How can we trust these people?

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   lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

   "Before the 2006 midterm elections in which Republicans ultimately took a clobbering, Sen. Mitch McConnell asked President Bush in a private Oval Office meeting to pull some troops out of Iraq in order to boost the GOP's chances, Bush reports in his new memoir.
   
   And in the same month -- September 2006 -- that McConnell made his private request, he publicly blasted Democrats for calling for a reduction of troops in Iraq, saying that their position endangered Americans."
   
   
   The party this man belongs to also obstructed governing, and smeared and lied about a president for two years in order to secure their  power.
   
   
   As a Democrat, how can I trust anything they say or do?

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      GladYaMetMe!posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Don't try, you can't trust a party that sold out to Crapitalist exploiters long ago.

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      PrettyPantherposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      As a human being, how can you trust anything they say or do?

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         kirstenblogposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Do it yourself lobotomy?
         A sheet of potent LSD?
         A few rounds of electroshock therapy?
         A sound knock to the head?
         Powerful anti-psychotic meds?
         
         I am sure one of these would do the job, and a combo would definitely do it in even the toughest cases.

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            coolbreezeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Yes Best answer ever!!!!!

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            Valentine Logarposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Might vote for best answer!

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      shazwellynposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Have you not learned that when you have human behaviour involved in positions of power, that nothing can be trusted?
      
      Food for thought:  Intelligence is the ability to cheat.  Politicians are surrounded with clever people.

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      lady_love158posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      "I can't lose the whole Democratic Party," Obama is quoted as saying.
      
      http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68L5V520100922
      
      The difference between Bush and Obama is Bush did what he believed was right without concern for how he would be portrayed and without concern for his political party.
      
      Obama on the other hand does everything to maintain his hold on power, to promote himself, his image and that of his party, even going so far as making military decisions that would limit his political liability even if it meant losing the lives of his military! Obama is scum! How can you trust him or any Democrat?

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         Valentine Logarposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Typical
         
         Try quoting in context. The President in trying to implement is campaign promises to the people who put him in office was at odds with his military council, his staff and on the other hand if he implemented the proposals of his council and staff his party. This is a one off statement.
         
         He was right no matter what he did he would lose. He has lost.
         
         But typical, quote out of context and you place the man in a bad light.
         
         His worst mistake quite frankly is attempting to negotiate with right wing fanatics.

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            lady_love158posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I posted the source, go read Woodward's book. The context was in trying to decide how big the surge should be! In the end Obama went against the recommendations of his own generals and opted for a smaller force to limit his political liability!
            
            You can spin it anyway you want, but that's the facts!

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               Valentine Logarposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               You have just said exactly what I said. Again Typical.
               
               I did not deny that he went against the advice of his military council.
               
               The differences is in your "spin" and mine is this.
               
               Yes, he recognized what it would cost him with his party and his base. Again I do not and did not deny this. That he expressed it is also not inappropriate under the circumstances. That he made a decision, I suspect based on more that just this is likely the truth, he isn't stupid.
               
               You take a single comment out of context and call it the truth, I suspect without reading the book in its entirety. I am more inclined to take the entire set of circumstances and look at the whole.
               
               I don't like spin. I do like facts. Neither you or I, or for that matter Woodward know Obama's mind on this subject. What we have is conjecture and the reporting of many people with agendas of their own, including Woodward, selling books.

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                  lady_love158posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  The very fact that political liability was a consideration in deploying troops speaks volumes of the type of man Obama is and how he thinks. That isn't spin, it's evidence that supports the view that Obama cares only about maintaining power to carry out his agenda.

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            lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            "His worst mistake quite frankly is attempting to negotiate with right wing fanatics."
            
            Hear Hear!!
            Let's HOPE he stops doing it.
            Or we are all doomed.

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               lady_love158posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               After the last election, it looks like he'll have no choice!

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                  lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Oh really? No choice? Repubs never felt compelled to work with him, or even show him a modicum of respect, and he is the duly ELECTED president.
                  
                  I say he should behave just like they do...."F off, I'm in charge!" That's what Repubs do.
                  
                  Unfortunately, he has more class than that.
                  
                  It's like facing a snarling pit-bull with an outstretched hand of friendship.
                  
                  We'll just have to be the pit bull for him.
                  
                  You had 8 years.....no way in hell are we going back to that nightmare....no matter who got elected to what!
                  
                  YOU showed us that! We have NO obligation to listen to, respect, or give any credence to any Repub ever! No matter what office they hold. 
                  Thanks for showing the way.
                  I, for one, will follow your  example...
                  
                  Anything Boner, McPhony, or any of the rest of them say will be met with complete and total spite and derision.

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         JOE BARNETTposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         you some times to me are not a full set of knives nor the sharpest knife in the drawer. you always speak from an agenda that attempts to put republicans in a better light. while it is the republicans that "ALWAYS" put themselves in a bad light.you remind me of some bad parent that says well he robs people and takes their money, i know, but he's a good kid. but that kid next door that works and goes to school and watches out for the neighborhood... he's scum ha ha ha. you are laughable. it's obvious that you don't like obama period. obama could give you a million dollars and you still wouldn't like him. according to american standards he is much smarter than bush and maybe this is what you resent. the republicans have fooled you so well that even right now as they attempt to take your "SOCIAL SECURITY" rather than let the "RICH" pay 3% more for tax. you call the man that wants to save it for you ... scum.  you my misguided citizen need to re-define the words "value" and "benefit". you really . . .need to wake up, get a perspective based on something other than hatred. try something new, read a book. read bush's new book, yeah ,and let him tell you himself how he wrecked us. but you will vote for them again when they come in with tootsie rolls and throw a pizza party. the next day after election they'll begin taking your benefits and the countrys' money again.

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            lady_love158posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            You are detached from reality, you're post absent of fact. Obama is hardly smarter than Bush! Obama can't speak without a teleprompter! The liberal media might claim Obama is smarter but his actions clearly demonstrate the opposite is true.
            
            Obama has instituted 2.5 trillion dollars in new spending with his health care bill, which has to be paid for. He's cutting medicare to do so in part. His financial reform is adding to everyone's banking costs. To enforce his unconstitutional mandate for insurance he's planning on adding 16,000 new IRS agents, guess what, someone has to pay for that, and I suppose it should be the rich?
            
            You and all your socialist democrat friends want all this free stuff and you want someone else to pay for it. worse you want the government to be the agent of that redistribution, and you claim I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer? Maybe you should read a book, Bush's book would be a good start, and then read Beck's book "Broke".

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               lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               "You and all your socialist democrat friends want all this free stuff and you want someone else to pay for it."
               
               You mean like these?:
               
               "Consider Vicky Hartzler of Missouri, who courted tea party support and dethroned the chairman of the House Armed Service Committee, Democratic Rep. Ike Skelton.
               
               Hartzler and her husband own a farm equipment business and a farm where they grow corn and soybeans. She received more than $770,000 in farm subsidies over the past 15 years, according to the Environmental Working Group, a Washington advocacy group that collects and analyzes farm subsidy data.
               
               While promising to cut what she called wasteful spending, Hartzler says protecting farmers is a national security issue because the decline of farms could mean more imported food."
               
               Uh-Huh.
               
               "GOP Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, an outspoken critic of farm payments, listed between $15,000 and $50,000 in farm income as one source of revenue on her personal financial disclosure statement last year, citing a Bachmann family farm in Independence, Wis., as an asset.
               
               That farm, which was owned by her father-in-law, received more than $250,000 in subsidies over the past 15 years, according to the Environmental Working Group."
               
               "South Dakota Republican Kristi Noem, who ousted Democratic Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin, had partial ownership in a ranch that received more than $3 million in subsidies over 15 years, though her family bought her out last year."
               
               "Farmer and gospel singer Stephen Fincher won an open seat House race in Tennessee this year while both railing against federal spending and deflecting criticism that his family had received $3.2 million in federal farm subsidies in the past 10 years."
               
               Freebies like that???
               Difference IS, Dems want them for others besides themselves, Repubs only want them for themselves!!
               
               And, while we are at it.....regarding the Publibbaggers and "privitizing" everything to benefit the banksters and their bizness friends:
               
               "The 1994 Republican congressional sweep led to the 1996 farm bill, known as the Freedom to Farm Act, which sought to return the farm sector to the free market. Commodity prices fell, and Congress was forced to later approve billions of dollars in emergency spending for farmers."
               
               Capitalism on the way up--Socialism on the way down! HUH?

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                  lady_love158posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Where did farm subsidies come from? Democrats!

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                     lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Yes...and democrats WANT them, and actually want to PAY for them!
                     
                     Repubs scream about them, DON'T want to pay for them, call them "entitlements".....yet STILL TAKE THEM!
                     
                     It's the difference between someone like McCain calling for war-- when he's served, and Cheney calling for war--who took 5 defferments....see?
                     
                     It's the hypocricy that RILES.

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                        lady_love158posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Maybe you could make up your mind, you're all over the map!
                        
                        Your people create an entitlement and then you expect no one to take them? I mean that's just stupid isn't it?
                        
                        Do you pay more taxes than you're supposed to? Do you take deductions? Why? You seem to think the government is better able to manage your money so by taking your deductions aren't you being a hypocrite?
                        
                        Your anger is misplaced!

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                           lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           "My People" do not consider them "entitlements"....that's the Repub name for it.
                           I think it's good governing to take care of farmers.
                           
                           I think it's good governing to make sure all citizens are healthy and cared for.
                           
                           Repubs, on the other hand, scream about it. They are against government giving money to farmers, or anybody else for that matters, save for business and wealthy people.
                           
                           So, since they SAY they are against it, they should not take it for themselves. Get it?
                           Democrats, who are for it, can give it without hypocricy.

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      Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      wait wait wait wait wait.
      
      You think the Democrats aren't doing the same crap?

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         lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         That's right. They ARE NOT doing the same crap. Never have done the same crap. It's because we have a black president, they still feel superior to him, and therefore feel no need to respect him, or those of us who voted for him.

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            Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            wow... that's... quite a theory you got there...
            
            ... wow...
            
            I will respond no further out of fear of being reported.

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               lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               ahahaha-I know what you mean....sometimes you want to just ........*&^%$#
               and you can't.

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            habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I just can't believe how much hatred you have for EVERY Republican. You also seem to think that EVERY Democrat is honest, overt, and completely altruistic. News flash: ALL politicians lie and use underhanded tactics to get elected and/or re-elected - including the Dems. It boggles my mind that you don't accept this simple premise.

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               Hmrjmr1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Too Right Habee, The game is the game and as long as we allow them all to play the way they do it's pretty dumb to expect anything other than the current result.
               Having said all that and recognizing all the problems we have, I have lived around the world and when it comes to government our Republic is pretty crappy, until you compare it to the rest of them.
               Open your eyes folks we can make it better but not with the venom that infects both sides.

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                  habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Great to see you, John! And you are sooooo right! The best people never seem to get elected. We always tend to vote for the "lesser of two evils." I would love the chance to support someone I'm just "foaming at the mouth" to help get elected. lol

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                  lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  When will the Republicans stop the venom Hm?
                  
                  Why don't you push for that?
                  
                  Or do you believe Obama wants to destroy America.....a SITTING President wants to destroy America? Said by Repub people in gvt., who's ONLY goal is to get Obama out.
                  
                  Do something about that before you preach.

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                     Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     is anyone else reading this? this stuff is great!!
                     
                     Cheese popcorn and a rant by "lovemychris" is an evening well spent!

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               lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Habee-I am going with 8 years and counting of my experience living here.
               
               Name me one Democrat who has stood up and yelled LIAR at any Republican president during a speech. Name one. You can't. It is unprecedented.
               
               And I believe it is because they have total dis-respect for Obama as a man, and it comes from a feeling of white superiority.
               
               What would you call it?
               
               And I have stated publicly my like for Issa--although no more. Dana Rorbacher of California i love, and I had huge respect for that Republican football player-turned pol years back.
               
               Never have I said that all Dems are saints, but they far represent my values more than Repub/Baggers ever could.
               
               Why do you have to call that hate?
               
               I would call what the Republicans have done to the political discourse hate.
               And I do not see an equal measure from Democrats. I just don't.
               
               It is not equivocal. The Repubs play hate and fear like a fiddle. I have 0 respect for them. You call it hate if you want to. You do not speak for me.

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                  habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I agree that some republicans and Tea Party members seem to hate Obama, and I don't approve of the disrespect shown to our POTUS, either. But not all conservatives are like that. Even if they don't like anything about Obama as a person, they should show respect to the office.
                  
                  Have you forgotten that Bush was boo'd and heckled by congressional democrats in his 2005 State of the Union Address??
                  Bush was also boo'd at Obama's inauguration.

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                     lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     That is standard procedure! They always heckle and cheer....both sides. It's like a college sports event.
                     But NEVER has anyone stood up and called the president a LIAR in front of the world.
                     
                     NOR said their main goal in governing was to destroy the sitting president. Over all else?
                     And now Cantor tells Netenyahoo that he will "keep the lid on" Obama for him?
                     Just what is going on here? This is sedition if you ask me....right out in the open, and NO ONE says a word!

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      Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      Don't worry the Bilderbergers will make all the decisions regardless of the soap opera the Corporation of the United States portrays.

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         lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         It's not a soap opera Reality..it's a psy-op. CIA/Mossad?
         It's all there in black and white.....Operation Mockingbird. They took over the media.
         
         Listen, I've been saying WTF? on this right-wing media for decades...just listening to Russsshhhhhh was enough to do it. NOW they have a whole network, and a whole spectrum of the radio.....
         
         It truly is bat-sh*t crazy. It offends my sensibilites to hear it. Salt mentioned it once...cognitive dissonance.
         
         It is intended to make you lose your abilities to think straight. IMO

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            lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Mark Feldstein, "Poisoning the Press".
            
            !!!!!! he's on C-Span book tv!!

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            Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Why do you think it is a Right=Evil, Left=Good world?
            
            Two party politics in the U.S. is like a bowl of feces looking at itself in the mirror.

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               lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               If you watch two baby eagles in a nest, and they are left to their own devices, one of them will peck the other one to death--just to to ensure its own survival and dominance.
               
               It's not good vs evil, it's pure lust for power vs lust for power with conscience.

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                  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  But which baby eagle is evil?  Is it always the one on the right?
                  
                  
                  
                  

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                     lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     With this current crop, NO doubt about it. These Repub/Baggers are out for blood.
                     "Water the Tree of Liberty", you know.
                     "Second amendment solutions", you know.
                     
                     Target....Re-Load. It's not rocket science.

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   Cagsilposted 12 years ago

   As long as Business continues to maintain a strangle-hold on Congress, no politician can be trusted.

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      kimberlyslyricsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      

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      Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      wait wait wait, I think you might have cause and effect backwards.
      
      If you feed your dog a treat whenever it pees on the rug, then it's foolish to get mad at it for peeing on the rug.
      
      If you give companies money through government, then it's foolish to get mad at the companies for expecting money through lobbying.
      
      The problem isn't the companies, the problem is government.

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         Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         The companies are controlling the government, to a great extent.

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            Doug Hughesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Ralph, you haven't noticed. The government has an army of lobbyists they pay in Washington to influence companies to take greater and greater shares of the net worth of this country.

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               Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Ha!

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               habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Hi, Doug. Why can't we get rid of lobbyists??

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               Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               so you disagree that "government giving companies money, which is at odds with the 10th amendment, encourages companies to come to DC and demand money"?
               
               ...? really?

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   Aficionadaposted 12 years ago

   I believe a healthy distrust of ALL politicians makes us all better off.
   
   Politics is "the pursuit of power."  So if a person has entered a profession or a career specifically to pursue power, it is prudent to evaluate carefully everything they do or say.

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   Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

   LMC,
   Source of original statement? Is this from a "credible media source" or perhaps out of Bush's new book???
   

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      lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      It IS out of Bush's book!!
      But, I also believe it with every fiber of my being.
      
      I just can't BELIEVE we are STUCK with this crowd again. GOD.
      
      But, Obama needs to be  Democrat....not the Blue-Dog kind, but the REAL kind.
      
      The Roosevelt kind. As Moore showed on Maher's show last night. Arresting a business tycoon who refused to follow the law....they get FREE REIGN to break the law here nowadays!
      
      Partisan Patriots...that's all the Repubs are in 2010, IMO.

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   Shadesbreathposted 12 years ago

   I think the most important thing to do is to reduce everything down to singularities, focus on the minutae, and then make broad sweeping claims that incite emotional reactions in people who agree with you.  Then, if we keep doing that, everything will get better.

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      Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Oh, good. Then we definitely are moving in the right direction.

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      wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      Unfortunately, Shades, it seems to work.  I keep hearing horror filled voices exclaiming that Obama uses a teleprompter or that Palin writes notes on her palm (at least I think that's what it was - I don't really pay much attention to such drivel).  If such trash didn't elicit an emotional response favorable to the speaker I doubt they would keep repeating it.  It seems to work with far too many people.

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   habeeposted 12 years ago

   I thought it was Obama's debt commission that is suggesting taking away Social Security??
   
   http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/1 … 81606.html

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      JOE BARNETTposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      hi habee- true it's a bipartsan commission. 9 and 9 under obama. but the repubs alan simpson(r)and erskine bowles have put this proposal forth.rather than increase taxes on the rich and cut defense spending. giving it an obvious lean to the right as huff post states.however, this proposal will require a fourteen man vote. but it shows you where their heart always is... not for the people.

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         habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I mostly agree with that, Joe. For MOST politicians, where their heart really is in getting re-elected! None of them are hurting financially - thanks to the tax payers.

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         habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Joe, Erskine Bowles is NOT a republican - he's a democrat.

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