Who controls America?

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   lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

   All this talk of gvt. takeover leads me to wonder...take over from who?
   Us? Don't make me laugh.
   Who is it that has control of our gvt? It's the corporations, banks and military isn't it?
   So, the way I see it, the Democrats in power now are trying to eek out what little they can for "we the people" while they have the chance.
   I see the tea-bag protesters as working for the corporations to get their control back.
   
   And they use cynical and nasty means to do it.....Warren Ballentince calls them stupid geniuses. They are using stupid ideas...like "Obama hates white people", and then make buku bucks on their radio shows, tv shows and Freedom Foundation sponsored rallies for it.
   
   They have no intention of calling for unity...it would put a big dent in their money machine.

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      SparklingJewelposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      ...you may be correct, that there are conservative Republican establishment types only trying to continue to receive their piece of the pie at taxpayer expense... some posing as TEA Party type people, even trying to takeover that cause with their own little twist...but
      
      there are true TEA Party people that are in it for honest justice and alignment with the Constitution and all that is good in that.
      There is a big distinction to be made...the True TEA Party people are non-political, and want everyone to step up to the plate and get Constitutionally informed of their individual rights, liberties and freedoms, and truly understand their citizen power with government and vote for good people in office...
      
      We are doomed as a free nation if the citizens don't get informed and stand up for American Constitutional Freedom.

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      rhamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      With the appointments of White House staff and agency positions the control is clearly relegated to the insider and cronies as usual.
      
      The following is listed in this order: Appointee, Agency Administration position, Former employer, Selected former lobbying clients 
             
           
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      Barnes, Melody Domestic Policy Council Director Raben Group ACLU; Center for Reproductive Rights
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      Barrien, Jacquelin Equal Employment Opportunity Commission Commissioner NAACP Legal Defense Fund NAACP Legal Defense Fund
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      Beliveau, Emmett White House Deputy Assistant for Advance Patton Boggs PriceWaterhouseCoopers; Worldwide Medical Technologies; Shaw Group
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      Butts, Cassandra White House Deputy Counsel Center for American Progress Center for American Progress
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      Corr, William Health and Human Services Deputy Secretary Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids
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      Coven, Martha White House Special Assistant Center on Budget & Policy Priorities Center on Budget & Policy Priorities
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      Crowley, Phillip J. State Department Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs Center for American Progress Center for American Progress
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      Donilon, Thomas National Security Agency Deputy National Security Advisor Fannie Mae Fannie Mae
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      Douglas, Derek White House Special Assistant for Urban Affairs O'Melveny & Myers; Center for American Progress Public Transportation Safety Int'l Corp.; Center for American Progress
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      Frye, Jocelyn Office of the First Lady Director of Policy and Projects Nat'l Partnership for Women & Families Nat'l Partnership for Women & Families
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      Gaspard, Patrick White House Political Affairs Director SEIU SEIU
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      Gomez, Gabriella Department of Education Assistant Secretary American Federation of Teachers American Federation of Teachers
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      Harden, Krysta Department of Agriculture Assistant Secretary Gordley Associates National Barley Growers Association; National Sunflower Association; American Soybean Association; U.S. Canola Association
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      Harris, Scott Department of Energy General Counsel Harris, Wilshire & Grannis Microsoft; Cisco; Dell; Sprint
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      Hayes, David Interior Department Deputy Secretary Latham & Watkins Sempra Energy; San Diego Gas & Electric; General Cigar Holdings
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      Eric L. Hirschhorn Department of Commerce Under Secretary for Export Administration Winston & Strawn Lockheed Martin; Sun Chemicals
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      Hoffman, Alan Office of the Vice President Deputy Chief of Staff Timmons & Co.; RAND Corporation RAND Corporation, Unocal
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      Holder, Eric DOJ Attorney General Covington & Burling Global Crossing; Large Scale Biology Corporation
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      Kennedy, Sean White House Special Assistant AT&T AT&T
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      Klain, Ron Office of the Vice President Chief of Staff O'Melveny & Myers Time Warner; ImClone; Fannie Mae
      
           
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      Liebowitz, Jon Federal Trade Commission Chairman Motion Picture Association of America Motion Picture Association of America
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      Litt, Robert Office of the Director of National Intelligence General Counsel Arnold & Porter Recording Industry Association of America
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      Lynn, William J. Department of Defense Deputy Secretary Raytheon Raytheon
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      Marantis, Demetrios J. U.S. Trade Representative Deputy USTR Akin Gump Lucent Technologies
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      McDonough, Dennis White House Deputy Assistant to the President Center for American Progress Center for American Progress
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      Munoz, Cecilia White House Director of Intergovernmental Affairs National Council of La Raza National Council of La Raza
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      Panetta, Leon CIA Director Cassidy & Associates Seismic Safety Coalition
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      Patterson, Mark Treasury Department Chief of Staff Goldman Sachs Goldman Sachs
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      Perciasepe, Robert Environmental Protection Agency Deputy Commissioner National Audubon Society National Audubon Society
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      Perrelli, Thomas J. Department of Justice Associate Attorney General Jenner & Block American Survivors of 8/7/98 Bombings of Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania
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      Poneman, Daniel Department of Energy Deputy Secretary Hogan & Hartson Payless Shoe Source
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      Punke, Michael U.S. Trade Representative Deputy USTR, WTO Mayer Brown Time Warner
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      Rundlet, Peter White House Deputy Assistant Center for American Progress Center for American Progress
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      Sapiro, Miriam U.S. Trade Representative Deputy USTR VeriSign VeriSign
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      Sebelius, Kathleen Health and Human Services Secretary Kansas Trial Lawyers Association Kansas Trial Lawyers Association
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      Sher, Susan Office of the First Lady Chief of Staff University of Chicago Hospitals University of Chicago Hospitals
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      Isi Siddiqui U.S. Trade Representative Chief Agricultural Negotiator CropLife America CropLife America
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      Singiser, Dana White House Special Assistant to the President for Legislative Affairs  Akin Gump AT&T; Motion Picture Association of America; Apollo Advisors; American Express; Mortgage Insurance Companies of America; Pfizer; Bank of New York
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      Stoner, Nancy Environmental Protection Agency Deputy Assistant Administrator for Water Natural Resources Defense Council Natural Resources Defense Council
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      Strautmanis, Michael White House Office of Intergovernmental Affairs Chief of Staff Association of Trial Lawyers of America Association of Trial Lawyers of America
      
           
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      Strickland, Thomas Department of the Interior Assistant Secretary Hogan & Hartson Amgen
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      Sussman, Robert M. Environmental Protection Agencye Senior Policy Counsel Latham & Watkins Amphastar Pharmaceuticals, Navistar, Business Roundtable
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      Sutphen, Mona White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stonebridge Int'l Angliss Int'l
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      Taylor, Michael Food & Drug Administration Deputy Commissioner for Foods Monsanto Monsanto
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      Trasvina, John Department of Housing and Urban Development Assistant Secretary Mexican American Legal Defense Fund Mexican American Legal Defense Fund
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      Turton, Dan White House Deputy Director of Legislative Affairs Timmons & Co. Freddie Mac; Chrysler; American Medical Association; Visa
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      Varney, Christine DOJ Assistant Attorney General for Antitrust Hogan & Hartson 
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      Verma, Richard State Department Assistant Secretary Steptoe & Johnson Cigna; National Association of Convenience Stores; U.S.-India Business Council
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      Vilsack, Thomas U.S. Department of Agriculture Secretary Dorsey & Whitney; SELF National Education Association
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      Wilkins, William J. IRS Chief Counsel Wilmer Cutler Swiss Bankers Association;

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   Sab Ohposted 13 years ago

   "All this talk of gvt. takeover leads me to wonder...take over from whom?"
   
   From the private sector.
   
   
   "Who is it that has control of our gvt?"
   
   The people who vote.
   
   "It's the corporations, banks and military isn't it?"
   
   No, it isn't.
   
   "I see the tea-party protesters as working for the corporations to get their control back."
   
   Yeah, well you see millions of your fellow Americans as the "enemy" you "hate" so what you see must be taken with a mountain of salt.
   
   "And they use cynical and nasty means to do it"
   
   Unlike the democrats, right?  :roleyes:
   
   "hen make buku bucks on their radio shows, tv shows and Freedom Foundation sponsored rallies for it."
   
   And liberals don't make any money in the media and political fund raising, right? 
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   Yoda called. He wants you to come back from the dark side regardless of who you vote for.

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   lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

   I would love to see the REAL tea-baggers take back their party! I hate that it's been taken over by Palin, Beck and Armey.
   They do a disservice to the original baggers.
   Just ask Ron Paul. Although people would not agree with everything they stand for, it would be an honest and civil debate.
   Without this psychotic hate-rousing propaganda that Freedom Foundation/Fox/Talk radio promotes....cha-ching cha-ching!
   
   
   Ryan Grim
   Big Business, GOP Complain That Health Reform Slashes Corporate Welfare
   First Posted: 03-31-10 10:53 AM   |   Updated: 03-31-10 02:22 PM
    
   
   "The Republican Party and major corporations have joined forces in the first major rearguard attack on health care reform, charging that the cost of complying with "Obamacare" is resulting in hundreds of millions of dollars in added business expenses.
   
   The crime that reform is guilty of: Slashing corporate welfare.
   
   Under the previous system, major corporations were subsidized by the government to provide prescription drug coverage to their retired employees. At the same time, corporations could claim on their tax returns that it was they -- not the taxpayers -- who paid for the drug coverage, and could write the expense off as a tax deduction.
   
   Health care reform cuts out that fat. The corporations still get taxpayer money to help pay for their drug coverage, but they can no longer continue the fiction that they're using their own money to do it."
   
   Another one who's gotten away with murder is the Koch corporation.
   
   "Greenpeace’s attempt to lift the veil of secrecy inherent to a private company like Koch Industries is no easy task.  Because it remains privately owned, Koch faces few of the disclosure requirements designed to increase transparency among publicly-traded companies.
   
   That intentional secrecy allows Koch Industries, the second-largest privately-held company in the United States, to fly largely below the public’s radar."
   
   Don't tell me gvt. is the enemy..... 
   Some of these corporations have been allowed free-reign to do what they like, with no accountability.
   And don't even get into the military...you could google for days.
   Stop telling me helping people with healthcare will bankrupt the country.
   The country has been stolen from for decades!...and not by sick or poor people!

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      Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      "Don't tell me gvt. is the enemy....."
      
      
      No, according to you every registered Republican is the enemy...

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      Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      "Stop telling me helping people with healthcare will bankrupt the country."
      
      Why? You can't accept the notion?

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   Padrinoposted 13 years ago

   "The Republican Party and major corporations have joined forces in the first major rearguard attack on health care reform, charging that the cost of complying with "Obamacare" is resulting in hundreds of millions of dollars in added business expenses."
   
   Glad to see somebody is finally using their heads!

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   kirstenblogposted 13 years ago

   If you really wanna feel scared of who it is that is really in control have a look at David Icke and assume that he is not nuts
   
   There are moments when I wonder if he might not be nuts at all tho those moments are fleeting.....

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      Arthur Fontesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      David Icke is a very entertaining read.  The best book I have read from him is "and The Truth Shall set You Free"
      
      The reptilian bloodline stuff in his other books is a little science fiction for me

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   Greek Oneposted 13 years ago

   I thought we all knew it was China?

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      Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      No, we have established that it is not.

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         Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Did you inform the Chinese of this?

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            Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            They know better than anyone

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   manlypoetrymanposted 13 years ago

   Follow the secret money trail...therein you will find all your answers. (If only the common person could follow the trail enough)
   
   But...I'm pretty sure that those with big ties to getting "bail-outs"...would be a good place to start looking for the secret money. What is the "secret money"? The money that has been funding politicians to do what they want for the past 2 centuries.

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   lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

   Actually, Davic Icke is not the only one to mention reptilian-type beings. Google Phil Shneider. He worked for the military boring underground tunnels...he says they got into a  shoot-out down there with these alien creatures.
   He started going on tour talking about it, and he was murdered.
   
   And George Noory had this guy on last night,Dr. Richard Sauder, who was talking about these underground and underwater bases and tunnels.
   He wrote a book called "Hidden in Plain Sight".
   
   He was really angry...saying that gvt.s had lied, used and abused people for a long time. And the nexus for most of this treachery is here in America. The big Military Industrial Intelligence Complex.
   
   He says there are plenty of people that know what's going on, and they all need to speak up.
   
   Maybe now is the time....Catholic Church is "getting outed"...and astrologer Barbara Hand Clow says the rotten gvt.s and the Catholic Church have been in cahoots for 800 years!
   
   I'm pretty sure most spiritual/religious traditions have a time of truths coming to light.
   Maybe now is the time.

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      Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      x 100

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      LegendaryHeroposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Somebody's been reading too much ATS...

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         Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Or doing too much PCP...

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      Falsor Wingposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      God bless the internet. I would have missed out on so much vital information.

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   Falsor Wingposted 13 years ago

   Visser three.

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    Keep in mind that some of you who ridicule me believe that a woman was impregnated by the Holy Spirit and gave birth to the Son of God.
    He died, and rose from the dead three days later.
    
    If you belive that, what else is possible?
    Don't be so smug and self-righteous.

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    Sab Ohposted 13 years ago

    Is this the religion forum?

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    Some of these worry me, but some of them I like....not that I know much about these agencies...
    
    But remember, it was the Christian Right and the neo-cons who controlled the last administration.
    I'm vastly more comfortable with this one.
    And since they were elected, they get to choose. That's the way it is.
    
    But the price of liberty is eternal vigilance.
    
    I just have a good feeling about what is going on.
    very cautious, but see a glimmer of something...something good.

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       Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       "And since they were elected, they get to choose. That's the way it is."
       
       
       You make a great sheep.

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          rhamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.
          Will Rogers

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