Democrats destroying the concept of Citizenship

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  1. Ken Burgess profile image73
    Ken Burgessposted 4 months ago

    Why do Democrats refer to undocumented individuals (aka migrants) as citizens?

    To abolish the concept of citizenship.

    ‘Democratic citizenship’ puts emphasis on citizens' duties and the expectation that they be active in society.

    In order to do this, they must be familiar with and respect the institutions, social norms and laws of a democracy: the electoral system, freedom of speech, information, association and the rights of their fellow citizens.

    Illegal Immigrants have no experience with this, they do not understand the culture, language, laws or historical references that make up a nation's social fabric.  This is why our nation, which has always allowed legal immigration, placed emphasis on those coming here to show a willingness and ability to learn about our laws, history, and swear an Oath.

    Open borders have undermined the idea of allegiance to a particular place.

    Identity politics have eradicated our collective civic sense of self.

    And a top-heavy administrative state has endangered personal liberty, along with formal efforts to weaken the Constitution.

    In this thread I want to discuss the monumental damage one Presidency has done to America and how through its negligence, corruption and deliberate efforts to undermine America as a Sovereign Nation the Biden Administration has us teetering on the brink of disaster.

    Specifically, I would like to focus on the disappearance of the Citizen, the benefits and rights of being a Citizen, and how that will impact our future, comparing it to similar events in history.

    I welcome your thoughts.

    1. wilderness profile image96
      wildernessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Along with the benefits and rights of being a Citizen comes the duties and responsibilities as well.

      "Give me liberty or give me death"

      “Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.”

      "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."

      These kinds of quotes are no long popular, are no longer a part of our culture.  Instead we find our liberty slowly chipped away, destroyed piece by piece...and celebrate it when it happens.

      We don't ask what we can do for our country; we do whatever we can to weasel out of our civic duty.  From serving on jury duty to military service, we twist and turn until we no longer have that particular duty.

      We don't promote love, but instead hate.  From those dividing the country over a President from the wrong party to those unable to comprehend that not everyone agrees that a fertilized egg is a child, hatred is flung about freely with little attempt at understanding and loving those that walk a slightly different path.

      But it is not the "Biden Administration" at the root - that is merely the (temporary) head of the snake.  It will grow others over time.

      No, it is the laziness, the self serving, the lack of care for others and, perhaps most of all, the inability or unwillingness to look beyond today that is the root of the problem.  Yes, the very concept of citizenship in our nation is rapidly dying out in favor of the concept that ALL people, whether neighbor or enemy is entitled to the riches the American citizen produces.  That citizen is fast becoming no more than a cog in the wheels of political power; is it any wonder that citizenship is no longer valued or reserved as it should be?

      1. Ken Burgess profile image73
        Ken Burgessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        Interesting viewpoint.

        Consider this:

        Almost two thousand years ago a Roman emperor (198 to 217 AD), issued the Constitutio Antoniniana in 212 AD. Commonly known as Caracalla’s Citizenship Edict.

        This decree granted Roman citizenship to virtually all free inhabitants of the Roman Empire.

        Before the edict, Roman citizenship was a privilege.

        Although the number of citizens had been expanding since the days of the Roman Republic, many people living within the borders of the Roman Empire were non-citizens.

        These peregrini did not enjoy the full legal and social benefits of citizenship, such as the right to vote or protection under Roman law.

        Roman citizenry constituted a minority (about 8% of the population) in the Empire, and it was hard to join, but a great prize to do so.

        If you gained it through service, as a veteran auxiliary, you would have become Romanized during your 25 years of service, because you always imitated your superiors, who were citizens.

        Roman citizenry held all high positions in the senate, army and administration, therefore, the Empire (in spite of a few civil wars), was kept tolerably stable and prosperous by the few who generally valued it most, understood its nature better than others and defended it.

        After the edict, Roman citizenry was the majority, and no longer a privilege or prize to gain.

        Instead of smaller numbers of new citizens being Romanized by larger numbers of old citizens, as before the edict, a huge number people became citizens overnight. (similar to the millions pouring into America)

        These new citizens gradually barbarized the small number of old citizens. (you see this in art, literature, military equipment, religious cults, vulgar Latin and everything else in Roman culture).

        This new citizenry aimed at the army to gain the highest positions, because they could not so easily compete for the senate and administrative positions, controlled mostly by old citizenry and requiring of education and familiarization of laws and regulations.

        These new citizens did not care for the Roman name or understood what made it great. Hence, it continued to be barbarized.  The Roman culture and exceptionalism that made is so powerful was washed out, the incentive for the best and brightest to strive and sacrifice to become a Citizen was done away with.

        1. Kathleen Cochran profile image76
          Kathleen Cochranposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          Y'all sure use words like "destroy" a lot.

    2. Sharlee01 profile image89
      Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

      In my view, it's important to clarify the distinction between undocumented individuals and citizens, as well as to address concerns about the erosion of citizenship and its implications.

      The term "undocumented individuals" is used to describe people who are residing in a country without proper legal documentation, such as visas or citizenship. It's not accurate to refer to them as citizens, as citizenship implies legal recognition and rights within a nation-state.
      The concept of citizenship is fundamental to the functioning of a democracy. Democratic citizenship entails not only rights but also responsibilities and active participation in society. Citizens are expected to understand and respect the institutions, laws, and social norms of their country, including its electoral system, freedom of speech, and the rights of fellow citizens.

      Illegal immigrants certainly may lack experience with democratic citizenship because they often do not have the opportunity to fully integrate into society due to their legal status. This can hinder their understanding of the culture, language, laws, and history of the country they reside in.

      However, it's crucial to recognize that not all undocumented individuals choose to remain uninformed or disregard the laws of their host country. Many aspire to contribute positively to their communities and may seek legal avenues for legal status and citizenship.

      Concerns about the erosion of citizenship and the impact of identity politics are valid. Citizenship is not just a legal status but also a sense of belonging and allegiance to a particular nation. Open borders and identity politics can very much challenge this sense of collective identity and weaken the social fabric of our nation.

      When discussing the Biden administration, it's crucial to engage in constructive discourse regarding its policies and the potential consequences they entail. It's equally important to prioritize evidence-based analysis of the outcomes resulting from Biden's policies. The current challenges we face can be attributed to what some perceive as poor decision-making or a lack thereof during Biden's tenure, which spans over three years. Despite having control of Congress for a significant period early in his presidency, Biden's focus appeared directed towards issues perceived as less urgent by some observers.

      1. Ken Burgess profile image73
        Ken Burgessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        True, but it is important for people to understand these were not mistakes, they were choices made.... deliberate and with intent. Such as:

        Joining the UN Global Compact on Migration.
        Joining the Paris Accord
        Forwarding UN Agenda 2030 goals

        All one has to do is read the White House releases, listen to what Biden campaigned on, read the UN releases on the Global Compact, on what they are budgeting (1.5 billion for 2024 to aid migrants to reach America).

        This is not a "crisis at the border" this is an invasion propagated by the Biden Administration, including flying in over 350,000 migrants by plane.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image89
          Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

          Embracing the UN Global Compact on Migration, signing onto the Paris Accord, and advocating for UN Agenda 2030 goals seemed like bold steps, but they've backfired. Social media is abuzz with sentiments that prioritize domestic issues over global commitments. Many are urging leadership to address domestic concerns rather than focusing on international agendas. It appears that what was dubbed as a 'new world order' by some, has not resonated well with the American public. These initiatives, labeled as ploys by critics, failed to gain traction and were unable to garner widespread support among Americans.

          I still hold faith in a majority of Americans being well intelligent enough to see Biden, as a disaster, a man that has caused such a horendous crisis in our nation, that they want to see the back end of him.

          1. Ken Burgess profile image73
            Ken Burgessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            They didn't backfire.

            They always called for the subordination of America to higher authority.

            They are agreements that go against the Sovereignty of the Nation and the interests of the American Citizen.

            There was no ambiguity to them, merely a whole lot of reading to consume to get to the bottom line of what they really intend.

            1. Sharlee01 profile image89
              Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

              I'm not sure about Ken, but the Global Compact on Migration operates under the premise that migration is a global issue necessitating international collaboration. However, it seems that this ideology isn't widely accepted based on US polls. Countries like Germany, France, and various EU nations express frustration with the consequences of open borders. While the concept initially seemed appealing, they're now grappling with the repercussions of that decision. 

              Biden's mishandling of the immigration situation stands out as one of his major failures, likely to be a key point of critique against him.

              Biden's ambitious Green project hasn't lived up to expectations. Overborrowing has led to limited progress in realizing his green vision, and a poor economy.

              Overall, I don't see any victories for Joe Biden across the board. His failures, coupled with excessive spending, have had negative repercussions on his administration.

              As for the UN, many Americans are growing disillusioned with their perceived inaction and high costs. There's a sentiment that their headquarters should be relocated out of the US due to their perceived inefficiency and high expenses.

              1. Ken Burgess profile image73
                Ken Burgessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                It seems to be an American & European "collaboration" only.

                China is not taking in migrants, Japan is not taking in migrants, etc.

                We cannot save the world when our own Nation is tumbling down.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image89
                  Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  Completely agree... We can only hope more citizens wake up and have a close look at what path we choose to follow. I for one at this point am all about America, and not much interested in joining a global makeover. Hey, let them handle the problems they created.

                2. Sharlee01 profile image89
                  Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  Ken,   This is a subject that not many touch on here on HP's, and is in my view, the most detrimental problem facing the Nation. The ballooning deficit in America poses a significant threat to the country's long-term survival at this point.

                  Our high deficit continues to imply heavy reliance on borrowing to finance government spending, which leads to an ever-increasing national debt.  None more than with this administration. As interest payments on this debt grow, they have consumed a larger portion of the federal budget, leaving less room for essential expenditures such as infrastructure, education, and healthcare. This in my view, has hindered the country's ability to invest in its future. It is clear the current administration is more about borrowing cash to support global issues and could care little about America's pressing problems, and needs.

                  The large deficit has worked to weaken confidence in the economy, both domestically and internationally. Investors may become concerned about the American government's ability to manage its finances, leading to higher borrowing costs and a potential loss of trust in the stability of the U.S. dollar. Which we have seen happening.  This could trigger economic instability and reduce America's standing as a haven for investment. I have lived in Mexico for part of our winters for some years now, and our dollar here has fallen like a stone this year...  A sign that yes, our dollar is truely not respected as it once had been.

                  Our high deficit limits the government's flexibility to respond to unforeseen events or economic downturns. In times of crisis, such as natural disasters or recessions, policymakers may need to implement stimulus measures or provide assistance to affected individuals and businesses. However, if the deficit is already at unsustainable levels, these options become constrained, potentially exacerbating the impact of crises.

                  One must also face, an excessively high deficit can have intergenerational implications, burdening future generations with the costs of servicing the debt. As interest payments rise, resources that could otherwise be invested in education, infrastructure, or innovation are diverted to debt repayment, hampering economic growth and reducing opportunities for future prosperity. We are virtually taking away our young ability to thrive, in my view.

                  America's burgeoning deficit represents a grave threat to the country's survival by undermining economic stability, eroding confidence, limiting policy options, and burdening future generations with unsustainable levels of debt.

                  We need new leadership, and we need it fast... Ken, it is so obviously clear to me that many Americans have been so dummied down, that they don't recognize the huge problems the Nation is facing.

                  1. Ken Burgess profile image73
                    Ken Burgessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                    What we have are a lot of highly educated individuals trying to do what they believe is right. 

                    Lets call them the establishment/DEI/Social-Justice supporters.

                    Then you have the majority of Americans that have not been indoctrinated with DEI/Social-Justice and think its BS, they think Equity not Equality is BS, and so on.

                    This is one major aspect of our divide... and it includes how we look at immigration as well.


                    There are much more insidious powers behind much of this.

                    If you were the CCP ... or if you were the WEF... how do you accomplish your Goals?

                    You determine what your goals are... and work your way back on how to achieve them.

                    If you are the CCP you want to supplant the USofA as the Global Leader as the Economic Powerhouse that makes the world turn.

                    If you are the WEF you want to instill a NWO, an International Order that subordinates all Nations to its will, that controls access to all things through a CBDC and controls the very ability to grow food as well as the availability of it.  Which in turn allows the total control, willing or not, of the entire population of every nation under its control.

                    When you consider what these very influential and powerful forces are attempting to achieve, then the decisions that our 'leaders' are making which seem so idiotic, begin to make sense, because they don't answer to the people... they answer to those which have immense power, wealth and influence.

                    This is where the divergence currently is in America...

                    Those choosing to support the establishment, the hacks like Biden, that are leading us to our transformation into a subjugated nation.

                    And those that see this occurring, or at least sense the corruption and malice emanating from those in control, these people choose to support Trump and anyone else who seems willing to try and stop it.

    3. Kathleen Cochran profile image76
      Kathleen Cochranposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      "Why do Democrats refer to undocumented individuals (aka migrants) as citizens?"

      We don't.

      1. Readmikenow profile image94
        Readmikenowposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        Democrats don't refer to them as illegal aliens.

        biden had to be challenged to even mention Laken Riley during his state of the union speech and got her name wrong.  He then went on to be cowardly and apologize for calling her murderer illegal.

        I find this disgusting.

        President Donald Trump met with the family of Laken Riley and listened to them share their pain.

        Two different people.  One does what is right and biden is a proven political coward.

  2. Willowarbor profile image61
    Willowarborposted 4 months ago

    In the new Journal (WSJ) survey, 59% of voters said they would support the bipartisan package, with roughly equal percentages of Republicans and Democrats in favor.

    Will these voters punish those who turned their back on compromise?  We can only hope. … s-227b9bb8

  3. Sharlee01 profile image89
    Sharlee01posted 4 months ago

    Trump's immigration proposal is very much hardline. The invite would be removed... Not many would bother making the trip, yet could apply more traditionally.   I do appreciate his thoughts on truely stopping drugs from entering the Country.

    According to recent polls, Former President Trump looks like the favorite to win the 2024 Republican presidential nod. As a former president, Trump took a tough stance on immigration and the border, restricting access to asylum and permanent residency for thousands of immigrants.

    Trump recently unveiled his immigration plan for 2025, if he were to be elected again. The plan, full of unprecedented measures that go much further than his previous policies, would restrict immigration access for millions of individuals. Here are the plan’s main proposals and how they would impact the U.S. immigration system as a whole:

    Trump suggests a naval blockade by the Coast Guard and U.S. Navy to stop drug smuggling boats in U.S.-Latin America waters.

    Drug cartels would be designated as “unlawful enemy combatants,” allowing U.S. military intervention in Mexico.

    The plan would extend Texas’ border barriers, including the controversial floating barriers in the Rio Grande.

    The completion of the border wall is included in the 2025 plan, despite President Biden having halted the project.

    Trump aims to reinstate the “Remain in Mexico” policy and restore previous asylum restrictions.

    Curtailed Access to Legal Immigration
    Trump’s 2025 plan also seeks to significantly curtail legal immigration by reducing access for prospective immigrants based on ideology, wealth, health, and country of origin.

    The plan includes increased ideological screening for prospective immigrants to reject those suspected of communist ideals.

    The “Muslim ban” concept enacted under the previous Trump administration would be expanded to block entry for more individuals from specific countries.

    Birthright citizenship would end for children of undocumented immigrants.
    Migrants could be swiftly deported through the use of the controversial and outdated Alien and Sedition Acts.

    Enhanced screening which would involve examining social media accounts, proving health insurance, and paying entry bonds, would be enforced.

    Aggressive enforcement would involve the FBI, Drug Enforcement Administration, and possibly the National Guard in apprehending undocumented immigrants.

    1. tsmog profile image84
      tsmogposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      I wish him luck with the courts.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image89
        Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

        Agree, as I said "very hardline stuff'...

        1. Willowarbor profile image61
          Willowarborposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          The impact of severely limiting immigration on our economy seems to be overlooked in Trump's vision. 

          Immigrants added $2 trillion to the U.S. GDP in 2016 and $458.7 billion to state, local, and federal taxes in 2018. In 2018, after immigrants spent billions of dollars on state and local, and federal taxes, they were left with $1.2 trillion in spending power, which they used to purchase goods and services, stimulating local business activity.   

          “if the United States continued the Trump administration’s policies that administratively reduced legal immigration by approximately 49%, average annual labor force growth would be approximately 59% lower than compared to a policy of no immigration reductions, according to an NFAP analysis. Under policies that reduced legal immigration by half, in 40 years the United States would have only about 6 million more people in the labor force than it has today. Admitting fewer immigrants results in lower economic growth because labor force growth is an important element of economic growth and immigrants play a major part in both current and future labor force growth"

          Many experts are concerned about the impact such restrictions will have on job growth and the economy.

          According to the U.S. Census, immigration is responsible for half of the nation's population growth. According to  Census forecasts made prior to the recent changes in immigration policy, in 20 years immigration will account for over two-thirds of U.S. population growth.

          In short, slowing or stopping the pace of immigration will ultimately slow labor force growth and, in turn, economic output growth.

          What are the implications of slowing output? One of the most important is the impact on social entitlements. Most of the developed world has made promises, in the form of financial payments and subsidized health care, to retired citizens. Social Security. These programs are built on a pay-as-you-go model and are becoming unsustainable given the collapsing ratio of working people to retired people. While the U.S. system is heading toward insolvency, just like systems in Europe or Japan, we have slightly more breathing room, largely because of faster labor force growth – driven by a faster pace of immigration.

          Cue the argument of the high costs of providing public education to children of  immigrants. It would be worth pointing out that such spending is not an expense,  it is an investment in the long-run growth of the economy and an investment in the well-being of current tax payers when they enter their retirement years.

          "During the Trump administration, anti-immigration advocates saw their preferred policies enacted. BUT, As Federal Reserve Board Chair Jerome Powell noted, those policies contributed to inflation and have continued to damage the U.S. economy."

          So why bring them back?

          I encourage everyone to take a look at  Jerome  Powell's analysis.

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    2. Willowarbor profile image61
      Willowarborposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      It doesn’t take a degree in immigration law to realize how legally dubious these proposals are. Many of these "policies" would inevitably be subject to challenges in court. He will face relentless litigation.  It is also highly unlikely if he wins in November that he will have 60 votes to pass any sort of actual legislation.  I don't think his plans are very viable.  I think he is selling his supporters a pipe dream.

      I wonder how Latino voters are feeling about this?

      1. Sharlee01 profile image89
        Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

        Simply shedding light on his agenda here. Not expressing agreement or disagreement. It's evident that the courts would play a significant role. Ultimately, it's Congress's call to approve or reject his proposals. He tends to have bold, uncompromising ideas, not ones softened with comforting platitudes. … shows.html

        I live in Mexico each winter --- What I have gleaned from living here,  Latino people are very much common sense people, they keep tradition, and most respect religion, and law and order.

        1. tsmog profile image84
          tsmogposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          I hate paywalls!

          1. Sharlee01 profile image89
            Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

            March 2, 2024 New York Times
            "President Biden continues to lose crucial support among Latino voters, with an increasing number of those voters saying they are more likely to vote for former President Donald J. Trump, according to a new poll by The New York Times and Siena College.

            The poll shows Mr. Trump edging out Mr. Biden among Hispanic voters, with 46 percent supporting the former president and 40 percent favoring Mr. Biden, but because Latino voters make up just 15 percent of the electorate, the poll’s sample size of the group is not large enough to assess small differences reliably. For a subgroup that size, the margin of error is 10 percentage points.

            But the poll, and others like it, make clear that Mr. Trump has continued to make remarkable inroads with Hispanic voters.

            Few observers would have predicted this kind of support for a former president who, when he first declared his candidacy for the White House nearly a decade ago, claimed that many Mexican immigrants were rapists and criminals. During the 2020 election, many Democrats were stunned when Mr. Trump saw his support from immigrant-heavy precincts improve dramatically.

            For much of that campaign, many Democrats presumed that Mr. Trump’s anti-immigrant rhetoric and policies would repel Latino voters. And in much of the country, that presumption proved true. Roughly 60 percent voted for Mr. Biden, and Latino voters helped flip Arizona to Democrats in 2020. They were also central to the party’s ability to hold on to Nevada in both that election and the 2022 Senate race. But Latino voters in South Texas and Florida were also key for Republican wins in those states in 2020.

            Still, many leaders in the Democratic Party maintain that Hispanic support for Mr. Trump does not represent a broad ideological shift toward Republicans. Polls have repeatedly shown that such voters say they are attracted to Mr. Trump’s stances on the economy and the border. Many Latino voters have also pointed to Mr. Trump’s personality as a key part of his appeal. Mr. Trump’s lead has grown among Latino voters in the last four years, according to Times/Siena polls.

            The number of Latinos eligible to vote has increased steadily for two decades, and more than 36 million are eligible this year, an increase of nearly four million in just the last four years, according to the Pew Research Center. Latinos now account for nearly 15 percent of eligible voters, a record high.

            Since 2020, both Republicans and Democrats have scrambled to shore up support with Latino voters, largely because they see the group as critical to creating a winning majority. Mr. Trump does not need the support of a majority of Latinos to win in November; merely peeling off a few percentage points among the group could prove decisive.

            Historically, roughly a third of Latino voters have supported Republicans in presidential elections. But there have been examples of greater Republican success — in 2004, George W. Bush received support from about 40 percent of Latinos."

            1. Willowarbor profile image61
              Willowarborposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              So far, the hard data on Latino voting behavior and policy preferences strongly suggests it is likely that  Biden will garner a similar share of Latino voters as Democratic candidates in 2022, thus helping him  win another term in office.

              There are three main reasons why, all driven by rigorous survey data and election results.

              First, Republicans do not have a policy agenda or policy proposals that are popular with Latino voters.

              Second, as the economy continues to stabilize, Latinos’ policy priorities will be much more diverse than they were in 2020 when economic stress and fear led Trump to perform well among Latinos who identified the economy as their primary concern.

              Third, the 2022 election outcomes made clear that Latinos helped Democrats win narrow House seats across the country, bucking historic trends and a national mood that should have led to a higher vote margin for Republican candidates.

              Latino policy preferences?

              Latinos overall, and particularly Latino voters under 30, are highly supportive of the progressive policy agenda that the Biden administration will embrace in 2024. In fact, Republicans did not have any policy proposals that garnered more than 30% support among Latinos in either 2020 or 2022. On issues of tax policy, health care, abortion rights, gun safety, climate change, and immigration, a very clear majority of Latino voters support Democratic proposals.

              In order for Latinos to support Republicans to a greater extent in 2024 than in 2020, Republicans would have to present a policy agenda that resonates with the vast majority of Latinos. This is simply not happening. On the contrary, Republicans continue to lean heavily on messages that attack vulnerable groups of Americans. Indeed, many Republican-led states have moved to ban diversity, equity, and inclusion. They have banned the teaching of history that lifts up African American, American Indian, Latino, and Asian American struggles, stories, and successes. This is not an agenda popular with Latinos.

              Sure, a lot  can happen between now and the general election. However, today feels a lot like the run-up to the 2022 election when many pundits were predicting a shift to the GOP among Latino voters that would help propel a big year for Republicans. Those predictions never materialized then, and thus far the data suggests the same predictions about 2024 will not materialize next November.

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              1. Sharlee01 profile image89
                Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

                In the argument you presented regarding Latino voting behavior and its potential impact on the outcome of the 2024 election, you have taken time to reason it out,  you rely heavily on assumptions, and overlook several key factors that could influence the Latino vote and electoral outcomes.

                The assertion that Republicans lack a policy agenda appealing to Latino voters oversimplifies the complex dynamics of political decision-making within the Latino community. While it's true that certain progressive policies may resonate with a portion of Latino voters, it should be essential to recognize the diversity within the Latino electorate.

                Latinos, like any other demographic group, are not monolithic in their political beliefs and priorities.  There are conservative-leaning Latinos who may find elements of the Republican platform very appealing, particularly regarding issues such as small business support, social conservatism, or even foreign policy. Dismissing the potential for shifts in Latino support based solely on policy preferences, in my view, oversimplifies the multifaceted nature of political decision-making within this demographic.

                Your argument assumes a static political landscape, failing to account for the fluidity of political dynamics and the potential for unforeseen events or shifts in public opinion as this year moves on.

                While it's true that economic stability could broaden the range of policy priorities for Latino voters, it's impossible to predict with certainty how these factors will influence voting behavior in 2024.  Economic conditions, social issues, international events, and campaign strategies can all play significant roles in shaping electoral outcomes. As such, it seems premature to conclude that current trends will necessarily persist through the 2024 election cycle.

                Additionally, the argument places undue emphasis on past election results as indicative of future patterns. While it's informative to analyze historical voting trends, it's essential to recognize that each election is unique, shaped by its own set of circumstances, candidates, and campaign strategies. Drawing direct parallels between the 2022 and 2024 election cycles oversimplifies the complexities of electoral dynamics and fails to account for potential shifts in voter sentiment, candidate appeal, or campaign messaging.

                The argument neglects the importance of political mobilization efforts and outreach strategies in shaping Latino voter turnout and support levels. Both parties have the opportunity to engage with Latino communities, articulate their policy agendas, and mobilize support through targeted outreach efforts. The effectiveness of these efforts can significantly influence electoral outcomes.

                While your thoughts present a compelling case for the potential impact of Latino voting behavior on the 2024 election, in my view, they overlook key factors that could shape electoral outcomes and fail to consider the dynamic nature of political dynamics.

            2. tsmog profile image84
              tsmogposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              Thanks! I have only one thought. That is what impact is the Latino vote in the swing states as that is where the election will be won as I see it. The electoral college. Trump already leads in key swing states, so why worry about the Latino vote?

              Edit: After poking about I discovered the following article by Pew Research.

              Key facts about Hispanic eligible voters in 2024 by Pew Research (Jan 10, 2024)
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              Key Swing States per Forbes (Feb 29, 2024) is listed next. The percentage is from the Pew Research article above. They are the percent of eligible voters who are Latino, 2022. In parenthesis is the percentage points that Biden is trailing Trump per the Forbes article at link below.

              North Carolina - 6% (9)
              Arizona - 25% (6)
              Georgia - 6% (6)
              Nevada - 22% (6)
              Pennsylvania - 6% (6)
              Wisconsin - 5% (4)
              Michigan - 4% (2)

              Biden Trails Trump In These 7 Key Swing States—As Most Key Biden Voters Say He’s Too Old, Poll Finds by Forbes (Feb 29, 2024)
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              Note: The Forbes article may be hidden behind a paywall. Oops! I hate paywalls!

        2. Willowarbor profile image61
          Willowarborposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          That gives you a unique vantage point. Considering that,  what are your thoughts on Republicans current suggestion that those who are crossing our border are somehow all violent criminals? 
          A narrative is being pushed that immigrants are more likely to commit crimes than the U.S.-born population.
          I'm concerned that we have potential leadership repeatedly broadcasting obvious disinformation about the reality of immigration on our border and dehumanizing people.  It is not “good politics” and isn’t close to actual policy.

          The reasons why Laken's killer was released is certainly worth discussing.  That the right does not focus more on these questions is evidence of their lack of true concern over public safety, as are recent efforts by Trump and Congressional Republicans to tank the bipartisan border bill.

          I feel that Republicans are choosing fear mongering over action.


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