My politically correct side says of course not.
My real side screams, THANK YOU!
Oh you don't have to go that deep to reach that conclusion! Lol
Do you have anything specific in question? A broad stroke is in itself, quite ignorant. Present a better argument and then maybe you can get a real conclusion as opposed to asking yourself a question so the mirror can answer it.
I like many Libs as people. It's their Ideas that are worthless.
The most inane questions get asked because we do not take statements at face value. We like logic and facts.
If someone's argument is devoid of these and we ask (repeatedly) for an explanation, I suppose that could be construted as "inane."
I think a lot of people like logic and facts, but one problem is that while the facts are the facts, not everyone (on either side of any issue) is willing to consider all the facts. Another problem is that some people don't see, or won't see, the logic someone with a different point-of-view is using. Regardless of the side, there's always going be one person in any debate who is better at logic than the other; so there'll always be one person in any debate who doesn't get that other person's better logic.
Then, too, some people don't deal in facts and logic at all. They either want easy answers "no matter what" (because seeing both sides to a difficult issues often means having to deal with the fact that there aren't always easy answers, and that makes people uncomfortable).
Then, of course, you've got your unreasonable name-callers, and your people who find some kind of comfort or sense of superiority in seeing "the other side" (whichever that side is) as "evil" or "stupid".
Some people like "scrappin'". Some need to feel superior. Some thrive on having someone to hate. It doesn't help that much of the time people don't know which, if any, facts to believe; or that lies (or one kind or another) are presented as facts. It's hopeless.
I would refer anyone here to my reply on the thread about "all Conservatism being rooted in bigotry" - only replace a few words, switch a few things around, and adjust the main idea of my reply in a way that makes a point - only in reverse, sort of.
Now, please excuse me while I think about starting a new thread:
"Is everyone who doesn't absolutely think the same way I do on everything a horrible person with nothing but evil intent?"
Yeah, I wonder where they got that "fact" that "all conservatism being rooted in bigotry". Oh yeah, we're not supposed to take that at face value.
I guess it's meant to be "logical".
Flightkeeper: I think they got the notion that conservatism (blue dog and dixiecrat) style came out of a meeting Reagan the presidential candidate had in Mississippi while seeking the southern vote. I believe the meeting had something to do with a southern strategic. I might be wrong but I think that meeting help to give rise to the bigotry root.
To that last quote Lisa...
I agree, therefor I am not a horrible person. And we are 100% correct. Regardless.
.......and everybody who doesn't agree with us is just an idiot!!
Well...I guess all thats left to do now is form a posse and beat everyone not like us and who doesn't agree with us. Since thats what us right wing nut jobs do.
We could go to Washington and form a "peace" rally and have armed thugs in the crowds. Man that makes sense!! aha
Hasn't that already been done? Let's try something new!
Hey, smkm, my husband is from NC - Belmont, next to Charlotte. I also have lots of relatives in Winterville, Greenville, and Fayetteville.
Oh, definitely. I'm so unintelligent that (if you can believe it) I actually think many hard right conservatives are religious bigots with limited intelligence. But of course that's ridiculous and obviously isn't true because NONE of the right wing forum posts here would ever make anyone think that.
In tne interest of balance, or being really boring, can I say that it's easy to assume the 'other' side is comprised entirely of inbred idiots. Strangely though, it just isn't true. The politics, and religion or not, of people gives no indication of how intelligent and thoughtful they may be.
It took me a long time to realise this, and it still comes as a surprise when I have lapsed into the comforting thought that all my 'enemies' are fools - only to find out that unfortunately they are not.
So I end up arguing with fools, becuase they are fun and easier to 'win' against, while meanwhile struggling to organise my own beliefs when someone I admire for their wit and perception turns out to be a raving one of 'them'.
Sorry to be a bit reasonable here, I'm only posting to get my Middle of the Road Hubber Accolade.
I've said before that I was a great admirer of William F. Buckley Jr. His politics and religious beliefs appalled me, but he was obviously brilliant.
However, nobody has enough intelligence for political issues. It's all far too complicated and the goals are unclear.
Would it be better for humanity at large if 99.99% thought as hard right conservatives do? No doubt, but what about that remaining tenth of a percent? Is it right for them to suffer because of the majority? Liberals tend to say it is not in most cases, while conservatives tend to slide much more toward saying yes more often than no.
Fortunately, we have a mixed bag of opinions. Most people are conservative in some areas and liberal in others. Mix and stir and we get imperfect but workable results.
Mix and stir is good. Not too much damage can be done. Thank goodness for our (your) two terms maximum, we had two and a bit terms of Tony Blair. I would argue that relatives of a president should not be allowed to stand for any office to prevent the dynasty thing, but that's a minor point.
On your percentages thing I would go for 50/50 as being about right, or perhaps 33,33,33 - left, middle and right.
There are no liberals or conservatives, simply haters and thse who do not hate anymore in America. Labels are simply something people come up with to hate or not hate a certain group.
Not sure if its idiocy or intellectual dishonesty.
The thing I've noticed for many years is that liberals can entertain two diametrically opposing views at the same time without getting dizzy or even realize they are doing so. And even when you point it out they can't see it.
For example, late term abortion (killing actual babies) is fine, but putting murderers to death is not.
BTW, who is responsible for all the violence in Wisconsin today? Is it okay for those teachers to be out there chanting violent words? "Kill the Bill!" Yikes. Is Rush Limbaugh to blame this time too or is he only to blame if liberals aren't the ones doing it?
They are also carrying signs with pictures of the governor in crosshairs!!!
Oh the shame!!
AnnCee, for the majority of those with liberal leaning views it is possible to see things from different perspectives based upon the situation. Your example is far too simplistic and rarely applies.
So now it's not okay to ask that a bill be killed because it's somehow considered to be violent? Bills have been killed for the millenia. That is what's done. Do you have an understanding of the democratic process?
Your logic is circular and lends nothing to the discussion.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl … bring.html
Maybe pictures will help?
Hypocrisy at it libbest.
AnnCee - what you say about liberals is true - we can entertain two diametrically opposing views. Some call it three-dimensional thinking, looking at things from all sides. The antithesis of this is, well, one-dimensional thinking - pendantic ideology. "I think it/believe it therefore is is or should be this way." See Reagan, Little Bush.
Also known as double-mindedness, it enhances the slipperiness of relativism and helps to break down any stubborn remnants of taboo that haven't been killed off by repeated swallowing of incongruity and inconsistency. A steady diet of lies will kill the soul. But hey, each to his own.
How creative is it to repeat the same social justice experiment over and over again with disastrous results and still think you are creating paradise?
Well AnnCee - you seem to be just the person to tell us what is moral and what is not... after all, that's your job - your're a conservative. And again, to reiterate what I said earlier which you have clearly validated, "You think it therefore it is, you believe it so it should be this way..."
I mean I have to commend the conservative mind/ mode of thinking - I really do. When you eliminate all the sides of an argument you feel you can "ignore" because they lack morality, in your opinion, it becomes easy to do really stupid things - See the Bush Years and the Reagan Revolution. And do you really want to open up the "incongruity of thought" angle being a conservative???? are you kidding me???
May we be so bold and extend this inquiry to ourselves across our entire species?
I feel like I could start a thread under the title "lets all get naked and play twister" and it would end with comments like these.
Facts back up my side. Your side is full of idiots. Period. <period
"Facts back up my side. Your side is full of idiots. Period."
Ah, more reasonable and valid comment from the right!
Both sides are ignorant if you ask me to some degree. Whenever you talk to a republican, all they'll talk about is how great the party is and how bad the other is doing. And, vice versa. They're all sleeping in the same bed together, and neither give a damn about the working man no more or no less than the other.
Trust me, if you researched a lot of politics, then you'll find all sorts of hypocritical acts and statements by both parties. Plus, you have to remember that whatever happens during a President's administration isn't always his fault. Sure, he gets blamed for it because he's the guy that happens to be in charge, at the time. However, if you do the research, then you'll find there are other factors involved as well. However, I think the problem with this country is that there's too much bureacracy that it's next to impossible to get anything done anymore. That's just my two cents anyway.
"If you're not a liberal when you're young, you don't have a heart. If you're not a libertarian when you're an adult, then you don't have a brain."
I heard this quote the other day. I loved it.
But...our world is not as full or as radiant with liberalism as we think it is. Three quaters of the planet live with the ideals of liberalism but in heavily regulated nations. Long live liberty. IT's a fantastic ideal. But we seem to be losing liberalism. Perhaps living mid recession makes us feel that we aren't that free right now.
Meyer Lansky ran Cuba.
You ought to look into it: Kosher Nostra.
They run all the organizations you spout.
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