Meta Ditches Fact-Checkers For X-style Community Notes:
"Meta is abandoning the use of third party fact-checking on Facebook and Instagram in the US and will replace it with X-style "community notes", where commenting on the accuracy of posts is left to users.
In a video posted alongside a blog post by the company on Tuesday, chief executive Mark Zuckerberg said "it's time to get back to our roots around free expression". Zuckerburg video statement
Oops, there really were 'alternate facts.' ;-)
GA
Joke of the day
"Oops, there really were 'alternate facts.'"
ha-ha
Just my view—I applauded the change. I believe free speech is the way to go. Sure, it has its downfalls, but it also sparks thought and debate, and it allows us to see society in full view. It pushes us to seek out facts for ourselves rather than being fed information through biased algorithms—algorithms that, at the end of the day, are shaped by human hands. I’ve seen far too much come from the government that seems to align with and promote what those algorithms push. It’s incredibly frustrating when I encounter such obvious bias on social media. If they are borrowing from X--- they have what in my view are fair terms.
Yes, X (formerly Twitter) has a set of rules and policies regarding conduct. These are designed to maintain a safe and respectful environment for users. Some key points typically covered by X’s conduct rules include:
Hate Speech and Harassment: X prohibits content that promotes violence, hate, or discrimination against individuals or groups based on race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, gender, or other protected categories.
Abuse and Threats: Any threats of harm or abuse, including targeted harassment, are not allowed. This includes violent threats or encouraging harm against others.
Misinformation and Manipulation: X also has policies to limit the spread of misinformation, particularly in areas like health, elections, and public safety.
Impersonation: Impersonating other individuals, organizations, or public figures is against the rules, particularly if it’s intended to deceive or mislead others.
Violent Content: Explicit or graphic content depicting violence is generally prohibited unless it’s for educational, documentary, or artistic purposes.
Spam and Platform Manipulation: X discourages spammy behavior and any attempts to artificially manipulate engagement or the platform’s algorithms.
But you've advocated for and championed trump when he threatens the media? When he floats the idea of taking away broadcast licenses over unflattering coverage?
Get help for your TDS... Or maybe just stick to the subject of the thread. As I have always said your bait is weak.
Basically Elon Musk is the president of the USA and Trump follows.
Reason why I say this is that Musk gave a lot of money to president Trump. Trump owes him lots of favours. Money wise Trump is a tiny fish compared with Musk.
Follow the money and you know where the true power is.
It's just a thought, but I don't see their association as one of owed favors. Neither Trump accepting the debt of an owed favor nor Musk expecting the obligation of owed favors.
I do see the Democrat promotion of 'President Musk' as simply an empty political ploy.
GA
"It's just a thought, but I don't see their association as one of owed favors. Neither Trump accepting the debt of an owed favor nor Musk expecting the obligation of owed favors."
And the same can be said of George Soros?
I don't know if "the same can be said." As noted, that was simply my perception of the Musk & Trump situation.
GA
So George Soros must wear the puppet master label while Musk gets the benefit of the doubt. Musk is the literal embodiment of everything the right has claimed Soros to be...
Still don't have a thought on Soros. I've heard the stuff from the Republican Right about his political influence and I've seen the leader of the Democrat Party give him a medal for it. That combination offers a lot of dots for folks to connect.
Yes, Musk has earned my 'benefit of the doubt.'
As for him being the embodiment, I think you're wrong. And I don't think we will have to wait long to find out who is right.
GA
Its a fair argument regarding that particular point however...
So, while the accusation does not fit you particularly....
In the sense of seeing the world in only two-sides, if you aren't with us then you are against us...
For those like myself that have noted the Soros efforts to influence our nation's policy and politics, by funding Governor and AG races and picking the most "progressive' characters he can find for them...
A man who's stated goal was the eradication of borders and nation states...
A man who professes to believe himself a deity... and you can take by extension of that, we therefore are his playthings to do with as he wishes...
One could compare Musk's recent foray into politics...
By exposing the Twitter Files and FBI corruption...
And then supporting the only guy 'they' wanted dead more than him for President... as comparable to Soros...
One does it out of a sense of godly right to bring about a borderless world controlled by an International Authority not answerable to the people.
While the other does it out of a sense of what is right, what must be done to save this thing called America... and its Constitution...
Yes, I did dodge the Soros question. But it wasn't cowardice, it was because the Democrats giving him a presidential medal for his efforts makes the point better than any list I could put together.
GA
Point well taken.
I do like to consider the differences in the desired goals of their 'interference' in political affairs, however.
Soros has a long track record to analyze... to come to a conclusion, if you will, if his efforts have helped or hurt humanity move in a better direction.
One could then compare it to Musk's actions and efforts, and consider what he has brought to humanity.
One makes his billions fleecing governments and retirement funds...
The other makes things that helps move humanity forward, small efforts like making Solar Energy more mainstream, developing the infrastructure for EVs across most of the 'developed' world, Starlink so that those living in remote parts of the world can get internet, etc. etc.
But hey, picking at minutia here, right?
The issue isn't how anyone makes their money, it's how they're using it... Essentially to buy politicians. Trump is bought and paid for by Musk. His investment has already paid off in spades... How much is his net worth increased?
I disagree with the sentiment that Trump is "bought and paid for" by Elon Musk or any single individual. First, Trump has a long-standing reputation for being independently wealthy, which has been a central part of his political identity. He often touts his ability to self-fund or avoid being overly influenced by major donors. While Musk may support certain policies that align with his business interests, it's a stretch to claim he "owns" Trump.
Musk’s business success is largely attributable to innovation and market demand rather than political favoritism. For example, Tesla has become a leader in the electric vehicle market, not because of specific government policies, but because of consumer shifts toward renewable energy and sustainability. SpaceX has similarly thrived by offering innovative solutions to NASA and commercial clients, regardless of which administration is in office. While government contracts may play a role, they are not unique to Trump's tenure.
The idea that Musk’s net worth is directly tied to political support ignores broader economic factors. Musk's wealth has risen due to the growth of Tesla’s stock price, driven by market speculation and demand for EVs, as well as SpaceX’s dominance in the private aerospace industry. These trends span multiple administrations and reflect broader societal shifts, not just one president's policies.
But I guess it’s very easy for an unqualified layman to judge these matters nowadays, thanks to the internet. People often make quick judgments based on headlines or simplified narratives without fully understanding the complexities behind these issues. It’s a lot harder to see the bigger picture when opinions can be formed in an instant with limited context.
And when the right has howled about George Soros using his money for political causes... That was just wrong, yet Musk has the green light. Again, the manner in wish someone has made their money is irrelevant. An individual probably shouldn't be allowed to donate 300 million to a candidate... I don't care how "pure"people want to believe musk is. A great deal of his wealth is directly related to his government contracts.
There is a ton of waffling on this issue. It's not wrong in one circumstance and right in the other.
I don’t really care about your opinions on Musk or Soros. You’re just making assumptions and defaming someone without understanding their true motives. I still wonder how old you are—your perspective might make more sense to me if I knew where you were coming from in terms of age. It seems like you may be younger, and I could understand your views better with that context.
I am most probably older than you, Sharlee, and yet I agree with Willows perspective on this. So it has nothing to do with age and maturity......
My European friends complain about Musk's arrogance and gall interfering with the conduct of their Governments. That, in itself, is bad enough.
My point, and I think my context offers a good understanding of what I hoped to share. "I don’t really care about your opinions on Musk or Soros. You’re just making assumptions and defaming someone without understanding their true motives. " Shar
I find it immature to insult a mere stranger, to insinuate another intention, and she previously pointed out "he was born in South Africa". "Trump is bought and paid for by Musk. " These kinds of statements are in my view, unnecessary, they hold no relevance or factual content.
I see this clearly—Musk has become a major talking point because the media dislikes that he supports MAGA. Before he decided to switch sides, they treated him like their golden boy, praising his many business ventures. Now, he’s not just a liability to them; he’s someone who can buy and sell them, using his wealth to back a candidate he feels aligns with his aspirations and hopes for America. I’ve always respected Elon Musk for his great spirit and ingenuity. Without individuals like Elon, we’d still be hooking up horses in harnesses to get us where we needed to be.
Just consider—if LA and the surrounding area didn’t have Starlink during these fires, it’s very possible many areas would be without internet access entirely. Why? Traditional infrastructure, like cell towers and fiber cables, is vulnerable to damage during natural disasters. Starlink, being satellite-based, can provide a reliable backup or even primary internet service in such situations.
This highlights how important innovations like Starlink can be, especially when traditional systems fail. Starlink has proven invaluable not only during natural disasters but also in times of war. It offers a resilient communication system that is essential for national security, ensuring we stay connected when it matters most.
I am grateful to beable to call him an America.
I just like to think that ones true motives are demonstrated by their actions. I have article after article of Musk attacking legitimately elected governments in the U.K. And Europe, referring to the German chancellor with a childish name. I don't like people that get so rich that they forget that not everything is for sale. The people and their choice of government within a democratic framework is one such example where he needs to stay out of affairs of other nations, and take his wealth elsewhere, because most of us are not for sale. Being such a semi-official emissary from Donald Trump, taints Trump and his intention for the region in a negative light prior to his even taking the oath. Like I told Arthur from the U.K., In America, great wealth does not necessarily correlate with great wisdom.
He is a talented inventor and innovator, maybe he needs to stay in that realm and stop rousing the right wing rabble in countries where they are clearly in the minority. His attitude about the DOGE and his dabble in foreign affairs has left me with an entirely negative impression that is based upon observation and press reports.
We have a different impression regarding the man and we may to conclude that it is an impasse.
The "golden boy" stuff is an subjective opinion on your part. The change came when Musk embraced the Right, more than willing to bend knee at Trumps throne.
Willow and I are always going to be far away from you in our views of this man, and it not because your view is so rational and the contrary view so much in error.
The issue is EXACTLY how they make their money...
EXACTLY how one profits by hurting others, individuals and nation states...
And how the other has worked his entire life to build things and move humanity forward.
That IS the point.
One destroys...
One creates and improves...
Damn, full MAGA.
I mean, it's been obvious. Still, sad.
What has been obvious? What are my guesses?
Is it that I am now "full MAGA"? Or Musk is full MAGA? Or that Musk really is the shadow President? Or . . . what?
As for "sad," if it is applied to me, save it for someone else. It doesn't reflect well.
GA
I think they've attempted to cancel him out, but in my view, it's a very obvious ploy that's already fizzling out. It's only a matter of time before they turn their attention to one another. These kinds of tactics have become so blatantly obvious and, to some, almost desperate-looking.
A segment of CNN panelists spoke to the claims and innuendos being purposeful wedges intended to enflame an ego to create division between the two. Sounds right to me.
I think it's a legitimate ploy. Both sides do it and everyone knows it's a political ploy. Sometimes they work. I don't think we've seen whether this one will, yet.
GA
Is Musk the only one that gave billions to Trump?
Musk gave 265 million.
then there is a big gap and investor Timothy Mellon gave 150 million.
They don't give the money away for free. Of course they want something in return. Wouldn't you?
Perhaps it was funny if it didn't show the huge corruption of the Trump party and the US as a country.
Thanks?
I never used X, and Facebook and Insta I only use with my family. I do not have, dont need, wont have Bluesky.
So my yuck was for other reasons.
Echo Chamber... Fringe... Much like Truth Social is only used by a section of our society.
Facebook... Twitter/x... Will remain relevant and far outreaching anything set up as an alternative for the foreseeable future.
I always think of the book Big Sky that I read decades ago when I see Blue Sky ... Such a completely different world we live in compared to that glimpse into the past.
He had lived a man's life, and now it was at an end, and what had he to show for it?
Two horses and a few fixin's and a letter of credit for three hundred and forty-three dollars. That was all, unless you counted the way he had felt about living and the fun he had had while time ran along unnoticed.
It had been rich doings, except that he wondered at the last, seeing everything behind him and nothing ahead. It was strange about time: it slipped under a man like quiet water, soft and unheeded but taking a part of him with every drop - a little quickness of the muscles, a little sharpness of the eye, a little of his youngness, until by and by he found it had taken the best of him almost unbeknownst. He wanted to fight it then, to hold it back, to catch what had been borne away.
It wasn't that he minded going under, it wasn't that he was afraid to die and rot and forget and be forgotten; it was that things were lost to him more and more - the happy feeling, the strong doing [the sharp mind]
Great blurb. I saw it as I read it. The closing was the perfect statement.
GA
CNN has been all over the Meta story this morning.
A CNN host spoke with Gov.Sununu this morning and asked him who would be responsible for 'finding the truth' without the fact-checkers.
The governor's answer seemed to flummox the host. He said the user was responsible.
Later ... In a segment about a Musk post where he called a user a retard. The host couldn't say the word (called it the "R-word") and the image of the post had the word retard burred out.
Of course, it's not polite (now) to use the word, but to blur it out? That's cowardice. And that's our current state of affairs.
GA
"And that's our current state of affairs."
With jest, I will have to fact check that.
You picked an easy one to fact-check. Start with when an illegal alien became an illegal immigrant who then became an undocumented immigrant who could also be an undocumented worker.
GA
Yup, on 'your' chosen topic. I am not even sure what your aim was. Did it have something to do with immigration? Don't confuse the hell out of me. If you can't make up your mind what in the hell do you expect me to do? Fact check it? C'mon . . . get real.
My aim was to irritate Liberals. Anything that seems to praise Musk also seems to irritate them.
The immigration line was to address your fact-checking of the ". . . current state of affairs."
GA
Did you hear Trump's response to the question during his dining room presser today? Reporter asked Trump if Zuckerberg acted in response to Trump's previous threats... Trump's response? "Yeah probably".
Zuck is such a weenie. Waiting for his response...
Or maybe he is a realist. If so, he has some big-name company: Disney, McDonald's, and several other international companies that are dropping DEI programs.
GA
"My aim was to irritate Liberals. Anything that seems to praise Musk also seems to irritate them."
Missed that, thought you were going for thoughts on free expression via free speech on social media. Like those better--- "My aim was to irritate Liberals. Anything that seems to praise Musk also seems to irritate them" Seems it worked.
I ask your forgiveness. With the original reply with jest I was being facetious about 'current state of affairs', which the 'key' word is "Current". Current meaning the state of 'Now'. I must have missed the mark that being how do you fact check, 'Now'.
The reply to your fact checking names for illegal immigrant was just making fun of 'Fact checking' following the theme of 'Current', of which is the state of 'Now'.
Otherwise, I am thankful I am not a liberal.
To borrow a phrase: Okay . . . ;-)
There was nothing 'deep' or partisan about the 'poke', it was just a for-fun poke.
GA
Thanks!
Like I shared once upon a time, I am kicking back watching chaos theory unfold while entropy seeks to predict the future.
I am playing around with . . .
I won't post the pic of popcorn, though the popping of corn is illustrative of entropy in action. Using the illustration think of Shannon's Information Theory and its relationship with Entropy. Then ponder the new policy with Meta while remembering the phenomena of misinformation.
Certainty ↔ Uncertainty
I shan't think of it I tell you. I shan't. I shan't because I don't know what it is, and I'm betting a bit of rebellious credibility that if I did look it up it would end where so many other 'look-ups' have: to the unchangeable and inevitability of human nature and the psyche it creates, will be the root cause regardless of the topic.
That's something I already know.
Still, you know I will look it up now.
[EDIT ADDED}
Oops. I'll have some fries with that crow, please.
GA
And if the prevailing sentiment turns against the oligarchs, how long until "there's too much misinformation, we have to monitor and control it for your own good.?" SO predictable.
Musk always seems to find a reason to silence his opponents
I was suspicious of Musk and his motives from the very beginning This arrogant world's richest man shows a lack of decorum and wisdom that I value more than money. But the Right always assumes that the richest man is always the smartest and best qualified, I beg to differ in that opinion.The Boy Blunder has been stoking the rise of the most dangerous Right wing politics in both Germany and Britain. My olfactory senses are still good, and in Musk, I smelled a rat.
https://thehill.com/policy/internationa … k-germany/
Does anyone realize how the biden administration controlled Facebook? They blatantly censored speech.
"Zuckerberg regrets bowing to Biden 'pressure' over Covid
Meta boss Mark Zuckerberg says he regrets bowing to what he calls pressure from the Biden administration to "censor" content on Facebook and Instagram during the coronavirus pandemic.
In a letter sent to a US House committee chair, he said some material – including humour and satire – was taken down in 2021 under pressure from senior officials.
The White House has defended its actions, saying it encouraged "responsible actions to protect public health and safety".
Mr Zuckerberg also said his firm briefly "demoted" content relating to Joe Biden's son, Hunter, ahead of the 2020 election, after the FBI warned of "a potential Russian disinformation" operation.
It later became clear that this content was not part of such an operation, Mr Zuckerberg said, and it should not have been temporarily taken down.
Mr Zuckerberg did not give further detail about the actions he regretted during the pandemic. At that time, his business removed posts for a variety of reasons.
Mr Zuckerberg said the decisions made were the decisions of his business, but that the “government pressure was wrong”.
He continued: "We made some choices that, with the benefit of hindsight and new information, we wouldn't make today."
Mr Zuckerberg said he and Meta would be ready to "push back" if something similar happened in the future.
His letter was addressed to Jim Jordan, the chair of the House judiciary committee, which has been investigating content moderation on online platforms. Republicans said the letter was a "big win for free speech".
In a statement issued to the website Politico, the White House stood by its actions.
It said: “Our position has been clear and consistent: we believe tech companies and other private actors should take into account the effects their actions have on the American people, while making independent choices about the information they present.”
Hunter Biden controversy
Mr Zuckerberg's comments on Hunter Biden refer to the story of a laptop that was abandoned by the president's son at a repair shop in Delaware - as first reported by the New York Post.
The newspaper claimed emails found on the computer suggested his business abroad had influenced US foreign policy while his father was vice-president.
The president and his family have denied any wrongdoing.
The story became a notable right-wing talking point in the US, and a point of contention as some social media platforms censored the content.
Mr Zuckerberg said the story was temporarily demoted on his platforms while going through a fact-check - after a warning from the FBI of a potential Russian disinformation operation, and "in retrospect, we shouldn't have demoted the story," Mr Zuckerberg wrote.
"We've changed our policies and processes to make sure this doesn't happen again."
Mr Zuckerberg also said he did not plan to make any more contributions to supporting electoral infrastructure.
In 2020, he donated $400m (£302m) via his philanthropic Chan Zuckerberg Initiative which was intended to help government offices conduct the election during the pandemic.
However, misinformation spread rapidly on social media accusing Mr Zuckerberg of effectively using a loophole to skirt maximum donation limits in a bid to get Mr Biden elected.
Mr Zuckerberg said his donations "were designed to be non-partisan".
"Still, despite the analyses I've seen showing otherwise, I know that some people believe this work benefited one party over the other.
"My goal is to be neutral and not play a role on way or another - or to even appear to be playing a role - so I don't plan on making a similar contribution this cycle."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czxlpjlgdzjo
This forum topic seems the most active today, Wed 01/08. Just passing on some information I learned one may like to know.
"Post Offices Will Close January 9TH in National Day of Observance. MINNESOTA — Post Offices will be closed on Thursday, January 9, 2025, in National Day of Observance to honor former President Jimmy Carter, who died Dec. 29 at age 100.
https://about.usps.com/newsroom/local-r … rvance.htm
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