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Nearly 1 million American rifles. Banned by a stroke of Barack Obama

  1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
    OLYHOOCHposted 6 years ago

    Dear fellow Patriot,

    Nearly 1 million American rifles.

    Banned by a stroke of Barack Obama�s pen.

    In a move unprecedented in American history, the Obama Administration secretly banned the re-importation of nearly one million American made M1 Garand and Carbine rifles.

    The M1 Garand, developed in the late 1930�s, carried the United States through World War II seeing action in every major battle.

    General Patton at the time called the M1 Garand �the greatest battle implement ever devised.�

    The rifle is largely credited with giving American soldiers the advantage and securing victory for the allies.

    During the Korean War, nearly one million of these rifles were brought to South Korea and left with the South Korean government afterward.

    Now, South Korea wants to give American gun collectors the chance to get their hands on this unique piece of history.

    A piece of American history that Barack Obama would like to see go down the memory hole.

    That�s why I need as many Americans as possible to put themselves on record opposing this gun ban by signing the Official Firearms Freedom Survey I�ve enclosed.

    Will you please join me?




    After World War II, the United States government sent millions of these rifles overseas to our allies and friends.

    Over the past 50 years, many of the countries we lent them to returned them to America to be bought and sold by firearms collectors.

    This is nothing new.

    Make no mistake; these rifles were made in America, by Americans, for Americans, to defend freedom on foreign shores.

    As a part of our history, they are greatly sought after by American shooters and collectors.

    But according to Hillary Clinton�s State Department there is a danger they might �fall into the wrong hands.�

    That they might, possibly, one day be used in a crime.

    No mention of the hundreds of thousands of gun owners deprived of the opportunity to own an integral part of American history.

    The State Department�s outrageous claims are nothing more than a thinly veiled ploy to distract from the real issue:

    President Obama�s deep seated hatred for gun rights.

    While his gun-grabbing base is giddy with praise at this back-door gun ban, law-abiding citizens across the United States are crying foul.

    Let me be clear: at no time in U.S. history has the ownership of this firearm -- or any part of this firearm -- been illegal, restricted or banned.

    Americans have collected World War II M1 Garand and Carbine rifles for decades.

    Now they are sold through the Civilian Marksmanship Program.

    You can even purchase a newly manufactured model from Springfield Armory that was made just a month or two ago.

    And the M1 Garand�s caliber or capacity is no more dangerous than the millions of modern firearms owned by Americans across the country today.

    As you can see, there is absolutely no justification for this unconstitutional gun ban.




    This is just the latest in a series of anti-gun schemes from the Obama Administration:
    *** New BATFE regulations on semi-automatic rifles, requiring firearms dealers to act as an informant to anti-gun federal bureaucrats if someone buys more than one rifle;

    *** The Disarming American Citizens Act (H.R. 2159 in the last Congress) letting Attorney General Eric Holder revoke the Second Amendment rights of ANY American he chooses based on pure suspicion;

    *** Notorious anti-gunners appointed to the U.S. Supreme Court and other senior administration positions;

    That�s why it is essential that Americans like you and I take a stand against the M1 Garand gun ban!

    It has been common practice since the end of World War II to re-import these American made rifles from the foreign allies they were lent to during the war.

    But the Obama Administration departs radically from the American tradition.

    In fact, on top of banning American citizens from owning these historic firearms, Obama�s State Department is arranging for the destruction of nearly one million of them -- ironically, at a time of ballooning federal deficits.

    It�s an outrage!

    These firearms -- truly pieces of American history -- rightly belong in the hands of U.S. citizens.

    That�s why I�ve joined with the National Association for Gun Rights to fight this power grab in the U.S. Senate.

    Do you believe the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Second Amendment are the supreme law of the land?

    Do you believe that President Obama banning the re-importation of these historic firearms is an unprecedented and unconstitutional power grab?

    Do you support Congress forcing President Obama to reverse his ban and save these American made rifles from destruction?

    If you said �Yes� to these questions, please sign the Firearms Freedom Survey the National Association for Gun Rights has prepared for you.

    Your survey will put you squarely on the record AGAINST Barack Obama�s Rifle Ban.

    HERE IS THE SURVEY TO SIGN BELOW.

    http://www.nagr.org/M1_RP_Survey1.aspx?pid=oo

    OLY

    1. Onusonus profile image87
      Onusonusposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I've been a gun owner for the last day and a half, and I've gotta say that I find the anti-Gun laws plaguing this great country of ours to be offensive.
      I think I'm going to take some watermellons to the range and plan my next move.

      1. pylos26 profile image78
        pylos26posted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Only a religious fanatic would be serious in a statement like that. That’s how I know you’re joking.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Psssst!  Mormon!  smile

        2. Ralph Deeds profile image73
          Ralph Deedsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          We can hope he's joking. I'm not so sure.

          1. pylos26 profile image78
            pylos26posted 6 years agoin reply to this

            hello Ralph...yes...a religious fanatic that talks like that deserves attention. The world is full nut cases, as we've seen lately.

      2. Ralph Deeds profile image73
        Ralph Deedsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        "Plan my next move."

        Just curious, what might that be? What kind of a gun did you buy? Have you had any gun safety training?

        1. Onusonus profile image87
          Onusonusposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          I'm not sure yet, it's still in the makings. Now if you'll excuse me I have some Anti-American mellons in my custody which need to be properly disposed of.

    2. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image91
      Wesman Todd Shawposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I'd like to see a lot more evidence that this is true.  I hate Obama almost as much as I hate Dubya; and I'm of the opinion that even convicted felons should be allowed to own firearms in order to defend whatever home our sick system provides the opportunity for them to establish. . . . .

      1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
        OLYHOOCHposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Just below you are two links. CLICK ON THEM and read all about it.

        AnnCee posted them.

        OLY

    3. pylos26 profile image78
      pylos26posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Those old things are as useless as teats on a boar hog. Who in the world wants them? Only thing their good for is to fire off all that old surplus ammo.

    4. profile image0
      Texasbetaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry goofball, you can't have automatic weapons. You can't own the tanks either. Don't be ridiculous.

      1. uncorrectedvision profile image61
        uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        As usual you do not know what you are talking about.

        http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html

        1. profile image0
          Texasbetaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          So, you can own machine guns if given permission by the government. Great. How about this? You people are out of your minds enough, much less with the legal right to own a machine gun. I wouldn't let you walk my dog, much less have access to tanks or machine guns.

          1. Jim Hunter profile image60
            Jim Hunterposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            "I wouldn't let you walk my dog, much less have access to tanks or machine guns."

            You can prevent us from walking your dog.

            But the other is out of your hands.

          2. uncorrectedvision profile image61
            uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            School yard.  You must be a miserable to work for.

    5. Paul Wingert profile image77
      Paul Wingertposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      No private citizen need assault weapons, handguns with high capacity clips and machine guns, period!

    6. David 470 profile image87
      David 470posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      This is not good. I always feared this. The stereotypical assumption that having no guns will make America safer. Criminals will find ways to get guns anyway...

      If guns did not exist, people would use knives or other melee weapons. If those did not exist, people would use there bare hands or other objects...


      Besides, most people that have weapons are responsible. This will only anger the legitimate hunters, and gun collectors of america.

      1. David 470 profile image87
        David 470posted 6 years agoin reply to this

        The M1 Garand is a 30.06. They ban it just because it has prestige? What foolish notion is this?

        So we can buy 30.06 hunting rifles, but M1 garands are more dangerous than them?

  2. AnnCee profile image70
    AnnCeeposted 6 years ago
    1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
      OLYHOOCHposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Happy to see your up on this issue also.

      Thanks,

      OLY

      1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
        OLYHOOCHposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        PS, just sent this to all of our Senators and Congressmen and The Governor, of Montana.

        OLY

  3. knolyourself profile image60
    knolyourselfposted 6 years ago

    Don't forget Antiques roadshow.

  4. Doug Hughes profile image60
    Doug Hughesposted 6 years ago

    Facts are real.

    The title of the post is a lie. A deliberate falsehood. A malicious deception.

    Obama didn't sign anything. There's no evidence he's even aware of the decision by the State Department. I am not sure what the reasoning behind the decision is, and I support the right of gun owners to question and petition.

    But knock off the insane attempts to connect anything and everything that you dislike to the president personally.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      He has a right to post, Doug. 
      The dear President has his hand in almost all the pies anyway, so I'm more inclined to believe the information OLY posted than to believe you.

      1. Doug Hughes profile image60
        Doug Hughesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Brenda - I stated a fact. It's not a 'believe' or 'don't believe' thing.

        The OP says Obama signed the order and he didn't. This is another wingnut hatchet job and I'm gonna keep calling out the liars who post on Hubpages until the conservatives give up with the phony posts and join objective reality.

        1. profile image0
          Brenda Durhamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Gee Doug.
          I dunno what Obama personally signed!   You don't either!

          I take it since you're not conservative, you have no "guns and religion" to cling to, so you're grabbing at straws trying to discredit everything conservatives say....

          Good luck with that.  You'll need it! big_smile

          1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
            OLYHOOCHposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Thank You, Brenda for your comment and going to bat for me. Now, I'll just wait for DIPSTICK, to get back to me

            OLY.

            1. profile image0
              Brenda Durhamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              You're welcome.
              Conservatives get hammered a lot around here with personal insults.  I think libs haven't mastered the art of civil debate, unless of course we just accept whatever they say; then they LOVE us!  haha.  Needless to say, I'm not very "loved" either!

          2. PrettyPanther profile image85
            PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Are you really so naive (I'm using that word to be polite; another one first came to mind) to believe that it cannot easily be determined what Obama has signed or not signed?  Really?

          3. Doug Hughes profile image60
            Doug Hughesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Brenda, A lot of liberals own guns and know how to use them.

            A lot of liberals hold to religious beliefs - but liberals don't believe in imposing their beliefs on the public at large.

            If you want to conclude that I don't have a gun or hold to religious beliefs, it's a conclusion you jumped to.

            1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
              OLYHOOCHposted 4 years agoin reply to this

              Had to Change My Website. It is now at,

              https://sites.google.com/site/1olyhooch1/

        2. OLYHOOCH profile image60
          OLYHOOCHposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          You want a piece of me, Doug, Come and get some, BUT, I first suggest that you go to my WEBSITE at,

          http://www.muddysilver.shopping.officelive.com

          Then, Go look at my Profile on, Facebook,

          Then if this is too hard for you to do, just, Google my name, Orlin E Oly Olson in any search engien and see what I do.

          NOBODY, I mean, NOBODY, calls me a LIAR.

          When you get done checking me out, you will get back to me, won't you!!

          OLY

          1. profile image0
            Texasbetaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Oly - you are either ignorant of the fact and too lazy to look them up, or you are a flat our liar. Deal with it.

            1. Doug Hughes profile image60
              Doug Hughesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              Mr. Olson,

              Facts are facts. You said Obama did something 'with the stroke of a pen'.

              But I googled the issue of these old military guns and the decision was by the State Department, not the White House. There's NOTHING in evidence signed by Obama. The title of the OP is a LIE. In my opinion it was a deliberate distortion of truth to serve political goals.

              That might make you a liar - you can backpedal and say you were mistaken, and I don't suggest that an accidental misstatement is a lie. I've made too many mistakes - honest ones, which I admitted when they were pointed out,  to attack for a screw-up.

              This was a screw-up or a lie - take your pick. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, I work for a living.

          2. Ralph Deeds profile image73
            Ralph Deedsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Oly, why don't you just provide us with support for your assertion about President Obama's involvement in the decison on importing M1s from Korea?

          3. Ralph Deeds profile image73
            Ralph Deedsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            I CHECKED YOU OUT, AND BASED ON YOUR WEBSITE, YOU COULDN'T PASS A THIRD GRADE SPELLING TEST.

            1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
              OLYHOOCHposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              I am in the process of correcting that, now that I have a computer that will allow me to make those mis-spelled words.

              Thanks for the reminder.

              English always was my worst subject.

              I will have to complement you on one thing, and that is, you are the first to step forward with a comment on my Website in four years.

              For this, you go to the top of your class. That makes you a winner.

              Now, I did post an analogy for yesterday, in respect to all.

              I am not out here to fight or cause ill feelings towards anybody.

              I am in hopes that this reply does not leave you with a bad taste of my choice of words.

              Have a good day,

              OLY

              1. Ralph Deeds profile image73
                Ralph Deedsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                Thanks Oly. You too! I have a soft spot in my heart for Swedes because one of my grandmother's parents came from Smoland--Malms and Sundgrens.

                1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
                  OLYHOOCHposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  3/4 Norwegian, but, who cares. We are all from the same group.

                  OLY

            2. Jim Hunter profile image60
              Jim Hunterposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              Man, you're rough. roll

        3. Smkmdb11 profile image56
          Smkmdb11posted 6 years agoin reply to this

          What did you google?

          Conservatives won't "give up" because we are right. Period. Everytime I bring facts to an argument, liberals start to shut up. It's all the same and your a typical lib. Nothing new.

          When I google it, I find document after document about this, and do you think that his administration can do something without him knowing. He is the almighty Obama for goodness sake.

          1. Doug Hughes profile image60
            Doug Hughesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            So when you read between the lines - you did google - you found a pile of documents none of which Obama signed - none of which can be reasonably expected crossed Obama's desk.

            We fact-based liberals don't know if it was a decision made in the Oval Office or at State. The OP claims it was not only made by Obama - but SIGNED by Obama. That's false - it's a lie - those who said it may be presumed (absent a correction or apology) to be liars. Those who support the lie join the same club.

            1. Smkmdb11 profile image56
              Smkmdb11posted 6 years agoin reply to this

              I'm guessing you can prove it was a lie? With any link to any news agencie? Please give us some fact. All you've done so far is state your opinions.

              1. Doug Hughes profile image60
                Doug Hughesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                Babyface - if you make the claim that President Obama signed the order that banned the guns, the burden of proof is on YOU to show that either Obama signed something, or at least that the order came out of the White House, or the documents related to the ban passed through the White House. The State Department is a big agency in the federal government, and so far that's as close a tie to Obama as you have made.

                1. Jim Hunter profile image60
                  Jim Hunterposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  No, its on you to prove he's lying.

                  You made the accusation.

                2. Jim Hunter profile image60
                  Jim Hunterposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  "The State Department is a big agency in the federal government, and so far that's as close a tie to Obama as you have made."

                  I know he is incompetent but he is in charge of the State department and the FBI and CIA Etc.

                3. Reality Bytes profile image91
                  Reality Bytesposted 6 years agoin reply to this




                  lol "burden of proof"

                  *looks around* 

                  Yep, this is a forum, for a second I thought I was in a courtroom.

      2. profile image0
        Texasbetaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        So Brenda agrees that the fact mean nothing to her, and misrepresenting issues, what conservatives do, is entirely supported by their base. Again, we get back to the basics of bad people.

    2. uncorrectedvision profile image61
      uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Was he napping?  Was he deep in his cups?  Why doesn't the minutiae expert and chief - the omniscient one - know what his own state department is doing?

      1. profile image0
        Texasbetaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Dude, seriously? Does your owner know what you did at 1513 last Wednesday? Mine didn't. I am a manager at my company and I don't know half of what my staff does most of the time. I am busy! I put them in place because I trust their decisions, but I don't watch each step they take every day.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Did Reagan know about the Iran-Contra deals?  smile  Not according to Ollie North!  lol

    3. Smkmdb11 profile image56
      Smkmdb11posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Come on, the president knows what goes on with his own administration.

      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09 … -m-rifles/

      They agreed on the sale last year, and recently reversed their decision and banned it. They fear it will get into the wrong hands, which leads to the argument on gun control laws and the fact that the people who commit the break ins and serious crimes get the guns illegaly anyway.

      Ban the sale of guns to citizens and the only people who won't have guns are the honest Americans.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Got anything from a reputable source?

        1. Smkmdb11 profile image56
          Smkmdb11posted 6 years agoin reply to this

          I expected that...

          http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 … r-gun-ban/

          http://www.ammoland.com/2010/09/19/obam … ollectors/

          http://www.nationalgunrights.org/m1-ban/

          You probably won't see it on CNN or MSNBC, obvioulsy these agencies want to cover only what makes Obama look good and this is a very un-Constitutional move. Nothing new though.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Are you saying these link sources don't have an agenda?  Wake up, there are plenty of weapons for everyone without these few being allowed into the mix.

            Perhaps you can tell me which country is the main exporter of military weapons?  smile

            1. Smkmdb11 profile image56
              Smkmdb11posted 6 years agoin reply to this

              Every source has an agenda. Would you rather a more liberal biased news agency?

              1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                I prefer the truth.

                1. Smkmdb11 profile image56
                  Smkmdb11posted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Well you probably won't find much of that on television period, lol.

          2. Ralph Deeds profile image73
            Ralph Deedsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            No indication that President Obama was involved in the decision. If he was, no apologies are called for. It was good public policy. The would-be importers probably want to sell them to Mexican drug lords and militia wingnuts.

            1. Smkmdb11 profile image56
              Smkmdb11posted 6 years agoin reply to this

              The Obama administration was the would be importer. The administration wanted the sales last year, but recently changed their minds because they didn't want the guns to fall in the wrong hands.

              The 2nd ammendment will never be overstepped I hope, but in reality, even if they did ban the sales to the U.S, no laws were broken and no reason for Conservatives to complain as long as nothing is done to ban the sale of legal firearms to legal citizens.

            2. Doug Hughes profile image60
              Doug Hughesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              Oily didn't like it when I called the title to the OP a lie.

              "You want a piece of me, Doug, Come and get some...

              Then if this is too hard for you to do, just, Google my name, Orlin E Oly Olson in any search engien and see what I do.

              NOBODY, I mean, NOBODY, calls me a LIAR. "

              After I finished trembling, I asked Oily for something to substantiate the OP, and fairly nicely suggested that he could admit he mis-spoke, but there has been no evidence or apology or correction.

              Now I know the difference between fact and opinion. The following fits in the second category. My guess is that the feds have infiltrated a lot of wingnut militias - how many militias are so secret or closed that the feds don't know - nobody knows.  The smart money is on Obama's re-election and IMO, we are going to be looking at domestic terrorism from some dangerously sore losers in 2013. Why arm them with a million military weapons that would go through a 'bulletproof' police vest like tissue paper?

              A political error was made - the US military should have accepted the weapons back and found a nice safe warehouse  pending consideration of the best disposition - then taken their sweet time in deliberation.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                This no big deal, Doug.  Just another "blame Obama" thread by the sore losers.  Like all of them, it's based on suggestion and hyperbole.  smile  Would I like to have a Garand for historical reasons?  Sure, my dad used one in battle. But do I need one for protection?  Nope!  There are plenty of other modern weapons to choose from.  The US made weapons kill better than any other country's.  Something to be proud of, eh?

              2. Jim Hunter profile image60
                Jim Hunterposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                "After I finished trembling, I asked Oily for something to substantiate the OP, and fairly nicely suggested that he could admit he mis-spoke, but there has been no evidence or apology or correction."

                I'm certain most of this is a fabrication.

                You're a democrat male, democrat males don't stop trembling until their wives show up to settle things.

                Then they usually leave with the most masculine person there.

                Which of course is another democrat female.

                1. Doug Hughes profile image60
                  Doug Hughesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  The most masculine female I can think of is Ann Coulter.

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                    PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                    And Boehner is the most feminine male.

                    Of course, all of this is SO important in evaluating the worth of our public servants.  roll

                  2. uncorrectedvision profile image61
                    uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                    Does she scare you Doug.  I thought you liberals were supposed to love strong women.  Maybe if she had rhinoceros hooves like Billy's cuckold.

  5. Evan G Rogers profile image78
    Evan G Rogersposted 6 years ago

    I don't know about "unprecedented"...

    FDR outlawed Gold in 1933 by executive order... that's pretty ballsy.
    http://s1.hubimg.com/u/4646336_f248.jpg

    1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
      OLYHOOCHposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      He was a President, and he could prove,WHO he was, AND, WHERE he was from.

      OLY

      1. Evan G Rogers profile image78
        Evan G Rogersposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        so... theft of gold is OK so long as you're the president?

        Obviously you don't believe that. Obama, even if he was born in Kenya, IS the president. Just like FDR.

        FDR stole Gold, and Obama stole guns(supposedly - you have yet to cite any source for your claim).

        Both actions, under your logic, are valid and allowed... OR, they both have to be bad.

        I vote bad - theft is wrong, no matter what country you're born in.

        1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
          OLYHOOCHposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Evan, lets take this up tomorrow. I will explane why I did not post the link.

          Have a good night,

          OLY

          1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
            OLYHOOCHposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Morning, I surrender. I picked a bad topic, and in selecting an issue, got my backside in a jam.

            This is par for ZZ, aka, OLY and will try to do better on my selections in the future.

            As to why I did not post a link, one time in a group I made a post and in it, they asked for Donations.

            The group in witch I put the post did not want this kind of a post, and as per, got my backside in a mess once more. This, I seem to be good at.

            Anyway, I sent an e-mail with explanation and as of today, am in good standing.

            Well, Evan, I have a lot of crow to eat here today, so, I had better get to it.

            Later,

            OLY

  6. Randy Godwin profile image93
    Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago

    The M1 Garand was designed to be fired in either the fully automatic or semi-automatic mode.  Even though they were converted so they could only shoot in the semi-automatic mode after being sold from military surplus, it is not too difficult to change them back.

    I'm fairly sure there are kits sold just for this purpose.  My dad used an M1 Garand and M1 carbine during WWII.  So if you like machine guns being owned by private citizens, then you should be miffed if Oily's tirade is correct.

    1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
      OLYHOOCHposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      The name is, OLY. I also will refer you to go to, AnnCees posts. Click on them and read all about it.

      OLY

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Read them, what's your point?  Address my post now.  smile

        1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
          OLYHOOCHposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          No problem. My point is this,

          In a move unprecedented in American history, the Obama Administration secretly banned the re-importation of nearly one million American made M1 Garand and Carbine rifles.

          KEY WORD = SECRETLY.

          Now do you see my point.

          OLY

          1. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            It couldn't be very secret if you know about it, Oly.  Besides, you used Fox as a news source.

                                           



            Fox News->

            1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
              OLYHOOCHposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              Glad to see you back, Randy. I get news from all over.

              We will get into this tomorrow.

              Have a good night,

              OLY

              1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                Fine, and you never addressed the machine gun point I posted about.  Don't get slick with me Oly!  lol

                1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
                  Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Stop picking on ZZ sockpuppet.  mad

                  He's a great American

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                    Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                    A great American what?  lol

    2. uncorrectedvision profile image61
      uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      The M-1 Garand was semi-auto only with an 8 round metal clip. The M-1 carbine had selectable fire, auto or semi-auto with a 30 round detachable magazine.  There are several fire arms already sold in the US which can be illegally altered to make them automatic.  There are fully automatic machine guns and submachine guns owned by American citizens now - legally and illegally.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Actually, both models had variants using selective fire, my father used a Garand with this capability.  We still have my dads M1 carbine .30 caliber.  The Garand fired a much more powerful 30.06 round.  Both great rifles in different ways.

        1. uncorrectedvision profile image61
          uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          http://world.guns.ru/rifle/autoloading- … and-e.html

          The Garand was semi-auto site your source.
          Also you failed to address the issue that there are already a large number of legally held fully automatic weapons in the hands of Americans.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            I'll have to find the source of the several models of select fire for a Garand.  I think one was the model T22 but I'm not sure.  Check out this Garand on semi-automatic mode.  smile


            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBQrtzSd … re=related

            1. uncorrectedvision profile image61
              uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              That is called bump firing.  It is holding the stock against the hip and allowing the recoil and return to rap off rounds rapidly.  The cyclic rate of the Garand when fired from this position is high because the s-e-m-i-automatic action is smooth and quick not because it is automatic.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                Yes, I know this technique.  It can be used on other makes of semi-automatic weapons.  I have fired the M1 carbine using this method. 

                1,000,000 more military weapons injected into the population is not needed nor of any consequence.  Modern weapons are much more reliable and preferred. This thread is simply more ranting by the same neocons who put George in office twice,  So much for their ability to make sound decisions on anything, much less criticize the choice of others.  lol

                1. uncorrectedvision profile image61
                  uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Neo-Cons(who ever they are) put GWB in office twice?  Seems to me it was the electoral process and the American people.  The "Neo-Cons" must make up a HUGE portion of the American electorate.

                  Cool map:
                  http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/

    3. maven101 profile image74
      maven101posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Uh, I carried this weapon in the USMC, and unless you file away the sear this is strictly a semi-automatic, gas-operated .30 cal rifle with ( heavens ! ) a bayonet lug...Same goes for the carbine...even filing the sear will only give you three wildly scattered shots before jamming...I have never heard of any kit for this modification...

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Are you stating that only one version of the Garand was ever made or utilized by the military?  Firing a Garand on fully automatic is not very effective but that doesn't mean it wasn't done with some models.

        I received some of my info from my father who fought on D-Day and the Battle of the Bulge under Patton.  He told me things which haven't been publicized until the last decade or so.  I have no reason to doubt his word, but I do understand your point of view.  smile

  7. Ron Montgomery profile image60
    Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago

    http://bbamb.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/zztop41.jpg

    1. Evan G Rogers profile image78
      Evan G Rogersposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      roflcopter!

  8. profile image0
    IRVING GERSONposted 6 years ago

    Why?
    You want to clean them all.

    1. junko profile image65
      junkoposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Oly: That's just what we the people in america need, a million weapons of war just in case we have to apply 2nd amendment right. We don't need no jobs or health care. WE NEEDS MORE GUNS AND STATE'S RIGHTS.

      1. uncorrectedvision profile image61
        uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        There are over 280 million legally owned firearms in the United States. What's another million more or less.

        1. junko profile image65
          junkoposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Are you kidding uncorrectedvision, or do you think guns are needed more than jobs?

          1. uncorrectedvision profile image61
            uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            How many gunsmith jobs would 1 million re-imported military antiques create?

            1. Randy Godwin profile image93
              Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              I give up, how many?  Even down here in the land of hunters and gun aficionados gunsmiths are few and far between.  When the Chinese SKS military rifles were sold by the millions in this area not too long ago (I have a couple)I saw no new gunsmiths popping up.  But you might have better info concerning this than I.

              1. uncorrectedvision profile image61
                uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                Who cares about SKS Chinese junk when a Garand is available for restoration and use.  Besides it was a sarcastic question.  Governments destroy jobs or foster environments for their creation.  Our government is in the job destroying business and has been since the mid-30s.

                1. junko profile image65
                  junkoposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Uncorrectedvision: How long have you been in the goverment destoying business, since 2008. If you are sucessful we all loose. You're not blind,huh or maybe you think it don't matter as long as he only gets one term. You would rather fall on your own sword than support your goverment. You are American, right?  You never know with this internet

                  1. uncorrectedvision profile image61
                    uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                    I do not equate the government of the United States with the United States.  "We are a nation that has a government not a government that has a nation," to quote a good president.  Government is not sacred nor holy.  The men and women who make up government are no more angels than any other citizen.  I do not elevate government above everything else nor do I expect government to do anything specifically for me.

                    I place no more faith in government than I would my own neighbor to do what is right.  Shining Handsome Obama is not the savior of the nation. There have been precious few of those.

                2. Randy Godwin profile image93
                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes, we both knew the question was bogus. So why do you use the government trying to prevent jobs as being part of your argument in this case?  This country produces a tremendous amount of weapons.  Are you worried we will run out?

              2. Jim Hunter profile image60
                Jim Hunterposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                You actually own a couple of SKS's.

                You must really like slam fire.

                Don't hurt yourself.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  I suppose you own knives, Jim.  Don't cut yourself!  lol

      2. lovemychris profile image78
        lovemychrisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        And outlawing abortion. Next they get to making Christianity the State religion, get rid of minimum wage and child labor laws, kill all unions and stop funding for all social programs. Everything will be privatized, with the banks owning your life.
        ONE corporation will control all media,
        ONE wil control all energy,
        ONE huge privately-owned Walmart to shop in for every and all needs.

        But before you enter, you must Praise the Lord, Guns and Netanyahu.

  9. pylos26 profile image78
    pylos26posted 6 years ago

    Ohhh..dear!

  10. mindyjgirl profile image71
    mindyjgirlposted 6 years ago

    1. This isnt about banning the M1 Grand. This is about a step in the door to banning guns-weapons all together.
    2. Banning this gun is rediculous there are many more guns out there, that are a lot more powerfull and deadly than is gun.
    3. It will all end up in a civil war and our country will dissinigrate and some other country will take us over.
    4. Country Folk will all be left with no protection.
    5. There wil be a rash of thievery and killings like there was in australia when they did the same thing.
    6. People in the country will have to makeshift some type of weapon to protect themselves and thier animals from other wild animals eating thier stock.
    this is in no uncertain order.
    Case Closed for me.

    1. junko profile image65
      junkoposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      mindygirl: IT AIN"T ABOUT BANNING THE M1 GRAND . It's about not importing 1,000,000 used rifles.

    2. OLYHOOCH profile image60
      OLYHOOCHposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Mindyjgirl, Good reply. You are the only one that sees a part of this post I made.

      The point I tried to bring out was,

      KEY WORD = SECRETLY.

      I have made a new post this afternoon on a different angle to my point..

      I hope I will stay out of the Dog House, today.

      Thanks,

      OLY

    3. Doug Hughes profile image60
      Doug Hughesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Mindigirl - the wingnuts have been trying to claim there is a conspiracy to ban guns for 2 years - with no evidence. In fact you have MORE freedom to buy or carry a gun now than when Obama took office. And under the previous administration, protesters with anti-Bush T-shirts were quarantined out of the view of the president and the press, gun-toting anti-Obama protesters are allowed at venues where Obama speaks.

      There's a simple word to describe the folks who are convinced the government is out to confiscate all guns - paranoid.

  11. DTR0005 profile image85
    DTR0005posted 6 years ago

    Wow..that was a waste of time.

  12. salt profile image60
    saltposted 6 years ago

    In one context that is good. More americans die from firearms than germans have car accidents!

    ON the other hand, hope theres not an alien invasion! But would our guns be good enough!

  13. Quilligrapher profile image90
    Quilligrapherposted 6 years ago

    According to http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp, “Based on production data from firearm manufacturers, there are roughly 300 million firearms owned by civilians in the United States as of 2010.” 

    Does this country really need another million American M1 Garand and Carbine rifles?

    1. Ralph Deeds profile image73
      Ralph Deedsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      NFW!

      1. Quilligrapher profile image90
        Quilligrapherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        @Ralph Deeds
        Sorry Ralph. Please explain NFW!

    2. uncorrectedvision profile image61
      uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, please.  The increased supply should push the price down so I can have a Garand hanging over my fireplace.  I want a Mauser 98k Karabiner, a Arasaka and a Garand to display - the combat rifles of WWII.

      Shouldn't the market decide what is and is not available for a free people to purchase.  If we are arbitrarily deciding what should or should not be available, I think we have enough cats.  There are over 64 million house cats in America when is enough enough?

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        And a suitcase nuke to go under the bed to help you feel safe at night.  Sounds so peaceful!  lol

      2. Quilligrapher profile image90
        Quilligrapherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        I would feel the same way if someone wanted to import a million cats.

        1. uncorrectedvision profile image61
          uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          How about dominoes?

  14. SpanStar profile image61
    SpanStarposted 6 years ago

    The idea bigots can once again stroll around in their white robes and caps focusing on a race of people they associate with the term watermelon certainly illuminates the landscape of America once again which fiery white crosses so that the next two generations can deal with this mindset of the hatred and ignorance generated by the so-called patriots.

    Forgive me but I have never understood the love for weapons of destruction. The last issue I read about guns in the news pertaining to some kid at I believe the age of three or five years old who Shot His Mother and a father saying he felt sorry for his involvement regarding this matter. I'm not quite sure what he did but it would be my guess he was teaching that child how to shoot that rifle!

    Children breaking into gun cabinets going back to school and shooting up their classmates is another benefit from the proliferation of guns.

    Apparently no matter what kind of destruction is generated from these guns we simply blow it off and cry that we don't have a killing instruments.

    It is high time these so-called adults GROW UP!

 
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