Armed Militia 'Hunting FEMA' Causes Hurricane Responders to Evacuate—Report by Newsweek (Oct 14, 2024)
Federal emergency response workers operating in North Carolina's Rutherford County in the aftermath of Hurricane Helene were told to evacuate on Saturday over concerns that an "armed militia" was threatening workers in the area, it has been reported.
https://www.newsweek.com/armed-militia- … rs-1968382
"An official with the U.S. Forest Service, which is supporting recovery efforts along with the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), sent an message to numerous federal agencies at around 1 p.m. on Saturday warning that FEMA has advised all federal responders in Rutherford County to "stand down and evacuate the county immediately," The Washington Post reported.
National Guard troops had come across two trucks of "armed militia saying they were out hunting FEMA," the email said. "The IMTs [incident management teams] have been notified and are coordinating the evacuation of all assigned personnel in that county."
Rumors, rumors and social media . . .
"The incident demonstrates the growing concerns about the safety of government workers in North Carolina, parts of which were devastated after Hurricane Helene made landfall in Florida on September 26. Helene killed at least 230 people as it moved north, leaving a trail of destruction across six states.
Since then, misinformation and rumors about the response from FEMA and other federal agencies has been rampant.
Some on social media called for FEMA to be targeted after a rumor that the devastated town of Chimney Rock was going to be seized and bulldozed by the government circulated online, despite local authorities and news outlets debunking the claim."
For more take a peek at this Google landing page for additional articles on the situation . . .
https://www.google.com/search?client=fi … ed+militia
Questions?
Why? Yes, an open ended question as there are more than one why with this news.
Thoughts, criticisms, accolades, and/or commentary?
The armed militia reportedly "hunting FEMA" in North Carolina raised significant concerns among government officials. Following the encounter with two trucks of armed militia, federal emergency personnel were ordered to evacuate the area due to safety fears. Although the email alert about the militia's activities was confirmed as authentic, the credibility of the threat itself remains uncertain. Reports indicated that personnel were able to return to the area after assessing the situation.
THE DAILY BEAST
As for arrests, there have been no reports confirming that any militia members were detained following these incidents. The situation appears to have been more about the potential threat than an actual confrontation with law enforcement.
Odd they were not arrested. I hope to hear more to confirm this report. While the authenticity of the emails has been confirmed, the actual threat level posed by the militia remains uncertain, which may contribute to the perception that the situation could be exaggerated or misrepresented. I have become very leery of some left-leaning reports.
I have lost total trust in the current federal agencies such as FEMA. Hopefully, some evidence of this claim will be produced. Otherwise, this kind of unproven accusation is inappropriate. No one arrested tells me a lot...
The end result of Trump's stochastic terrorism. Words matter.
I guess the national guard is no longer trustworthy. Add that one to the list.
It starts at the top.
One awful lying man says something, there goes his sheeple. No trust based on absulutely nothing but misinformation. But of course, no evidence needed to believe "they're eating the pets!"
SMH
Its almost comical.
It appears there is a growing suspicion that our government does not have the best interests of its citizens in mind.
I would imagine this belief will continue to be propagated... So long as we have leadership like we have now that calls half of America domestic terrorists and deplorable.
When members of that half of America continue to engage in domestic terror like what is listed in the original post, it's more than fair to call them what they are.
It is a strong word, but fits the mark. The time has passed to placate far-left individuals. Hey, a line has been drawn. Words such as domestic terrorist, and deplorable, are just as strong.
Definition Lunatic --- an extremely foolish or eccentric person. I think this is an appropriate term to use in some cases when labeling far-left individuals.
Has Kamala Harris called you folks domestic terrorists, deplorables or otherwise?
Harris has made critical remarks about Trump and his supporters, particularly when discussing issues related to extremism, democracy, and political violence. In response to the January 6th Capitol riot, she condemned the actions of those involved and highlighted a double standard in how law enforcement responded to the insurrection compared to previous Black Lives Matter protests. She described the event as an attack on democracy and linked it to white supremacy and extremism. Harris has also been vocal about Trump’s false claims of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election, criticizing his supporters for spreading misinformation and calling it a threat to democracy. She has further addressed the issue of extremism, emphasizing the dangers posed by domestic terrorism and white supremacist groups, which she has associated with elements of the MAGA movement. While Harris's comments are critical of certain actions and beliefs within the movement, such as the acceptance of conspiracy theories and participation in violent acts, she has not used explicitly derogatory terms like "deplorables."
That's a long way from calling half of the nation the "enemy within" "lunatics" and all the other hate filled names he has labeled people of this country. I have a feeling that the majority are just so sick of and so exhausted with this rhetoric. Where I'm from, we don't talk like this.
And as far as Trump and Vance claiming he won the 2020 election... That's delusional, that is not acknowledging reality.
The comment critiques the use of incendiary language in political discourse, labeling it as a significant departure from respectful dialogue. However, I believe it’s essential to consider that many who support such language do so because they genuinely feel frustrated and concerned about the current political climate.
From my perspective, terms like “enemy within” or “lunatics” may seem extreme, but they resonate with individuals who feel that traditional political discourse has failed to address the seriousness of the issues facing our nation. For some, these labels aren’t just insults; they express a sense of urgency about what they perceive as existential threats to their values and way of life.
I also see that the sentiment of being “sick of and exhausted with this rhetoric” can be countered by acknowledging that, for many, this rhetoric is a response to years of feeling unheard or marginalized. Those who engage with such language might argue that it serves as a rallying cry, mobilizing support for necessary change in a landscape where they feel their voices have been ignored.
While I understand the desire for civility, I recognize that different regions and communities have varied norms around political speech. What might be considered unacceptable in one area can be viewed as passionate expression in another. Thus, I believe the discourse reflects broader societal divides, and understanding these differences can facilitate a more nuanced conversation about the role of language in politics.
"While I understand the desire for civility, I recognize that different regions and communities have varied norms around political speech. What might be considered unacceptable in one area can be viewed as passionate expression in another. Thus, I believe the discourse reflects broader societal divides, and understanding these differences can facilitate a more nuanced conversation about the role of language in politics."
Following are a few sites where one can read the alternatives to mainstream that are common such as Facebook, 'X', Instagram, and . . .
The descriptor passionate speech within dialogue would be considered tame when compared to average Joe/Jill with what is posted at the sites following.
After spending time at them the Allegory of Plato's cave takes on a different light with meaning in the realm of being enlightened.
Parlor
https://parler.com/
Gettr
https://gettr.com/trending
Gab
https://gab.com/
Rumble
https://rumble.com/
Telegram
https://telegram.org/
Bitchute
https://www.bitchute.com/
One may even add Truth Social and 'X' to the list, however those two are a bit tamer and closer to mainstream.
There's not enough information available. I also found that gun hunting opened on October 12th. I hope we hear from the individuals labeled as militia soon. Could be that this is a political maneuver by the Democrats, especially given Trump's negative remarks about FEMA. In my view, this would not be an unusual tactic for Democrats. It seems very odd that any militia if serious about hunting FEMA employees would not tell the Guard of their intentions. OMG
No photos? No video? No named 'quotes'?
Not suspicious at all.
One person was arrested in connection to the threat, CBS News confirmed on Monday.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fema-crews … ne-relief/
Trump will soon call him a hostage... A patriot... He will receive a promise of a pardon if convicted.
At around 12:54 p.m. on Saturday, deputies got a report of a man with an assault rifle who made a comment about possibly harming FEMA workers providing Hurricane Helene disaster relief in the area of Lake Lure and Chimney Rock.
Just before 1 p.m. on Oct. 14, the Rutherford County Sheriff’s Office received a call from U.S. Army soldiers at a gas station in Polk County after speaking with a gas station attendant, according to Capt. Jamie Keever. The attendant had relayed a threat made by a costumer toward FEMA employees helping in the Lake Lure and Chimney Rock area, and the sheriff’s office was called to investigate.
The costumer, identified as William Jacob Parsons, 44, had made a “vague threat” that he was going to “go mess up some FEMA personnel,” Keever told the Citizen Times Oct. 14. Parsons was armed with an AR style rifle and two handguns, according to his arrest warrant.
https://www.citizen-times.com/story/new … 669526007/
"At around 12:54 p.m. on Saturday, deputies got a report of a man with an assault rifle who made a comment about possibly harming FEMA workers providing Hurricane Helene disaster relief in the area of Lake Lure and Chimney Rock."
"Comment about possibly" Lake Lure and Chimney Rock is a very popular hunting area.
he said was going to “go mess up some FEMA personnel,”. According to the sheriff
Are you convinced that another assassination attempt on Trump was thwarted on Saturday? I'm far more concerned about a political figure being genuinely targeted. A man was arrested, fully armed and seemingly ready to act. This wasn't a vague threat, or emails, or a "possible" danger—it was a real threat, with someone attempting to enter his rally fully armed. I'm not interested in this conversation until there's solid evidence that a crime even occurred. You might be getting distracted by a "look here, not there" tactic. Maybe take time to consider what you are being stored at what you should be concerned about. Just saying.
Lives being threatened, no matter if the individual is fema, an ordinary citizen or a candidate for office is a concern. All equal in my eyes. Gun violence is quite a problem in our country.
Vem Miller...
in an interview with Southern California News Group on Sunday, said he was “shocked” that he was arrested and accused of trying to harm Trump, who he supports.
“These accusations are complete bull—t,” Miller said. “I’m an artist, I’m the last person that would cause any violence and harm to anybody.”
Miller said he is a Trump caucus captain who received a special invitation to the Coachella Valley rally from the head of Clark County’s Republican Party. Donning a Trump shirt and hat, the 49-year-old said he reached a checkpoint prior to entering the event parking lot and told a deputy he was lawfully carrying firearms in his trunk – as a courtesy.
Miller is a registered Republican who holds a master’s degree from UCLA, and who ran for state assembly in Nevada in 2022.
Mindy Robinson, who described herself as Miller’s partner at America Happens, posted on X and Instagram on Sunday that the accusations against Miller don’t make sense to her.
“There isn’t a universe (where) his intention was to kill Trump,” Robinson wrote. “He’s worked too hard in this movement to expose the Deep State and all the people against him.”
She described Miller as a “good guy with a gun” and said it made sense to go armed in “unsafe” California. LOL
Trump's handlers are a little worried about people exercising their right to possess guns? Let's remember what we're told, guns don't kill people...sounds like this guys rights got trampled on
https://www.pressenterprise.com/2024/10 … la-valley/
There doesn't appear to be independent verification or documentation proving that Vem Miller is officially part of Donald Trump's caucus, beyond his own claim. While Miller stated that he was a Trump caucus captain and had received a special invitation to the rally from the head of Nevada’s Clark County Republican Party, this claim hasn't been backed up by official sources or documents so far. Most reports of the incident simply relay his statement without corroborating it through other means. Sounds like a nut. He has been arrested, and I am sure if there is any truth to his claims he will work to prove them. Vem Miller was carrying firearms when he was arrested. Authorities discovered a shotgun and a loaded handgun in his vehicle, along with a high-capacity magazine.
The media is not vetting the info.
Figures that one would come here and spread that falsehood. The guy arrested was a die-hard Trump supporter. 'Seemingly ready to act' is a creation. Why would he tell the police at a checkpoint that he had guns in the trunk?
https://www.ocregister.com/2024/10/14/w … h-weapons/
Oh my goodness a VAGUE threat!!!
That is MUCH worse than say... all the lunatics that wanted to say they would kill the President back in 2016... the ones that got up on stage and told people to burn down the White House (was that Madonna? can't remember)...
Give... me... a... break... pathetic... worthless... garbage.
With leadership like we have had in this country the last 4 years... who needs enemies?
With News media like we have had the last 10 years... who worries about Russian or Chinese propaganda?... it CAN'T be worse than our own media.
Are you saying that the police should have ignored the man's statement that he was going to “go mess up some FEMA personnel,”? Just assumed that it was meaningless or a joke?
Man accused of threatening FEMA workers with assault rifle in western North Carolina
The suspect was later identified as William Jacob Parsons, 44, of Bostic. Parsons was taken into custody and charged with going armed to the terror of the public.
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On Sunday morning, Ashe County Sheriff B. Phil Howell posted on Facebook about the challenges FEMA faces.
“Recently in the mountain region, there have been threats made against them,” he wrote. “This has not happened in Ashe County or the surrounding counties. Out of an abundance of caution, they have paused their process as they are assessing the threats.”
Howell asked residents to “help folks and please don’t stir the pot.”
A Forest Service employee who has been on the ground in McDowell County said that team leaders made the decision Sunday morning to stop them from going into the field that day “out of an abundance of caution” due to the threat to the west of them.
It’s been about a 51-49 split of residents being “grateful to see us versus ‘go home feds,’” he said. “We were aware of the threats made against FEMA in particular, but federal responders in general.”
Ah, so geography is now the excuse for allowing the ugly rhetoric towards law-abiding fellow citizens. Meanwhile, the examples listed are the ones that Harris expressed towards people that violated our laws or led to incidents of domestic terror from those in the MAGA movement.
Im posting this here, although is about the election. But you asked what's next. Its part of the same rhetoric. The people following this excuse of a man, cant reason or think by themselves. It's all about what Trump says or wants.
How Trump allies stoked election chaos in Detroit in 2020 — and what they’re planning in 2024
Trump campaign and RNC staffers were central players in attempts to “stop the count” in Detroit in 2020, an NBC News investigation reveals. Next month, they claim 200,000 “patriots” will volunteer to watch the polls.
A must-READ
I hope not, but it seems like the next month is going to be chaotic.
I am very worried about the state of the people living around there in Florida in the aftermath of these two deadly hurricanes- Helen and Milton. A mother was clinging to the chimney clutching her four young children in utter despair. The question is where do they go for refuge? This news article made me worry more. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/13/us/h … index.html
May God be with them and keep protecting them.
Where is the story now, is it "truckloads of armed militias"—as Newsweek reported, or is it one man and a rifle making "vague threats"—as CBS reported?
GA
It could if they are different stories. The thread's information seems to connect the two, as in 'one man' was exaggerated to 'truckloads,' or 'truckloads' was dismissively spun to 'one man.' I read the connection as the first. *shrug*
GA
The seed was planted, and now we get to choose --- Or should I say some get to choose.
You choose, I mean is it not great fodder? Keep the heads spinning until they are dizzy.
I did choose. I think it's an exaggeration.
GA
Where is the exaggeration? It seems as though most media outlets reported on the information in a matter of fact manner.
"the U.S. Forest Service received an email from FEMA, which said a National Guard unit working for the agency “came across some militia members who said they were out hunting FEMA,” according to Jason Nedlo, a spokesperson for the Forest Service’s Southern Area Blue Incident Management Team."
Exaggeration?
So it's back to the original question; two truckloads of militia, or some militia members, or one lone guy? Which statement addresses which incident; Fema's, the Forestry spokesman's, the National Guard's, or the Sheriff's?
Is this one incident or two? My belief in 'exaggeration' comes from a perception it is one incident.
GA
Why can't there be truckloads of militia and a lone guy? Two separate incidents?
There could be, but should the media not be offering some sound evidence if there was?
Now you have it. That was the question. One that was also conditioned by the info in the thread. The bias in my responses is conditioned by the bias(es) of the information presented. I still don't know which it is or if it could be both. But I'm still leaning toward the 'exaggeration' theory.
GA
Gotcha, I see you're thinking. 2 separate reporting sources though. The National guard and local police/sheriff.
"The North Carolina National Guard told CBS News in a statement on Monday that it had "no reports of our soldiers or airmen encountering any armed militia, any threats and any type of combatants. We are continuing to serve all those counties in need of our assistance."CBS
I think the key word in your post is "North Carolina" guard.
An email sent by the U.S. Forest Service to federal responders in Rutherford County alerted them of an apparent stand down after National Guard troops reportedly encountered armed militia saying they were "hunting FEMA."
https://www.krtv.com/news/national-news … ef-efforts
"An email sent by the U.S. Forest Service to federal responders in Rutherford County alerted them of an apparent standdown after National Guard troops reportedly encountered armed militia saying they were "hunting FEMA."
It would seem either the US Forest Service is not being truthful or The National Guard is not being truthful.
"The North Carolina National Guard told CBS News in a statement on Monday that it had "no reports of our soldiers or airmen encountering any armed militia, any threats and any type of combatants. We are continuing to serve all those counties in need of our assistance."CBS
Do you seem to feel the National Guard?
I don't necessarily think anyone is lying but that the National Guard has not responded. At least I have seen no response from them. I have no reason to believe the forest service would lie
Yes, CBS offered the statement but as per CBS no name, and no proof of being factual. Sort of like the entire story, none of it makes sense.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fema-crews … ne-relief/
"the U.S. Forest Service received an email from FEMA, which said a National Guard unit working for the agency “came across some militia members who said they were out hunting FEMA,” according to Jason Nedlo, a spokesperson for the Forest Service’s Southern Area Blue Incident Management Team."
So Jason Nedlo is a liar? The poor dude probably has all kinds of death threats already
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat … 669723007/
Its all BS and misdirection to take attention away from the complete failure of the Biden-Harris Administration to do their damned job and take care of American citizens in need.
Its not worth debating... we have escalating wars... a weakening dollar and countless other major issues to focus on.
A weakening dollar? Misdirection?
"The U.S. dollar edged higher against most major currencies on Tuesday, resuming the latest uptrend that took it to more than two-month highs fueled by expectations the Federal Reserve will proceed with modest interest rate cuts over the next year and a half.".
https://www.reuters.com/markets/currenc … 024-10-15/
There’s been a significant run-up in U.S. dollar since the end of September. Last week, the DXY index — which tracks the value of the dollar against other major currencies — rose more than 2%. That’s the most in two years.
https://www.marketplace.org/2024/10/09/ … -s-dollar/
The sky is not falling
"As we enter the final quarter of 2024, the U.S. economy remains on solid footing, continuing to defy many investors’ expectations from earlier this year. Rather than sinking into recession, the economy has grown at a steady—albeit slower—pace, inflation has moderated, and the Federal Reserve has transitioned to a monetary easing cycle. "
Most MAGA's fall for Trump's, grossly exaggerated at least and outright fabricated at worst, darkened vision of where America currently stands. It'd be sad, if not predictable.
Ukraine war... with the brilliant Biden-Harris Admin trying to escalate it and take it INTO Russia...
Middle East in Flames...
Millions of NON-Americans getting better government aid than our own elderly and homeless...
Countries like Saudi Arabia and the UAE no longer trading oil in the Dollar and joining BRICS...
1.3 million Americans lost their jobs... while 1.2 NON-American migrants were hired for those jobs...
A Harris Administration would make the wars worse... would make the economy worse... would make the lives of Americans harder.
A Harris Administration would continue all the terrible decisions and efforts of the Biden Administration which NEVER put the needs of the American people first.
Put Americans FIRST Again...
End the senseless wars and devastation overseas...
Yeah, we've heard your arguments before. Numerous times. And compared to the delusions of Trump and his open declaration of war on his fellow Americans that refuse to join his MAGA movement, and the many crimes he felt justified to commit during his first term, he is more dangerous than anything you listed.
I must agree... the chips will fall where they may. Would love to see Reagan's dollar again approximately 164... Then came NAFTA! Downhill ever since. Very clear--- the large trade deficit tends to weaken the dollar. Thanks, Bill !
"Despite reports of threats against FEMA workers in North Carolina's Rutherford County, authorities have clarified that there is no confirmed evidence of truckloads of militia members involved. The incident appears to have been exaggerated online, with officials identifying one armed individual responsible for the threats. Although the situation led to the temporary relocation of FEMA responders, there has been no corroboration of large groups or trucks filled with armed militia members"
source THE DAY
"the U.S. Forest Service received an email from FEMA, which said a National Guard unit working for the agency “came across some militia members who said they were out hunting FEMA,” according to Jason Nedlo, a spokesperson for the Forest Service’s Southern Area Blue Incident Management Team."
So let me guess... Someone is lying right?
Is there a link to the source from The Day?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat … 669723007/
"The North Carolina National Guard told CBS News in a statement on Monday that it had "no reports of our soldiers or airmen encountering any armed militia, any threats and any type of combatants. We are continuing to serve all those counties in need of our assistance."
Capt. Jamie Keever with the sheriff's office told CBS News on Monday that local law enforcement remains on high alert, but their office is not aware of any additional, specific and credible threats.
CBS --- https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fema-crews … ne-relief/
Later on Monday, FEMA said in a stgatement that, "The threat was more limited than initially reported and mitigated by law enforcement. ... Disaster Survivor Assistance teams will resume normal operations in the field and housing inspectors will resume scheduling inspections to ensure survivors get the assistance they need and deserve."
FEMA Administrator Deanne Criswell said in the statement that, "Keeping FEMA staff safe while they are helping people in disaster impacted communities is always my top priority. I wanted to make sure we protected our staff on the ground while we worked diligently with local law enforcement to understand the full situation.
"Thanks to our close partnership with Governor Roy Cooper and his team, as well as local law enforcement, FEMA teams will soon be back doing what they do best – meeting people where they are and going door to door to register survivors for assistance."
Today, FEMA officials remain in communities and survivors are encouraged to continue to register for assistance. Disaster Survivor Assistance teams will resume normal operations in the field and housing inspectors will resume scheduling inspections to ensure survivors get the assistance they need and deserve"
LOL... Guess I missed this non-story while out cruising.
What was it, a story for about a day?
Throw it out there, see if any part of it will stick?
This Country is in dire straits, people need to stop falling for these diversions (think about it) and stay focused!
I think it was an issue that was a media ploy. I mean last week Trump was on FEMA's case. So, maybe create a threat against FEMA. Certainly backfired. A guy was arrested, with a story for a gas station worker that he was mouthing off saying he was hunting FEMA... Gun hunting season opened in the area where this man was said to be. No word if anyone else was arrested. I call this a backfire ploy. And I am sticking with it.
FEMA workers threatened by armed group in Tennessee
CARTER COUNTY, Tenn. (WJHL) — There were some tense moments on Saturday when volunteers witnessed an armed group of people confronting and threatening FEMA workers in the Elk Mills community of Carter County in Tennessee.
Tracy Elder is president and founder of the International Alliance of Community Chaplains. Her group has been working in disaster relief for more than 20 years.
They are in Carter County at the request of the Elk Mills Volunteer Fire Department to help run the command center there, providing supplies and resources for those in need. But Elder told Nexstar’s WJHL that she found herself between FEMA workers and a group of armed citizens criticizing the work of the government agency on Saturday.
Elder was ultimately able to diffuse the situation.
“They were armed — they were all open-carry — they had surrounded [the FEMA workers] and there was a lady that was yelling at them and threatening them,” Elder said.
During the confrontation, Elder did call 911 because she said the group wasn’t being rational.
“I don’t care whatever their beef is with the government or FEMA, that’s not my job. My job on this ground is to take care of the folks here,” Elder told WJHL.
For those making excuses, it doesnt matter if its one or many. The fact is, working people, people helping others', are at risk because of the cheap political ploys of a little man and his stupid followers.
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