Views on Illegal Immagration in the U.S

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   DirtyBarack16posted 12 years ago

   What do you think

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      ChristianReccaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      This is an issue that Congress should act on, that's for sure. The fact that they don't is just more proof of how broken the system is. The left will give the right the border security it wants, but the right just won't let undocumented people have the right to become citizens eventually. The right is unfair, the left is made of softies, so pick your poison. I just want someone to do something about it. What do you think?

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         Nick Lucasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         If you want to be in this country then you apply through the normal process for a work VISA. No other country allows illegal immigrants like we do.  We need to deport them when we find them and tell them to take a number and apply not simply just cut the fence and sign up for government assistance.  I cant believe we have an argument in this country over what to do about illegal immigrants……notice the word illegal.

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            wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Sorry Nick, they are not illegal immigrants (and certainly not "undocumented people"). 
            
            Immigrations requires certain actions to be taken by the immigrant, which they won't do.  They are illegal aliens.  Not citizens, not immigrants; aliens.
            
            You're right, though - kick them back where they came from, or at least to the associated embassy and shut down any business that continues to hire them.

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               Nick Lucasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Thank you!!

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      kerrygposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I think it should be much easier to get temporary work visas. I'm opposed to illegal immigration in principle, but being married to an immigrant myself, I'm all too aware of how expensive and time-consuming it is to get a visa. In order to bring people over legally, we spend many hours in preparation, hundreds or thousands of dollars in fees, and months or even years waiting for a response. And that's just for a temporary visa. Green cards are even harder and more expensive to come by:
      
      
      
      The paperwork and fees are difficult enough for an educated, well-to-do family like my husband's, with a native English speaker (me) helping them decipher the legalese. If you have little education, no money, and poor English skills, you don't have a chance. With no other options, I can't blame desperate people for taking the chance and coming here illegally, and I don't think punishing them is the answer. Punish the people who hire them, if you want to punish somebody, but making it easier for desperate people to get temporary visas would do much more to solve the problem.

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         DirtyBarack16posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Very Nice Opinions! I agree with them all

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         American Viewposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I have obviously never needed to apply for one. But I do find it odd there was so much trouble. I know 5 families, 2 from Canada, 3 from Mexico, and my sister in law from Peru. They all applied and received their work visas or green cards without any trouble or runarounds. It seemed they received their cards fairly quickly, Not to say there are not problems.

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      IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      We are a land of immigrants is what I think.

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         DirtyBarack16posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Ya Legal Immigrants, i don't believe illegals have a right to be in the U.S

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         Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Illegal immigrants at that.  The Europeans weren't exactly invited.

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            IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Agreed!!!
            
            Great point.  Kudos.

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            Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Can't really break a law that didn't exist.

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               Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Right you are.  If they ain't white laws they ain't really laws.  I like the cut of your jib mister.

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                  Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm glad you are here to translate I was certain I said something completely different.

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                     Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     You insinuated that because they were Indian and Mexican laws, they weren't really laws.  I just cut to the chase for you.

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                        Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        No you just wrote what you wanted, There were No=Zero=Zilch=Nada laws when the Europeans came. So your strange reaction to that fact leaves me bewildered.

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                           Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           That's gonna come as news to the Cherokee, Iroquois, and Mexicans...

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                              Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              It shouldn't, I bet they are aware they had no immigration laws.

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                                 Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 You're probably right.  They simply left their lands happily and skipped on down the trail of twinkies so famously referenced in the history books.
                                 
                                 Those pesky Mexicans on the other hand put up some resistance.

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                                    Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    Put up a fight, yeah about 5000 of them kicked the crap out of 180, then later got their asses handed to them. But they make great food.

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                                    Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    Sure wish you would provide some proof of the existence of immigration laws created by the Cherokee, Iroquois, and Mexicans. I mean you are the resident history buff.

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                                       American Viewposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                       Some kind of buff anyway

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                                          Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                          I pointed out a simple fact that one cannot break a law that doesn't exist and he pulled out the large caliber racist gun. I think his comment was if it ain't white it ain't right. Its hard to take people like that too serious.

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                  IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Ron is on fire tonight. That cracked me up.

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                     Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     It's like playing T-ball.  Fun for a minute, then it's too damned easy to be entertaining.

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                        IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        

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                           Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           Thank you! Good night!

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                     American Viewposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     He does have a few moments

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               DirtyBarack16posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               if you enjoy voicing your opinion, Become a follower and enter some of my future discussions and topics....

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                  Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Sorry, but thanks for the offer.

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                     DirtyBarack16posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     No Prob, Thanks for being a patriot and having your opinion heard

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      Eaglekiwiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      They must speak and comprehend English well
      
      (Check your spelling of Immigration)

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   Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years ago

   I think you should know how to spell immigration before becoming a citizen of the U. S. of f***ing A.

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      DirtyBarack16posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Thats not my point, I mean our for-fathers fought for this land and for illegals to come over and use Americans hard earned Tax dollars is wrong.

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         DirtyBarack16posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         And SPEAK English!

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            Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            And spell those English words correctly, and learn some basic rules of grammar.  Damned illegals perverting our native language!!

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               DirtyBarack16posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               LOL I agree

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                  American Viewposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  No comprenda the englesa

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         Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Who did they fight?

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            DirtyBarack16posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            The British, for freedom. and on the glorious July day in the year 1776 we gained our independence which further established goverment

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               Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               The Brits were already here when we landed?  We stole the Southwestern U.S. from the Brits?  Man...History is so F***ing cool!

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                  DirtyBarack16posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Not sure if the Southwestern U.S Was british, but i do know we fought for our independence from the British and the King.

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                     Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     You're not sure if the Southwestern U.S. was British?  Damn! I wish there was some way of finding out.  That's a real head-scratcher.

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                        DirtyBarack16posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        I think they were english but had different views from the other half. I tried google but soooo much reading, i will look into it more.

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                           Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           No no, I think you've got it about right.  Have you ever seen the "Jay Walking" segment on the Leno show?

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                              DirtyBarack16posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              Ya i seen that episode, thats right!

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                           kerrygposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           We took the US Southwest from the Spanish and Mexicans, not the British. Contrary to what Repairguy47 suggests, the Mexican government DID have anti-immigration laws starting in 1830, and US citizens violating them is what ultimately caused the Mexican-American War.
                           
                           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Texas
                           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican-American_War
                           
                           Get reading.
                           
                           By the way, US immigrants have to pass a US history and government test before they can become citizens. If you and Repairguy are any basis to judge, maybe we should implement the same for native-born citizens before they're allowed to vote!

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                              Uninvited Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              But it's soooo much to read...

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                                 kerrygposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 Reading, ewwwwww...
                                 
                                 *facepalm*
                                 
                                 WTF is this country coming to? I know I'm a history geek and therefore biased, but I'm sorry, I don't see how anyone can call themselves a patriot if they don't even know the most basic facts about US history. My 14 year old nephew's school is full of "rah rah America" types who give him a lot of grief about being an immigrant, but he's one of the only ones who can even find the US on an unlabelled map. It's f****** infuriating.

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                              Sourpussposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              Well, it's not an American flag flying on that avatar either...How patriotic to America is that?
                              And with the name dirtybarak, that says a lot too.....
                              
                              And, "using Americans hard earned Tax dollars "...quite ironic.

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                                 Eaglekiwiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 Its probably just to wind all of you Americans up
                                 
                                 DON'T give him the last laugh.
                                 
                                 Lobby your congressman,I did, and I'm a Kiwi

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         mikelongposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         They aren't using tax dollars...they are paying taxes...
         
         They are propping up Social Security and Medicare...
         
         Americans fail to remember (or weren't typically taught) that illegal immigration into Mexico was directly sponsored by the American government..an illegal, unjustified war against Mexico then forcibly took what was being illegally squatted upon...
         
         As for the Lackluster Lady....she doesn't realize the volumes she is giving of her own lack of personal character, morality, or cognizance of the issues she seeks to discuss...
         
         She never fails to wade in way over her head...

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   Repairguy47posted 12 years ago

   I guess Ron went to practice T-ball.

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   SomewayOuttaHereposted 12 years ago

   okay...i gotta confess.....
   
   i was an illegal alien in the US in the first week of August....
   
   yup....flew into California illegally - expired passport....and no one noticed - when i finally noticed a week later, i thought shite! and then laughed - well all they can do is kick me out when i'm ready to go home!  the ticket agent at SanFran airport finally noticed and flagged me...airport ticket agents discussed what to do with me - they reviewed legislation - glad they didn't call security and put me in cuffs....hahahahaha....Canada let me back in...true story!
   
   ...i'll be back!..but first i must renew my passport - not sure if i can pull it off again
   
   i was sure i renewed my passport 2 years ago - time flies

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      Uninvited Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      It's okay...Canadian illegal immigrants don't count

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         SomewayOuttaHereposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         ....i forgot to add - they xrayed me twice - not once, but twice...just in case I guess ....those xray machines are a weird experience  - hands over your head and feet spread apart - felt like i was being arrested - not that i've ever been arrested....

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            American Viewposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Maybe you had something they liked seeing

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   lady_love158posted 12 years ago

   I have a solution to the Mexican immigrstion problem, conquer their country and make it a state. We'll take their resources and we have plenty of cheap labor available and plenty of water front real estate to develop and sell. It would really kick start our economy!

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   JulieKleinXpressposted 12 years ago

   I live 7 miles from the Mexican border. We deal with this issue constantly.  School buses actually pick up Mexican children at the border for them to attend our schools!
   
   Most people reading this forum likely had ancestors enter the United States legally.  All my grandparents did. It was very difficult for them, and they traveled for weeks by ship, many of them ill. Women traveling with their children.  How brave they were!  But they wanted to go to America & be Americans.
   
   I have absolutely no problem with anyone from any country (who isn't a criminal) coming to the USA legally.  I know it may take a long time to get all the documents.  It did for my grandparents as well. 
   
   If it was good enough for our ancestors, it should be good enough for anyone coming from any other country today. 
   
   Unfortunately, I have no idea whatsoever how to stop the flow at this point.

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      Eaglekiwiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Ya gotta wonder what deals they (Politicians) do behind closed doors.

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   Evan G Rogersposted 12 years ago

   Illegal immigration is a BS term. Just because you were born 4 inches south of someone else doesn't mean that they don't also have the same rights that you do to pursue happiness.
   
   End then nonsense, let all people go where they wish.

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      DirtyBarack16posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Well why dont we just let you continue to pay $338.3 billion dollars a year, that they take advantage of our taxes.

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      Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Sure they have all the rights to pursue happiness, they just don't have the right to do it in a country where they do not hold citizenship.

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   krystallieposted 12 years ago

   Anything boasting the term 'illegal' is probably not a good idea. I don't agree with all the laws, but I sure as hell do my best to abide by them and illegal immigration is no exception.

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