Yes. I do like the idea of the inhalor thingie though. So discreet..
You know, if I could get me some, I wouldn't be here arguing with people so much. I'd be like, oh yer a christian? That's cool man....
when you do get ahold of some, just try eating it - no smok m, eat m! yum. better for ya, and so on
All they really do is make you feel really happy and make you hungry. They won't kill you. So, sure. Why not?
I won't be doing it, but it's not fair that cigarettes are legal, yet they can kill you, but weed can't kill you.
Well that's not entirely true! There are many, well documented studies that connect ill effects with marijuana use. It isn't good for you by any stretch of the imagination, however, that is NO reason to make it's possession illegal!
who did these studies? i'd love to see them. in all my scholarly research of marijuana's effects and uses the majority of studies that found ill-effects usually had poor controls...many of the ones cited also include cocaine and nicotine use which negates the findings completely, imo.
guess i will be on another research binge.
what kinds of ill-effects do you mean?
YES...even those who do not partake should be in favor, imo.
unless they are in favor of prohibiting the use of the much more dangerous and much more inebriating alcohol.
how many people have died from marijuana? 0
how many people die just from overdosing on alcohol? alcohol related diseases? fetal alcohol syndrome? domestic violence? drunk driving? i could go on...
people need to educate themselves instead of blindly believing FALSE propaganda. marijuana is one of the most harmless substances on the planet. our ancestors have been using it medicinally for as long as we know. its proven medicinal benefit with almost NO side effects are staggering, its a damn shame that people still don't know this and deny many people who would benefit from this herb (themselves especially) the right to ingest something less toxic and less of a risk to OTHERS health or safety than pharmaceuticals, alcohol, nicotine, etc....
It is also great for some CNS pain, and is apparently ordained by all gods, as it has it's own neurological pathway in the human body!
yes, i will find the video of a man with MS, spasticity. poor guy looks miserable, then he takes a puff of a pipe (with help as he can't even hold a pipe up to his mouth) and immediately calmed to the point of being able to speak normally and sit normally and even light the pipe by himself. anyone who would deny him this is just cruel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEOoa6Q4Bds
Who do You work for?...PARANOIA!!
Smoke-in Weed does that ya know...
No. The people who say yes, what do you think legalizing would achieve? The crack head are still going to be crack heads. The violent are still going to be violent..
just people who smoken' zee weedz not zo paranoid, yezzzz!?
wait, making it illegal doesnt stop violence either? does it? did I read that wrong.....
That's crackheads. BIG difference! The jails are overcrowded with nonviolent offenders. We need to make room for sexual predators and real criminals and take out the tree hugging hippies that got caught with some pot. The only drug you CANT overdose from!!
I agre that our prisons could be put to better use than housing minor drug offenders but there are other options electronic monitoring and such.
so, are you sayin' just because you smoke up a nice fat one and got a little extra left for next week, maybe enuf to last thro nex month if you are real careful, you should have to walk around with a leg monitor for 6 - 9 mos? gimme a break!
I'm neutral on the question of legalization but would like to address the comment that weed is the only drug on which you cannot overdose.
While that may be true in some sense, my wife and I have a bit of real life experience which indicates you certainly can become deeply addicted to pot...and that the addiction can produce some pretty undesirable behavior. No, not as users; neither of us use (because, quite simply, we're both allergic to it).
Just one example (of many possible): We had a young man, age 25, living with us for a few weeks. He'd known my wife and her son for years and stated emphatically that he'd like to hang with us for a while--at least until we get settled into the house I'm still building, even if that took a year or more. For the first ten days or so, he was truly helpful...except that he was only here about half of the time.
It turned out that whenever he ran out of pot, he simply had to "go on the hunt". His driver's license was long gone (DUI plus other stuff), and his only set of wheels was quite remarkable. He'd taken a tiny tote gote engine, frame, and rear wheel...grafted a front bicycle wheel and ape hanger bicycle handlebars onto that...welded another set of bicycle handlebars upside down to serve as road pegs (he was inventive!)...and away he'd go. Butt about eight inches off the ground, a truly Uneasy Rider, max speed about 10 mph.
After he'd score some pot--which might take anywhere from overnight to three days--he'd call for a ride back to our place, because his improvised scooter always broke down.
And, no matter how much or how little weed he'd managed to acquire, it was always gone within 24 hours. Always.
The full list of his misdeeds and string of burned bridges would take far too much space for the average hub, let alone this comment, so I'll stop here. I do realize pot advocates may well say, "Hey, he'd have been addicted to something else if it wasn't green." That may even be the unvarnished truth.
But the fact remains that his current "addiction of choice" is indeed the weed...and that his pursuit of smoke has made him a marked man with all who know him.
"We need to make room for sexual predators and real criminals and take out the tree hugging hippies that got caught with some pot"
Then maybe those idiots should stop doing pot.
i hate to interject---but there are many substances that are far worse socially and physically to individuals. I think that the point is that the government, nor any other judgmental peers, should have the right to prohibit use of a basically harmless (in every way) substance.
so i guess for the legality then one could argue it is better to quit smoking pot--but just because its easier to keep it illegal does that make it just? i don't think so.
how many 100's of years was slavery the status quo...
i understand that is an issue of much more devastating outcomes--my point is that sticking with what is easiest is not always the *right* or even the best thing to do.
a lot of good could be done for the economy, at least lessen some of the strain of the 'war on drugs'
people are going to use it...legal or not. obviously. why penalize people and tear apart families for something that is *better* for you than alcohol...the only devastating effects of marijuana are possible incarceration.
i'm done rambling. and i'll pop out again.
but man, i can't wait until the progressive generations take full hold of society. those of you still insisting on keeping the 'status quo' are only prolonging the inevitable. and hey, what you all got here right now, ain't working.
@Sab Maybe you need to smoke a big spliff and relax
Naw. Don't legalize it for recreational use. DO legalize it for medical use with prescription....NOT Marinol, the synthetic form of THC, but the real thing. Make it available in a nebulizer (inhaler).
Yes, and while your at it; legalize Robitussin DM, um, wait....never mind......
When a law is unjust, it is the duty of everyman to disobey it! Marijuana laws are unjust.
Yes trees! Many trees could be saved if marijuana was legal. Hemp can be used to make many things like paper, and clothing but would be a direct competitor with the lumber industry which is one reason it's not legal!
just get it leagalised and stop hating! why not get their priorities out. crack down on the rapists and murderers not the peace lovers.
Most drug violence is between dealers over territory or a result of robberies of dealers to get their drugs and money. Sometimes folks are caught in the crossfire. So removing the profit motive,, which is substantial BECAUSE drugs are illegal would go a long way towards curbing violence. Remember these substances were all legal before the 20s... remember prohibition and all the violence surrounding the alcohol trade?
We debated this in college and a professor (whom I assumed was a user ), gaves us this: The tax base created by legalizing marajuana could bring in more than 1.2 billion in tax revenue based on the number of people who admit to using in a survey.
The crime, petty and violent associated with the sales of marajuana would be cut dramatically...not eliminated but a big enough impact made to make it worth it.
It would create new jobs in the agricultural field both in the public sector but the federal and state governments as well.
These are just some of the +++++'s
I'm for it. Legalize and tax it.
I used to be for only medicinal use, but now I'm all for recreational legalization because of the revenue it will generate, because there has never been a single incidence of violence CAUSED by someone who smoked a bowl (okay, for those of you who didn't understand "trees," that means a pipe with a bowl on it filled with marijuana), and because it makes absolutely NO sense to allow alcohol use but not weed.
I DO agree with whoever said, "Put it in an inhaler." Didn't know that was possible! (Vaporizers are so expensive...)
I'm getting ready to write a hub on "Marijuana use for Autism..." Keep your eyes open for it.
Why tax it? How could you even begin to collect taxes on a weed? Let's face it, if it is ever legalized, everyone will just grow their own!
Government doesn't need any more revenue, what they need is discipline on the spending side! It's time they stick to the responsibilities given them by the constitution and forget the rest!
In the countries where it is tolerated or de-criminalized the vast majority of user are not growing their own and in Amsterdam it is taxed. Plus the saving in law enforcement. A Harvard University professor of economics, Jeffrey Miron, has determined that legalizing marijuana would save $7.7 billion annually in money spent on enforcing dope laws.
That breaks down to $5.3 billion in savings for state and local governments, and $2.4 billion in cost reductions at the federal level. Meanwhile, Harvard's Miron estimates that tax revenue for legalized pot would run about $2.4 billion annually if it were taxed like all other goods.
Prohibition has already worked so well with marijuana. We should just keep it illegal and keep kids from getting educations who use it so they stay on the street and become worse criminals. Keeping pot heads in prison is a much better use of tax money then keeping murders and rapists in prison. That is why there are only mandatory minimum sentencing laws for drugs.
oh man, don't tell me this shit is illegal?
legal for sure within 2 years here in Canada
thought it was
Society has no need of more harmful vices than we already have. Not "why not?" but why? No reason to other than to satisfy the hedonistic and selfish desires of a small minority.
That minority may not be as small as you think Sab.
I have smoked marijuana in the past and think it's much less harmful than alcohol. Many reputable scientific studies support the conclusion that cocaine, heroine, alcohol, and even cigarettes are more dangerous to the users health than marijuana.
On another note: It would seem common sense that any foreign compound or chemical you smoke, eat, snort or inject that doesn't occur naturally in the body will have some form of adverse effect at some point...We all know that smoking cigarettes can cause cancer, emphysema and more...but if they did a study on my grandmother (80 years old) who has smoked Camel non-filters from the age of 14 they would be shocked...her doctors say her lungs are great...no sign of damage at all....does that mean smoking is harmless?? We know better...as we should know there are health risks from smoking marijuana. Do you really need a study to tell you this?
Sad speaks as though weed just showed up out of nowhere over the past half century, and is either in denial or ignorant of the hows and whys of weeds criminalization....
There is no need to set up punishments and incur the unnecessary public debt to go after and prosecute marijuana related matters.....in order to stop the flow of dollars into the hands of terrorists/criminals and halt their influence on our society it would, in my opinion, to enable Americans to do as they always have done....
Mr. Washington grew his own...why should I not?
If one is truly caring about cutting deficit spending and eliminating unnecessary spending of our tax dollars (as well as interested in cutting criminal influences) one would support this concept.....
Why should Mellon and Dupont continue to benefit?
Before criminalization marijuana grew freely along the banks of the Hudson River, and people would venture into the "weeds" whenever they desired and pick for themselves.....less than 100 years ago....
Read up Sab....and recognize the real world....
"Mr. Washington grew his own...why should I not?"
And he also owned slaves, so why shouldn't you?
It's a stupid, irrational argument.
Potheads just want their little fix like a child wants its pacifier. Tough luck kids.
All of which comes down to "I want, I want, I want!"
Just gonna throw this out there...if it's been mentioned already, I apologize...didn't EVERY comment.
More people die everyday from alcohol related drunk driving accidents and that's legal! Tell me the last time you've heard of someone "stoned" out of their minds on marajuana fatally injuring someone? Hell, they're too worried about raiding the fridge...it takes too much energy to start that car. Not to mention driving fast...probably not gonna happen...Whete's the gas pedal???
So, you support the financing of international and domestic terrorism/crime, and government waste Sad?
You support corporate usurpation of government processes to build monopolies for themselves (hemp based products replaced with wood-based)....
You support government intervention into the lives of private citizens?
You are a good American..
Ah, so pot should be legal because YOU are a liberal? Brilliant.
pot should be legal because its natural and relatively harmless.
i still am waiting for some proof of ill effects associated with marijuana.
besides the propaganda spread about it for decades there is no real reason to see marijuana as anymore of a hedonistic vice as fast food, donuts, alcohol, starbucks, etc. none of those have any actual value beyond satisfying a person in some mildly harmful way. all of those things are far more physically harmful than marijuana, any day.
so i respect Sab Oh's opinion. but i ask, do you, Sab Oh, agree with such hedonistic and selfish desires as drinking alcohol or even coffee?
I see more and more why you choose to go after Obama, and keep your Bush/Cheney amnesia going....
I wonder what you are inbibing that makes you so silly...
As liberal as George Washington....you betcha...
I think Benjamin Franklin was doing some smoking of his own....did Thomas Jefferson grow any on his plantation?...I wonder..
Then again, these men were wildly liberal men...enough to wage a physical revolution...
The conservatives, the real conservatives,ran off to Canada for the most part...upsetting the French society already in place..
And marijuana is legal there....
Again....you don't answer the direct questions I placed to you...
You can try to dance...but only you see it having any affect...
There are some negative effects, such as the smoking side, but I like what frick said bout junk food being worse lol. I don't really see it as a big issue for me, I used to smoke it a long time ago, I don't think people should be put in jail for it or punished
So long as the default argument is "but what about this OTHER bad stuff?" the potheads will get nowhere with their hedonistic crusade.
Love the terminology TK, a bit easy to see where your coming from. Do we call social drinkers drunkards then?
The argument for legalising pot is sound enough. As our anti-drugs commissioner in the UK said before he was replaced with a raving lock-em-all-up loony conservative political climber:
"Hard drugs are the plague and pot is the rat it comes in on."
paraphrased from memory.
Legalising soft drugs, like pot and some pills, simply breaks the chain of the asshole who is selling your kids pot moving them on to worse things so easily.
Marijuana is harmless except for.....
A recent study by the Kaiser Permanente Center found that daily marijuana-only smokers have a 19% higher rate of respiratory complaints than non-smokers. These findings were not unexpected, since it has long been known that, aside from its psychoactive ingredients, marijuana smoke contains virtually the same toxic gases and carcinogenic tars as tobacco. Human studies have found that pot smokers suffer similar kinds of respiratory damage as tobacco smokers, putting them at greater risk of bronchitis, sore throat, respiratory inflammation and infections.
laced weed (though i think that risk is small anyway)
ghost32: but addiction is not overdosing. and honestly, a person that reacts or does those things on marijuana likely has problems beyond the thc. the man you speak of sounds more like a tweeker than a pot head, but regardless you can't blame the whole of someone's bad or eccentric behavior on a substance that most people tolerate supremely well. i just think its a bit unfair for marijuana to be demonized because a few irresponsible people or because of the false propaganda spread by programs such as D.A.R.E.
storm ryder: i do know that the irritation caused by the smoke does leave the tissue vulnerable and often leads to the smokers-cough except with smoking cigarettes this often leads to cancer or another serious disease, even once the person quits. i actually read a study that stated marijuana was found to prevent respiratory cancers in those who also smoked tobacco cigarettes.
marijuana has immediate and long lasting effects on brain function.
tobacco has subtle and temporary effects on mood & appetite.
I say No to legalization of marijuana
but overall health? tobacco has serious effects on overall health, marijuana does not cause worse effects than prescription medication people go bankrupt trying to afford.
tobacco & marijuana both have adverse effects on health - which is worse? or are they equal?
Again....going against legalization of weed does nothing to stem its supply or demand....
Rather, it just heaps up wasteful spending of tax dollars, enables the government to jump into more peoples' lives, and makes criminals out of ordinary people...and enables criminals/terrorist to grow wealthy off that ongoing stream of disappeared cash.....
Further, criminalized weed pushes people to living double lives...secret lives, which opens the doors to lots of other behaviors that are not so good...
These should be the issues discussed when talking about decriminalization of weed...everything else is pointless.
Okay, so this means you are AGAINST legalization of weed.
The legalization would help increase revenue. Yes, this is obvious. However, if legalized then is won't promote criminals, as you claim it would. If anything, more people would start selling it and going into business for themselves, which would actually drive the Economy. There are plenty of people who refuse sell, but use. Use carries a lessor charge than selling or distributing.
Your statement about "enables criminals/terrorist to grow wealthy off the ongoing stream of disappeared cash...?" Is completely hot air. Did you say this just to say it?
All the more reason to legalize it.
Who was talking about "decriminalization" of weed. We are talking about LEGALIZING it. There is a difference.
Example: Weed in Massachusetts, IS decriminalized. Voted on and passed by the citizens. Those who are carrying less than 1 ounce, simply loses their merchandise and receives $100 ticket for first offense. Second offense, goes to $300 and Third, and any further offense is $500.
Now, if legalized. The tickets will disappear and no one will be arrested for any amount they have or happen to have on them.
Please, I know you have issues with some of the problems, but thinking outside the box is more preferred, than being limited by hate rants of government.
I am for the legalization of weed....which is the same as decriminalization.....they are synonymous phrases...
Did you not read all of my post? Or what you wanted to read?
Decriminalization and Legalization are two separate subjects.
My example of the LAW in Mass, shows you decriminalization.
Legalization VOIDS Law. What part do you not understand?
Wow, what a response...and maybe that is the term for "decriminalization" in Massechussetts, but here in California, if you have under an ounce they get a 25 dollar traffic ticket...not even a criminal charge...
Plus, thats if they even file the ticket.....and if they even care to write one up....
So, decriminalization here would mean that one could not get anything confiscated....that one could become an LAPD officer and not have to pass weed tests....
Officers here, at least LAPD, are already allowed to smoke weed "recreationally" in small amounts...if anyone is really watching anyway....
So, you may be right in your case...but there are other cases for some reason...
It is hard to tell tone sometimes through the written form, unless repoir is already established....
Old Saddie I understand well, but you Casgil, I don't...
Smiley faces don't communicate much...and I don't want to read too much into your words...
well decriminalization and legalization are similar, but not synonymous.
i doubt that LAPD officers are allowed to smoke marijuana at all when in the very same state people at most jobs are still asked to drug test and will be refused employment if they pee THC.
california has come a long way in legalization and the laws have become more lax. i do have a friend who was arrested for marijuana possession, with a cannabis club card/Rx, after being held for a short period of time he was released, free and clear. i imagine it was strange having cops hand you your substantial (more than i ever have on me) amount of weed and let you walk out the door with it.
i don't doubt that LAPD officers smoke, but i do doubt that they are "allowed" to.
so, i agree with cags.
in cali we have begun the process of legalization, though we aren't there yet.
i think decriminalization, for a great many people at least, is what we have so far.
Yes, Double_Frick. That is the present stage America is at. It's been decriminalized, so as to slow down the prison population. Some people do really stupid stuff and get caught with it(a little), and go to prison.
The Government has conceded people are going to smoke it. The next step is to legalize it. However, can the Government find a way to tax the people on their consumption? I'm hard press to see how. The flow of weed into America is 100x what it was 20 years ago. That including American growers.
They are....my brother went through the hiring process a year ago...and worked with the department in civilliam capacities for several years prior...his best friend is currently and officer...
I have good sources...
I also have a brother currently on parole...and I have gotten to know the parole officers and system well...
Personal experiences speak volumes....
Oh yeah, there was this guy once who...wait..
Legalization is the goal, though, Casgil...to argue over semantics when we are both on the same side is like Armenian and Mexican youths fighting one another over identity....
The house divided against itself cannot stand...
"to argue over semantics when we are both on the same side is like Armenian and Mexican youths fighting one another over identity...."
Don't worry Saddie...I didn't forget about you... You really seem to need attention for some reason...
You often have nothing useful to say, but waste space anyway...
I support your exercise of free speech...but that would be the only reason..
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