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   IslandBitesposted 13 months ago

   Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis (D) is expected to present her case this week against former President Trump over his efforts to overturn the 2020 election results in Georgia.
   
   Willis is expected to seek charges against more than a dozen individuals when her team presents its case before a grand jury next week. Several individuals involved in the voting systems breach in Coffee County are among those who may face charges in the sprawling criminal probe.
   
   Two witnesses said over the weekend said they have been asked to appear before the grand jury Tuesday, including the state’s former lieutenant governor.
   
   As Willis' announcement looms, security around the Fulton County courthouse in downtown Atlanta has been heightened ahead of the possible charges against Trump and others.

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   IslandBitesposted 13 months ago

   Trump’s legal team connected to Georgia voting system breach: report
   
   Prosecutors involved in the Georgia investigation into former President Trump’s attempts to stay in power in 2020 have obtained evidence showing a 2021 voting machine breach was part of a “top-down push” by Trump’s legal team to access sensitive voting software, according to a report published Sunday by CNN.
   
   The connection between Trump’s attorneys and the voting machine breach in Trump-friendly Coffee County in Georgia has been previously reported. In September 2022, video footage was released that showed a forensics team hired by Trump’s attorney, Sidney Powell, spent hours handling voting equipment on Jan. 7, 2021. The footage showed the team copying data from the voting machines and handling poll pads containing sensitive voter data.
   
   The new reporting from CNN, however, reveals conversations among key Trump allies ahead of the voter machine breach.
   
   According to text messages, CNN reported, a local elections official who helped facilitate the voting machine breach sent a “written invitation” to Trump’s attorneys six days ahead of the breach. Former Coffee County elections official Misty Hampton reportedly authored the letter. She, along with Rudy Giuliani and Powell, according to CNN, have been questioned on the issue.
   
   The letter giving “written invitation” to access voting machines was shared widely with a group of Trump allies, CNN reported, including with members of the firm Powell hired to help with the operation, Sullivan Strickler.
   
   Giuliani’s attorney, Robert Costello, reportedly told CNN that Giuliani “had nothing to do with this,” and, “You can’t attach Rudy Giuliani to Sidney Powell’s crackpot idea.”
   
   Text messages obtained by CNN, however, seem to reference Giuliani multiple times, referring to him as “the Mayor,” in connection with the “written invitation” and with plans for the breach. Giuliani has been informed he was a target of the investigation in Fulton County.
   
   A Jan. 1, 2021, text message from a Sullivan Strickler employee to a group chat read, “Just landed back in DC with the Mayor huge things starting to come together!” and “Most immediately, we were just granted access – by written invitation! – to Coffee County’s systems. Yay!”
   
   CNN also obtained text messages that showed efforts to gain access to the Coffee County’s voting system started in mid-December.
   
   Hampton, while serving as the top election official in the county, was spreading theories about Dominion voting machines, which caught the attention of Trump officials, who reached out to her to “obtain as much information as possible.”
   
   In early December, Hampton refused to validate the recount results in Georgia by the deadline, delaying certification of Biden’s victory. She represented the only county in Georgia that failed to certify the results of the election, CNN reported.
   
   https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 … ch-report/
   
   https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/13/poli … index.html

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      Kathleen Cochranposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Exclusive: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 … ction-2020

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   IslandBitesposted 13 months ago

   George Chidi, an Atlanta journalist subpoenaed to appear before the grand jury, has just arrived at the courthouse. He had said on social media earlier this afternoon that he would be testifying before the grand jury today, instead of Tuesday as originally expected.
   
   The presiding judge, Robert McBurney, just appeared briefly and told the deputies in his Fulton County courtroom that “we need to keep this courtroom and this courthouse open” beyond the usual closing time. It's a sign that chances are growing that an indictment in the Trump investigation could come this evening.

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   IslandBitesposted 13 months ago

   Trump team is preparing for Georgia indictment and expect charges to be delivered imminently
   
   
   Former President Donald Trump’s team is preparing for a potential indictment to be delivered imminently in the Fulton County District Attorney’s grand jury investigation into his efforts to overturn to the 2020 election results in Georgia, his advisers tell CNN.
   
   “We've already briefed our surrogates, our allies. We’ve already teed up conservative media, they've done pre-written pieces ready to pop out,” a Trump adviser told CNN.

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   IslandBitesposted 13 months ago

   Grand jury’s findings being presented to Fulton County judge
   
   Grand jury returns an indictment for 10 people
   
   
   The court clerk wrote on a certificate that the grand jury has returned an indictment. Ten people were indicted.

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      Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Now that's live!
      
      You want to wager whether Trump will go for his 4th indictment? After all of this the man has to be guilty of something.

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   Valeantposted 13 months ago

   

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   IslandBitesposted 13 months ago

   Indicted... again!
   
   Georgia grand jury indicts Trump in connection with efforts to overturn 2020 election
   
   A Georgia grand jury indicted former Trump this evening, charging him as part of a sweeping investigation into the effort by him and his allies to overturn the 2020 election.
   
   There are 19 defendants, including Trump, in the Georgia election indictment.

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   IslandBitesposted 13 months ago

   There are 19 people charged in the Georgia case, according to the indictment.
   
   Donald Trump, former US president
   
   Rudy Giuliani, Trump lawyer
   
   Mark Meadows, White House chief of staff
   
   John Eastman, Trump lawyer
   
   Kenneth Chesebro, pro-Trump lawyer
   
   Jeffrey Clark, top Justice Department official
   
   Jenna Ellis, Trump campaign lawyer
   
   Robert Cheeley, lawyer who promoted fraud claims
   
   Mike Roman, Trump campaign official
   
   David Shafer, Georgia GOP chair and fake elector
   
   Shawn Still, fake GOP elector
   
   Stephen Lee, pastor tied to intimidation of election workers
   
   Harrison Floyd, leader of Black Voices for Trump
   
   Trevian Kutti, publicist tied to intimidation of election workers
   
   Sidney Powell, Trump campaign lawyer
   
   Cathy Latham, fake GOP elector tied to Coffee County breach
   
   Scott Hall, tied to Coffee County election system breach
   
   Misty Hampton, Coffee County elections supervisor
   
   Ray Smith

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   Valeantposted 13 months ago

   And let's see if they remand Trump to jail pending trial for his blatant witness tampering:
   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7X8vdn … c2huZXI%3D

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    IslandBitesposted 13 months ago

    Trump facing RICO charge and several conspiracy charges
    
    Donald Trump was indicted on more than a dozen charges by Fulton County District Fani Willis on Monday stemming from the former president’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election in Georgia.
    
    The grand jury approved charges against Trump for a violation of Georgia’s RICO law – or Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization – which accuses Trump of being part of a broad conspiracy to attempt to overturn the election result.
    
    Additionally, Trump was charged with several counts of soliciting a public official to violate their oath. He faces charges related to false statements and writings, and to the filing of false documents as well.
    
    Prosecutors say Trump and others "joined a conspiracy to unlawfully change the outcome"
    
    In an introduction to the indictment, prosecutors allege there was a conspiracy to change the outcome of the 2020 election “in favor of” Donald Trump.
    
    “Defendant Donald John Trump lost the United States presidential election held on November 3, 2020. One of the states he lost was Georgia. Trump and the other Defendants charged in this Indictment refused to accept that Trump lost, and they knowingly and willfully joined a conspiracy to unlawfully change the outcome of the election in favor of Trump. That conspiracy contained a common plan and purpose to commit two or more acts of racketeering activity in Fulton County, Georgia, elsewhere in the State of Georgia, and in other states," the indictment reads.

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    IslandBitesposted 13 months ago

    Prosecutors allege Trump and defendants engaged in "criminal enterprise" with 30 unindicted co-conspirators
    
    The 41-count indictment unsealed Monday in Georgia accused former President Donald Trump and the other 18 defendants “unlawfully conspired and endeavored to conduct and participate in a criminal enterprise” after Trump lost the election in Georgia.
    
    The charges include False Statements and Solicitation of State Legislatures, high-ranking state officials, the creation and distribution of false electoral college documents, the harassment of election workers, the solicitation of Justice Department officials, the solicitation of then-Vice President Mike Pence, the unlawful breach of election equipment, and acts of obstruction.

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    IslandBitesposted 13 months ago

    Trump was charged with 13 counts in the 41-count indictment leveled against 19 defendants.
    
    Here's a list of the charges against Trump:
    
    Count 1: Violation of the Georgia RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations) Act
    
    Count 5: Solicitation of violation of oath by a public officer
    
    Count 9: Conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer
    
    Count 11: Conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree
    
    Count 13: Conspiracy to commit false statements and writings
    
    Count 15: Conspiracy to commit filing false documents
    
    Count 17: Conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree
    
    Count 19: Conspiracy to commit false statements and writings
    
    Count 27: Filing false documents
    
    Count 28: Solicitation of violation of oath by a public officer
    
    Count 29: False statements and writings
    
    Count 38: Solicitation of violation of oath by a public officer
    
    Count 39: False statements and writings

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       peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

       Here is the full 98 page indictment.  All one has to do is read the introduction to get a good picture of the charges. I think the RICO charges are a means of corralling all the underlings and Trump all in one charge.
       
       https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 … =url-share

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          Kathleen Cochranposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          What folks need to pay attention to is the change of venue motion. Most of the state is reliably red. Metro Atlanta is where the democrats are.

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             wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

             By all means keep it where the large majority of potential jurors are highly biased against the defendant!

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             Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

             Perhaps I am misunderstanding your comment.   Simply,  what is your logic?

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                Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                It is just that a justified case for change of venue is more involved than disqualifying an entire city due to how politically most of its citizens vote. As I understand it, the trial is to take place in the jurisdiction where the alleged crime occurred?

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    Valeantposted 13 months ago

    Voting for an opposing political candidate is now defined as high bias by the far-right, apparently.

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       wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

       As is not living life on the "TRUMP EVIL AND GUILTY!" bandwagon for liberals.

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          Valeantposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Apparently it must be a new thing that Americans are suddenly unable to set aside their politics to judge a case based on the facts.  Or just a new thing among some Americans who don't think that that will be possible because everything is 'rigged' against them.

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             MizBejabbersposted 13 months agoin reply to this

             And consider that there are some people who will not accept the facts when confronted with them.

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    Kathleen Cochranposted 13 months ago

    Wilderness: A point of interest.
    
    I think it appropriate for the jurors to be pulled from the population that would have had their votes voided if Trump had been successful.

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       GA Andersonposted 13 months agoin reply to this

       Also a point of interest: Consider the implied bias in your reasoning; '. . . population that would have had their votes voided"
       
       Charitably that could be read as pulled from the pool affected. Contrarily it could also be read as pulled from a pool of angry folks. The 'charitable read'wasn't the first to come to mind.
       
       A layman's view probably thinks the juror pool should come from where the indictment is filed. There may be many reasons that doesn't always work, but it seems sensible to a non-legal mind.
       
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          Kathleen Cochranposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          GA: My thoughts. Maybe I should have used the word, ironic, instead of appropriate. Thank goodness the law isn't based on one person's thoughts.
          
          Trump may ask for a change of venue "in hopes of a friendlier jury pool ". I wonder where he thinks he will find that? If I were him, I'd try for Floyd County, GA - the home of Marjorie Taylor Greene.

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             GA Andersonposted 13 months agoin reply to this

             Yep, "ironic" would have worked.
             
             GA

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                Kathleen Cochranposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                GA: I've been a professional writer - of one kind or other - my entire adult life. You can always use an editor. Thanks

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                   GA Andersonposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                   It looks like an explanation is needed, not as a defense, but of my motivation.
                   
                   I wasn't really criticizing your writing. I was just taking a poke at the appearance of a possible 'Freudian slip'. It was just a little jab that your anti-Trump leaning was showing in the word choice of the line about who the jury pool should be — the folks that would have been harmed.
                   
                   I can even add spray a little gas on the fire . . . either choice gets a chuckle from me. As in; the 'frontier justice' of a jury from the folks that would be mad about his efforts, and also; the irony of being judged by the folks he tried to dupe.
                   
                   GA

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                      Kathleen Cochranposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                      "I wasn't really criticizing your writing."
                      
                      DSTSS: Don't sweat the small stuff.

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                      peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                      GA:  I remember once you told me to put down the shovel, you are digging yourself deeper.  I think that is what you are doing now.. LOL.

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                         GA Andersonposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                         Yep, but I stopped in time.
                         
                         GA

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                      Kathleen Cochranposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                      GA: " I was just taking a poke at the appearance of a possible 'Freudian slip'. It was just a little jab that your anti-Trump leaning was showing in the word choice of the line about who the jury pool should be — the folks that would have been harmed."
                      
                      Exactly why every writer (especially a reporter) needs an editor. "Freudian slips" and other unconscious word choices slip into news articles because it is human nature. It is why having someone else read what you write before it is published is so vital. This is my major objection to folks who get their "news" and "facts" from bloggers who answer to nobody. And it is why so many politicians get in the most trouble when they really screw up and say what they actually think.

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                         GA Andersonposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                         Sounds right. From what I see, in almost all media outlet presentations, they must have a lot of vacant editors' chairs. And the need seems to be a bipartisan one.
                         
                         GA

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                         MizBejabbersposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                         That is a good assessment, Kathleen. I've occupied all three positions, copyeditor, reporter, and anchor. The positions of broadcast reporter and anchor didn't have an editor. We were at the mercy of the news director, even at the Arkansas Radio Network where I worked for several years as anchor/reporter. The copyeditor position was at the Arkansas Democrat, a very Republican newspaper, I might add, and three years was about all I could stomach of the place. By the way several years after I left there, Tucker Carlson became one of their reporters. I never had the dubious honor of meeting the man.

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                            Kathleen Cochranposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                            Sometimes I read an article and want to ask, "Where the heck was their editor?!" As in everything everywhere, there are good ones and bad ones. I once worked for a daily paper in metro Atlanta where the publisher routinely stood over the shoulder of a reporter as he/she wrote their story.
                            
                            Bias is human nature. There used to be safeguards like the Fairness Doctrine, but the ending of that (thank you Reagan) opened the floodgates to "flavors" of media, talk radio and commentary disguised as discussion panels, and unchallenged lies.
                            
                            Still, do you miss it everyday? I do. Except payday.

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                               peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                               I miss the one hour newscast of Walter Cronkite and the Huntley/Brinkley Report, Those were real unbiased newscasts.  Notice, I saId newscast, not shows with panels and talking heads. 
                               
                               That what we have today,.Thanks to Reagan for removing the Fairness Doctrine; Ted Turner for the 24 hour news cycle; and Rupert Murdoch for Fox News.  It's all about selling commercial time.

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                               MizBejabbersposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                               Yes ma'm, I do miss it every day. I missed it during the nearly 30 years that I worked as a legal editor for the State of Arkansas, but I truly loved that job too. I got out of media and went to work for the state for two reasons: 1. the bean counters had taken over the broadcast media and it wasn't fun anymore. Everything was going computerized and salaries were being lowered as a result. At one place I found another job and gave my notice the day before I was to be terminated and replaced by a greenhorn who agreed to a salary of $1,000 a month. 2. I was getting a little long in the tooth and realized that I had no pension plan so I went to work for the state. It was the best career move I ever made. After 30 years I retired with a great pension.

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       Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

       OMG...you really need to explain this comment. It really reads odd.

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          Kathleen Cochranposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Shar: Who are you addressing this comment to?

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    Credence2posted 13 months ago

    Drat, foiled again.
    
    Trump's newest stunt of diversion and delay in the Fulton County cAse may well work..
    
    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/1 … t-00111240

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       Valeantposted 13 months agoin reply to this

       Except Trump is not a government official, he is a private citizen when charged.

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          Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Acknowledged,
          
          But do you think that Trump will play on his past status as President and have a case? He can't use that for his troubles in New York as the events and related charges occurred before he became President (officer of the Federal Government)
          
          "To try to get the case into federal court, Trump is expected to argue that much of the conduct he’s been charged with was undertaken in his capacity as an officer of the federal government, because he was still president during the critical period when he and his allies attempted to subvert the 2020 election results. A federal law, known as a “removal statute,” generally allows any “officer of the United States” who is prosecuted or sued in state court to transfer the case to federal court if the case stems from the officer’s governmental duties."

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             Valeantposted 13 months agoin reply to this

             And yet, Georgia can argue that trying to overturn an election was not part of his governmental duties.

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                Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Hopefully, they will and it will stick.....

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             MizBejabbersposted 13 months agoin reply to this

             "as an officer of the federal government" is a two-edged sword. It should play against him on the Jan. 6 charges.

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    Valeantposted 13 months ago

    Former Trump Lawyer Ty Cobb says the document Trump plans to release on Monday will likely lead to charges for the author.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyJ6E_4 … 8gY2hhbmNl

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    Valeantposted 13 months ago

    Yeah, Kathleen.  Learn to write how the queen of the forums demands you to write.

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       Kathleen Cochranposted 13 months agoin reply to this

       We had a saying in the newsroom.
       
       The strongest human urge is not for food or sex. It is the urge to edit someone else's copy.

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          Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Kathleen, I deleted my tip.  Should have known it might cause a hissy fit. Although I loved being called "the Queen". 
          
          I jumped in where I should not have infringed on the conversation that GA and you were having.   I'm regretful --  Shar

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             Kathleen Cochranposted 13 months agoin reply to this

             Shar: I'll take a helpful word from any quarter. I think of most things in life as only "a first draft".

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                Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Love that sentiment --- I will admit, I most likely will borrow it.  Hey, I was just caught misusing "versus," not "verses."   Yes, so please have a snicker on me.   
                
                Thank you for being kind. Shar

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    IslandBitesposted 13 months ago

    Trump supporters post names and addresses of Georgia grand jurors online
    
    The purported names and addresses of members of the grand jury that indicted Donald Trump and 18 of his co-defendants on state racketeering charges this week have been posted on a fringe website that often features violent rhetoric, NBC News has learned.
    
    NBC News is choosing not to name the website featuring the addresses to avoid further spreading the information.
    
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald … rcna100239
    
    The grand juror's purported addresses were spotted by Advance Democracy, Inc., a non-partisan research group founded by Daniel J. Jones, a former FBI investigator and staffer for the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
    
    The grand jurors have come under attack in the days since Trump's indictment, the fourth criminal indictment brought against the twice-impeached former president.
    
    “These jurors have signed their death warrant by falsely indicting President Trump," read one post on a pro-Trump forum in response to a post including the names of jurors, which was viewed by NBC News.

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    Valeantposted 13 months ago

    Considering the election wasn't even called yet and Roger Stone is dictating the fake elector plot on camera and Don Jr. is texting Meadows to execute it, pretty sure the conspiracy evidence is pretty damning as to intent.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bjA9lm … luZw%3D%3D

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    Credence2posted 13 months ago

    https://www.npr.org/2023/08/17/11945359 … quest-2026
    
    Trump lawyers ask to push back federal election subversion trial to April 2026?
    
    The absolute gall of this man is beyond belief....

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       Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

       Next he'll ask for the venue to be on Mars.

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          Credence2posted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Send Trump to the Martians? That would be the grounds for another "War Between the Worlds". There has to be some prohibition in the Geneva Convention regarding this?
          
          It irritating that Trump seems to think that the legal actions related to his alleged crimes, prosecutions and indictments should all be put on hold to accommodate his campaign plans and itinerary. Justice be done, I don't give a rats a$$ about his campaigning, and I hope that the judges continue to express the same sentiment. He has so many elaborate ruses to try an attempt to get a stay of execution and cheat the hangman.
          
          What I have trouble getting through that dense grey matter between the ears of Republicans/conservatives and not expressed no where clearly enough through Lily livererd  mainstream media is that the alleged crimes committed by Trump go far beyond being that of "political differences", but undermines the fundamental systems of how we govern ourselves and MUST be punished.

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          MizBejabbersposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          

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    IslandBitesposted 12 months ago

    “A Large, Complex, Detailed but Irrefutable REPORT on the Presidential Election Fraud which took place in Georgia is almost complete & will be presented by me at a major News Conference at 11:00 A.M. on Monday of next week in Bedminster, New Jersey. Based on the results of this CONCLUSIVE Report, all charges should be dropped against me & others — There will be a complete EXONERATION!”
    
    But...
    
    Wah wah wah waaaahhhh
    
    Trump scraps plans to release 'irrefutable report' claiming election fraud in Georgia
    
    Former President Donald Trump said Thursday he will no longer hold an event to present what he called an “irrefutable report” about the 2020 election in Georgia.
    
    In a Truth Social post Thursday evening, Trump canceled Monday’s event and said the report would not be released that day, either.
    
    “Rather than releasing the Report on the Rigged & Stolen Georgia 2020 Presidential Election on Monday, my lawyers would prefer putting this, I believe, Irrefutable & Overwhelming evidence of Election Fraud & Irregularities in formal Legal Filings,” he wrote in the post. “Therefore, the News Conference is no longer necessary!”
    
    Contacted about the ABC report earlier Thursday, two Trump allies expressed relief at the prospect of the event’s cancellation.
    
    

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       Credence2posted 12 months agoin reply to this

       So much for irrefutable, let's make the rope knot good and strong, it's got to hold the weight of a pig.

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          Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          That comment is right up there with DeSantis saying he's going to slit some throats of bureaucrats if he gets elected.

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       Willowarborposted 12 months agoin reply to this

       And this is the man that could potentially get 30% of the nation's vote? This is the man Republicans choose to rally behind? Have people lost their ever- loving minds? Trump has not a shred of morality, character or decency. This run for office is nothing more than a fundraising scheme to pay his legal bills and to try and stay out of jail.

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          Kathleen Cochranposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Asa Hutchinson was on a show this morning making a very good point. He supported Trump as president. It's his behavior since he lost that he cannot support. I suspect there are many who are inclined to feel the same, they just can't separate the two Trumps
          
          Yes, many of us see the same Trump all along. But we're not republicans to begin with.

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             MizBejabbersposted 12 months agoin reply to this

             I worked under Governor Hutchinson before I retired as the senior legal editor for the state legislature (non-attorney editor). He is a very nice man, but I didn't vote for him nor can I vote for him as president. I do feel like he did a good job of handling covid while he was governor. I am glad that he has seen Trump for what he is.

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                Kathleen Cochranposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                I left before newspapers started disappearing - no pension or 401K. I left for a chance to be press secretary for a congressional candidate who lost. I felt like I'd blown my cover for objectivity and moved on to not-for-profit work. Better salary and benefits but only stayed about 10 years before I turned to full-time writing. It's been fun and more financially rewarding than newspapers - but reporting/editing is still my favorite career.

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                   Kathleen Cochranposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                   Sorry everybody. Misbejabbers and I should have taken our conversation to e-mail.

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                      GA Andersonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                      Yeah, tangents are kinda frowned upon around here lately. They used to be as interesting and lively as the main topic.
                      
                      But as long as you're being bad . . .  Fix this sentence for me. The word choice carries the tone of the message but it doesn't feel right, and Grammerly's suggestion changes the tone.
                      
                      "Yeah, tangents are kinda frowned upon around here lately. "
                      
                      GA ;-)

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                         Kathleen Cochranposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                         When a sentence was tortured, I used to ask my reporter to simply rewrite it. You shouldn't have to read a sentence twice to understand it.
                         
                         Personally, I think discussions should go where they will regardless of anyone's "stay on point" theory. But Mizjab and my back-and-forth was getting really personal, and we shouldn't have hijacked the discussion.
                         
                         It is interesting to learn another hubber's history, though. It helps you understand where they are coming from. (Sorry. I know a preposition is a word you never end a sentence with!)

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                            Kathleen Cochranposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                            Mizjab, I will be watching for your posts from a war buddy!

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                               MizBejabbersposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                               Thanks, Kathleen.
                               
                               GA, sorry we hit a sensitive nerve, but their frequency in other forums caused me not to notice that anyone frowned upon them.

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                                  GA Andersonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                                  Hold on, wait a minute . . . ya got me all wrong. I'm not the one with sensitive nerves.
                                  
                                  I'm all for tangents. Adherence scoldings and admonishments are good for SMH chuckles. Indignation is almost always funny.
                                  
                                  GA

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                                     Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                                     I must say glad to see you are amused. You rarely share or join in, guess I now know why.
                                     
                                     Cough Cough ... and a big whatever.

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                                        GA Andersonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                                        What is the "why" you have guessed, and who told you that you "must" say you are glad?
                                        
                                        I don't have much luck with sarcasm, it usually backfires on me.
                                        
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                                           MizBejabbersposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                                           Sorry, but you are right. The mild mannered GA isn't the best at sarcasm. I guess I misunderstood. Just keep being yourself, GA. No harm done.
                                           
                                           I will attempt to fix your sentence for you though:
                                           
                                           "Yeah, tangents are kinda frowned upon around here lately. "
                                           
                                           Just move one word and I think it will pass:  Yeah, lately tangents are kinda frowned upon around here.
                                           
                                           It's a casual sentence anyway. So it doesn't take much work.

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                                              GA Andersonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                                              Yep, that move worked. Thanks.
                                              
                                              A mild-mannered GA isn't as much fun as the old GA. More rational, but not as much fun.
                                              
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    Valeantposted 12 months ago

    Moving on from all the professional editors in this thread, here is a quote from the Georgia GOP Chair:
    
    "Attorneys for the President and Mr. Shafer specifically instructed Mr. Shafer, verbally and in writing, that the Republican electors' meeting and casting their ballots on December 14, 2020 was consistent with counsels' advice and was necessary to preserve the presidential election contest," they added.
    
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/could-devast … 32176.html

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    IslandBitesposted 12 months ago

    Former Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows surrenders at Fulton County jail
    
    
    
    Former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows surrendered to authorities at the Fulton County jail Thursday afternoon, according to jail records.
    
    Meadows is charged alongside 18 other defendants – including former President Trump – in a sweeping racketeering case brought by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis (D) that claims they participated in a criminal enterprise to overturn Georgia’s 2020 election results and keep Trump in power.

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    IslandBitesposted 12 months ago

    Detained Trump co-defendant was arrested earlier this year
    
    Harrison Floyd, a leader of Black Voices for Trump who was indicted in the Georgia election case, was arrested earlier this year for allegedly assaulting an FBI agent, court filings show.
    
    In February, Floyd was arrested in Maryland after he allegedly assaulted an FBI agent who was serving him a grand jury subpoena, according to court filings.
    
    The Washington Post, which first reported the arrest, indicated the subpoena was for special counsel Jack Smith’s investigation into the 2020 election, citing two people familiar with the matter. Trump was indicted in that case earlier this month.
    
    According to an affidavit, Floyd screamed profanities and assaulted an FBI agent when he and another agent showed up to Floyd’s apartment in Rockville, Md., located in the suburbs of the nation’s capital.
    
    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-ba … this-year/

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    Kathleen Cochranposted 12 months ago

    Fun Facts to know and tell: The Fulton County jail is right next door to my husband's family business - a fuel systems installation company. They sold it during Bush II's financial crisis in the mid-1990s.So glad none of us are there today!

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    IslandBitesposted 12 months ago

    Trump booked at Atlanta jail on election charges, heads home
    
    
    Inmate No. P01135809
    
    
    ATLANTA, Aug 24 (Reuters) - Donald Trump left an Atlanta jail after he was booked on more than a dozen felony charges on Thursday as part of a wide-ranging criminal case stemming from the former U.S. president's attempts to overturn his 2020 election defeat in Georgia.
    
    Authorities had said they expected to take Trump's mug shot at Fulton County Jail - a first for Trump, who did not have to sit for a photograph when making initial appearances in three other criminal cases.

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       Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

       Biden should go Dark Brandon and make this photo Trump's commemorative White House portrait.

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          IslandBitesposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          From now on they should reference him as Inmate No. P01135809. No photo, though. He likes that kind of shit. He loves to see his face everywhere.

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          IslandBitesposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          When asked about the mug shot, Biden told reporters, “I did see it on television. Handsome guy.”
          
          

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             Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

             Finally understand why he made that face...
             
             

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    IslandBitesposted 12 months ago

    Inmate No. P01135809
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    MAGA!!

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       IslandBitesposted 12 months agoin reply to this

       MAGA!
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       

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    Willowarborposted 12 months ago

    He's already created merch. It is captioned "never surrender".... With the mugshot of him.... SURRENDERING

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       IslandBitesposted 12 months agoin reply to this

       Yep

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    Sharlee01posted 12 months ago

    A picture is worth a 1000 words ...
    
    
    Two and two equals 22...

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    Willowarborposted 12 months ago

    A federal judge on Wednesday found Giuliani liable in a defamation lawsuit brought by two Georgia election workers who say they were falsely accused of fraud, ruling that the former New York city mayor gave “only lip service” to complying with his legal obligations while trying to portray himself as the victim in the case. Boo Hoo Rudy. I'm hoping he faces significant damages. Defaming people in this way is reprehensible.
    
    My only question, why hasn't Trump been brought in on this?
    
    "Trump himself singled out Freeman, by name, 18 times in a now-famous call in which he pressed Georgia officials to alter the state’s results. He called the 62-year-old temp worker a “professional vote scammer,” a “hustler” and a “known political operative” who “stuffed the ballot boxes.”
    
    This man's behavior and character really is beneath the office of the President.
    
    https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp … s-georgia/

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    Valeantposted 12 months ago

    Jen Psaki really nails how Meadows broke the law and the case should stay at the state level:
    
    In text messages with Mike Lee on December 8, 2020:
    
    Lee: 'If a very small handful of states were to have their legislatures appoint alternative slates of delegates, there could be a path.'
    
    Meadows: 'I am working on that as of yesterday.'
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl53fwc … 93cw%3D%3D

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    IslandBitesposted 12 months ago

    Judge says Trump’s Georgia trial will be livestreamed, televised
    
    Court proceedings in the election interference case against former President Trump and 18 co-defendants in Fulton County, Ga., will be televised and livestreamed, a judge ruled Thursday.
    
    Judge Scott McAfee, the judge overseeing the case, said all hearings and trials will be broadcast on the Fulton County Court YouTube channel, according to multiple outlets. He also said pool coverage for broadcast news media will be allowed.

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    IslandBitesposted 12 months ago

    Fulton County grand jury recommended charges against Lindsey Graham, Georgia senators
    
    A Fulton County, Ga., grand jury suggested charges for a more sweeping group of allies of former President Trump — including three U.S. senators — as it evaluated charging recommendations for those involved with election interference after he lost the 2020 contest.
    
    Included among the list of recommended indictments were two former senators from Georgia who ran for reelection in 2020, former Sens. David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, as well as Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), and Georgia Lt. Gov Burt Jones.
    
    The report, released in full Friday after a failed effort from Trump to bar its sharing, details the May charging recommendations from a group of 22 jurors tasked with hearing evidence in the case.
    
    The grand jury also recommended charges for Boris Epshteyn, a longtime aide to Trump, who was not charged by Willis but is listed as a not yet indicted co-conspirator in the federal Jan. 6 case.
    
    READ: Judge releases Fulton County grand jury report on 2020 Georgia election interference

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    IslandBitesposted 11 months ago

    Trump co-defendant pleads guilty in Georgia election case
    
    ATLANTA — Scott Hall, one of the 18 defendants charged along with former President Donald Trump for allegedly interfering with the 2020 presidential election results in Georgia, pleaded guilty to the charges against him Friday.
    
    Hall is the first defendant to enter a plea in the case.
    
    Under the terms of an agreement with Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis's office, Hall pleaded guilty to two counts of conspiracy to commit election fraud, conspiracy to commit computer theft, conspiracy to commit computer trespass, conspiracy to commit computer invasion of privacy, and conspiracy to defraud the state.
    
    Under the terms of the deal, he's being sentenced to five years probation, and agreed to "testify truthfully in this case and all further proceedings."
    
    Hall, 59, is a bail bondsman who was hit with charges relating to a voting system breach in Georgia’s Coffee County in early 2021. He was also the first of the 19 defendants charged in the case to surrender last month.
    
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald … rcna118140

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       wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

       I think I would have pled guilty, too, whether guilty or not.  5 years probation is a exceedingly small price to pay to stay away from the juggernaut chasing Trump.

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          Ken Burgessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          So true.
          
          Funny how that works.
          
          
          
          

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          peoplepower73posted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Under the terms of the plea deal, he will also have to write an apology letter to the state for his conduct, pay a $5,000 fine, serve 200 hours of community service and provide the DA's office with a recorded statement, which he has already done.

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          Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Most certainly.

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