Historic Dates vs. Random Made-up, Obscure Dates

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   abwilliamsposted 3 weeks ago

   
   It seems to me that we have gotten to the point, in the United States of America, where nothing is Just, but also, where nothing is Sacred. A random person can makeup a day/a date or dates, and then proclaim (better yet, have a President proclaim) its significance.
   I contend that as a result, historic dates, holy dates, significant dates are being replaced, as another means of dismantling (resetting? transforming?) this Nation, piece by piece, day by day.
   What say you?

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      GA Andersonposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      I say you are wrong., but politely so. Presidential proclamation days appear to have two causes: political and recognitional.
      
      There are a ton of them; Here's a Wiki list of of observances in the United States by presidential proclamation.
      
      Religious dates shouldn't outrank non-religious ones just because religious folks think so. For instance, what if  National Vietnam War Veterans Day conflicted with Good Friday or Easter Sunday, would you feel as offended as when Trans Day does?
      
      GA

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         Kathleen Cochranposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

         GA: "Religious dates shouldn't outrank non-religious ones just because religious folks think so. "
         
         Oh, Amen and Amen.
         
         I also think religious people (of whom I am one) shouldn't try to claim they are being persecuted (a common refrain) just because they are being disagreed with.

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         abwilliamsposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

         Thanks GA for your response. I am not just considering Religious holidays, but other historic dates as well; I.e. Independence Day, Presidents Day, Memorial Day....dates which actually have significance and meaning in and throughout our existence.
         
         God forbid, but could we eventually see a date on the calendar which celebrates the most perverse, is that the point where a line is drawn?
         
         I don't see much push back in preventing us from getting to that point. What better way to topple "the shining city upon a hill"?

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            GA Andersonposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            I see what you're saying, but I don't think that's a worry.
            
            GA

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         Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

         It would appear that they are offended because some Christians do not accept or tolerate transgender people.

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            GA Andersonposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            "They" statements always worry me. There are "theys' in every group and 'they' seldom are the group.
            
            GA

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            Sharlee01posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            It's important to clarify that the disagreement over transgender identity within some Christian communities isn't solely about tolerance.  Tolerance, in its true essence, involves respecting and accepting differences, even when one may not agree with or understand them.
            
            However, the stance against transgender identity within certain Christian teachings isn't necessarily about tolerance or intolerance in the conventional sense.  It's more rooted in theological interpretations and beliefs about gender,  often based on specific scriptural interpretations. For some Christians, their objection to transgender identity stems from their understanding of biblical teachings regarding gender roles and the sanctity of biological sex.
            
            In this context, it's not merely a matter of tolerance versus intolerance, but rather a clash of deeply held religious teachings, convictions, and interpretations. From some perspectives, accepting transgender identity may contradict fundamental tenets of their faith.  While this stance may be viewed as intolerant by those outside of these beliefs, one might recognize that the issue is far more nuanced and complex than a simple matter of tolerance. It's about asking some to reconcile religious beliefs due to societal changes and individual rights, which often leads to intense debate and disagreement when religion is involved.

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               Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

               "However, the stance against transgender identity within certain Christian teachings isn't necessarily about tolerance or intolerance in the conventional sense.  It's more rooted in theological interpretations and beliefs about gender"
               
               Where does one find support for such a stance?  Considering the overarching themes of the Bible as a whole?
               
               The Bible  tells us neither to give a final judgment on a person nor to judge their actions according to our standards.
               
               Romans 14:4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
               
               And from Matthew..
               
               "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?  How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."
               
               It seems to be that we have a faction of Christians who feel disrespected and offended by the dual Easter message and another faction of Christians who aren't. It seems like the offended faction wants their views considered and elevated above others.

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                  Sharlee01posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                  "However, the stance against transgender identity within certain Christian teachings isn't necessarily about tolerance or intolerance in the conventional sense.  It's more rooted in theological interpretations and beliefs about gender"
                  
                  In the Bible, there is no explicit mention of gender transition as understood in contemporary contexts. Scriptural references primarily emphasize the binary nature of gender as created by God, which is male or female --  as depicted in Genesis 1:27, which states that God created humans male and female. There is no mention of having a choice to make gender changes.
                  
                  Consider verses such as Deuteronomy 22:5, which speaks against cross-dressing, and passages like Matthew 19:4-6, which emphasize the union of male and female in marriage.
                  
                  Matthew 19:4-6 (NIV):
                  "Haven’t you read,’ he replied, ‘that at the beginning the Creator “made them male and female,” and said, “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh”? So, they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate."
                  
                  Yes, the Bible tells us neither to give a final judgment on a person nor to judge their actions according to our standards.
                  
                  Being non-judgmental doesn't mean abandoning one's religious principles or moral convictions, in my view.  It's possible to hold firm to one's beliefs while still showing respect and kindness towards those who may hold different views or live differently.  I feel this can be achieved by engaging in respectful dialogue, seeking common ground, on other issues, and values, and focusing on shared values such as compassion, justice, and forgiveness.

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                  Sharlee01posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                  The perceived offense or lack thereof regarding President Biden's Gender Day proclamation among different factions of Christians can be attributed to varying interpretations of religious teachings, social values, and political perspectives.
                  
                  Some Christians may feel offended by the proclamation because they interpret gender identity and expression in a more traditional or conservative manner. From this perspective, affirming non-binary or transgender identities may conflict with their understanding of biblical teachings on gender and sexuality. They may feel that such proclamations undermine their religious beliefs and moral values.
                  
                  On the other hand, some Christians may not feel offended by Biden's proclamation and support it. Their values, and teachings, promote acceptance of new social issues.   They may view the proclamation as a step towards affirming the rights of transgender and non-binary individuals which is consistent with their beliefs that may lean toward social justice and inclusion.
                  
                  So, the offense or lack thereof among different factions of Christians stems from a complex interplay of religious beliefs, social values, political ideologies, and personal experiences.

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   Valeantposted 3 weeks ago

   I say Fox News accomplished its goal and triggered some of their viewers to turn a non-issue into something.  The rest of us will just go on living our lives and not worry about something meant to be a positive.

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      abwilliamsposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      I don't know what Fox News did or didn't do, said or didn't say,  I have an antenna and can only pick up local channels, my internet service is temperamental, at best.
      
      Do you have anything else to offer?
      I think your spinning this, indicates that  I am onto something here!

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         Valeantposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

         What spin?  They led the way in making this into a non-issue, one that only served to trigger the people that follow far-right media.  They sell anger, and in this case, it worked.

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            abwilliamsposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            You brought up Fox News, I didn't.  They weren't even on the radar when I initiated this forum discussion.

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      ybarakasposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      Fox news is a total douche bag.

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   Valeantposted 3 weeks ago

   That someone views those that suffer from gender dysphoria as 'perverse' is more of an issue for the person who holds those views.

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      abwilliamsposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      Do I need to spell it out?
      I was attempting to be discreet, when I used the word "perverse".

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   abwilliamsposted 3 weeks ago

   https://www.theblaze.com/news/easter-su … 1J1Zq7iv5c

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