Nearly 1 million American rifles. Banned by a stroke of Barack Obama

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   OLYHOOCHposted 14 years ago

   Dear fellow Patriot,
   
   Nearly 1 million American rifles.
   
   Banned by a stroke of Barack Obama�s pen.
   
   In a move unprecedented in American history, the Obama Administration secretly banned the re-importation of nearly one million American made M1 Garand and Carbine rifles.
   
   The M1 Garand, developed in the late 1930�s, carried the United States through World War II seeing action in every major battle.
   
   General Patton at the time called the M1 Garand �the greatest battle implement ever devised.�
   
   The rifle is largely credited with giving American soldiers the advantage and securing victory for the allies.
   
   During the Korean War, nearly one million of these rifles were brought to South Korea and left with the South Korean government afterward.
   
   Now, South Korea wants to give American gun collectors the chance to get their hands on this unique piece of history.
   
   A piece of American history that Barack Obama would like to see go down the memory hole.
   
   That�s why I need as many Americans as possible to put themselves on record opposing this gun ban by signing the Official Firearms Freedom Survey I�ve enclosed.
   
   Will you please join me?
   
   
   
   
   After World War II, the United States government sent millions of these rifles overseas to our allies and friends.
   
   Over the past 50 years, many of the countries we lent them to returned them to America to be bought and sold by firearms collectors.
   
   This is nothing new.
   
   Make no mistake; these rifles were made in America, by Americans, for Americans, to defend freedom on foreign shores.
   
   As a part of our history, they are greatly sought after by American shooters and collectors.
   
   But according to Hillary Clinton�s State Department there is a danger they might �fall into the wrong hands.�
   
   That they might, possibly, one day be used in a crime.
   
   No mention of the hundreds of thousands of gun owners deprived of the opportunity to own an integral part of American history.
   
   The State Department�s outrageous claims are nothing more than a thinly veiled ploy to distract from the real issue:
   
   President Obama�s deep seated hatred for gun rights.
   
   While his gun-grabbing base is giddy with praise at this back-door gun ban, law-abiding citizens across the United States are crying foul.
   
   Let me be clear: at no time in U.S. history has the ownership of this firearm -- or any part of this firearm -- been illegal, restricted or banned.
   
   Americans have collected World War II M1 Garand and Carbine rifles for decades.
   
   Now they are sold through the Civilian Marksmanship Program.
   
   You can even purchase a newly manufactured model from Springfield Armory that was made just a month or two ago.
   
   And the M1 Garand�s caliber or capacity is no more dangerous than the millions of modern firearms owned by Americans across the country today.
   
   As you can see, there is absolutely no justification for this unconstitutional gun ban.
   
   
   
   
   This is just the latest in a series of anti-gun schemes from the Obama Administration:
   *** New BATFE regulations on semi-automatic rifles, requiring firearms dealers to act as an informant to anti-gun federal bureaucrats if someone buys more than one rifle;
   
   *** The Disarming American Citizens Act (H.R. 2159 in the last Congress) letting Attorney General Eric Holder revoke the Second Amendment rights of ANY American he chooses based on pure suspicion;
   
   *** Notorious anti-gunners appointed to the U.S. Supreme Court and other senior administration positions;
   
   That�s why it is essential that Americans like you and I take a stand against the M1 Garand gun ban!
   
   It has been common practice since the end of World War II to re-import these American made rifles from the foreign allies they were lent to during the war.
   
   But the Obama Administration departs radically from the American tradition.
   
   In fact, on top of banning American citizens from owning these historic firearms, Obama�s State Department is arranging for the destruction of nearly one million of them -- ironically, at a time of ballooning federal deficits.
   
   It�s an outrage!
   
   These firearms -- truly pieces of American history -- rightly belong in the hands of U.S. citizens.
   
   That�s why I�ve joined with the National Association for Gun Rights to fight this power grab in the U.S. Senate.
   
   Do you believe the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Second Amendment are the supreme law of the land?
   
   Do you believe that President Obama banning the re-importation of these historic firearms is an unprecedented and unconstitutional power grab?
   
   Do you support Congress forcing President Obama to reverse his ban and save these American made rifles from destruction?
   
   If you said �Yes� to these questions, please sign the Firearms Freedom Survey the National Association for Gun Rights has prepared for you.
   
   Your survey will put you squarely on the record AGAINST Barack Obama�s Rifle Ban.
   
   HERE IS THE SURVEY TO SIGN BELOW.
   
   http://www.nagr.org/M1_RP_Survey1.aspx?pid=oo
   
   OLY

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      Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I've been a gun owner for the last day and a half, and I've gotta say that I find the anti-Gun laws plaguing this great country of ours to be offensive.
      I think I'm going to take some watermellons to the range and plan my next move.

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         pylos26posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Only a religious fanatic would be serious in a statement like that. That’s how I know you’re joking.

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            Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Psssst!  Mormon! 

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            Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            We can hope he's joking. I'm not so sure.

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               pylos26posted 14 years agoin reply to this

               hello Ralph...yes...a religious fanatic that talks like that deserves attention. The world is full nut cases, as we've seen lately.

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         Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         "Plan my next move."
         
         Just curious, what might that be? What kind of a gun did you buy? Have you had any gun safety training?

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            Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I'm not sure yet, it's still in the makings. Now if you'll excuse me I have some Anti-American mellons in my custody which need to be properly disposed of.

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      Wesman Todd Shawposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I'd like to see a lot more evidence that this is true.  I hate Obama almost as much as I hate Dubya; and I'm of the opinion that even convicted felons should be allowed to own firearms in order to defend whatever home our sick system provides the opportunity for them to establish. . . . .

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         OLYHOOCHposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Just below you are two links. CLICK ON THEM and read all about it.
         
         AnnCee posted them.
         
         OLY

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      pylos26posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Those old things are as useless as teats on a boar hog. Who in the world wants them? Only thing their good for is to fire off all that old surplus ammo.

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      Texasbetaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry goofball, you can't have automatic weapons. You can't own the tanks either. Don't be ridiculous.

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         uncorrectedvisionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         As usual you do not know what you are talking about.
         
         http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html

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            Texasbetaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            So, you can own machine guns if given permission by the government. Great. How about this? You people are out of your minds enough, much less with the legal right to own a machine gun. I wouldn't let you walk my dog, much less have access to tanks or machine guns.

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               Jim Hunterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               "I wouldn't let you walk my dog, much less have access to tanks or machine guns."
               
               You can prevent us from walking your dog.
               
               But the other is out of your hands.

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               uncorrectedvisionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               School yard.  You must be a miserable to work for.

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      Paul Wingertposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      No private citizen need assault weapons, handguns with high capacity clips and machine guns, period!

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      David 470posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      This is not good. I always feared this. The stereotypical assumption that having no guns will make America safer. Criminals will find ways to get guns anyway...
      
      If guns did not exist, people would use knives or other melee weapons. If those did not exist, people would use there bare hands or other objects...
      
      
      Besides, most people that have weapons are responsible. This will only anger the legitimate hunters, and gun collectors of america.

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         David 470posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         The M1 Garand is a 30.06. They ban it just because it has prestige? What foolish notion is this?
         
         So we can buy 30.06 hunting rifles, but M1 garands are more dangerous than them?

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   AnnCeeposted 14 years ago

   http://nagr.org/M1garand.aspx?pid=RMGOM1  The video.
   
   
   
   http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09 … z1ES5mWT2L

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      OLYHOOCHposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Happy to see your up on this issue also.
      
      Thanks,
      
      OLY

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         OLYHOOCHposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         PS, just sent this to all of our Senators and Congressmen and The Governor, of Montana.
         
         OLY

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   knolyourselfposted 14 years ago

   Don't forget Antiques roadshow.

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   Doug Hughesposted 14 years ago

   Facts are real.
   
   The title of the post is a lie. A deliberate falsehood. A malicious deception.
   
   Obama didn't sign anything. There's no evidence he's even aware of the decision by the State Department. I am not sure what the reasoning behind the decision is, and I support the right of gun owners to question and petition.
   
   But knock off the insane attempts to connect anything and everything that you dislike to the president personally.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      He has a right to post, Doug. 
      The dear President has his hand in almost all the pies anyway, so I'm more inclined to believe the information OLY posted than to believe you.

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         Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Brenda - I stated a fact. It's not a 'believe' or 'don't believe' thing.
         
         The OP says Obama signed the order and he didn't. This is another wingnut hatchet job and I'm gonna keep calling out the liars who post on Hubpages until the conservatives give up with the phony posts and join objective reality.

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            Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Gee Doug.
            I dunno what Obama personally signed!   You don't either!
            
            I take it since you're not conservative, you have no "guns and religion" to cling to, so you're grabbing at straws trying to discredit everything conservatives say....
            
            Good luck with that.  You'll need it!

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               OLYHOOCHposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Thank You, Brenda for your comment and going to bat for me. Now, I'll just wait for DIPSTICK, to get back to me
               
               OLY.

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  You're welcome.
                  Conservatives get hammered a lot around here with personal insults.  I think libs haven't mastered the art of civil debate, unless of course we just accept whatever they say; then they LOVE us!  haha.  Needless to say, I'm not very "loved" either!

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               PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Are you really so naive (I'm using that word to be polite; another one first came to mind) to believe that it cannot easily be determined what Obama has signed or not signed?  Really?

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               Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Brenda, A lot of liberals own guns and know how to use them.
               
               A lot of liberals hold to religious beliefs - but liberals don't believe in imposing their beliefs on the public at large.
               
               If you want to conclude that I don't have a gun or hold to religious beliefs, it's a conclusion you jumped to.

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                  OLYHOOCHposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Had to Change My Website. It is now at,
                  
                  https://sites.google.com/site/1olyhooch1/

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            OLYHOOCHposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            You want a piece of me, Doug, Come and get some, BUT, I first suggest that you go to my WEBSITE at,
            
            http://www.muddysilver.shopping.officelive.com
            
            Then, Go look at my Profile on, Facebook,
            
            Then if this is too hard for you to do, just, Google my name, Orlin E Oly Olson in any search engien and see what I do.
            
            NOBODY, I mean, NOBODY, calls me a LIAR.
            
            When you get done checking me out, you will get back to me, won't you!!
            
            OLY

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               Texasbetaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Oly - you are either ignorant of the fact and too lazy to look them up, or you are a flat our liar. Deal with it.

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                  Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Mr. Olson,
                  
                  Facts are facts. You said Obama did something 'with the stroke of a pen'.
                  
                  But I googled the issue of these old military guns and the decision was by the State Department, not the White House. There's NOTHING in evidence signed by Obama. The title of the OP is a LIE. In my opinion it was a deliberate distortion of truth to serve political goals.
                  
                  That might make you a liar - you can backpedal and say you were mistaken, and I don't suggest that an accidental misstatement is a lie. I've made too many mistakes - honest ones, which I admitted when they were pointed out,  to attack for a screw-up.
                  
                  This was a screw-up or a lie - take your pick. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, I work for a living.

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               Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Oly, why don't you just provide us with support for your assertion about President Obama's involvement in the decison on importing M1s from Korea?

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               Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I CHECKED YOU OUT, AND BASED ON YOUR WEBSITE, YOU COULDN'T PASS A THIRD GRADE SPELLING TEST.

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                  OLYHOOCHposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  I am in the process of correcting that, now that I have a computer that will allow me to make those mis-spelled words.
                  
                  Thanks for the reminder.
                  
                  English always was my worst subject.
                  
                  I will have to complement you on one thing, and that is, you are the first to step forward with a comment on my Website in four years.
                  
                  For this, you go to the top of your class. That makes you a winner.
                  
                  Now, I did post an analogy for yesterday, in respect to all.
                  
                  I am not out here to fight or cause ill feelings towards anybody.
                  
                  I am in hopes that this reply does not leave you with a bad taste of my choice of words.
                  
                  Have a good day,
                  
                  OLY

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                     Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Thanks Oly. You too! I have a soft spot in my heart for Swedes because one of my grandmother's parents came from Smoland--Malms and Sundgrens.

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                        OLYHOOCHposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        3/4 Norwegian, but, who cares. We are all from the same group.
                        
                        OLY

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                  Jim Hunterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Man, you're rough.

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            Smkmdb11posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            What did you google?
            
            Conservatives won't "give up" because we are right. Period. Everytime I bring facts to an argument, liberals start to shut up. It's all the same and your a typical lib. Nothing new.
            
            When I google it, I find document after document about this, and do you think that his administration can do something without him knowing. He is the almighty Obama for goodness sake.

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               Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               So when you read between the lines - you did google - you found a pile of documents none of which Obama signed - none of which can be reasonably expected crossed Obama's desk.
               
               We fact-based liberals don't know if it was a decision made in the Oval Office or at State. The OP claims it was not only made by Obama - but SIGNED by Obama. That's false - it's a lie - those who said it may be presumed (absent a correction or apology) to be liars. Those who support the lie join the same club.

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                  Smkmdb11posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm guessing you can prove it was a lie? With any link to any news agencie? Please give us some fact. All you've done so far is state your opinions.

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                     Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Babyface - if you make the claim that President Obama signed the order that banned the guns, the burden of proof is on YOU to show that either Obama signed something, or at least that the order came out of the White House, or the documents related to the ban passed through the White House. The State Department is a big agency in the federal government, and so far that's as close a tie to Obama as you have made.

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                        Jim Hunterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        No, its on you to prove he's lying.
                        
                        You made the accusation.

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                        Jim Hunterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        "The State Department is a big agency in the federal government, and so far that's as close a tie to Obama as you have made."
                        
                        I know he is incompetent but he is in charge of the State department and the FBI and CIA Etc.

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                        Reality Bytesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        
                        
                        
                        lol "burden of proof"
                        
                        *looks around* 
                        
                        Yep, this is a forum, for a second I thought I was in a courtroom.

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         Texasbetaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         So Brenda agrees that the fact mean nothing to her, and misrepresenting issues, what conservatives do, is entirely supported by their base. Again, we get back to the basics of bad people.

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      uncorrectedvisionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Was he napping?  Was he deep in his cups?  Why doesn't the minutiae expert and chief - the omniscient one - know what his own state department is doing?

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         Texasbetaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Dude, seriously? Does your owner know what you did at 1513 last Wednesday? Mine didn't. I am a manager at my company and I don't know half of what my staff does most of the time. I am busy! I put them in place because I trust their decisions, but I don't watch each step they take every day.

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            Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Did Reagan know about the Iran-Contra deals?    Not according to Ollie North! 

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      Smkmdb11posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Come on, the president knows what goes on with his own administration.
      
      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09 … -m-rifles/
      
      They agreed on the sale last year, and recently reversed their decision and banned it. They fear it will get into the wrong hands, which leads to the argument on gun control laws and the fact that the people who commit the break ins and serious crimes get the guns illegaly anyway.
      
      Ban the sale of guns to citizens and the only people who won't have guns are the honest Americans.

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         Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Got anything from a reputable source?

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            Smkmdb11posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I expected that...
            
            http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 … r-gun-ban/
            
            http://www.ammoland.com/2010/09/19/obam … ollectors/
            
            http://www.nationalgunrights.org/m1-ban/
            
            You probably won't see it on CNN or MSNBC, obvioulsy these agencies want to cover only what makes Obama look good and this is a very un-Constitutional move. Nothing new though.

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               Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Are you saying these link sources don't have an agenda?  Wake up, there are plenty of weapons for everyone without these few being allowed into the mix.
               
               Perhaps you can tell me which country is the main exporter of military weapons? 

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                  Smkmdb11posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Every source has an agenda. Would you rather a more liberal biased news agency?

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                     Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     I prefer the truth.

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                        Smkmdb11posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Well you probably won't find much of that on television period, lol.

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               Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               No indication that President Obama was involved in the decision. If he was, no apologies are called for. It was good public policy. The would-be importers probably want to sell them to Mexican drug lords and militia wingnuts.

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                  Smkmdb11posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  The Obama administration was the would be importer. The administration wanted the sales last year, but recently changed their minds because they didn't want the guns to fall in the wrong hands.
                  
                  The 2nd ammendment will never be overstepped I hope, but in reality, even if they did ban the sales to the U.S, no laws were broken and no reason for Conservatives to complain as long as nothing is done to ban the sale of legal firearms to legal citizens.

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                  Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Oily didn't like it when I called the title to the OP a lie.
                  
                  "You want a piece of me, Doug, Come and get some...
                  
                  Then if this is too hard for you to do, just, Google my name, Orlin E Oly Olson in any search engien and see what I do.
                  
                  NOBODY, I mean, NOBODY, calls me a LIAR. "
                  
                  After I finished trembling, I asked Oily for something to substantiate the OP, and fairly nicely suggested that he could admit he mis-spoke, but there has been no evidence or apology or correction.
                  
                  Now I know the difference between fact and opinion. The following fits in the second category. My guess is that the feds have infiltrated a lot of wingnut militias - how many militias are so secret or closed that the feds don't know - nobody knows.  The smart money is on Obama's re-election and IMO, we are going to be looking at domestic terrorism from some dangerously sore losers in 2013. Why arm them with a million military weapons that would go through a 'bulletproof' police vest like tissue paper?
                  
                  A political error was made - the US military should have accepted the weapons back and found a nice safe warehouse  pending consideration of the best disposition - then taken their sweet time in deliberation.

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                     Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     This no big deal, Doug.  Just another "blame Obama" thread by the sore losers.  Like all of them, it's based on suggestion and hyperbole.    Would I like to have a Garand for historical reasons?  Sure, my dad used one in battle. But do I need one for protection?  Nope!  There are plenty of other modern weapons to choose from.  The US made weapons kill better than any other country's.  Something to be proud of, eh?

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                     Jim Hunterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     "After I finished trembling, I asked Oily for something to substantiate the OP, and fairly nicely suggested that he could admit he mis-spoke, but there has been no evidence or apology or correction."
                     
                     I'm certain most of this is a fabrication.
                     
                     You're a democrat male, democrat males don't stop trembling until their wives show up to settle things.
                     
                     Then they usually leave with the most masculine person there.
                     
                     Which of course is another democrat female.

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                        Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        The most masculine female I can think of is Ann Coulter.

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                           PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           And Boehner is the most feminine male.
                           
                           Of course, all of this is SO important in evaluating the worth of our public servants. 

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                              uncorrectedvisionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Really, I thought you liberals were supposed to love sensitive men in touch with their feminine side?

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                                 PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 There you go again, making assumptions about what liberals love.  I keep telling you righties that we don't all think alike. I know those pathways in your brain have barely budged since birth, but try and build a new one.  You might enjoy a little clean blacktop amongst all the old tar.

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                                    uncorrectedvisionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    You see I don't care about what you think.  I was making a point regarding the inconsistency in what liberal feel.  You do all share one vital thing but that would be impossible for you to fully comprehend and so why waste the time.  All liberals, because they are liberals, are limited in their ability to understand some vital ideas.  But it is okay.  I worked for years in special education.  I understand.

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                                       PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       Again, we don't all "feel" the same way.
                                       
                                       I work very hard not to assume that individual conservatives all think alike.  I responded that way to you because you don't seem to do the same.  It's easier to argue with a stereotype than a person, but the extra effort can sometimes result in a worthwhile conversation.
                                       
                                       I know you don't care what I think, but maybe someone else will listen and get it.  But, hey, this is all just for fun anyway. 

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                                          uncorrectedvisionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                          You see there are key things about which all liberals feel the same.  That is what makes them liberals.  I am quite aware that there are individual minor things on which liberals differ but did you stop to think -- oops sorry -- feels that I am prodding just to get a rise.  The reaction makes me smile but then again I am a conservative so cruelty is in my genes.

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                                             PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                             I doubt that you can find a single issue that 100% of all self-identified liberals agree upon.  I'm sure the same would apply to self-identified conservatives.

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                                             PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                             You edited after I posted.
                                             
                                             I'm pretty sure we are both smiling.  See, we found something to share.  Isn't that nice?  Us liberals like it when we can find common ground with conservatives.
                                             
                                             Edited to add:  If I thought conservatives were genetically prone to cruelty I wouldn't be happily married to one.

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                                                uncorrectedvisionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                If my wife were a liberal I would have paid off the mortgage by now and replaced my poor departed sweetie with an Irish Wolf Hound - they have the good sense not to out live their usefulness.

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                                    AnnCeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    One thing is sure, liberals the web over resort very quickly to ad hominem attacks over discussion of the issues at hand.  I believe it may be the result of swallowing so many little incongruities and inconsistencies over the years that somehow the reasoning faculties are damaged and the limbic area of the brain grows stronger.  How else to explain the angry froth that spews forth when liberals are confronted with facts?

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                                       PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       Too funny, Ann, after the fact-challenged threads you've started here.

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                                          AnnCeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                          Most of my posts include facts.  I don't usually chat or throw personal insults around.  I'm interested in discussing current events.  The fact that I have posted a couple of articles that turned out to be hyperbole doesn't make me "fact-challenged."  Except you liberals will grasp at anything to shut up those you disagree with.  It's what you do, all of you, from the top on down.

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                                             Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                             Ann, just reconcile yourself to the fact that the loony left will nip at your heels barking inanely and ignore them. You know that they rarely say anything that actually contributes to the discussion but will make remarks over stupid little things that have nothing to do with the topic.

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                                             Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                             Just what are you here for, Ann?  You have one short hub with more of the same old ranting about Obama on it.   What is your mission here, just to bitch about how your guy lost?
                                             
                                             This is a writer's site in case you aren't aware of it.  Can you discuss anything other than your dislike of liberals and Obama in particular?

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                                             PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                             Okay, I really am going to bed after I say this one thing, which is directed at both you and FK.  Please read through this thread and notice that the first post to include "remarks over stupid little things" is Jim Hunter's reference to masculine democrat (not Democratic) females.  Doug and I responded in kind, and I even added a sarcastic remark to show how truly unimportant I felt the topic to be.
                                             
                                             Next, please read through the thread and show me ONCE where I categorized conservatives in general in a bad light.  Yes, I responded derisively to UCV directly, but did not diss all conservatives in the process.  The same cannot be said of either you, UCV, or FK.  All of you engaged in grouping liberals together in a bad light.
                                             
                                             And, yes, if you post more than one thread that includes distortions, then it does make you fact-challenged.  THAT is a fact.
                                             
                                             As far as shutting you up, you're still here aren't you?  Who is shutting you up?  You're entitled to say whatever you want within the rules of the forum.  Are you suddenly a victim somehow?
                                             
                                             Yes, I am in the mood to call you all on your games.  I don't believe all of you do it intentionally, but some of you do.
                                             
                                             Good night all, and remember, we can NEVER move this country forward if all we do is form battle lines based on political persuasion.
                                             
                                             This loony leftie is signing off.

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                                                Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                
                                                
                                                That's funny, the lefties never had that attitude when Bush was president.  They seem to have selective memory.

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                                                   PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                   Really?  I seem to recall a lot of support from Democrats in the runup to the Iraq War.  Of course, many of them regret it now, but you cannot claim with a serious face that Bush did not get support from Dems.
                                                   
                                                   But, you are right, that some lefties will never work with
                                                   righties.  So, why don't we, as individuals, choose to be different?

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                                                      Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                      Support?   They accused Bush of lying even tho those idiot had the same info.
                                                      
                                                      As with all things political, I will give credit to those who actually choose to be different when I see it.

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                                                      uncorrectedvisionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                      I love that.  The idiot in chief deceived the smartest woman in the world in to voting for an illegal adventure into a country that was never a threat on the pretext that it bloody handed dictator was planning to fire up his WMD programs or already had.  Wow what an idiot smirking monkey he was so stupid that he got Democrats to dance to the tune he was calling while they, the whole time degraded him, his V.P., his cabinet and his party and let's not forget the military and the war effort itself.  IF that is support I would hate to see opposition.
                                                      
                                                      But, hey, as long as we are all bipartisan softies afterward.  Boy I miss that mush spined John McCain, but I see him making a come back in the yield the field to the opposition phase of the game.

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                                                         PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                         Fascinating.  Did I say any of those things?  I must be posting in my sleep, unaware of my own rantings.
                                                         
                                                         Lost cause.

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                                                            uncorrectedvisionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                            Lost cause - absolutely true.  I cannot find common ground with liberals because there is none.  Liberalism requires a set of assumptions about humans that I do not share, cannot share.  We do not share a universe of discourse.  We do not share an understanding of nature, the universe, economics, etc....  So it is, indeed, a lost cause.

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                                                               PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                               Enjoy your little compartments. Your mental safety net remains unbroken.

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                                                                  uncorrectedvisionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                  You don't understand and that is fine.  As a liberal you cannot understand.

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                           uncorrectedvisionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Does she scare you Doug.  I thought you liberals were supposed to love strong women.  Maybe if she had rhinoceros hooves like Billy's cuckold.

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   Evan G Rogersposted 14 years ago

   I don't know about "unprecedented"...
   
   FDR outlawed Gold in 1933 by executive order... that's pretty ballsy.
   

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      OLYHOOCHposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      He was a President, and he could prove,WHO he was, AND, WHERE he was from.
      
      OLY

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         Evan G Rogersposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         so... theft of gold is OK so long as you're the president?
         
         Obviously you don't believe that. Obama, even if he was born in Kenya, IS the president. Just like FDR.
         
         FDR stole Gold, and Obama stole guns(supposedly - you have yet to cite any source for your claim).
         
         Both actions, under your logic, are valid and allowed... OR, they both have to be bad.
         
         I vote bad - theft is wrong, no matter what country you're born in.

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            OLYHOOCHposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Evan, lets take this up tomorrow. I will explane why I did not post the link.
            
            Have a good night,
            
            OLY

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               OLYHOOCHposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Morning, I surrender. I picked a bad topic, and in selecting an issue, got my backside in a jam.
               
               This is par for ZZ, aka, OLY and will try to do better on my selections in the future.
               
               As to why I did not post a link, one time in a group I made a post and in it, they asked for Donations.
               
               The group in witch I put the post did not want this kind of a post, and as per, got my backside in a mess once more. This, I seem to be good at.
               
               Anyway, I sent an e-mail with explanation and as of today, am in good standing.
               
               Well, Evan, I have a lot of crow to eat here today, so, I had better get to it.
               
               Later,
               
               OLY

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   Randy Godwinposted 14 years ago

   The M1 Garand was designed to be fired in either the fully automatic or semi-automatic mode.  Even though they were converted so they could only shoot in the semi-automatic mode after being sold from military surplus, it is not too difficult to change them back.
   
   I'm fairly sure there are kits sold just for this purpose.  My dad used an M1 Garand and M1 carbine during WWII.  So if you like machine guns being owned by private citizens, then you should be miffed if Oily's tirade is correct.

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      OLYHOOCHposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The name is, OLY. I also will refer you to go to, AnnCees posts. Click on them and read all about it.
      
      OLY

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         Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Read them, what's your point?  Address my post now. 

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            OLYHOOCHposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            No problem. My point is this,
            
            In a move unprecedented in American history, the Obama Administration secretly banned the re-importation of nearly one million American made M1 Garand and Carbine rifles.
            
            KEY WORD = SECRETLY.
            
            Now do you see my point.
            
            OLY

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               Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               It couldn't be very secret if you know about it, Oly.  Besides, you used Fox as a news source.
               
                                              
               
               
               
               Fox News->

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                  OLYHOOCHposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Glad to see you back, Randy. I get news from all over.
                  
                  We will get into this tomorrow.
                  
                  Have a good night,
                  
                  OLY

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                     Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Fine, and you never addressed the machine gun point I posted about.  Don't get slick with me Oly! 

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                        Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Stop picking on ZZ sockpuppet. 
                        
                        He's a great American

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                           Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           A great American what? 

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      uncorrectedvisionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The M-1 Garand was semi-auto only with an 8 round metal clip. The M-1 carbine had selectable fire, auto or semi-auto with a 30 round detachable magazine.  There are several fire arms already sold in the US which can be illegally altered to make them automatic.  There are fully automatic machine guns and submachine guns owned by American citizens now - legally and illegally.

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         Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Actually, both models had variants using selective fire, my father used a Garand with this capability.  We still have my dads M1 carbine .30 caliber.  The Garand fired a much more powerful 30.06 round.  Both great rifles in different ways.

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            uncorrectedvisionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            http://world.guns.ru/rifle/autoloading- … and-e.html
            
            The Garand was semi-auto site your source.
            Also you failed to address the issue that there are already a large number of legally held fully automatic weapons in the hands of Americans.

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               Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I'll have to find the source of the several models of select fire for a Garand.  I think one was the model T22 but I'm not sure.  Check out this Garand on semi-automatic mode. 
               
               
               http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBQrtzSd … re=related

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                  uncorrectedvisionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  That is called bump firing.  It is holding the stock against the hip and allowing the recoil and return to rap off rounds rapidly.  The cyclic rate of the Garand when fired from this position is high because the s-e-m-i-automatic action is smooth and quick not because it is automatic.

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                     Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Yes, I know this technique.  It can be used on other makes of semi-automatic weapons.  I have fired the M1 carbine using this method. 
                     
                     1,000,000 more military weapons injected into the population is not needed nor of any consequence.  Modern weapons are much more reliable and preferred. This thread is simply more ranting by the same neocons who put George in office twice,  So much for their ability to make sound decisions on anything, much less criticize the choice of others. 

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                        uncorrectedvisionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Neo-Cons(who ever they are) put GWB in office twice?  Seems to me it was the electoral process and the American people.  The "Neo-Cons" must make up a HUGE portion of the American electorate.
                        
                        Cool map:
                        http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/

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      maven101posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Uh, I carried this weapon in the USMC, and unless you file away the sear this is strictly a semi-automatic, gas-operated .30 cal rifle with ( heavens ! ) a bayonet lug...Same goes for the carbine...even filing the sear will only give you three wildly scattered shots before jamming...I have never heard of any kit for this modification...

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         Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Are you stating that only one version of the Garand was ever made or utilized by the military?  Firing a Garand on fully automatic is not very effective but that doesn't mean it wasn't done with some models.
         
         I received some of my info from my father who fought on D-Day and the Battle of the Bulge under Patton.  He told me things which haven't been publicized until the last decade or so.  I have no reason to doubt his word, but I do understand your point of view. 

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   Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago

   

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      Evan G Rogersposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      roflcopter!

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   IRVING GERSONposted 14 years ago

   Why?
   You want to clean them all.

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      junkoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Oly: That's just what we the people in america need, a million weapons of war just in case we have to apply 2nd amendment right. We don't need no jobs or health care. WE NEEDS MORE GUNS AND STATE'S RIGHTS.

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         uncorrectedvisionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         There are over 280 million legally owned firearms in the United States. What's another million more or less.

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            junkoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Are you kidding uncorrectedvision, or do you think guns are needed more than jobs?

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               uncorrectedvisionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               How many gunsmith jobs would 1 million re-imported military antiques create?

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                  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  I give up, how many?  Even down here in the land of hunters and gun aficionados gunsmiths are few and far between.  When the Chinese SKS military rifles were sold by the millions in this area not too long ago (I have a couple)I saw no new gunsmiths popping up.  But you might have better info concerning this than I.

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                     uncorrectedvisionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Who cares about SKS Chinese junk when a Garand is available for restoration and use.  Besides it was a sarcastic question.  Governments destroy jobs or foster environments for their creation.  Our government is in the job destroying business and has been since the mid-30s.

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                        junkoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Uncorrectedvision: How long have you been in the goverment destoying business, since 2008. If you are sucessful we all loose. You're not blind,huh or maybe you think it don't matter as long as he only gets one term. You would rather fall on your own sword than support your goverment. You are American, right?  You never know with this internet

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                           uncorrectedvisionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           I do not equate the government of the United States with the United States.  "We are a nation that has a government not a government that has a nation," to quote a good president.  Government is not sacred nor holy.  The men and women who make up government are no more angels than any other citizen.  I do not elevate government above everything else nor do I expect government to do anything specifically for me.
                           
                           I place no more faith in government than I would my own neighbor to do what is right.  Shining Handsome Obama is not the savior of the nation. There have been precious few of those.

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                              junkoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Uncorrectedvision: Empty wagons make the most noise.  I'm not surprise with the answer you gave, but I have to admit I hoped for dialog that I could follow.

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                                 uncorrectedvisionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 I am not surprised you can't follow.  You and I do not share a universe of discourse.

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                                    junkoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    We do or we don't?

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                                       uncorrectedvisionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       do not

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                        Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Yes, we both knew the question was bogus. So why do you use the government trying to prevent jobs as being part of your argument in this case?  This country produces a tremendous amount of weapons.  Are you worried we will run out?

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                     Jim Hunterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     You actually own a couple of SKS's.
                     
                     You must really like slam fire.
                     
                     Don't hurt yourself.

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                        Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        I suppose you own knives, Jim.  Don't cut yourself! 

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         lovemychrisposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         And outlawing abortion. Next they get to making Christianity the State religion, get rid of minimum wage and child labor laws, kill all unions and stop funding for all social programs. Everything will be privatized, with the banks owning your life.
         ONE corporation will control all media,
         ONE wil control all energy,
         ONE huge privately-owned Walmart to shop in for every and all needs.
         
         But before you enter, you must Praise the Lord, Guns and Netanyahu.

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   pylos26posted 14 years ago

   Ohhh..dear!

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    mindyjgirlposted 14 years ago

    1. This isnt about banning the M1 Grand. This is about a step in the door to banning guns-weapons all together.
    2. Banning this gun is rediculous there are many more guns out there, that are a lot more powerfull and deadly than is gun.
    3. It will all end up in a civil war and our country will dissinigrate and some other country will take us over.
    4. Country Folk will all be left with no protection.
    5. There wil be a rash of thievery and killings like there was in australia when they did the same thing.
    6. People in the country will have to makeshift some type of weapon to protect themselves and thier animals from other wild animals eating thier stock.
    this is in no uncertain order.
    Case Closed for me.

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       junkoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       mindygirl: IT AIN"T ABOUT BANNING THE M1 GRAND . It's about not importing 1,000,000 used rifles.

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       OLYHOOCHposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Mindyjgirl, Good reply. You are the only one that sees a part of this post I made.
       
       The point I tried to bring out was,
       
       KEY WORD = SECRETLY.
       
       I have made a new post this afternoon on a different angle to my point..
       
       I hope I will stay out of the Dog House, today.
       
       Thanks,
       
       OLY

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       Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Mindigirl - the wingnuts have been trying to claim there is a conspiracy to ban guns for 2 years - with no evidence. In fact you have MORE freedom to buy or carry a gun now than when Obama took office. And under the previous administration, protesters with anti-Bush T-shirts were quarantined out of the view of the president and the press, gun-toting anti-Obama protesters are allowed at venues where Obama speaks.
       
       There's a simple word to describe the folks who are convinced the government is out to confiscate all guns - paranoid.

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    DTR0005posted 14 years ago

    Wow..that was a waste of time.

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    saltposted 14 years ago

    In one context that is good. More americans die from firearms than germans have car accidents!
    
    ON the other hand, hope theres not an alien invasion! But would our guns be good enough!

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    Quilligrapherposted 14 years ago

    According to http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp, “Based on production data from firearm manufacturers, there are roughly 300 million firearms owned by civilians in the United States as of 2010.” 
    
    Does this country really need another million American M1 Garand and Carbine rifles?

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       Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       NFW!

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          Quilligrapherposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          @Ralph Deeds
          Sorry Ralph. Please explain NFW!

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       uncorrectedvisionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, please.  The increased supply should push the price down so I can have a Garand hanging over my fireplace.  I want a Mauser 98k Karabiner, a Arasaka and a Garand to display - the combat rifles of WWII.
       
       Shouldn't the market decide what is and is not available for a free people to purchase.  If we are arbitrarily deciding what should or should not be available, I think we have enough cats.  There are over 64 million house cats in America when is enough enough?

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          Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          And a suitcase nuke to go under the bed to help you feel safe at night.  Sounds so peaceful! 

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          Quilligrapherposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I would feel the same way if someone wanted to import a million cats.

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             uncorrectedvisionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             How about dominoes?

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    SpanStarposted 14 years ago

    The idea bigots can once again stroll around in their white robes and caps focusing on a race of people they associate with the term watermelon certainly illuminates the landscape of America once again which fiery white crosses so that the next two generations can deal with this mindset of the hatred and ignorance generated by the so-called patriots.
    
    Forgive me but I have never understood the love for weapons of destruction. The last issue I read about guns in the news pertaining to some kid at I believe the age of three or five years old who Shot His Mother and a father saying he felt sorry for his involvement regarding this matter. I'm not quite sure what he did but it would be my guess he was teaching that child how to shoot that rifle!
    
    Children breaking into gun cabinets going back to school and shooting up their classmates is another benefit from the proliferation of guns.
    
    Apparently no matter what kind of destruction is generated from these guns we simply blow it off and cry that we don't have a killing instruments.
    
    It is high time these so-called adults GROW UP!

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