Will Ex-President Trump Go To Prison?

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Miebakagh57posted 7 months ago
Ex-President Donald Trump has been lately convincted for all the 34 court counts of the actress Daniels hush money trial. Will Trump go to prison? Is there not an appeal from the New York Supreme Court, to the USA Supreme Court? Your thoughts, and lets discuss.
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  theraggededgeposted 7 months agoin reply to this
  Let's not.
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  Miebakagh57posted 7 months agoin reply to this
  Bev, why not?
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  Ken Burgessposted 7 months agoin reply to this
  Yes, he will.
  They will also remove his Secret Service Protection.
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PaulGoodman67posted 7 months ago
As far as I can see, this clearly does not belong in this forum topic section. I've reported it and asked that it be moved to Politics.
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  Miebakagh57posted 7 months agoin reply to this
  Thanks for the correction. And I hope hubpages just do that.
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Gregory DeVictorposted 7 months ago
I've reported it as well.
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  Miebakagh57posted 7 months agoin reply to this
  Thanks, buddy.
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Miebakagh57posted 7 months ago
Trump is not the Messiah for America. But why trying to hang him?
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  MizBejabbersposted 7 months agoin reply to this
  Because he has gotten away with hurting and belittling so many people in addition to making the U.S. the laughing stock of the world.
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  Miebakagh57posted 7 months agoin reply to this
  MizBejabbers, your (who made you the Head Master of American English grammar) remember? here. Why do some USA States allowed ponor that made the ponor actress Daniels trap Trump into (attempt)ing to rape her? Ex-President Donald Trump had said repeatbdly that he had not met her, nor known the lady, Daniels. But critically, in the 'hush money' trial, Cohens testimony and hers prevailed. But the trial is seen as political victimizemation. Trump was in the stand, and was not allowed to talk. How come America is now like this? Where is the video or CCTV reels that usual speaks against the victim, to tell the whole world that Trump belittle America? Daniels had initially denied the rape. Later she admited it. Whether she took money from Cohen, I don't know. It all smells of double standard.
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  MizBejabbersposted 7 months agoin reply to this
  "Where is the video or CCTV reels that usual speaks against the victim, to tell the whole world that Trump belittle America?"
  
  The answer to that question is "All OVER the place ... for years."
  
  Miekabagh, you probably don't have access to the TV channels and videos that we do here in the U.S. When all you see on TV for four years is Trump belittling the disabled, calling veterans of our military scum and saying he doesn't like POWs because they "got themselves caught" ... when it's his face and the words are coming out of his mouth, we can't help but form the opinions that we form, whether good or bad. And there are some in the U.S. who will give him an "atta boy" regardless of what he says.
  
  He has stated publicly on TV that if re-elected he will immediately seek revenge toward anyone who didn't back him and he will be President for Life." I don't suppose you have seen those speeches by him. Would you like to live under a dictatorship? We will see how many voters do when election day rolls around.
  
  Did you not get to see the video of Trump when he said that he likes to "grab women by the pu$$y? It was in our face on American TV for months.
  
  Trump had every right to testify at his trial. Nobody stopped him; it was entirely up to himself and his defense team. I'm sure that the defense team decided it was not in his best interest to take the stand. Any defendant can take the stand at his or her trial, but very many choose not to. When a defendant chooses not to testify in his own behalf, the jury is instructed NOT to hold that against him, and they do not.
  
  Since you have access to a computer, I'm sure you have access to news services like AP or Reuters unless they are blocked where you live. I suggest that you look up their stories. They are a couple of worldwide unbiased news services, and they are both very good at publishing articles that answer questions like those you just asked. It sounds like you have access to Fox News. Try some of the other news sources and get some real information for a change.
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  Miebakagh57posted 7 months agoin reply to this
  Thank you, MizBejabbers. I've read and noted well that Trump had said he would grab the ladies by their pu$$y. That was awful and terrific to me too. I also read how he forced himself into the dressing room of Miss Universe 2016. So your logic and reasoning is it gives you a license to revenge or think bad against him too? Trump is human. Let the sentencing come. And November cometh. I'm waiting.
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  MizBejabbersposted 7 months agoin reply to this
  What is your reasoning to keep asking if seeing the news "gives me a license" to form an opinion. No, the U.S. Constitution gives me the right. We don't have to have a license to THINK for ourselves in this country. I have not sought any kind of revenge against him as your sentence implies. I have the right to vote against him, and I will. That is if he makes it onto the ballot. In case this news has not made it to your country, the Republican Party is considering NOT running him as its candidate. Did you not know this?
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  Miebakagh57posted 7 months agoin reply to this
  Miz, thank you again. Of course, its just a minority in the GOP that are considering the question of not fielding Trump to the ballot. Correct me if I'm wrong. Your Constitution also allow Trump as a convicted felon to vie for the ballot, right? Don't vote for Trump. Vote for Biden.
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  tsmogposted 7 months agoin reply to this
  You have to remember, Miebakagh57, you don't have to vote for Trump or Biden. Other candidates that will be on the ballot are:
  
  Libertarian Party - Chase Oliver
  Green Party - Jill Stein
  Independent - Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
  Constitution Party - Randall Terry
  Independent - Cornel West
  
  And, five (5) other candidates
  
  Plus, you can do a write-in vote voting for someone not on the official ballot. That is what I will be doing. I am voting for Teddy Roosevelt as a protest vote.
  
  Of course, we have the freedom to not vote at all. It is not mandatory to vote in the United States.
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  Miebakagh57posted 7 months agoin reply to this
  Tsmog, I was not recommending who to vote for or not.
  
  MizBejabbers had made up her mind to vote biden.
  
  I gree to your last paragraph. It:s so in my country, Nigeria.
  
  Yes, other parties and their candidates are running. The GOP and the DEM are the 2 prominent group.
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  Credence2posted 7 months agoin reply to this
  MizB, where did you hear this?
  
  "That is if he makes it onto the ballot. In case this news has not made it to your country, the Republican Party is considering NOT running him as its candidate. Did you not know this?"
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  Ken Burgessposted 7 months agoin reply to this
  Of course, pre-planned.
  
  Nikki Haley has 97 delegates, the primary reason they kept her in the race, for this scenario.
  
  The difference between policies Biden has pursued and Haley will pursue is negligible. New boss, same as the old boss.
  
  Trump is a threat to many/most in power in DC... it won't just be Comey and one or two others fired if he were to return to the Presidency... it will not be allowed to happen.
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  Credence2posted 7 months agoin reply to this
  That is pretty astute of you, Ken
  
  When I think about it, it would make perfect sense for such a scenario to play out, the GOP sure has gone through a lot of trouble having people believe otherwise.
  
  It is as I said before, the sheer magnitude of what it means to have a convicted felon as the head of state involved in so many aspect of governance could not really be ignored indefinitely.
  
  Haley has worked hard to be as hard nose as the Trumpers, but at least she won't have the temerity to change our Government introducing authoritarian concepts. It is back to 2 opposing politicians again. Regardless, she is a safer choice over someone like Donald Trump.
  
  But will the MAGA die hards accept their fearless leader as deposed?
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  MizBejabbersposted 7 months agoin reply to this
  The answer to your last question probably is "no", but the next question is are there enough sensible people left in the country to out vote the MAGA die hards? Are they actually the loud minority who will be outvoted by the silent majority?
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  Credence2posted 7 months agoin reply to this
  I believe that the tables are beginning to turn already as the female vote has been failing for Trump over his and MAGA draconian response to women's reproductive rights. That has been shown in very recent polls,
  
  Also, as I have said the "medicine", Trump declared a criminal felon, will have its desired effect over time, as those that are not Trump lemmings consider how ludicrous it is to have a convicted criminal elected as head of state. I don't see it as being palatable at the GOP convention, and it will be the "elephant in the room" during the upcoming Biden/Trump debates.
  
  Those two points will bring down Trump poll numbers.
  
  We will isolate the Trumpers from reasonable people, sort the wheat from the chaff, as it were.
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  Ken Burgessposted 7 months agoin reply to this
  Safer?
  
  Considering that is in reference to my saying: "The difference between policies Biden has pursued and Haley will pursue is negligible. New boss, same as the old boss."
  
  I don't think that is 'safer' that is 'same'.
  
  This pursuit of Russia has gone on since the collapse of the Wall.
  
  At some point and time these fools making the decisions... that have followed these plans for two decades have to be FORCED by we Americans to STOP...
  
  Russia is no longer a collapsed, economically broken, governmentally insolvent Nation that we have the ability to treat like a beaten dog anymore.
  
  The world has changed... China has become a true rival... and Biden has forced Russia and China into becoming busum buddies... and as insane as that is, instead of reversing course and seeing the damage they are wrecking on ourselves and our allies, they double down on a losing effort!
  
  That only leads to one place.
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  Credence2posted 7 months agoin reply to this
  Your New boss wants to introduce tyrannical, insurrectionist, anti-Democratic ideas into my government. I won't tolerate that as what else is happening in the world when compared to that danger is irrelevant.
  
  Trump has shown me nothing but ineptitude and I have no reason to believe that he would improve matters to any extent.
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  Ken Burgessposted 7 months agoin reply to this
  Sorry all the ineptitude has been shown by Biden and his crazy crew, from Nuland to Biden himself, a bunch of antiquated leftovers from a bygone era that are destroying our nation and world as sure as I am typing these words.
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  Ken Burgessposted 7 months agoin reply to this
  I think this suits the perspective YOUR side has on these chargers.
  
  It means the complete opposite to any/all who do NOT buy in fully.
  
  The magnitude of BS one has to turn away from regarding these cases manufactured against him in NY... the open obviousness that these charges are all politically motivated and prosecuted by people intent on finding him guilty... not applying justice based on facts as they would be applied against anyone else.
  
  Things like literally changing the Law, or changing the Statute of Limitations, or instructing a Jury to find him guilty in general, rather than specific charges and specific intent.
  
  Its a witch hunt in its purest form, it is the definition of witch hunt... he has been accused of being a witch, throw him in the water... if he floats he is a witch and will be burned at the stake, if he drowns then he is not, either way the mob is rid of him.
  
  Its a big show... to show all Americans anyone can be destroyed by the State, even a former President and current Front Runner to become President again... the "People" don't decide policy or Presidents, they do, Trump was an aberration... a hand grenade thrown at Washington DC by people that were tired of their interests being trampled on by those who could care less about American citizens or their Rights.
  
  This is the State telling the People to go F themselves... they will take out Trump and all those of stature that stood with him and when that is done they will do what States do that are out of control and run by people who do not care about the citizens nor are answerable to them.
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  Kathleen Cochranposted 6 months agoin reply to this
  He broke the law.
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Miebakagh57posted 7 months ago
Ex-President Donald Trump, who is awaiting sentencing still leads in the polls by a small magin. Being now a convicted felon, would the GOP give him the green card for the presidential ticket?
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GA Andersonposted 7 months ago
New leaked info says Trump will get 4 years of house arrest.

GA
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  Ken Burgessposted 7 months agoin reply to this
  For those who want to delve into the legalese and facts regarding this latest railroad effort against Trump, I give you the level headed review by Professor Jed Rubenfeld:
  
  Straight Down the Middle — The Trump Verdict —Ep. 1
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u23t__ysVjU
  
  Straight Down the Middle — Selective Prosecution and Jury Unanimity — Ep. 2
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB3cV__BOBE
  
  Straight Down the Middle — The Trump Verdict: Q&A Episode
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bYGxQnwGes
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Miebakagh57posted 7 months ago
Planned?
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Kathleen Cochranposted 7 months ago
Mie: "Being now a convicted felon, would the GOP give him the green card for the presidential ticket?"

Yes. These people have lost their moral compass.
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  Miebakagh57posted 7 months agoin reply to this
  What would the Democrates do, if it was biden? Would they likewise give biden the green card? Of course yes, in spite of all his fray elderly weakness. I don't know how that is spoiling the USA economy and cultural policy as some claimed. Yes, certain also have claim biden was also in the same felony boat Trump rock America? That he was not touched is machiavalian politics. Let's wait and see how the NY Court sentencing will run in 4 weeks time?
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  Kathleen Cochranposted 6 months agoin reply to this
  If President Biden were found guilty on 42 felony charges, yes he would also be a convicted felon. So far, he is not even charged with anything.
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Miebakagh57posted 7 months ago
Come July 11, 2024. Ex-President Donald Trump will receive sentencing per the New York Manhattan Court felony conviction. He has not been convicted of a crime before. Isn't the first degree likely zero? So how will Judge Jaun Merchan sentencing run? Fine? Probation? Discharge? Warning? Sentencing a convicted person like Trump, is complex. Trump aptly deny any wrong doing. But labelled all the charges as 'scam'. And 'Look at him. Look at where he comes from'. Could tough Merchan take that against Trump? All the same, Trump is likely to be on probation regarding his appeal that's pending. Trump is enjoying his First Amendments Rights. A long prison sentence negates that. So a week? America's First!
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Miebakagh57posted 7 months ago
'You are the former president of the United States, and (possibly) the next president as well'._ Judge Juan Merchan, to Ex-President Donald Trump. Bracket mine. With all that befalled him, especially the Stormy Daniels hush money conviction, the Big Picture is that Trump is still geared on to the USA presidency. The sentencing as July 11 approach will not deter him. Trump is a BOLD man, embolded with the Spirit of Apollo. It's no wonder many prominent GOP still circle him as the leading star in the poll. He'll be nominated. Let the sentencing run.
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  Credence2posted 7 months agoin reply to this
  "The sentencing as July 11 approach will not deter him. Trump is a BOLD man, embolded with the Spirit of Apollo. It's no wonder many prominent GOP still circle him as the leading star in the poll. He'll be nominated. Let the sentencing run."
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  Really, Miebakagh, I don't know what comic books you have been reading?
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  MizBejabbersposted 7 months agoin reply to this
  Credence, I think the problem is, and it's very common, that only the country in which the problem is occurring really gets to hear or read about both sides of it being aired. Only in this country do we get to see and smell all the dirty linen aired on both sides. I say this because when I was working on my MA in journalism about 30 years ago, one of my papers was a study of the media coverage of the Gulf War.
  
  Back then we had the big ole VHS tapes to record on. My husband stayed up late at night and found several news sources for me, including Russia, France, England and some middle Eastern radio channels to name a few. (The fact that we were both ex broadcasters and he was a radio engineer was a real boon to finding the channels.) Of course we recorded ABC, CBS, NBC and other American news sources. After long hours of studying the tapes, I didn't expect my conclusion.
  
  All the non-American channels were in harmony with their reporting. This included Russia and the Middle Eastern radio being right in step with England and France. Since there were some media pools, maybe I should have expected this. But the news reporting was as clean as a whistle. There were no spins or slants coming from any of the pro-Eastern countries, no serious name calling or back biting. It was all news, not a bunch of commentary. Since we were the lead dog in the fight, our American news was more detailed than the news being reported from there back to their own countries.
  
  The point I'm making is that I doubt if the news in Africa about Trump in America is as newsworthy as it is here. I don't think he gets the same coverage, therefore he comes to his conclusions because he doesn't get the "fine" details and have to live with the results that we do. Who knows, he may be entertained by watching Trump on old reruns of "The Apprentice."
  
  I know that I can say the same thing about myself when it comes to problems with Prime Ministers in Canada or France or even problems in the EU. I never know what is really going on behind the scenes.
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  Credence2posted 7 months agoin reply to this
  Miebakaugh has been following Trump and the news well enough. He has had access to both sides. His position and pro-Trump point of view is deliberate. He has chosen to take a side in a way no different than our domestic counterparts.
  
  On rare occasions, I hear from Australia and Canada posters and they don't seem to be confused. And yet there was this fellow from Brazil on the thread for a limited time that embraced Trump as he did the Brazilian strong man that was in charge there not so long ago. It doesn't matter where you are from, Rightwing thinking and advocacy is as individual as a fingerprint and just as impervious to reason.
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  DrMark1961posted 7 months agoin reply to this
  I am sorry that you are not able to understand the faulty thinking you are advocating but I would think you would understand the damage that the leftists have done to the people you consider your community.
  Instead you make the ludicrous comment that conservatives are impervious to reason since they do not agree with you. It would be just as simple to say that leftists are impervious to reason.
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  abwilliamsposted 7 months agoin reply to this
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  Credence2posted 7 months agoin reply to this
  When people threaten my Democratic forms of government as Trump did, then there is nothing to be reasonable about, as it is clear threat.
  
  I am not going to agree with authoritarian, period. And I think that my comment was quite sound actually, regardless of your opinion as a Rightwinger.
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  DrMark1961posted 7 months agoin reply to this
  I certainly am able to use reasoning and would not condemn anyone who has an experience and belief system different than my own as impérvious to reason. Extremism is the opposite of sound argument.
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  Credence2posted 7 months agoin reply to this
  Ok, Doc, I will cool my jets for a minute, I might have been hasty. You have attacked and criticized the Left before, correct?
  
  Does your belief system accommodate authoritarians and anti-democratic government if that is of any significance in Brazil?
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  DrMark1961posted 7 months agoin reply to this
  Yes, I have certainly criticized leftists in the past. Have I said they were impérvious to reason? I dont think só. All of us are able to learn. I actually thought Obama was going to help your country the first time he was elected but had learned the truth by 2012.
  I am not sure I understand your second parágraph. The anti-democratic faction here was the left. Bolsanaro was not allowed to mention that his left wing opponent was a convicted criminal. How would you feel if the Supreme court declared Biden could not mention Trumps conviction and employed the Police to take down Biden election pôsters? Sounds pretty undemocratic to me and that is one of the reasons half the Brazilians do not accept the election results.
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  Credence2posted 7 months agoin reply to this
  I am not keen on Brazilian politics, I am satisfied with Obamas effort to rescue an economy in 2008 from failed Republican economic policy.
  
  Your sort be it in Brazil or America are supporting these ideas as Rightwingers want to impose their values, contrary to the will of the majority. I have no such patience for the anti-democratic regardless of the label that it comes with.
  
  It is a thing with the Right....
  
  And if that is extremism, it is no vice.
  
  https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-en … 83ac7dd4f9
  
  https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/st … the-states
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Miebakagh57posted 7 months ago
The USA and Brazil are not the only countres in the world with convicted Head Of State (HOS) and Government. Nigeria, my country has had 2 criminally convicted Presidents, as Heads Of States and Government, and Commander-In-Chief of the Nigerian Army. And both are former military HOS, before they transist to civilian presidents. The present president was though to have commited drug crimes in America.
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  Credence2posted 7 months agoin reply to this
  Well, I guess that we Americans thought that we operated from a higher standard than having convicted criminals as our head of state, that was until now.
  
  Our global standing will have to fall as a consequence. "Leader of the Free World" Not anymore.....
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  DrMark1961posted 6 months agoin reply to this
  As much as I dislike the current version of Lula, his prosecution was anti-democratic, as was the trial against Trump. I think that the status of the US as a world leader has already fallen because of that trial.
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  Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this
  I don’t have the details, but if what you said regarding the gag placed on Bolsonaro regarding Lula and the last election, I would take offense.
  
  Donald Trump has been charged with numerous crimes and only a hyper partisan or an ostrich could put their head in the sand and believe that all of it was because of the Democrats. He has soiled everything that he has ever touched.
  
  A convicted criminal as head of state in America? That is a novelty not considered in almost 250 years
  
  I am waiting with bated breath for the debate where I and Joe Biden can put Trump on the spot for answers rather than his usual BS. He is in fear of that as he should be.
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  wildernessposted 6 months agoin reply to this
  If all of Trump's legal woes, started and pushed by Democrats, did not happen, what would be left?
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  Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this
  He would simply be a career criminal with no one to blame for his prosecutions except himself.
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  wildernessposted 6 months agoin reply to this
  You miss the point. You say that it is wrong to blame Democrats, but without Democrats there would be no court cases and no prosecutions.
  
  Just like Hunter Biden would be home free without Republicans going after anything that might hurt Biden.
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  Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this
  My point is that Trumps woes are not due to partisan bias as so many on the right imply that they are. Does this mean that Donald Trump cannot be guilty on his own accord of anything based on the tenets of the law rather than just partisan politics? If I recall, Trump was prosecuted for his phony Trump University exploiting and bilking people of their money, what did that have to do with Democrats?
  
  Biden Jr. was not given preferential treatment just because he is the son of Joe Biden. And that was not due solely to Republican involvement.
  
  Your opinion is mere conjecture and is way off base.
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  wildernessposted 6 months agoin reply to this
  And MY point is that without Democrats pushing every court problem he has had there would BE no court problems. Trump's businesses have had, and will have again, legal problems. It is the nature of big business.
  
  But his political woes in the court are coming directly from Democrats chasing him; not a single Republican has signed on for those prosecutions.
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  Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this
  "And MY point is that without Democrats pushing every court problem he has had there would BE no court problems. Trump's businesses have had, and will have again, legal problems. It is the nature of big business."
  
  Free country, BUT, I disagree
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  "But his political woes in the court are coming directly from Democrats chasing him; not a single Republican has signed on for those prosecutions."
  
  Because all of them have their heads so far up Trump butt that they cannot see daylight. They would not acknowlege him guilty of any crime.
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  Miebakagh57posted 6 months agoin reply to this
  Is the debate all about Trump's criminal indictment? Shouldn't it focus mostly on economic development of the USA? I pity you.
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  Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this
  No, pity yourself for failing to grasp basic tenets of American law and jurisprudence.
  
  The thread is about Trump going to prison.
  
  I am also focused on economic development, it is just that many of us simply do not see Trump as the answer. Trumps criminal indictments reflect directly on his fitness for the job of President.
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  Miebakagh57posted 6 months agoin reply to this
  I ask a question: 'will Trump go to prison' due to his indictment. Which is the topic of my threa. Not that Trump, is going to prison. I know the basics of law. Nigeria copy the USA. Why don't you say you'll meet Trump with economic questions ealear? But so much on the indictment? That's why I pity you. Sorry.
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Miebakagh57posted 7 months ago
Is America still hold up to her thinking as 'leaders of the free world? Have you tell that to China and Russia? Tell it also to Great Britain and Japan. To you the era that America is the Police of the world is not yet over. Tell it to France, and India. And besides all this, America, is ridicled in many third world countries.
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  Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this
  I do not subscribe to “world policeman” but do subscribe to the American democratic tradition the principles of which are shared by our allies.
  
  I am going to retain that and I couldn’t less about third world countries opinions in this regard.
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Miebakagh57posted 6 months ago
July is here. And today's Friday, 6 July, 2024. In a weeks time another judgement awaits Trump. What do you think?
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