Now we know that Bush got a sandal thrown at him. But the Obama getting the treatment in Sri Lanka, even if it was in effigy. But I thought Obama's foreign policy was to get them to like us.
I guess it ain't working.
Lol! People don't get it well liberal people don't get it... we've freed millions of muslims in Bosnia and Iraq and Afghanistan and supported uprisings in Egypt and Libya but still muslims hate us! Why? Because we aren't muslims! They wont be happy until they kill us or convert us.
Whoops...there went all the Democrat speech of how the world hated us during the Bush Term...right out the proverbial window. Poor Obama...his Momma never told him that it is impossible to be liked by everyone...no matter how hard you try.
And there goes all your outrage for people of another country bashing your president.
BTW--they don't hate us because we're not muslim. They hate us because of our one-sided support for Israel, that brutal regime.
"Israel discriminates against its Arab citizens."
Israel is one of the most open societies in the world. Out of a population of 6.7 million, about 1.3 million — 20 percent of the population — are non-Jews (approximately 1.1 million Muslims, 130,000 Christians and 100,000 Druze).
Arabs in Israel have equal voting rights; in fact, it is one of the few places in the Middle East where Arab women may vote.
Arabs currently hold 8 seats in the 120-seat Knesset. Israeli Arabs have also held various government posts, including one who served as Israel's ambassador to Finland and the current deputy mayor of Tel Aviv. Oscar Abu Razaq was appointed Director General of the Ministry of Interior, the first Arab citizen to become chief executive of a key government ministry.
Ariel Sharon's original cabinet included the first Arab minister, Salah Tarif, a Druze who served as a minister without portfolio.
An Arab is also a Supreme Court justice.
Arabic, like Hebrew, is an official language in Israel. More than 300,000 Arab children attend Israeli schools. At the time of Israel's founding, there was one Arab high school in the country. Today, there are hundreds of Arab schools.
In 2002, the Israeli Supreme Court also ruled that the government cannot allocate land based on religion or ethnicity, and may not prevent Arab citizens from living wherever they choose.
The sole legal distinction between Jewish and Arab citizens of Israel is that the latter are not required to serve in the Israeli army. This is to spare Arab citizens the need to take up arms against their brethren. Nevertheless, Bedouins have served in paratroop units and other Arabs have volunteered for military duty. Compulsory military service is applied to the Druze and Circassian communities at their own request.
Some economic and social gaps between Israeli Jews and Arabs result from the latter not serving in the military. Veterans qualify for many benefits not available to non-veterans. Moreover, the army aids in the socialization process.
On the other hand, Arabs do have an advantage in obtaining some jobs during the years Israelis are in the military. In addition, industries like construction and trucking have come to be dominated by Israeli Arabs.
Although Israeli Arabs have occasionally been involved in terrorist activities, they have generally behaved as loyal citizens. During the 1967, 1973 and 1982 wars, none engaged in any acts of sabotage or disloyalty. Sometimes, in fact, Arabs volunteered to take over civilian functions for reservists. During the outbreak of violence in the territories that began in September 2000, Israeli Arabs for the first time engaged in widespread protests with some violence.
The United States has been independent for almost 230 years and still has not integrated all of its diverse communities. Even today, 60 years after civil rights legislation was adopted, discrimination has not been eradicated. It should not be surprising that Israel has not solved all of its social problems in only 57 years.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso … /mf18.html
Not that you are interested in facts and reality. Not that you've noticed the dome of the rock is left like a leach on the heart of Jerusalem. Antisemitism comes from a place other than the mind.
I do not believe your source. You are asking me to deny reality. I won't.
Do you support the Goldstone Report?
Did you watch The Iron Wall?
Have you read Theodor Herzl?
Or are you telling me the situation of the Palestinians is good and just?
If so, that shows your mind-set, and nothing that I can trust.
It is what is it, not what you and your sources say it is!
Ever been to Israel? The anti-Christian and anti-Muslim attitude is quite palpable. You can't learn about what life in Israel is really like on a church tour. In many places, Palestinians are literally kept behind a wall - a wall that looks and functions just like the old Berlin Wall in Germany.
For a non-Jew, there is very little freedom of movement, very little in the way of property rights, very little of anything in fact. It is a dismal existence indeed. To be fair, there is a strong secular movement in Israel - mainly among the "Progressives" - go figure.
And you are a self proclaimed expert on why they hate us. Leave me and my "outrage" alone! Surely...you have stated enough confounded jibberish...in your postings. What do you know of my "outrage". Quit trying to make big points with all your known alliances on here...by using big words!
You wouldn't happen to be a right-wing Christian would you?
Wait...let me check in the mirror. By God...I think...I just could be. Hallelujah...A lib who knows all finally labeled me!
You wouldn't happen to be a Lefty Loonie Liberal...would ya'? Oh, I forgot...thaaatsss what makes you an expert on everything on the entire globe that has to do with Politics... My bad...The Floor yields to the expert on Liberal Politics! (God knows...everything they try to do works out sooo perfectly!)
Oh you are GOOD, manly!
Sometimes wish this board had a [like] or [exalt] button.
Well here's this.
No silly--I could tell by the sweetness and love that you project.
It's the same sweetness and love you all seem to express.
I can tell you really take The Word to heart.
Quit hiding your real feelings......Tell us how you really feel! You are very angry at Christian Right Wing, Conservative, God-Fearing, Nation Loving, Proud of our Country-just the way it is, Nutjobs...like myself. And you are just dying to not only get the last word in to every fray you ever enter...but you're also willing to make little jabbish hints...about how I should conduct myself...while I make my form of reference in comment form...under the label that you define me under. So, that makes you kind of Judge and Jury on everything you say. All so that you can be the very thing you try so hard to be daily on the forums here. You just want to be right about everything! Guess what, Chris lover...don't even tell me how I really take The Word to heart. That is just pompous and arrogant...and immature. And so like a Non-Religion, Liberal, Yankee, who spouts of tolerance all day long...about the same way she posts all day on the forums in arguments with everyone!
Why don't you try to get along with more folks, Chris lover? Did some big mean Republican say bad things to you that you can never forgive? Can't you find forgiveness in your heart (Christian labeled comment-What you'd expect also-from someone of that label)? I'm sure you will have some sarcastic comment to make to get the last word in...because you are the one that states correctly...how the rest of us should be thinking!
You mean like the love you have for Jews?
Hitler had that kind of love.
I have a problem with Zionists.
And the Nazi's never went anywhere but underground.
Look around you...we have long since become a quasi-police state.
Walker called them up against the citizens of Wisconsin just recently.
So, your politcally correct attempt to brand me an anti-semite won't work.
"Walker called them up against the citizens of Wisconsin just recently."
He didn't call Union thugs...Obama did
"So, your politcally correct attempt to brand me an anti-semite won't work.
Your words brand you an Anti-Semite.
Its your feelings, own them.
Whoa..Obama called Union thugs to Wisconsin?
I have a problem with Zionists....that brands me anti-semite how?
That would include Cheney, Perle, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Libby,Chertoff and Biden to name a few.
Are you saying all Jews are Zionists, or all Zionists are Jews?
I will own my feelings, and thank you not to!
Opinion means very little. Everyone has one you know?
http://www.danielpipes.org/5845/barack- … uslim-eyes
Rather a complicated situation vis a vis the Middle East for our president. It's different for him than for any other president.
Another biased view...
I refuse to read them! I've heard it already! We've had it shoved down our throats for 60 years!
Pipes...a Fox regular, right?
I want to hear from a muslim, from a Palestinian, NOT an American neo-con.
What is funny? You are taking the American/Israel view to tell me why muslims hate us...IF they do.
I want to know from them.
That's like me telling you and your manly friend there how to be Christian....although I think someone should.
What is funny? You are taking the American/Israel view to tell me why muslims hate us...IF they do.
I want to know from them.
I do seem to recall them slamming two planes into the twin towers in NYC. Was that an act of love ? Actions speak louder then words. Quit burying your head in the sand Chris and face the truth.If you are capable. By the way you an American ?
Unless you are prepared to condemn the whole of Christianity for atrocities committed by Christians, don't condemn the whole of Islam for atrocities committed by a few Muslims.
John, I am amazed that no one on here has ever brought the IRA and their terrorist activities....
Sorry John that is a load of rubbish. I know to many Christians who do actually walk the walk. And you and your obvious disdain for Christians taints your viewpoint. So in my mind you have no credibility.
Why is it a load of rubbish?
I know too many Muslims who hate the Muslim extremists.
And how does my being open minded translate to a disdain for Christians?
Pretty please, invite all your Muslim friends to tell us how much they hate Muslim extremists. The silence is deafening.
Oh dear, you've got me there bang to rights! I know no Muslims who subscribe to hub pages thus proving conclusively that I am wrong and they are all extremists!
BTW, deafening silence from extremist Muslims as well, but then again that's different isn't it?
Muslims are a lot closer in their beliefs to Christians than most Christians would ever imagine. It isn't hard to find out their doctrine, but it's easier for the populous to go on "what they've heard" instead of what they have actually read. The lies and half-truths are much more entertaining than the actual facts. The problem is no one in the US knew anything about Muslims or cared until 9/11. Then all that came through was half-truths, misinformation, etc, etc. Whenever a devout Muslim refers to Jesus Christ, he does so by saying "my master Jesus" then wishes "peace upon him."
The Jews consider Jesus Christ to be "nothing." And when I say nothing, I mean - NOTHING. He has absolutely no relevance - NONE - in Judaism.
And I am not an anti-semite. I grew up with both Jews and Muslims and have been to services at temples and at mosques.
Something to keep in mind. The average Muslim is like the average Christian and the average Jew in the world - not particularly devout. It's as if the world's only view of Christians was gathered from watching a West Virginia snake-handling baptist service. It wouldn't be very favorable and one would think that all Christians are a bit insane and more than a little ignorant. Well our "exposure" to Islam isn't that much different - we see the nut fringe and not the average Muslim who goes to work, hopes to be able to feed his family, hopes to see his kids married, etc.
I geuss you didn't read the former post....
I believe 9/11 was an inside job. I don't think muslims were behind it.
I think the neo-con Zionists in our gvt and Israel's gvt planned and executed it.
Sure, Bin-Laden took credit..made him a hero. But remember that his family had worked with the Bush's for years as part of the Carlyle Group.
But as far as being able to pull a stunt like that on the "Biggest, Baddest, Most Technically Advanced Powerful Military" in the world?
Oh H no.
So, yeah I'm an American, and now YOU know why I have so much anger at Buscho and the PNAC crowd.
Tony, does being a "good American" mean backing the "team" no matter what they do? If so, then maybe you and the other conservatives ought to stop slamming Obama. I mean in a way it only follows that if you must agree with everything this country has ever done to be a "good American," you must agree with, well, everything this country is doing now in order to fit the definition of a "good American."
Of course, my statement is ridiculous - but no more ridiculous than questioning another American's patriotism because they find the treatment of the Palestinians by Israel and our foreign policy, rubber stamping Israel's actions, etc., to be either "wrong" or questionable.
That's all they ever do DT--
Say "you hate America", and "you hate Jews".
Then they wonder why I'm combative with them.
"does being a "good American" mean backing the "team" no matter what they do? If so, then maybe you and the other conservatives ought to stop slamming Obama."
Thats backing an Anti-American.
"Love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you."
I have not seen anything CLOSE to this anywhere around here....except for habee.
You all talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. That's what I'm saying.
And I never claimed to be tolerant. In fact, I came on here expressing my opinion that 9/11 was an inside job.
That got me labeled a hater by one of yours.
But you people are not haters, are you? You are just "passionate" about your views.
Pass the collection plate, and the lovingkindness. Have yet to see it.
Please, Please...Preach on! Don't get mad if someone doesn't say the things you like to hear...also...Please, pretty please...tone it down. What do you know from a few short comments...about anyone...anyways? It is just a Forum Post on the Internet...one of millions...and packing a wide variety of BS. It is not personal...but folks who also love their families, work for a living, give to people who need help, listen to what their government is trying to say (both in words and by their actions), and really good law-abiding citizens, have opposite views from you. Whoops...there I said it.
I'm asking you to live up to your religion which you boast about as a way to have moral superiority over the rest of us.
So....do you love me?
You can't ask someone to do anything that you know nothing about...Silly.
And there you go again saying I was boasting about moral superiority...when I have done no such thing. Poor thing...you are so confused. Why not relax and take a deep breath. Go for a walk around the ol' neighborhood...Back away from the computer screen...I think your reasoning has become intertwined with Hubpage Forums...and that's pretty scary!
Yes...I do love all people...including you. Some less-Some More..Have a wonderful evening, Chris Lover
I actually know quite a bit about the New Testament...even read the Old one all the way through once.
But I don't claim it, because I can't do it.
I can't love people who hate me, and I can't pray for those who persecute me.
So, I don't call myself a Christian.
But you can ask me about it....I do know it very well.
Dear Love My Chris:
Perhaps My Point was not made clear. Why would I ask you about anything pertaining to the Bible? Why would I even care what you have read or learned in respect to giving me any kind of legitimate answer? No Christian is going to seek counsel or words of wisdom from a Non-Believer on matters of the Bible...to which the Non-Believer knows nothing about. (No matter how much they thing they do...they lack the thorough understanding of the heart!) Therefore: any scripture or attempt to reference from the Bible from a Non-Believer is first null and void. Only unless, they are trying very hard to understand it for themselves...would any consideration be made to the fact that "Now...this person is beginning to see the light!" You can study all you want-you just can't preach it till ya' have a basic understanding. No Christian will recieve your scripture reference made with lack of any understanding. That's a Believer Fact. (Period). Sorry to have to inform you if you thought otherwise.
Would you take a statement made about a piece of artwork from someone who had never painted art...or who had never tried hard to study the piece of art they are trying to critique?
Would you trust a skinny gourmet who had never tasted true Italian Pizza to tell you how to make a Pizza, when they themselves are doing one for the first time?
Would you listen to an angler tell you where the fish are biting, when you can look inside his boat...and see he hasn't caught a darn thing all day?
Completely clear...you are better than me and have no use for me or my opinions.
But,love thy neighbor as thyself.
O I get you loud and clear man.
Like I said--you can ALWAYS tell the right-wing Christians!
I have always been offended when people burn effigies of our presidents, be they Bush, Reagan, Clinton or Carter.
You 3 seem to take pleasure in the fact that Obama's likeness is being stomped on.
That offends me, as an American.
He can join the crowd like the rest of our Presidents had too. None are deserving of this...nor were we subject to the burning of our American flag...in our face...every night on TV. I thought this was the guy who was telling us how bad of an image we had across the Globe from before...seems ironic that things haven't changed one bit. And it doesn't matter what kind of Liberal spin anyone puts on it...there is an image of our current President ...stomped and heckled...just like all the others.
Which that act alone...is pretty sick and defiling. Especially night after night on the TV.
So LMC has a problem with images of Presidents being burned in effigy. I'm wondering if there was the same level of "outrage" when that guy threw a shoe at the real George W. Bush?
Israel, why so hated?
I think David Stewart explains things rather well. It is very well worth a read. I never hated Jews or Israel but I never really understood that they are still part of God's plan for mankind either. Their place in this world is a very difficult and dangerous one and all for the sake of salvation offered to every man and woman for all generations through Jesus Christ. It is worth trying to understand. I hope you who are not interested in reading this will read the article anyway and that it will make sense to you.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer … _hated.htm
Then again...maybe it's this:
"We must expel Arabs and take their places."
-- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.
"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."
-- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
"There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"
-- Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122.
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99.
"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.
"If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel."
-- David Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth's Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation).
David Ben Gurion
Prime Minister of Israel
1949 - 1954,
1955 - 1963
"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist."
-- Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.
"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to."
-- Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.
"Any one who speaks in favor of bringing the Arab refugees back must also say how he expects to take the responsibility for it, if he is interested in the state of Israel. It is better that things are stated clearly and plainly: We shall not let this happen."
-- Golda Meir, 1961, in a speech to the Knesset, reported in Ner, October 1961
"This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy."
-- Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971
Prime Minister of Israel
1969 - 1974
"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!"
-- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.
"[Israel will] create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat."
-- Yitzhak Rabin (a "Prince of Peace" by Clinton's standards), explaining his method of ethnically cleansing the occupied land without stirring a world outcry. (Quoted in David Shipler in the New York Times, 04/04/1983 citing Meir Cohen's remarks to the Knesset's foreign affairs and defense committee on March 16.)
Prime Minister of Israel
1974 - 1977,
1992 - 1995
"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982.
"The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever."
-- Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine.
Prime Minister of Israel
1977 - 1983
"The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the River Jordan for future generations, for the mass aliya (=Jewish immigration), and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country."
-- Former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir declares at a Tel Aviv memorial service for former Likud leaders, November 1990. Jerusalem Domestic Radio Service.
"The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It's that simple."
-- Yitzhak Shamir, Maariv, 02/21/1997.
"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
Prime Minister of Israel
1983 - 1984,
1986 - 1992
"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.
Prime Minister of Israel
1996 - 1999
"The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more"....
-- Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000
"If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more force...."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, quoted in Associated Press, November 16, 2000.
"I would have joined a terrorist organization."
-- Ehud Barak's response to Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Ha'aretz newspaper, when Barak was asked what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian.
Prime Minister of Israel
1999 - 2001
"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.
"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.
"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online
Prime Minister of Israel
2001 - 2006
poor obama...unfortunately extremist in usa think obama is pro muslim while muslim extremist in other parts of world think he is anti muslim...when would we humans move above superficial levels of muslims or Christians and be humans alone?
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