way to find out if there was anything to be concerned about.

            No assumptions are just waiting to see if anything comes of any of this.

            1. Valeant profile image76
              Valeantposted 22 months agoin reply to this

              Either way, it's not a swing issue for 2024 since the Trump family is either just as guilty of the same conduct or even more so since his children actually held government positions.

              It's like the inappropriateness with women issue.  Trump has more and worse conduct, so that one isn't the winner the right thinks it is either. 

              As it is, since the right is choosing to only investigate Biden on the issue, it looks like  major waste of time to much of the country.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                Sharlee01posted 22 months agoin reply to this

                I would like to see all the current Biden, as well as Trump investigations, be done with good speed, and not be around as political fodder.  If there is no there, there, is time to move on, and yes, stop wasting time and money.

    2. Credence2 profile image81
      Credence2posted 22 months agoin reply to this

      Sharlee, an absent friend wanted me to convey information in response to your comments:
      --

      I see you caught lying Fox News lying again.  Did you even read the emails?  Try it and see if you will continue to pass along such BS.

      https://aflegal.org/wp-content/uploads/ … lement.pdf

      1. Sharlee01 profile image85
        Sharlee01posted 22 months agoin reply to this

        I had not been able to find the emails... I certainly tried. Not sure how these texts can be more incriminating. Have you had a look?

        They look legit.  Not sure what your friend is alluding to. I mean the entire conversation is very incriminating to Joe Biden.

        Maybe ask your mysterious friend to explain why he feels Fox misrepresented the report. All looks pretty right to me.

        Hey, thanks for the source.

  8. Kathleen Cochran profile image73
    Kathleen Cochranposted 22 months ago

    Fine with me. But wait your turn. The line of questionable dealings from the last administration has hardly begun to move. And it will take a while to get through all of them.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 22 months agoin reply to this

      IT will also take a change in Congress. And if we see a new Republican ad. we will see all that is Trump disappear.

      1. Kathleen Cochran profile image73
        Kathleen Cochranposted 22 months agoin reply to this

        I'm afraid you are right. The best reason I can imagine to vote Blue.

  9. Ken Burgess profile image69
    Ken Burgessposted 22 months ago

    Manchurian Candidate?

    Actually that would make a lot of sense, considering all that Biden has done in the last two+ years, for instance:

    Alienate Saudi Arabia to the point where they are now trading oil for China's Yuan.

    Abandoning Afghanistan so that China could step in.

    Starting a war with Russia, through Ukraine, which causes the EU to sever ties with Russia's cheap energy (lets not forget the Nord Stream sabotage that helped ensure they didn't change their minds)... and China and India reaping the benefits, as they now are the ones getting cheap energy, while the EU's manufacturing is now crippled.

    Yes, Biden very easily could be a Manchurian Candidate, and that is not even considering the harm he has done here in the U.S. where Americans are now the #1 threat to America, according to Biden.

    1. Valeant profile image76
      Valeantposted 22 months agoin reply to this

      Maybe if MAGA Americans would stop sending violent death threats to other Americans, or would stop violently attacking their own government after Trump posts some dangerous rhetoric to social media, we could stop qualifying MAGA Republicans as the #1 threat to America.  Clearly neither of those things are going to happen though.

  10. Kathleen Cochran profile image73
    Kathleen Cochranposted 22 months ago

    Fortunately enough MAGA folks have gone to jail over Jan. 6 that the rest don't appear to be so easily fooled over the possibility of Trump being arrested.

  11. Donna-Rayne profile image85
    Donna-Rayneposted 22 months ago

    Fantastic read; I agree that the DOJ is also trying to protect this family. The truth always makes itself known- if even eventually!

    1. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 22 months agoin reply to this

      I agree... As a rule, truth has a way of coming to the surface.

  12. My Esoteric profile image83
    My Esotericposted 10 months ago

    While Grassley's so-called "treasure trove" of documents turned out to be smoke, mirrors, and lies, Democrats want to look into the nefarious activities of one Jared Kushner.

    "On Tuesday, Raksin, a ranking member of the Committee on Oversight and Accountability, and Garcia, a ranking member of the Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, sent a letter asking leading Republicans on the House Oversight Committee to hold a hearing over Kushner's "apparent influence peddling and quid pro quos for actions he undertook to reshape U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East."

    "We write to urge you to convene a hearing regarding Jared Kushner's apparent influence peddling and quid pro quo deals involving investments in exchange for official actions and to examine the resulting threats to our national security. Our request comes in light of allegations that Jared Kushner is pursuing new foreign business deals, just as Donald Trump becomes the presumptive Republican nominee for the presidency," the two Democrats wrote in the letter to Oversight Committee Chair Republican James Comer of Kentucky and Republican Representative Glenn Grothman of Wisconsin, who chairs a subcommittee of the panel.'


    This is at least current and not something allegedly done ten years ago supported only by discredited documents.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … =shoreline

  13. Kathleen Cochran profile image73
    Kathleen Cochranposted 10 months ago

    Good. Keep these guys busy. Will keep them from screwing something up elsewhere.

    1. My Esoteric profile image83
      My Esotericposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      lol.

  14. My Esoteric profile image83
    My Esotericposted 8 months ago

    Well, the politically motivated trial of Hunter Biden by the MAGA Republicans for lying on a gov't form has begun.  Why do I say it is politically motivated?  Because nobody, and I mean nobody with the same fact pattern has ever been prosecuted for that type of "crime" in Delaware. So why is this happening to Hunter?  Because his last name is Biden and the Republicans will do literally anything, legal or illegal, hurt his father, successful President Biden.

    Here is opening for a hung jury that will put an end to this travesty of justice.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/04/politics … index.html

    1. wilderness profile image89
      wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      From what I've seen there is as little doubt of Biden's guilt as there was of Trump's.  Yes, it is absolutely politically driven, just as Trump's legal trials, going back 8 years, have been.  The Republicans learn fast, don't they?

      1. My Esoteric profile image83
        My Esotericposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        Yes, I agree about Hunter being technically guilty and it being purely political even though nobody else has been federally prosecuted this way for the same fact pattern. 

        I disagree about Trump's being political. What Trump did was orders of magnitudes worse than checking a box on a form.  He should have been prosecuted federally, but Trump's lacky Barr nixed it if I recall correctly.  But everybody saw what Trump did and Bragg and his predecessor had the courage to investigate it.  What they found was a major crime of trying to illegally influence an election.  While I am sure they were very happy to finally hold Trump accountable, it was done for the right reason and therefore not political. 

        What makes that all true is that a jury of 12 regular people, one of whom only got his news for Lying Fox News and Newsmax, found it very easy to unanimously find beyond a reasonable doubt that 1) Trump oversaw falsifying his business records and 2) , which makes it a felony in the first degree, that he did it with the intent of covering up another crime - illegally influencing the 2016 election and/or tax fraud.

      2. Ken Burgess profile image69
        Ken Burgessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        You know the old saying... don't throw stones if you live in a glass house?

        Democrat/DNC Glass House... stones are incoming.

        1. My Esoteric profile image83
          My Esotericposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Just proves how fair and impartial AG Garland is.  Menendez, Biden, Cuellar, among others.  He didn't even do to Mike Pence what he did to President Biden and appoint a special counsel. 

          Seems like if anything, the AG is biased against Democrats.

        2. wilderness profile image89
          wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          The Democrats have been excellent teachers on how to subvert our systems for political gains and the Republicans fast learners.  We will all pay the cost of such perfidy.

          1. Valeant profile image76
            Valeantposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            They likely learned it from the Clinton impeachment and the Benghazi hearings.

            1. wilderness profile image89
              wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              And nobody learned anything, did they?  History will always repeat itself if no one learns better behavior, and our politicians appear incapable of that.

              1. Valeant profile image76
                Valeantposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                Undermines your 'Democrats were the teachers' argument if one went back a few presidential terms, now doesn't it.

          2. My Esoteric profile image83
            My Esotericposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            Please provide evidence of your false hyperbole.

            1. wilderness profile image89
              wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              If you refuse to recognize it, I can't help you.

              1. My Esoteric profile image83
                My Esotericposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                Aren't you the one always asking for proof that Trump is guilty of a whole host of crimes when it is obvious to almost all that he his? (and we supplied it, as did 12 jurors for 34 of his crimes). 

                So what changed, why does "obvious" without proof work for you in this case but not in Trump's?

                1. wilderness profile image89
                  wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  You don't get to declare guilt.  How many times is it necessary to point out that legal and obvious fact?

                  1. Valeant profile image76
                    Valeantposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                    Actually, if we look at the evidence, we can formulate an opinion whether he is innocent or guilty.  When he's in a court of law, he is afforded the right of innocent until proven guilty.  There's nothing to say that people not sitting in the jury cannot judge for themselves, based on the public information.  Only the jury needs to maintain the standard of innocent until proven guilty when they agree to sit in judgment.

                    Many believed New York's case was very weak, until they heard David Pecker's testimony.  Until they saw the mountains of evidence that was going to corroborate Michael Cohen's upcoming testimony.  Then it became obvious that Trump, like Cohen and Weisselberg, was guilty of fraud.

                  2. My Esoteric profile image83
                    My Esotericposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                    You deflected, didn't you.

                    Let me ask again to you claim that "The Democrats have been excellent teachers on how to subvert our systems for political gains"

                    "Aren't you the one always asking for proof that Trump is guilty of a whole host of crimes when it is obvious to almost all that he his? (and we supplied it, as did 12 jurors for 34 of his crimes).

                    So what changed, why does "obvious" without proof work for you in this case but not in Trump's?"

  15. My Esoteric profile image83
    My Esotericposted 8 months ago

    Well, the Hunter Biden jury didn't want to be nullified and found him guilty although half the jury initially wanted to find him not guilty.  Some of them did say basically this trial as BS and shouldn't have brought this case to trial in the first place.  I think they know this was a political hit job on the Biden family by the Republicans. They also said he should not get any jail time.

    He may have a shot on appeal because Conservative are pushing a lawsuit that being a drug addict shouldn't prevent anyone from buy a gun.

    Also notable is that Hunter took it like a man, unlike Trump who whined and cried about how unfair the jurors, judge, the judge's family, the prosecution, the prosecution's families were to poor little him. Biden had every right to go out in front of the camera on a daily basis and trash the prosecutor and Republicans for their witch hunt.

    https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ … index.html

    1. Willowarbor profile image58
      Willowarborposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      Biden's not very good at this weaponization thing is he? Why did he even let it get to trial? When is the pardon coming?  Lol I also noticed that left-leaning media is also not trashing the judge and his family .
      A judge who was a Trump nominee.

      1. My Esoteric profile image83
        My Esotericposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        Even some Republicans thought this was BS, Graham and one other whose name I just forgot.

 
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