VP Harris just won this election.

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   Kathleen Cochranposted 6 weeks ago

   Bringing home these hostages is the end of this race. If Trump could have done it, why didn't he?
   
   Biden might have removed his name from the ballot, but he just proved what it looks like to be presidential.
   
   All that is left is for us to vote, and we will run to the polls to vote for the current administration again. Three million more of us chose Clinton over Trump. Seven million more of us chose Biden over Trump. I expect 15 million more of us will choose Harris over Trump. We've just seen what a competent president can accomplish. Why would anyone want to bring on the chaos again?

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   Credence2posted 6 weeks ago

   Thanks for this Kathleen, we witness competence in action verses boasting and bravado.
   
   I have confidence that people will come to their senses at the voting booth in November.
   
   Have a look at what Hillbully Vance offers as spin material?
   
   https://www.salon.com/2024/08/01/testam … tage-deal/

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   Willowarborposted 6 weeks ago

   Oops!  WRONG AGAIN! But consistent with his noxious ego and his adoration of Putin.  Almost sounds like treasonous Trump was asking Putin to hold on to them.  Trying to pull a Reagan  hostage release.
   
   "Evan Gershkovich will be released immediately after the election, putin will do it for me, and I don't believe putin would do it for anyone else."
   
   Listen to him bloviate..
   https://x.com/NijhuisClaretta/status/18 … 3769872735
   
   Bravo to Biden who negotiated this  historic & complicated  release of Americans held hostage.
   Biden did this.  Truly incredible diplomacy.
   
   He also exposed one of the fatal flaws of MAGA. A single, all-powerful leader can never be as powerful as the strength that comes from rallying the strong relationships you've  built.  Allies matter.

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      ... meanwhile the US southern border is still open.

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         Willowarborposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

         Deflection.  But...Psst. Have you heard? Illegal border crossings are down. Way down.
         
         Unlawful crossings by migrants along the U.S. southern border dropped for the fifth consecutive month in July.
         
         
         
         https://www.cbsnews.com/news/unlawful-b … mber-2020/

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            Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            Why would they want to come HERE????
            after Biden has ruined America... (after Trump had restored it.)
            
            Not to mention: "The scorching summer temperatures have also made the migration trek even more treacherous."
            
            https://www.cbsnews.com/news/unlawful-b … mber-2020/
            
            
            and Yeah, many are getting the heck out of here and going home.

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            DrMark1961posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            So one month you have 10 squatters move in your house and the next month only 5? Does not sound like things are getting better.

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               wildernessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

               Especially when there is another 8 in the basement and outdoor garage that you haven't seen yet.  Plus the dozen you invited in and moved to the master bedroom, saying you felt bad so would help that dozen.

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                  Ken Burgessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Yeah right, they are living better than you are.
                  
                  First lets remember our politicians didn't make it a priority (until election time)... remember what was the priority?:
                  
                  https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/sta … 1945360480
                  
                  So what are the reasons why politicians refuse to do anything?
                  
                  L.A. hotels hire migrants from Skid Row homeless shelter to replace striking workers.
                  https://www.latimes.com/business/story/ … ow-shelter
                  
                  Tyson Is Hiring New York Immigrants for Jobs No One Else Wants
                  https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-lab … else-wants
                  
                  The title should have been: Tyson doesn't want to pay competitive wages to do a crappy job, so the government is bringing in migrants at taxpayer expense, to work for cheap.
                  
                  Biden is replacing US-born citizens in the workforce with migrants
                  https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opin … -migrants/

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                     Willowarborposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                     "The title should have been: Tyson doesn't want to pay competitive wages to do a crappy job, so the government is bringing in migrants at taxpayer expense, to work for cheap".
                     
                     Some quick research into various sources show that Tyson pays an average of almost $20 an hour for it's unskilled labor.  These include maintenance and production jobs, maintaining poultry, killing it and  processing it.   Their wages are certainly competitive versus other unskilled work. 
                     
                     What exactly are you looking for politicians to do?   How much more are Americans willing to pay for their chicken?   Wage increases will certainly show up in the bottom line cost. 
                     
                     Biden or the "government" isn't replacing or bringing anyone in.  These are jobs that citizens have long since shunned.   Unless we're giving up meat, who will work in the industry?  Or any of the other essential industries that run on migrant labor?   It is a fact that we are currently in a labor shortage, what are corporations to do? 
                     
                     
                     "To attract more workers, meat and dairy employers were forced to pay higher wages. This has, in return, increased their production costs even more. In just three years, the median advertised online wage for workers in the meat and dairy industries has risen by 34%, from $14.95 to $20.00 per hour. "
                     
                     "These higher costs have forced some farmers and meatpacking plants to close, decreasing the supply of meat and dairy products and leading to yet higher prices due to increased demand. According to the USDA, average meat prices were 8% higher in 2021 than in 2020. For context, the 20-year historical level of retail meat price inflation is 3.2% per year — meaning the 2021 increase was almost 2.5 times above average."
                     
                     
                     "A study found that retail milk prices would nearly double, and the dairy industry would face a total output loss of $31 billion, if farmers lost immigrant workers."
                     
                     So what's the answer? Trump apparently thinks we should deport 20 million people who are crucial to these industries.   What impact will that have on the economy?  If all that is said and done, how much does my pound of chicken cost?
                     
                     
                     https://faunalytics.org/are-meat-and-da … ant-labor/
                     
                     https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil. … industries

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                        Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                        "Trump apparently thinks we should deport 20 million people who are crucial to these industries."
                        
                        The problem is that they are illegal. Bringing them in, letting them stay is against the US Constitution.
                        
                        We have laws for a reason: Freedom within boundaries of law and order. What is the good of law and order?
                        There is SOME benefit to the citizens.
                        
                        STC
                        (Something to consider.)

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                           Willowarborposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                           Again, I don't think anyone has spoken to the impact to our economy if these workers are removed?  Should our meat  industry be forced to shrink? How much more are we willing to pay for meat and dairy? Has anyone actually listened to the folks who run these businesses? 
                           
                           We do have immigration policy / laws.  How have they been broken? And if this administration is broken them, why haven't they been taken to court by Republicans or Republican backed groups?   Folks are already complaining about the cost of such products due to the lack of workers even with migrants doing these jobs. 
                           
                           His most recent executive action that limits asylum IS being currently challenged in court.  But where are or have the cases been that claim the administration is breaking immigration policy by allowing "open" borders? 
                           
                           These are just talking points, if Biden was breaking actual immigration law, the administration would be sued almost instantly.

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                              wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                              Biden does not (as far as I know) actively break immigration laws concerning entry.
                              
                              But he does ignore immigration laws.  He refuses to allow ICE to deport illegal aliens in our interior.  He has made it as easy as possible to evade the law at the border. 
                              
                              So...does he actively break the law?  No, but neither does he enforce it as he is sworn to do.

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            Ken Burgessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            Pssst.  Have you heard, it's just an election stunt.
            
            They helped 10 million get in the first three years, they will help get another ten million in if they get re-elected.
            
            You either want a Borderless world... aka Democrat
            
            Or you want strict border control... aka not a Progressive Democrat.

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         Kathleen Cochranposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

         Whatabout. . .
         
         Whatabout. . .
         
         Whatabout. . .
         
         Really gets old.

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            Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            whatabout a secure border? energy independence, no wars via peace through strength, a percolating economy, following the Constitution,
            preserving independence for citizens by keeping taxes low through leaving people alone to figure out their own lives, follow their own solutions and live their own best lives?

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   MG Singhposted 6 weeks ago

   I would like to have a bet with you. You will lose, Kaml Harris will be sitting outside the white house. Just wait and watch.

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      ~ can't wait.

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      Ken Burgessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      Are you under the impression that our elections are decided by the voters?

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   Kathleen Cochranposted 6 weeks ago

   The hostages being released.
   
   Anybody have any thoughts on this subject?

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   Kathleen Cochranposted 6 weeks ago

   Your comment has nothing to do with this discussion. But it's been a while Dr. Mark? What brings you back?

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      DrMark1961posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      I am sorry the comment was not clear, but it does have a lot to do with the discussion. If you let in 10,000 illegals per day, but then it goes down to only half of that, is that really better? I used squatters as a metaphor.
      
      Thanks for asking. I usually read the forums every day but rarely comment as I think others have said it already, and are probably more articulate and better aware of the issues than I am. Even on this issue I think you all up north are much more cognizant of this issue than I am, but from a south american viewpoint I can tell you that everyone that wanted to migrate illegally was happy that Biden was elected since they knew he was not an enforcer like Trump.

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         Kathleen Cochranposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

         They were probably happy because President Biden wouldn't rip their children out of their arms.

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            DrMark1961posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            Are you referring to the Obama policy that Trump continued? Yes, Trump was known to enforce the law, unlike the current administration.
            
            I doubt that children was an issue with most people though. The vast majority were single men in their twenties.

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   Kathleen Cochranposted 6 weeks ago

   Still don't understand how a discussion of the hostages being released and its impact on the election turned into a discussion of illegal immigration.

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   Kathleen Cochranposted 6 weeks ago

   I give up. The trolls have taken over.

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      MizBejabbersposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      yes they have.

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         Ken Burgessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

         They have been in control of the country for almost 4 years now...
         
         We can see what that has brought us... new wars, more division than ever within the country, more illegal immigrants than ever... inflation, increased taxation...

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   Kathleen Cochranposted 5 weeks ago

   I've raised two single men in their twenties. They do care about families being separated and unable to be reunited. BTW: One is a democrat and one is a republican.

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      wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Happens every day to the criminal element in our society; obey the laws and keep your children with you.  Violate them and risk losing them.  That's nothing new, regardless of liberals want to demonize it and make it out to be the worst evil ever committed by the worst human being (with the term used very loosely) ever to live.

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         Kathleen Cochranposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

         More heartless comments have never been written here. And that is saying something.

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            Ken Burgessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            Highly unlikely.
            
            We now have rampant child trafficking and sexual abuse going on because the border agencies no longer do the job they were meant to do... while any amount of holding and processing young children to determine what their needs really are and who their parents really are is unfortunate.
            
            Not doing so makes it a far worse situation for the majority of children that are now serving as sex slaves and worse.
            
            Because, after all, who drags children across international borders unless they have the absolute best intentions for them.

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            wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            Heartless?  Perhaps.  True?  Absolutely.
            
            Reality is a heartless teacher, isn't it?  What is, is, and without regard to what we might like it to be or want it to be.

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               Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

               "Reality is a heartless teacher"
               
               That is so true on so many levels.
               
               These words should be put onto a plaque and placed in every high school and college classroom.

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                  Kathleen Cochranposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                  I'd rather see that plaque read: "Do to others as you would have them do to you."
                  
                  But that is Biblical so not an option.

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    Readmikenowposted 5 weeks ago

    Trump possibly returning to office played key role in Russian prisoner swap: WSJ
    Wall Street Journal reporter Evan Gershkovich was freed from Russia as part of massive prisoner swap last week
    
    According to a Wall Street Journal report, German intelligence official and lead negotiator Philipp Wolff "saw an opening" when his Russian counterparts said they wanted to make a deal before November's American presidential election.
    
    "Some officials deduced that the Russians were either concerned about an unpredictable Donald Trump coming again to the presidency, or they feared that Scholz would no longer be willing to help a president who rarely misses an opportunity to criticize Germany," the Journal reported.
    
    Trump said earlier this year that he would get Gershkovich home in a hypothetical second term.
    
    "The reporter should be released, and he will be released," Trump said during an interview with TIME published in April. "I don’t know if he’s going to be released under [President] Biden. I would get him released."
    
    In an interview with FOX Business host Maria Bartiromo, Trump called the deal that brought home Gershkovich and others a "win" for Russian President Vladimir Putin.
    
    "As usual, it was a win for Putin or any other country that deals with us, but we got somebody back, so I'm never going to be challenging that," he told Bartiromo.
    
    "It wouldn't have happened with us. We would have gotten him back. We wouldn't have had to pay anything. We wouldn't have had to let some of the great killers of the world go, because that's what's happened, as you know. And the deal is very complex because it just came out. So nobody understands the deal yet, and they make it complex so you can't understand how bad the deal is for us."
    
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-pos … r-swap-wsj

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       Kathleen Cochranposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

       "Russians were either concerned about an unpredictable Donald Trump coming again to the presidency, or . . ."
       
       Being unpredictable is playing a key role? That may be the only sound reason I ever heard for backing Trump.

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    Kathleen Cochranposted 5 weeks ago

    FOX is a discredited news outlet.

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       Ken Burgessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

       That, to at least half the country, is a badge of honor, a claim to validity.
       
       If the [News Source, Politician - Insert Name Here] is discredited, slandered, sued, convicted, by the Left Wing [News Source, Politician, Judge - Insert Names Here] that is a good indicator that they may be worth listening to.

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          Kathleen Cochranposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          "at least half the country"
          
          I doubt that. Americans have higher standards than that. And better judgement.

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