Airman 1st Class Jack Teixeira
I had a secret clearance as a civilian contractor with the U.S. Army. I made coffee and shredded documents during war games at the U.S. Army War College. For doing those menial tasks I filled out a 42-page application for the clearance that included my in-laws birthdates, birthplaces, and middle names. There is no way a person at any age goes through that process and does not know the severity to what they are making a commitment and its consequences.
I also know how easily I could have done exactly what he did even though his clearance was top secret. A security clearance is not a no-fail system. Half of the process is determining if you are an individual who can be trusted.
Not to mention that as a member of the U.S. Armed Forces he took the same oath as every president, senator, and congressman and anyone who holds an elected office in our government or military: to protect and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic.
Period. Full Stop.
This is a mistake he will pay for the rest of his life. It is a tragedy. But it was an informed choice.
Is there any other way to see this? I have a grandson almost his age. I'd love to know if there is any other way to see this?As a Mom and grandmother, I can cave. But as an American citizen, I see it differently. He knowingly broke laws and actually may have put people's lives in danger. (note the words may have).
I could also say --- he saw Americans being lied to and martyred himself. for the greater good of transparency.
This is a hard one. If they don't treat him as the law dictates, a scary precedent will be set.I agree what he did is reprehensible. I am baffled as to what motivated him to post the documents on the gaming chatroom, Discord. Was it his ego leading him to bolster his self-esteem with his chat buddies? One quote from an NPR article states;
"His friends said that Teixeira did not intend for the documents to spread beyond their chat, but at least one of those friends posted them on other Discord servers." Duh!! No different than chats at the water cooler at work, right? Will they be going after that friend?
Here is the link to the NPR article;
What we know about Jack Teixeira, the suspected leaker of Pentagon documents (Apr 14, 2023)
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/14/11699527 … ument-leak
Edit: The article next has much more info on him and what took place in the chat room
Jack Teixeira: What we know about Pentagon leaks suspect by BBC News (Apr 14, 2023)
Jack Teixeira: What we know about Pentagon leaks suspect
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65271348
The very first line reads as quoted; "Friends of 21-year-old Jack Douglas Teixeira, the man accused of leaking classified US intelligence files, say he is not a whistleblower."Children often have no real idea of just how far online posts can go, and just who will end up seeing what they post. It is one of the problems parents face in raising children today.
But Teixeira was no child. He had to know that what is put online is open to the world and could very easily spread.Just to be a contrarian, and from the media descriptions I have seen . . . I wouldn't call his act reprehensible, I think that requires malicious intent. I think this 'leak' was a dumb immature act. He was trying to impress his friends. And he pouted when they didn't participate in his 'threads.'
That's not malicious, reprehensible, or even nefarious. It was simply an immature young man making a very bad life-changing decision that created very real and serious problems.
That's not a defense, it's just the context I see. He's a big boy, he's serving in the big boy's world and he knew better. He did it, he has earned his penalty. But, that penalty should reflect the difference between his acts and those of a traitor.
GAOkay . . . yet, Merriam dictionary says;
worthy of or deserving reprehension : culpable
And, for reprehension
the act of reprehending : censure
and, for rephehending
1. to reprimand or rebuke (a person)
2. to find fault with (something done); censure
and, for reprimand
a rebuke, especially an official one
He is in the military with protocols that were broken with the severity of the clearance he was granted with a stated penalty (Reprimand)
Everything else stated I pretty much agree with. I think I implied the same thing in my opening paragraph following;
"I am baffled as to what motivated him to post the documents on the gaming chatroom, Discord. Was it his ego leading him to bolster his self-esteem with his chat buddies?"Oh lordy Tsmog, now you're throwing dictionary links at me.
I shot from the hip. I thought reprehensible meant something really bad, something intentionally bad. Now you say it only means culpability. If that is how you see it, then my response was off the mark. The guy certainly was culpable.
But, in my defense, Cambridge Dictionary says "If someone's behavior is reprehensible, it is extremely bad or unacceptable." "Deplorable" is offered as a synonym. So, maybe we just use the word differently.
GAWell taken. I was kind of kidding with you, yet didn't include a ha-ha or a for jest preceding the post. I will be more careful next time. And, with sarcasm too, though I am terrible with that as I see it. I have to be careful as sarcasm can fly over my head many times.
No worries. If your response was intended to have a bit of friendly sarcasm, I missed it. That's probably not your fault.
The media is presenting their typical extrapolations. To the Right he is a whistleblowing hero and to the Left, he is another traitorous Snowden.
I don't think the known 'details,' before extrapolation, support either view. In my view of course. (no humility in my view. I'm right and everyone else is wrong*)
*Here ya go . . . ;-)
GA
There is no excuse, this A1c is not a child. I regard the breach in security on his part as as a serious matter requiring appropriate punishment.
If you truly are as experienced in the military as you say you are Credence, then you know something like this has a very high probability of being other than what is being told to the public.
How big of a deception, of what and why, will never be made clear by the government or our news media.I am not "truly" experienced, I only served for 4 years.
Mishandling and deliberate negligence of handling of classified materials remains a serious offense. I am not like the Rightwing ditto heads that want to excuse it.
If there is a viable alternative explanation, I would like to hear it and see it documented beyond some story of some kid getting carried away while being trusted with the country's most important secrets....." I am not like the Rightwing ditto heads that want to excuse it."
OK, I must ask, who in the world has shared they want to excuse this man's crime? I have not witnessed any reports that share that view. I have not seen anyone here on HP sharing that view... What did I miss
What I have seen is the Rep coming down hard on "why did this mess happen, and why is it happening more frequently? Pointing out this does not happen in other countries.
Republicans pretty much stick to the laws and enforce them.
I mean it does look pretty bad we had two presidents and one VP mishandled documents, and now this kid...
The world is watching."OK, I must ask, who in the world has shared they want to excuse this man's crime? I have not witnessed any reports that share that view. I have not seen anyone here on HP sharing that view... What did I miss"
Here is what you have missed, Sharlee
https://www.businessinsider.com/maga-wo … ker-2023-4
Your view of Republicans being basically law abiding is open to question.You offered some examples of people with views that do seem to be looking at two sides of a problem. One, Americans being lied to, two, a young man that clearly offered a look into the lies. I don't think they touched on their view if they felt the young man committed a crime. They omitted their thoughts on that part of the issue.
This young man broke the law and should be treated as the law dictates.
It well appears your examples were working to martyr this guy.The people that attempted to excuse the airman's behavior were those on the Right of the debate. We all know that it had nothing to do with whistle blowing or patriotism.
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"Rather than a feeling of grand patriotism, Teixeira was largely driven by a desire to inform and impress the mostly teenage gamers he befriended online, according to accounts by those friends reported by the Washington Post and New York Times. Known to them mostly as OG, he didn't intend for the documents to be shared across the internet to provoke a broad public debate about continued US support for the war or the gathering and dissemination of US intelligence. He also reportedly expressed racist and antisemitic views in discussions with his gamer friends."
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On top of that, he is a racist too, that means zero credibility as far as I am concerned.They don't paint a pretty picture of him... do they?
I guess its convenient that he is racist, antisemitic, a gun enthusiast, and white to boot!
They couldn't have found a better person to blame it on if they wanted to, imagine that!Right wingers, particularly racist types I have never considered to be the sharpest knives in the drawer.
More conspiracy theories that you cannot really support beyond your intuition? Now that is convenient.Dito... My god if this was not so sad, I would be laughing.
It is sad. All the focus is on this kid.
No one is outraged that we are being lied to about what is really happening in Ukraine, the lives being thrown away for an effort that has no chance of success unless America itself sends its own forces in there.
Where is the questioning about where this is headed?
Where is the anti-war, anti-WWIII protests?
Where are all these Gen Zers that are going to have to go fight this war if WWIII breaks out?
Where are the people saying ... "hey now, if Russia has all those nukes and we go and attack Russia, in Russia (and Crimea IS part of the Russian Republic) where does this lead exactly?"
Meanwhile, our Banks are on the verge of collapse, ands half the world is ditching the Dollar.It is very apparent to me, many have not or will not digest the many problems of this war. And the documents this Airman leaked show that once again we have gotten ourselves into a war that will end badly, for the US in many respects. And it does not shock me that we have been lied to about the war, and much more... I sort of expected the war was not going as reported. But for the Ukrainian people --- This is such a tragedy.
Can you imagine if Ukraine tried to recapture Crimea?
I have also been very much alarmed that our dollar will be worth much less.
Gosh, I think many are in for a rude awakening. We need to get this administration out of the White House, and hopefully undo the damage they have done. If it is not too late.
Ken, can you imagine how many bad actors copied the documents? I know they quickly spread on gamer sites. I guess we may never know how many and who now has the info.
"Discord is not the only platform where the information is spreading. Images are now circulating on much more mainstream social media platforms, such as Twitter.
It’s not clear if Twitter has plans to try to bar the spread of the images. Twitter CEO Elon Musk, who bought the platform in the fall, seemed to sarcastically brush off the idea in a tweet last week.
“Yeah, you can totally delete things from the Internet – that works perfectly and doesn’t draw attention to whatever you were trying to hide at all,” Musk tweeted. "
https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3 … -internet/
No problem, not many use Twitter .... LOL
"He also reportedly expressed racist and antisemitic views in discussions with his gamer friends."
Not sure it is fair to assume he is a racist. Unless the friends gave some examples? Have you found any evidence he was a racist?
It seems like we should wait to see what comes out of the trial.
He may well be a racist, but not sure that is what motivated him to do what he did. In my view, looks like he was after outing the Government
lies, to his peers. But who knows?He also reportedly expressed racist and antisemitic views in discussions with his gamer friends."
I am sorry to express a personal bias of mine, I don't like racists, but that does not in itself reflect on Teixiera's guilt. Right now, information indicates that he "Expressed" racist and anti Semitic views, he defines himself. Am I supposed to believe that that remains a matter of debate?
Yes,who knows? Lets get this guy in under the UCMJ, a trial to determine what really happened.
Thank you for the clarification.
It does make a difference in how you perceive things, I will keep that in mind for future discussions.
I was exposed to little "eye opening" knowledge about how the military and government really works, until I was into my 8th year of service, was an E-6, was tabbed, and successfully had completed more than one overseas tour.
Only then did I become more involved in certain activities and information than most soldiers who do not have Top-Secret or above clearances ever get access to, even if they did more years than I.
For instance, after 9/11, I was the NCOIC of the EOC for the 101st ABN... that made me responsible for all information coming into the Division Commander from both the SIPR and NIPR networks...I was screening all information coming in from all sources, be they foreign, Pentagon, or his Buddy stationed in Guam.
Information coming from the Pentagon, the 18th ABC, and everyone else you can imagine having contact with a Division Commander that is readying to deploy (vanguard) to Afghanistan and then Iraq.
There is what the MSM tells you... and then there is reality (truth).
The American population is never told the truth, they are told what to believe. Americans are told whatever they feel is necessary so that the people will accept what we do to foreign nations, or so they will believe something about a certain world leader, or politician here in the states, or some kid living in Cape Cod who supposedly had access to information that was prepared for someone higher up than a Division Commander.
It is very hard to imagine someone of that rank, a National Guardsman no less, getting access to such information... if so, things are a lot laxer in the military by a long shot than they were 25 years ago.Yes, Ken it appears that things have been getting sloppy. But this offense was not one of omission but deliberate intent.
I was in charge of a nuclear component supply depot while in the Air Force and all of my subordinates had secret and top secret clearances from Airman 1st Class and up based on the nature of the materials that they came into contact with as a function of their duties. So, it is not so unusual for someone of so junior a rank to receive such a security clearance.But it IS unusual (unheard of is more like it) for such a low ranking individual, in the NG especially, to have access to the type and quantity of information provided in this "leak".
Maybe now, perhaps, but not almost 45 years ago when I was in charge of that unit. I can't speak for the National Guard, but I can about the U.S. Air Force, circa 1978.
Maybe the kid hacked the system to obtain information he would normally not be associated with? As a video games nut with a show off type ego characteristic of young righties, he does not seem smart enough to circumvent complex systems. But I am wrong, he has a background in It and may well have the expertise to access restricted materials beyond his pay grade, he has had everyone fooled for several months.
You are a military man, do you expose sensitive national intelligence through an internet game site? There are channels, proper ones to use. More lame excuses, just like the ones Trump hides behind. When a Rightwinger gets out of line there is always a conspiracy theory on hand to explain and justify the absurd.
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/14/11699527 … ument-leak
In my humble opinion of course....So, a young kid was able to hack into the SIPR network?
If true that is even more damnable than the information he exposed.
Why did the Massachusetts air national guardsman have such apparently wide access anyway, from details of Ukrainian military vulnerabilities to surveillance of US allies?
You seem awfully willing to swallow whatever story they feed you, no matter how absurd it seems.Did a little digging, some of the documents released were from the CIA operations center, there is no way this kid got ahold of those docs.
As I said, its BS.I cannot claim to be versed in modern computer technology, but considering the Snowden case, it does not seem beyond the realm of possibility, that this could be a wunderkinder. Just like so many of your guys hung on to the most improbable idea that Trump in fact won the election in 2020?
The questions you ask are valid ones, it would seem that such information would not be available to a national guard outfit. But, they may have access to databases where the information could be found. The question has to go to how secure are our documents with fault being assigned to the entirety of our security apparatus in total.
The only story that I subscribe to is that any one mishandling classified information particularly with intent and not omission should be appropriately punished.
That is about as appropriate as some Republican coming on here and saying that all Democrats support drag queens performing lap dances for children. Just because someone in your group comes along and makes statement that most of the group does not support does not mean that there is any sort of consensus among that group.
Bravo --- group thinks is so dangerous, and it has infected many like a Virus.
"Just because someone in your group comes along and makes statement that most of the group does not support does not mean that there is any sort of consensus among that group."
I am missing your point here, Doc elaborate please.It would be wrong for me to say "All the people that voted for Biden support drag queens giving lap dances for little kids". Only some of them do, and saying "All Trump supporters are racist" or "All Biden supporters support trans competing in womens sports" is wrong.
I realize you are adamant about your support for the Democrats. That is understandable, but it is not right to condemn all Republicans for one persons views.
If you can find a part of the Republican platform that supports releasing classified military documents I would like to know.I did not condemn all Republicans, but there is a far right faction within the GOP who seeking bring Biden and his politics into the fray, have taken the focus away from the offender. That one person has in ordinate amount of influence.
https://www.businessinsider.com/maga-wo … ker-2023-4
MAGA world is more than just an opinion or two?
Very serious, especially when the documents are mishandled, and left in unsecured places.
It all seems so hypocritical, due to we have evidence many top officials took home and kept Top secret documents, and one even left them totally insecure in his garage.
Why has the media more or less buried those crimes, but took up on this kid with a vengeance?
I feel he broke the law, as did Biden taking documents when he was VP, let's toss in Pence. Trump's problem differs from Pence and Biden's problem. He claims he worked with the Archives, plus he claims two witnesses were present when he declassified the boxes. Plus he had the documents under lock and key. And actually had, and still has Secret Service guarding his home.Yes, what you say is too true. I will say that intelligence leaks, unknown to the press, have cost people their lives and put others in very dangerous situations. I agree, it is highly likely there is MUCH more to this story than the American public knows. It is being released to the public for a reason and not the reason most people think. The real reason may never be known by any of us.
So, I can agree this young man knew better, I have no doubt of that. But does your sentiment also cover Biden for taking top secret documents, and literally factually not only leaving them in three unsecured areas but moving them about to other unsecured areas, people that had to security
clearance.
I would assume by your statement you feel Bidwn should be punished by what the law permits. Due to the fact, he committed his crime while VP.
I would presume the law will prosecute him after he leaves the White House.
And yes, we have Trump and Pence to deal with, so no real reason to bring them into Biden's crime.There is a difference between omission and intent. Everyone guilty of it should be charged, but consideration is given to the situations presented. Did Pence deliberately take and conceal classified information, did Biden or Trump? This kid is involved in intent, not omission, therefore he should be punished accordingly.
I feel all four cases appear to be some form of crime. Biden and Pence, took documents when they were VPs and did not return them to the archives. Trump claims he was working to return documents, and did return at least 15 boxes. But, all appeared to have broken the law, by not handling documents as the law requires. Pence and Biden, in my view, ignored the protocol. And have now been caught., due to the Archives doing their job.
This Airman he out and out took the information and leaked it, he knew he was breaking the law.
So, in the end, did they not all break the law?
Also consider who responded when asked and who did not.
Not sure what you mean by responded? Pence found documents and notified the Archives.
Biden's lawyers found documents first in his Penn office. His Attorney reported the fin to the Archives. The documents were found in Joe's garage and a location in Chinatown.
Trump took many boxes to his home upon leaving the White House and was notified by the Archives in May 2021
"The National Archives and Records Administration, also known as NARA, emails Trump's lawyers, notifying them that some two dozen boxes of original records were not turned over"
https://www.voanews.com/a/timeline-of-t … Tower%20in
From what I see from the timeline, although Trump was having communications with the Archives, he was not cooperating in a speedy manner. At any rate, the issue is under investigation.
It will be very interesting to see what comes of all three investigations.
We live in crazy times Kathleen, I think we could agree on that.
Shar
Where our nation's security is at risk, I only hope our government has the wisdom of your premise that there is a "very high probability of being other than what is being told to the public". That is what intelligence is supposed to do. Sometimes you have to have some experience in the military to understand that.
Many young soldiers, sailors, airmen, and coast guardsmen have access to restricted materials. They don't have to hack into anything. Think of a CEO with a staff for administrative purposes. The military runs the same way, which is why this young man had a top secret clearance.
There is annual training for folks with these clearances that deals with internal threats. I'd look closely at his chain of command and who he reported to directly to see if they were lax in their responsibilities. To start with, how did he get a cell phone into a place where there was SIPR access?
But the truth is the military depends on people honoring the oaths they take. And there are severe punishments when they don't.It seems this is more difficult to explain than I had imagined.
To put it simply, it was impossible for this kid to get ahold of that swath of information based on who would have had access to it and where its sources originate from.
It is beyond the realm of possibility.
There you go, I have removed any and all ambiguity to my answer for you." it was impossible for this kid to get ahold of that swath of information based on who would have had access to it and where its sources originate from."
That may be your experience, which apparently was extensive. Thank you for your service.
But in my experience, it is not impossible.It is.
We are talking about INTERNAL Pentagon documents.
We are talking about CIA Operations documents.
This was not in the realm of this kids commanding Officer's commanding Officer's ability to see.
So, either this kid is the greatest hacker on the planet, able to gain access to the most secure networking on the planet, or he is the dupe being sacrificed for public consumption.
In the early 70's, I worked as a civilian at Strategic Air Command Headquarters and had a secret clearance with crypto access. I developed the procedures for the movement and certification of classified coding materials used in the Minuteman Missile fail-safe system. It also required that I work with the National Security Agency on "black box" equipment. It took months for an organization called DCAS to grant me that clearance. They even interviewed my relatives in Italy.
Here is my take on what I think happened with this 21 year old kid. He is probably a really great hacker and gamer. When he went to the recruiting office they immediately saw a need for his expertise. So he enlisted in the Air Force National Guard. He was assigned in September 2019 and his official job title was Cyber Transport Systems journeyman. According to the Air Force, Cyber Transport Systems specialists are tasked with making sure the service’s “vast, global communications network” is “operating properly.” In other words he is what is known in the civilian world as an IT guy..
However, he was granted a top secret clearance. With his job and that clearance he was granted access to many high-level global documents and intelligence operations. I believe and I say this with "what if", he may have been assigned to hack Russian intelligence.
This new high tech world we live in has caused some interesting things to take place in the military. They now recruit radio-control enthusiast to control drones., because of their expertise in flying model airplanes.
I was taught in my time in the Air Force and While working as a civilian on several secret projects. That you only grant access to people who have a proven need to know. That is the number 1 rule with a clearance. If you don't have a proven need to know, you don't get the information.
The granting organization is supposed to screen for a person trust and character. I worked on many secret projects where all documents are locked in file cabinets with a steel bar going through all the drawer handles. and are signed out to the user. When they are finished with them, they go back in the file cabinets under lock and key. When you arrive or leave the building, your brief case is searched.
What is not clear to me was Teixeira a part time National Guard or full time? As I understand it, if he is full time, then he is subject to the laws of the UCMJ (The Uniform Code of Military Justice) Which means not only can he be tried in a civilian court, but also a Court Martial hearing as well.
If he went to any type of orientation or training on handling secret Intelligence, equipment and material, he should have known better than to share that information with his gamer friends. Age has nothing to do with the responsibility in the military. I was in radar maintenance in the Air Force and at 19 years old, I was responsible for multi-million dollars of equipment. That is how a 21 year old Airman 1st Class can get access to all that information.You did an excellent job in explaining that.
A couple of howevers to add to that though.
As you yourself explained... your access to information is limited to where you are at, what you are doing and having a need to know.
This kid is not going to have access to internal Pentagon briefs.
This kid is not going to have access to CIA Operations Center info.
This sum of information was along the lines of briefings for the President or JCS, we are talking about intel from the DIA and CIA, the primary gatherers and producers of military intelligence in the United States.
In what world does an Airman 1st Class, in the National Guard, have access to that type of intel?" Teixeira came into intelligence through a side door as an IT technician, which enabled his access to a system holding the intelligence documents. His unit, the 102nd intelligence wing, is part of the Air Force's Distributed Common Ground System (DCGS), which processes military intelligence, including foreign imagery from drones."
https://www.military.com/daily-news/opi … xeira.html
"But before the AI ‘Insider Threat’ lobby demands more intrusive surveillance, it might be worth asking what kind of culture the digital military has been fostering"Kathleen: I just want to add to what you found out. Here is the link to the recruitment ad for Air Force, Cyber Transport Systems specialists. Look at the Career Task pop-up. It is quite telling as to how it can entice young skilled hackers/gamers to join the Air Force.
https://www.airforce.com/careers/intell … rt-systems
He was supposed to be a journeyman, but I could not find a description for a journeyman. The reason why is that all cyber transport journeyman Air Force journeyman specialty codes (AFSC) have been updated to Specialist with added responsibilities and access to more sensitive information, effective November 1, 2021
https://www.acc.af.mil/news/article/289 … ns%20AFSC.
Here is something very interesting as to why he joined the National Guard in his home state and the connection he had with his relatives at that Air Force Base. There is a lot of information in the article, so you may want to read it in sections.
https://foreverwingman.com/career_field … t-systems/At every post we were ever stationed, the civilian employees were from the "Army Town" just outside the front gate and the surrounding counties. In many cases, the post was where the good jobs were. And a lot of those GS folks had family members in the service. It's a culture. One generation after the next.
After reading the article about the services recruiting teenage "gamers", I thought about the two young men in our extended family who would fall into that category. Makes me think they need to delve more deeply into the personality traits that make up some in that group. I love those nephews. I can't swear they might not do the same thing as this airman.
This was a lonely kid on discord trying to impress others. The information sat on discord for awhile.
"The Air Force has taken away the intelligence mission from the unit where the leaks took place, Air Force leaders said Tuesday."
How is this statement not the lede in every newspaper and TV news broadcast?I think it is an important issue that should be reported widely. I feel the media sort of reports what they think we should hear.
Here is the FBI affidavit for the arrest of A/1C Jack Douglas Teixeira. Notice it actually comes from Fox News...go figure. Since he is active Air National Guard, he might also be tried in a court martial case. The document is 11 pages long because I think they wanted to cover all bases and contingencies as far as his Top Secret clearance goes. This is the real deal. Look at the stamps and seals.
https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/ … /affid.pdfSorry peoplepower, but I never considered FOX a reliable source before last week. I sure as Hell don't consider them a reliable source now or ever again.
The media is limited by time (broadcast) and space (print). They make value judgments every day that we never know about. Which is why it is interesting and important to expose ourselves to as many media outlets as we can on a daily basis.
For a broad spectrum I'd suggest at least CNN, the Drudge Report, and NPR. What three would others suggest to cover the spectrum of bias?
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