Pundits Left- Obama Should Not Run For Re-Election In 2012

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   lady_love158posted 13 years ago

   http://thepartyofknow.com/2010/11/14/wa … h-caddell/
   
   LOL! This sums up exactly what I've been saying about Obama! He cares only about power! He doesn't give a damn about our country, or the people! Even his own party thinks so!

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      GladYaMetMe!posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Were you being ironic when you chose your screen name? It should be Lady_Hate158!

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      pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      obama should have waited for 8 years and tried for presidency in 2016..he would have proven to be most outstanding president had he not made into office after bush...today only read report about where usa was in 2001 and where it was in 2008 and where it is now...majority of dropdown happened when bush was in office...obama is slow decision maker...he has less chance in 2012..had it come during better times..he would have performed much better...

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   Mighty Momposted 13 years ago

   You do know the difference between an op-ed piece and a news story, don't you lady_love?
   Anyway, I hardly think these two gentlemen qualify as "even his own party thinks so."
   
   Patrick Caddell's claim to fame is that he advised CARTER?
   That's 30+ years ago!
   I recently heard Scott Rasmussun on the radio, right before the elections. I thought to myself WTF?
   How can he be an objective pollster and co-author (with Schoen) a book entitled "Mad As Hell: How the Tea Party Movement Is Fundamentally Remaking Our Two-Party System."???
   Do you suspect Mr. Schoen might be a little bit BIASED in his THINKING???

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      lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Pat Caddell has worked for Democratic presidential candidates George McGovern in 1972, Jimmy Carter in 1976 and 1980, Gary Hart in 1984, Joe Biden in 1988, and Jerry Brown in 1992. He's hardly a righty!
      
      Doug Shoen has worked on the campaigns of many Democratic party candidates including Ed Koch and Bill Clinton, as well as on behalf of corporate clients. He also did work for Senator Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. Schoen was a consultant for Jeff Greene in the 2010 Florida Senate election.
      
      Are you trying to say they are biased to the right because they wrote a book about the Tea party? That's a bit of a stretch isn't it?
      
      That's the problem with the left or most of the left, they just refuse to face the truth even when it comes from their own!

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         PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         As is typical of you, you take the opinions of a couple of Democrats and assume all of them think alike.  Let me remind you once again that Democrats are much more likely to vary widely in their opinions about pretty much everything and are not afraid to publicly go against the party line.  I know that's hard to comprehend, given the intolerance Repubs have for disagreement within their own party, but give it a try.

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            Doug Hughesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Here's an editorial written last week by David Frum, a former special assistant to George W. Bush, and author. No, I would not suggest he speaks for all conservatives.
            
            "But if there is no compromise, there can be no negotiations. And if there are no negotiations, there can be no fixes -- because every important fix requires the concurrence of the Senate and the president.
            
            Republican leaders know that. They know that their strategy for the next two years will not fix health care reform, nor much change it..."
            
            http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/11/08/f … =allsearch
            
            Frum is a conservative, but he's a pragmatist. He thinks the GOP is going the shoot themselves in the foot - again - by not *engaging* with the Senate & with President Obama in compromise negotiations. Instead they will grandstand for the voters - and accomplish NOTHING.

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               lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               "they will grandstand for the voters - and accomplish NOTHING."
               
               Except polarize the country more, and increase the wealth gap even further.
               
               Did you know they are gunning for war with Iran??
               
               Guess who? well, Ehud Barak told them we would need to....but "not for the tv cameras".
               
               Geuss which 2 were there? McCain and Graham.
               
               Oddly enough, it was Barak who told us we'd have to invade Afghanistan...he said it on CNN the day after 9/11.
               
               Geee and Golly---you would think that PNAC ran America or sumppin.
               
               Ummmmmm-is it Graham and McCain who are in charge of sending us to war?
               
               It is in OUR best interest?.......
               
               Does anyone CARE about OUR best interests? I think Obama does.......

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   habeeposted 13 years ago

   I read A LOT of news articles from all the net - right wing, left wing, moderate, etc. I especially like to read the readers' comments because it gives me a "feel" for the electorate. This said, I have to kind of take up for LL here. Many dems are re-thinking Obama in 2012, especially if unemployment doesn't improve over the next two years. For one thing, there's been a recent resurgence of Pumas who want Hillary in 2012. For another, some dem lawmakers feel that BO is in over his head, according to MSNBC. Another reason is that BO has angered much of the far-left for breaking campaign promises about Gitmo, single-payer health care, and Afghanistan. They don't think he's liberal enough. They often refer to him as "spineless" or "bloodless," and they even compare him to Bush. On the other hand, many moderates see him as too far left. Of course, he never had the right wing to start with. It seems like he can't make any group happy.
   
   I'm not making this up. Go to even a left-wing site like Huffpo and read comments for yourself.
   
   Of course, should the economy get better, I'm sure BO will be re-elected.

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      William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I think you said it Habee - Obama has angered everyone, including his own base.  As a "far lefter" I wish he would stand up the to Republicans more, and I bet he would have better poll numbers if he did so. 
      
      But if the economy improves, he'll get the credit and be reelected. 
      
      In any case, he's better than McCain would have been, no doubt.

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         Reality Bytesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         
         
         I would prefer No Doubt!
         
         

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            William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            bananas.  B-A-N-A-N-A-S...
            
            Oh wait, wrong Gwen. 
            
            How about this one: 
            
            Once was a magical place
            Over time it was lost
            Price increased the cost
            Now the fortune of the kingdom
            Is locked up in its dungeon vaults
            The castle floor lies in traps
            With coiled wired set back
            Decoyed by old cheese
            Now the drawbridge has been lifted
            As the millions
            
            They drop to their knees
            They pay homage to a king
            Whose dreams are buried
            In their minds
            
            His tears are frozen stiff
            Icicles drip from his eyes
            The cold wind blows as it snows
            On those who fight to get in
            On heads that are small
            Disillusioned as they enter
            
            They're unaware what's
            Behind castle walls
            But now it's written in stone
            The king has been overthrown
            By jesterly fools
            And the power of the people
            Shall come to believe they do rule
            They pay homage to a king
            Whose dreams are buried
            In their minds
            His tears are frozen stiff
            
            Icicles drip from his eyes
            Welcome to the tragic kingdom
            Cornfields of popcorn
            Have yet to spring open
            Have they lost their heads
            Or are they just all blind mice
            We've heard all their stories
            One too many times
            Hypnotized by fireflies
            That glow in the dark
            Midgets that disquise themselves
            As tiny little dwarfs
            
            The parade that's electrical
            It serves no real purpose
            Just takes up a lot of juice
            Just to impress us
            They pay homage to a king
            Whose dreams are buried
            In their minds
            His tears are frozen stiff
            
            Icicles drip from his eyes
            Welcome to the tragic kingdom
            Cornfields of popcorn
            Have yet to spring open

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         habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I think McCain would have been great...without Palin! I'll admit, I really liked her at first and was glad McCain had chosen a woman as his running partner. I, however, am one of those sometimes rare individuals who will admit when a mistake has been made. Once I learned more about Sarah, I wondered, "What in heck was McCain thinking???" But of course, he wasn't thinking. He never wanted her in the first place. McCain wasn't "right" enough for the conservative base, so they made him take Palin to get their votes.
         
         I have a lot of respect for McCain and wish with all my heart that he'd been elected in 2000 instead of W. He's not nearly as right-wing as Bush.

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      livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Dems bitched and moaned about Clinton for the exact same reasons in 1994. We like to bitch and moan about our politicians.
      
      When confronted with the alternative in 2012, all of them will vote for Obama. But, I agree, a lot depends on the economy and unemployment.

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      PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I read a lot, too, and while I agree that there is widespread disappointment in Obama, it is unlikely that the Secretary of State serving under him will step up to run against him unless something dramatic happens between now and then to completely discredit him as a candidate. And I can't see anyone else giving him any real competition.

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   Mighty Momposted 13 years ago

   Good one, RB! Way to holla back!
   
   
   
   And how about Gavin as First Husband?

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      Reality Bytesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      That is alright with me.
      
      
      "World Go 'Round"
      
      In the quickness of our haste
      It seems we forget how to live
      The old blueprint
      No longer manifests itself
      As the correct way to exist
      Wipe the grime off the view hole
      And please take a closer look
      Environmental bandits
      Up to their shenanigans
      Crooks disguised...
      
      We've got to find another way
      To make the world go 'round
      Our individual roles we think
      Not so important to the plot
      The big picture unseen
      Leaving life un between
      Destroyed and overwrought
      
      There's no need to point the finger
      We understand who takes the blame
      Delinquents caught
      Red-handed in the act
      Crooks disguised as you and I
      
      We've got to find another way
      To make the world go 'round
      You see there's many many many
      People in the world
      And I'm not sure if I like
      
      What I've heard I'm not sure if I like
      What I'm doing myself
      I'm not sure if I like how it turns
      Degradation Violation
      Inexcusable exploitation It's the dawning of a new era
      People consciously don't care
      How unfair
      We've gotta find another way
      To make the world go 'round
      
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5_Oaak6wSY

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   Mighty Momposted 13 years ago

   I used to have a lot of respect for McCain also.
   I wholeheartedly wished he would have taken Kerry up on his offer to run as his VEEP. Just imagine if we could have actually had a bipartisan White House!
   He lost a lot of credibility (and steam) with Palin. She ran roughshod over him and stabbed him in the back.
   
   Today, however, I'm not so enthused by Mr. McCain and his demands to "study" the effects on morale of rescinding Don't Ask Don't Tell. Even his own daughter Meghan (she's a hoot and really quite bright!) disagrees. I opened a Forum thread on that earlier today, but last I checked, no one had posted.Perhaps it is a non-issue.

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      habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I don't like Kerry, but I would love a Hillary/McCain ticket, or a McCain/Hillary ticket!! That would just boggle the minds of our partisan Congress!! lol

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   Mighty Momposted 13 years ago

   Habee -- that is a very interesting proposition!! Since I doubt the GOP will give McCain the nod again in 2012, the ticket would have to be Hillary/McCain.
   Actually, the FIRST thing that popped into my mind when I read your suggestion was "A century of women on top" but that is Smith's motto (or at least a fun t-shirt) and Hil is a Wellesley woman.
   Wellesley's motto is: Non Ministrari sed Ministrare
   Motto in English: Not to be ministered unto, but to minister
   
   'nuf said, eh?

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      habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      And Hil and John have a lot of respect for each other. I would campaign nonstop for a Hillary/McCain ticket!! Can you imagine what the US would be like without party bickering??

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         Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         But could we survive the steamy sex scandals that would surely result?

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         PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         LOL!  Do you really think a Hillary/McCain ticket will stop party bickering?  Nice fantasy, habee.  I wish it could come true. 

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            Reality Bytesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            
            
            
            

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   Mighty Momposted 13 years ago

   Ha ha, Ron.
   You mean Hillary and Cindy?
   The rumors of Mrs. Clinton's lesbianism are so, so, 1996

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   Shadesbreathposted 13 years ago

   The article is even worse than the interview with the author was on NPR.
   
   The claims are assumptions, predictions and prognostications with zero evidence at all. As far as logical, well-reasoned and supported arguments go, that article is absolute crap.
   
   It's more political hysteria. This country is in the hands of idiots, on the right, on the left, and all across the media.

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   lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

   Get used to it.
   Darrell Issa called Obama the most corrupt president in history. Dennis Kucinich said "Wait a minute! You gonna back-up those claims?".....so far, NO.
   He just likes to say it...so Russssshhhhh and Beckles can run with it for a month.
   
   These Corporate Repubs/Baggers are the worst bunch of people ever elected.
   
   Meanwhile, Bush admits to crimes right out in public, and the worlds says zzzzzzz.
   
   Kucinich had 38 articles of impeachment drawn up for Bush and Cheney, on REAL crimes, and the Republicans laughed at him.....
   
   Now they are going to investigate Obama for the stimulous, which was to HELP Americans!
   
   What a bunch of evil-doers. Evil, and NO care for what is happening to the American people.

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    2 nice white faces huh?
    
    Make you feel more comfortable?

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       Reality Bytesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I did not even consider that point for a moment?
       
       Am I white, black, brown, red, yellow, green, does it matter to you?

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       PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       McCain unleashed Sarah.  I didn't like him before that and I really don't like him now.  I know some people say it was his "campaign" who did it, but it doesn't matter, because if he wanted to be president, he should've had the good judgment to nix such a reckless choice.

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       habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I never thought about race! Okay, how about a Hillary/Powell ticket? I'd love that. Would that be okay with you?

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          Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          That sounds good, Powell still has at least 10 years in him

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             habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Love the new pic, UW!

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    Mighty Momposted 13 years ago

    Wow. Haven't watched this video in awhile. Still rings true.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBOf495H … VWk3sIa_18
    
    Greedy Fly
    Do you feel the way you hate, do you hate the way you feel
    Always closest to the flame, ever closer to the blade
    
    I am posion crazy lush, built these hands to lift me up
    We are servants to our formulaic ways
    I'm screaming daisies
    From 14 miles away I've got my own time
    Got it all today
    
    Make up your mind, need some help to find this mind, mind, mind
    Limbo this and limbo that, you were this and you were that
    Ever know that what you fear is what you find
    This Indian summer I signed my life away
    There's a greedy fly in here and I fly away
    
    Make up your mind, need some help to find this mind, mind, mind
    Make up your mind, need some help to find this mind, mind, mind
    
    Make up your mind, need some help to find this mind, mind, mind
    Mind, mind, mind, mind, mind, mind

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    Mighty Momposted 13 years ago

    I don't think of Hillary as a color. I think of her as a woman.

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       habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Ditto, MM!!

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    Mighty Momposted 13 years ago

    Sad to say, McCain would have lost even worse if he didn't bring in SP as his VEEP. The mood our country was in in 2008 -- no possible way a Republican was going to get the WH.
    McCain tried (in vain) to distance himself from Bush. It didn't work.

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    If you read the Two Santa Clauses theory...they deliberately set up the Repubs to fail, so Obama could take all the blame for their destruction, and they could come in as "saviors"....just as what has happened.
    
    I will never ever ever ever so much as LOOK at a Republican without anger in my heart.
    
    In my mind, they are traitors and guilty of sedition against the United States of America.
    
    
    They want to impeach for a stimulous???
    And their man was illegally torturing, lied us into an invasion, and was there for 9/11?
    
    I'm speachless with rage.
    
    And rather than DO something about the real culprits, you scapegoat a black man. Just like my friend here on Cape Cod who was framed for murder, to save some white people.
    
    I am going to become Swedish. I can't stomache America any more.

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       Reality Bytesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       
       
       
       Hej då!

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       habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Perhaps you'd be happier in Sweden!

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    I don't think Obama is slow...he is being obstructed by his enemies.
    And he'd better learn to think of them that way.
    
    They want him gone...yesterday. And now they have the power of Corporate Wealth behind them, and the House of Representatives.
    
    They are waging a battle to destroy Obama--if he approaches them in any way other than enemy territory, he is going to be stabbed.(figuratively speaking....maybe) It's like someone said...the death of a thousand cuts.
    
    They started cutting 6 months before the election. President Obama better have his guard on. And who knows, maybe he does...maybe he does.
    
    I still think he's a mad genius. And i mean that in a good way.

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