http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/03/ … trick.html
An expert at misdirection his appearance of flexability on health care is a ruse to establish the single payer system he wanted all along... so while we aren't looking he moves us closer to the socialist system he promised to transform us into.
Do you know how many years I have lived through many presidents promises? all that were never kept?Remember! Bush left Obama with a huge mess to clean up.Also theres a lot more to understand of what behind the scenes are,who's doing what and why(?)Obama isn't at fault for every thing here by him self,there are several government people also in control of the issues at hand in the white house.If every one doesn't agree upon things then the bill never gets signed,so we again are out in the cold.I understand that we do need to stick together and fight for this issue on insurance and the battle for decent medical care.I feel things will get worse before they get better. good luck
and that's why we should vote for anarchy.
You said ''Bush left Obama with a huge mess to clean up. Also there’s a lot more to understand of what behind the scenes ''
REALLY, the Democrats have had a majority control of Congress since 2007, wasn’t Senator Obama in the senate at that time too. The mess that you insinuate was led by Speaker Pelosi and Senator Reid, including the presence of Senator Obama too. In 2009 the Democrats took over super majority control of all the US Government with Pelosi, Reid and President Obama leading the way.
Instead of a CLEAN UP, the mess got more messier. We all can agree to it getting worst.
Just wondering where you have been the last 4 years of a Democrat controlled economy. THE QUESTION IS WERE YOU BETTER OFF IN 2006 with a Republican President and a Republican controlled Congress than you are today?
Do you never just get bored of putting these on?
Not fancy a discussion about something else?
Oh ill talk about anything... but im especially passionate about my freedom...you can appreciate that can't you??? ;
Freedom.... How we have lost our sense of that word.
Shame you aren't as passionate about the freedom of everybody as you are about your own.
But it is!
Only yesterday you said that you didn't care about low paid workers if bringing them out of poverty meant you spending a few extra cents!
That's right but what does that have to do with their freedom? At some point the burden of government will crush even my spirit... at some point I will decide that being a maker isn't worth it and being a taker is sooo much easier... so maybe i'll stop working and stay home to paint and let those that are still makers finance MY freedom... that's what you are advocating isn't it? Sooner or later John you're going to run out of makers to take from then what? You obviously haven't thought this socialism thing through.
You work? You're on the forums so much I figured you were retired, on disability, independently wealthy, or being supported by your spouse/lover/significant other.
Lol! Oh look another jealous female!! What's the matter hun no one paying attention to you anymore?
It has every thing to do with their freedom and nothing to do with the burden of government unless you are conceding that government and business are inextricably entwined.
Won't the point when you decide to not to be a maker be at the point where you would be better off as a taker?
Why should it be any different for other low paid workers?
Why should others work for less than subsistence wages just to prop you and your like?
Why should others give up their freedom to support yours?
I'm not advocating benefits for the low paid, I'm advocating fair wages, wages which will increase spending power and cut dependency on the tax payer, indeed reduce the burden on the tax payer by paying taxes.
Strikes me that you haven't thought things through.
A fair wage isn't what you or government says is fair...it's the minimum one will accept to perform a task. I can't think of anything more fair than an agreement freely made between 2 parties.
But it isn't freely made is it?
It's take it or leave it isn't it!
No pay and benefits is a negoiation. If you don't like what's being offered you can solicit other offers which is exactly how I landed where I am today. Of course you have to have something someone is willingly to pay for and there again that is up to you!
In an ideal world it may be a negotiation but it's not an ideal world.
If you really think it is as easy as you claim then you are totally lacking in imagination and empathy and I see no alternative for you than to continue to subsidise big business through your taxes.
I certainly am NOT in favor of subsidies for business! Surely you must KNOW businesses do NOT pay taxes.... their customers do!
But if you have a system that underpays people then like it or not you are subsidising businesses.
The choice is yours, pay the businesses enough for them to pay a working wage or pay taxes.
It seems a no brainer to me but if you want to go on thinking that food stamps etc come from the fairies and not your taxes then dream on.
Yes, it's take it or leave it, and not only that, there are people behind you who will do it for less.
The "magic" of the "free" market.
Free to put their boots on your neck.
Free to force their will upon you.
Free to take from you to give to Limbaugh.
What a joke.
It's Fascism, disguised as Capitalism...oh hell--they are the same thing are they not?
She wants the freedom to throw 30 million people into an uninsured status. What's the fun of being conservative if the masses escape the misery which is their due?
We understand what freedom means to LL.
About 30% of those don't have health insurance by choice and can afford it... but you would have the government force them to make that purchase against their will because YOU think it's how they shoul spend THEIR money... and you don't even see how that is morally wrong!
We aren't going to run this country to suit your morality.
People who CAN afford insurance and don't get insurance pass the cost on to those WITH insurance when they can't pay. Those who can't afford insurance also become a financial burden to the insured and to the taxpayer. Everybody gets sick or injured sometime and they wind up in the system that as an nisured parson and taxpayer I pay for.
"She wants the freedom to throw 30 million people into an uninsured status."
I assume you mean the 30 Million people who were already uninsured?
Hummmmmm Clueless.............What was wrong with the way insurance already was? My self as a tax payer one way or the other? if we don't foot the bill for the non-insured we still get the shaft via some other government scam.We in the end still pay for another bill etc. Some one in another forum just asked how can this country help other countries(?) I said I can only guess at the fact that USA has more opportunities,schooling;education,jobs,work places etc.USA has many homeless people but I have found that some choose to be so.
So now with that said lets all kiss and make up.... )
You know that it's a myth, America contributes very little to other countries in reality, it seems a lot because the US is wealthy but as a percentage it is not much at all.
Your education system is not one to be looked up to, neither are your low paid jobs!
Yeah, but there's other things doing. You post 50 forums every day on right wing dogma with links to blogs by people to the right of Mussolini.
There's a cricket world cup happening! Jasmine revolutions in the Arab world! Amur tigers are close to extinction! South Sudan is a whole new country! The large hadron collider is trying to find the Higgs Boson!
Change the record!
Superwags I understand where you are coming from. A lot of people tend to put the same information up every day. If you studied Greek would you put Spanish topics up. The point is people talk about subjects that make them comfortable and are able to talk about. I will not talk about Fashion due to the fact I have no Knowledge of the topic.
I get your point Rory, but come on, this is almost as though she's being employed to put this stuff on. Here's an example.
"Title: When will Obama stop wrecking our country?!
This has to stop before our freedom disappears, our country is overrun by China and everyone dies and runs out of money:
Not to mention politics is something we have control over... there's not much I can do to prove or disprove higgs boson exists.
Cricket is a game... jasmine is a scent... tigers make lousy pets... who cares about Sudan ... and its seems like a poor use of resources to find the god particle.. sooo what else you got?
I don't understand people who respond to threads they supposedly aren't interested in.
Could it be a lame attempt to shut down the discussion?
What discussion? It's a broken record!
But don't worry---people are on to you.
Walker thinks he's going to get a pat on the back from Koch.....Koch will eat him alive for being such an idiot. Such a lame spokesman for the Uber-Classs.
Trump is better. Maybe he'll get the Repub nomination!!
American businesses are a bunch of lootere, insurance and drug companies are NO exceptions. So place blame Where it is due. Businesses have a looter's smash and grab mentality so that's the bottom line of it all, not the President. YOU got some good ideas to 'fix' it?
Ah... I see the magician has awed you with his tricks! Lol
take a break lady...barack obama is now boring story...may be putin would be more exciting..magician cannot be clown and only bush was exciting as usa president...all else are boring lot...may be constitution must be amended to bring bush back...he wont do anything different but atleast can make us laugh...
Yeah...at least I didn't call them evil!
And--you ARE for forcing gvt into our (women's) doctor's office. You cannot deny that.
And--you DO have your boot on our neck when we have to take a low-paying job or no job at all.
And Limbaugh got a tax cut, while state workers are taking a cut in pay!
It's all true. If it's extreme, that's not my fault.
No... not true! I just think before you murder someone you ask their permission first... you'd want the same choice wouldn't you?
The boot on the neck you're feeling is your government.
Why do you care who gets a tax cut? I think we all pay too much!
Guess bush should have asked the million iraqi's first before he murdered them, right?
Seriously, lady_L, get a life, either publish some useful hubs or go away. Your trolling is becoming tiresome.
Durh, no you may pay too much but the top don't pay enough meaning that you have to pay to subsidise them.
You say they don't pay enough... fact is in this country they pay the bulk of the taxes. The problem isn't on the revenue side its on the spending waste fraud and abuse side of big government!
http://techrights.org/2010/04/26/bill-g … erwealthy/
And who exactly is abusing big government?
So why should Washington state be allowed taxes on revenue earned in Nevada? Washington would do well to control their spending which was growing at twice the rate of their revenues. One again John, how much is enough? How much of YOUR labor, your time, is the government entitled to? 6 Months isn't enough? How about 9 or 10? How much more am I required to contribute to this wasteful corrupt monster that wants to control every aspect of my life???
Well dear, if the likes of Bill Gates paid his fair share of taxes then that would be less for you to pay.
It's no good demanding that every body pays less tax if the high earners are the ones to be excused taxes and the rest of you are left to pick up the slack!
They paid their taxes! Obviously you're not familiar with the issue...
And it's been this way since Saint Ronnie!!
Big Fat cats get all the breaks, middle and poor get broken.
Hell-I saw a guy say that once you hit $500,000.00, you can pretty much pay nothing if you have the right accountant!! The laws are written that way.
Enough is enough. If extremely rich can't pay their fair share to live here....too bad.
Go cry in your private island soup.
Lady love hates America and all of man kind. To hide her hate of all humanity she focus her attacks on the left just as republicans focus their attacks on liberals. In reality republican don't care about liberials or conservatives after the voting done. The hate, anti- american, anti- goverment, anti- obama, anti-union, she is anti- peace and harmony. She maybe miserable and in need of prayer. So all should pray for her rather than comment, hate hurts her.
Well I do appreciate the prayers but I could do without the false accusations and the hateful remarks... oh but that's what you liberals are best at! I can see you are certainly an expert in hate!
It's the United Monied Classes of America she shills for.
Republicorp....it's real. It's here. It's in your face.
It's destructive, petty and hungry. They won't stop til they have it all.
All of America in their back pockets. Your kids can go to the devil for all they care.
Really? If you shoot an intruder in your house and murder them, you ask permission?
I doubt it.
BUT, maybe you should have to!! Maybe the State should get involved and decide if you have the right to shoot an intruder in your house, what do you think?
And what is the most personal private house of all??
Lady Love, the main boot I feel on my neck is Anthem.... not Obama
Ha ha, lady, the lefties are sure interested in making you move on.
What's all this moving on stuff?
1. Note to all. Please refrain from abbreviating Lady_Love's name as "LL" as it is confusing with another hubber, Live Longer, who has been known as "LL" for much longer than Lady_Love has been a member of HP. I do not speak for Ms. Love, of course. But would respectfully request that we all agree to LaLo rather than LL when addressing or discussing Lady_Love.
2. LaLo. You have now been here 6 months and written only 3 hubs.
At present, there is no official threshold of # of hubs required to be eligible to post in the forums (although it has been proposed to Admin).
However, I see no reason why we, as community of regular Politics & Social Issues forum posters, cannot informally petition you to "publish or perish" as it were.
I do not speak in any official capacity here. However, there have been numerous posts of late inferring that your purpose here in the forums is questionable.
How about making yourself a legitimate HUBBER and write some HUBS about all these social issues so near and dear to your heart?
I will be the first to sign the petition. Heck, I may even read and comment on said hubs .
WE THE UNDERSIGNED DO HEREBY PETITION LADY_LOVE TO PUBLISH A MINIMUM OF 3 MORE HUBS OR RISK IMMEDIATE NON-PARTICIPATION IN HER FORUM THREADS.
1. Mighty Mom
I reserve the right to totally ignore you! Who are you anyway the hubpages gestapo?
Then you should give the same petition to Doug Hughes who has been here for more than a year and has written a grand total of FIVE hubs and no one has questioned his presence here. Or do your requirements only apply to people who you think are too conservative?
Another jealous female no doubt upset she isn't getting the attention she used to because my post actually solicit real debate...well at least with smart people like you!
Looks like that... But then it is typical to both sides...
Lady Love: Prove to the hub community that you can write in paragraphs. Show that sound bites, talking points and links don't support your handicap in a writing community. AnnCee has puplish lately. Go ahead Love make her more jealous, you can do it . Nothing beats a failure but a try.
I don't care how many hubs she writes. I just wish she would show some restraint and common sense and slow down on the repetitive "Obama is evil" threads. They clutter up the forums and push other threads out of the way.
Yeah, I know, there are no rules about how many threads can be started by one person, and I'm not suggesting there should be. As with any behavior that affects other people, a little courtesy would be nice.
How many threads are too many? I doubt I have EVER posted more than 6 in a single day! Ill bet there are others here that have done more than that!
And if my posts stay on top of the list it is because the free market of ideas is voting for them by responding! My posts provoke thought discussion and debate about subjects that affect most of us... that's why they "clutter" the list!
Perhaps I should start a thread in why liberal women are jealous of me? Lol
I would but that would surely sink to the bottom!
I think you should start a hub about why liberal women are jealous of you. No lie, I'd be entertained by the discussion that would create.
Lol! I would but I'm not that superficial! I don't care what they think about me... their jealousy is their problem not mine!
As is the liberal mindset they want to be rescued from me by the system... they want someone to protect their rights not to be challenged or upset by ideas they don't agree with... awwww grow up ladies! Lol
I agree. I'm sure it would be quite entertaining.
Lady Love: your ignorance is painful nobody is jealous of you. I don't understand why the left comment and communicate on your threads. I'm sure they know you can't or want be rational. The hubbers on the right don't agree and understand your logic, but understand that if the left argue and attack you day and night, all they have to do is pile on your threads. There is nothing the left can argue with you that has not been argued.
For the left anyone that disagrees with them is irrational!! The truth is they can't accept the truth that they and they alone are responsible for their destiny! No one is going to take care of you libs... so start doing for yourself!!
Out of interest, do you think left-wing and liberal people are irrational?
I think they're misguided and wrong no question.
But isn't that the same as liberals apparently thinking anyone who disagrees with them is irrational? What's the difference?
You don't know the difference between misguided, wrong and irrational?
I know the difference, but I don't think saying anyone who disagrees with you is wrong is any more reasonable than saying anyone who disagrees with you is irrational. As for misguided... I think to some extent we all believe those who disagree with us on issues we hold dear are misguided.
The difference is liberals can't defend their arguments with common sense and instead rely on tactics that divert attention from the real issues or that make others the enemy and the reason for whatever injustice they claim is depriving them of their "rights".
Umm, does that apply to my reproductive decisions, or is that still you and the gvt's business to decide for me?
my question is why do you start threads with a link when it is not allowed?
It says over there next to the reply box in black bold letters: Do not start threads for the sole purpose of promotion or posting links. Is this forum exempt?
I'm on a computer today without the forum filter. I usually can't see the political forum, but it appears you have begun each thread with a link.
Because the link isn't posted for promotional purposes at all but as a reference for the discussion... you should read the rules more carefully.
I have read them. I can understand inserting a relevant link once a discussion has started. Many people don't click links posted in a forum.
Many people don't eat Oreos.
Whats your point?
Not entirely correct. The foundation of her posts is a deep hatred of 1/2 of the U.S. population. The links to right-wing noise machines are to support her ummmm,... well let's be charitable and call them ideas.
I know.. I don't want to waste my time on these threads. There's no real discussion.
It's fun, but you'll have to go somewhere else to hear legitimate Conservative views. This place is pretty much occupied by teabagging bottom feeders.
I trust you disdain equally those who hold a deep hatred for the other 1/2 of the US population (supposing it really were so divided)?
Your commentary is as equally relevant and thought provoking as your hubs.
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