Pelosi waves off impeachment. She says it would divide country

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  1. Readmikenow profile image96
    Readmikenowposted 2 months ago

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    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is setting a high bar for impeachment of President Donald Trump, saying he is “just not worth it” even as some on her left flank clamor to start proceedings. 

    Pelosi said in an interview with The Washington Post that “I’m not for impeachment” of Trump.

    https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-wor … -worth-it/

    1. promisem profile image97
      promisemposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      That's a position worthy of respect by both sides, is it not?

      She also said she would act in favor of impeachment if Republicans took part as well.

      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        She will try for impeachment if she has the political power to pull it off, but try for political points if she can't.  And that's worth of respect?  Not in my book.

        1. promisem profile image97
          promisemposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Is any Democrat worthy of respect in your book?  wink

          1. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            None of those in congress, that I'm aware of.  Of course, that must carry the caveat that I'm aware of only those that hit the news; the most radical and powerful of the group.

            And yes, the same can be said for the Republican side of congress as well.  I do not respect someone, as a person, for playing the political game, though I DO respect their ability to do so well.  Clinton for example; a master politician, but a complete low life at the same time.

            1. promisem profile image97
              promisemposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              I agree about Clinton being a great politician and a lousy human being. Thought so back then and still think so today.

    2. PhoenixV profile image62
      PhoenixVposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Once you get to the top, there are no 2 parties. She not gonna break ranks.

    3. PhoenixV profile image62
      PhoenixVposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      "Pelosi said in an interview with The Washington Post that “I’m not for impeachment” of Trump"

      Maybe Mueller should start investigating Nancy and the WaPo for ties to Russia?  Well, maybe not the WaPo, I'm sure the Russians have some standards.

    4. Ken Burgess profile image90
      Ken Burgessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Its very simple Mike.

      After more than two years of nothing but lies, fabrications, and hate spewed by the 'progressive' media, all their efforts, have accomplished nothing.

      More Americans are in favor of Trump now, than in 2016.

      And despite all the hoopla that there was a 'blue wave' that ushered in an anti-Trump mandate... they know the truth, billionaires spent their money like never before to win Senate and Governor races in places like Texas and Florida, and they still lost... two years of screaming and false allegations... and the Republicans only gained seats in the Senate.

      Even some of the delusional are waking up and realizing that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ilhan Omar are the new faces of the Democratic Party, they represent what the Dems will be all about in 2020 and beyond... and are starting to realize the DNC is no longer the pro-American, pro-Workers, pro-Union party.

    5. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Just my opinion... Pelosi is a political machine and has a political common sense. She realizes that there is no evidence to support impeachment. She may just be realizing how far left the party has gone. Her instincts tell her far too far left, and that the democratic party needs to cool their jets, and playing the impeachment card will serve to do nothing but lose them votes in the 2020 election.  I would imagine she would have hopes that the party would return to " go with the wind politicking". Tell them what they want to hear. The method Dems have used for many decades.

  2. Live to Learn profile image83
    Live to Learnposted 2 months ago

    'Not worth it' translates to 'I see no grounds for it.'

    1. Readmikenow profile image96
      Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      I agree.

      1. promisem profile image97
        promisemposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Do you also agree her stance is worthy of respect by both sides? Innocent until proven guilty?

        1. Readmikenow profile image96
          Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          I think Pelosi is an extremely seasoned politician.  I'm not naive enough to believe her motives are anything more than political posturing.

          The reality for the Democrat party right now is they are in bad shape.  The radical leftist have taken over the party and have quite a bit of influence.  This has resulted in many of their huge donors leaving.  They are struggling to get the moderate Democrats to stay with her party and support them. 

          So, in order to appeal to the moderates in the Democrat party, she has said she is not going to impeach President Donald Trump.  This is a way to disassociate herself and the radicals in the Democrat party and appeal to the rest of the party.

          The other reason Pelosi has done this is President Donald Trump's approval ratings.  Impeachment can only be successful if the president's approval ratings is in the low 30s or high 20s.  President Donald Trump's approval rating is consistently in the high 40s and some have him in the 50s.  This is huge considering everything that has been done to discredit him.  The Democrat party and the mainstream media have thrown everything possible at him and President Donald Trump remains popular.  The majority of the American public wouldn't stand for it.

          So, in this political climate, impeachment would seriously hurt the Democrat party, drive away more donors and alienate even more moderate Democrats. 

          This wasn't done out of a desire to be fair, but because of the Democrat party's political reality.  In politics, you always follow the money.

          1. tsadjatko profile image56
            tsadjatkoposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            You forget another reason Mike. There really is no legitimate grounds for impeachment and though she would never say that she knows it, she knows it and she also knows it is not likely they will find any - she also knows in that event if she commits to impeachment now she’ll have to base impeachment on something they trump (no pun intended) up which will be nothing but transparently political theater!

            1. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              I disagree.  "High crimes and misdemeanors" is sufficient, as is the emoluments clause.  Either could be twisted enough to give that "trumped up" cause sufficient for the task...in the minds of those that don't need a cause at all.  Which is pretty much every Democrat in congress and some of the Republicans. 

              But finding 67 Senators willing to twist reality that far?  Not likely, which is why she has come out against it ("Unless the Republicans join us!").

            2. promisem profile image97
              promisemposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              "No legitimate grounds for impeachment" aren't possible when we have ongoing federal and state investigations.

              And one of them has already racked up 32 indictments.

              He is innocent of state and federal crimes until proven guilty. But if he is guilty, he is highly impeachable.

              1. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                "And one of them has already racked up 32 indictments."

                Why is it that so many people point to that, but not a single one mentions that none of them are against the President? Is the House going to impeach Trump for what someone else did?

                "But if he is guilty, he is highly impeachable."

                Not unless they manage to twist minor offenses into "high crimes and misdemeanors".  As it is all about politics rather than reality or truth, they may well try.

                1. promisem profile image97
                  promisemposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  Because the investigation ultimately is about Trump. The investigations are seeing what if anything points to him. So they aren't done yet.

                  Collusion, money laundering and obstruction of justice are high crimes and misdemeanors. They are highly impeachable and not minor offenses.

                  1. wilderness profile image96
                    wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    Again, not sure what indictments of other people have to do with Trump.  If the investigation is "ultimately about Trump" it has surely strayed far from it's purpose.  Something we all know, of course.

                    But I DO understand keeping the forlorn hope of finding terrible crimes by the President alive.  I'm just not sure that constantly stating that there have been many indictments (without ever mentioning that they had nothing to do with Trump) is a reasonable method of doing that.  It certainly adds nothing to the idea of impeachment.

                    Money laundering, obstruction; yes, these would be "high crimes".  Collusion - talking to a Russian about our election - is not, IMHO.  Not even if it turned out that Trump personally suggested putting faux news on FB.  That's exactly what I meant about twisting a minor offense into something the size of Mt. Everest.

          2. promisem profile image97
            promisemposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            I don't see how the Dems are in bad shape when they had such a successful takeover of the House.

            Credible polls (not Rassmussen) consistly have Trump's approval rating between the mid 30s and low 40s.

            A recession next year will drag that number down. So will impeachable crimes if Trump is found guilty from the state and federal investigations.

            You have a lot more to worry about from the Republican establishment -- which can't wait to get rid of Trump -- than you do from Pelosi.

    2. wilderness profile image96
      wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Or, more likely, 'I see no way to make it happen.'

      1. Readmikenow profile image96
        Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        I agree with with you.

        I read an editorial today and someone made a very valid point.

        They said at impeachment of President Donald Trump right now would extremely energize his base of support.  Most moderate Democrats don't have a desire for it.  An impeachment would hurt the Democrats far more then help them.

        1. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          "An impeachment would hurt the Democrats far more then help them."

          And THAT is why she will not pursue an impeachment.  Not because he isn't worth impeaching, but because she can't do it and it would hurt the almighty party.

          1. promisem profile image97
            promisemposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Not at all. She is much smarter than that.

            She wants to wait until 2020 during an election year. By then:

            1. The investigations will be over.
            2. Many experts predict the economy will sink into recession
            3. Trump's approval will drop.
            4. Republicans will gladly line up behind her.

            It's all about timing.

            1. Live to Learn profile image83
              Live to Learnposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              I can pretty much guarantee that very few Republicans would line up behind Pelosi. Turn on Trump? Certainly possible.

              1. promisem profile image97
                promisemposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                They will avoid the appearance of lining up behind Pelosi. It's about the survival of their time in office.

                If enough of their constituents turn against Trump, they will cooperate with impeachment procedings.

                And of course it won't take all Republicans to do so.

                1. Live to Learn profile image83
                  Live to Learnposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  Oh. For sure. Politicians bend the way the wind blows.

            2. Readmikenow profile image96
              Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              Donald Trump has been in office for two years.  Many things on the left have been predicted about what would happen during his presidency.  They all have one thing in common...they are all WRONG.

              So, these predictions are entertaining, but that is all they are...entertaining.

              1. promisem profile image97
                promisemposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Such as:

                - Cutting taxes for the rich and skyrocketing the national debt.

                - One scandal after another.

                - Starting a trade war that is skyrocketing the trade imbalance.

                - Repeated attacks on the Constitution that get blocked by multiple courts.

                - Creating a fake crisis at the border.

                - Attacking our allies and disgracing our international reputation.

                I think he has pretty much acted the way I expected.

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  Can't you come up with something actually true?  Yeah, lots of "scandal"...manufactured by detractors.  Yes, starting a trade war...that has nothing to do with trade imbalance.  Yeah, getting blocked by liberal courts...and that the SCOTUS said was OK.  Yes, stating there is a crisis at the border (manufactured by decades of dong nothing)...which there is despite Democratic denials of one. 

                  Etc. etc.

                  1. promisem profile image97
                    promisemposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    Denial and deflection.

  3. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image96
    Wesman Todd Shawposted 2 months ago

    She's trying to save face for her party full of socialist and Muslims. Well, it's likely too little too late. The nutjobs are upstaging her in the media. The media, clearly, is the enemy of the American people, and even the enemy of sanity in the Democrat party.

    1. crankalicious profile image92
      crankaliciousposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Are you saying that Republicans are better because they don't have Muslims? Are having Muslims in your party a bad thing? What about Muslims being in a political party make it a bad thing?

  4. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 months ago

    Any excuse for waving.
    Its what she does.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4A4Rq9TJP8

 
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