Talks To Pay Illegal Imigrants $450.000 If Seperated At The Boarder

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  1. Sharlee01 profile image83
    Sharlee01posted 13 months ago

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    The Biden White House is in settlement talks to pay up to over a million dollars a family. Once again it would seem this kind of decision-making is very non - sensical.  So, hard to keep up with all the topsy turvy decision-making that comes out of the new administration.

    Oct 29, 2021
    Republicans demand answers from Biden Cabinet on reported payments to illegal immigrants: 'Horrific decision' Republicans demand answers from Mayorkas, Garland, and Becerra.

    "FIRST ON FOX: Dozens of House Republicans are sending a letter to three of President Biden’s Cabinet secretaries regarding reports that their agencies are in talks to give illegal immigrants separated at the border under the previous administration $450,000 each.

    The Republicans are demanding answers from Department of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra, and Attorney General Merrick Garland.

    Forty-five House Republicans, including House Minority Whip Steve Scalise of Louisiana, GOP Caucus Chair Rep. Elise Stefanik of New York and Texas Rep. Dan Crenshaw, have signed onto the letter, which is led by North Carolina Rep. Greg Murphy.

    In the letter, the Republicans outline their "severe concerns" over reports that the agencies are considering paying $450,000 to illegal immigrants separated at the border under the Trump administration.

    "The rationale for this egregious abuse of taxpayer dollars is to compensate these persons for ‘lasting psychological trauma,’" the lawmakers wrote in the letter obtained by Fox News. "Do, however, note that these persons crossed into our country in a knowingly illegal manner, fully aware of the consequences of violating our rule of law."

    "Promising tens of thousands of dollars to those who unlawfully entered the United States would not only reward criminal behavior, but it would surely send a message to the world that our borders are open and our rule of law will not be enforced," the letter also reads.

    The lawmakers charged that the Biden administration "has been incentivizing illegal immigration since its first day in office" when he struck several Trump-era border policies, which the lawmakers wrote has led to "the worst self-inflicted border crisis in history."

    Murphy and his colleagues also warned that if the Biden administration decides to pay the hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxpayer money to "thousands of illegal immigrants," the administration "will unilaterally incentivize migrants from more than 150 nations across the world to surge our border."

    So, all I will ask for are straight-up thoughts, what is your opinion on this latest free free free give away from this New Administration.

    1. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      *shrug*  What else should we expect from Biden?  His goal is to bring in as many "immigrants" into the country for us to support as he can.  He has done virtually everything he can think of to encourage illegal border crossings as well as legal immigration - should we expect anything different than paying illegals to come in?

      1. Sharlee01 profile image83
        Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

        In this case, just knowing how far the American dollar goes in other countries such as Mexico, they will just take their cash and go home, and by the way, live very well. Living in Mexico is very economical. So, if some walk away with cash, I don't think they will stick around to vote. They will head for the fun side of the border.  Take my word I do every winter.  I do think many that had not filed a lawsuit, and abandoned their kids when separated, just never came back to find them --- will soon be filing lawsuits. I think the separation of families involved about 5,000. Most were reunited, when Trump left office there were about 500 still where parents could not be found. So, we will see more lawsuits popping up
        I am sure.

        Does it not bother you that the Government is spending so much on immigration when we actually have so many Americans in need?  It really bothers me.  Have we become too complacent, could this be why we see BS like this happening right before our eyes?

        1. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Illegal border crossings have been a fiasco for decades, with the only Americans actually benefitting being the employers.  For decades we have made it clear that we don't truly care; that enforcement of our laws was only a sham.

          This simply enforces that; our laws against illegal aliens in the country mean next to nothing.  Biden has even shut down enforcement within the country itself, as if laws passed by Congress mean nothing but a small stumbling block in the way of liberal goals.  Perhaps that's right.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image83
            Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            All we can hope for is that this administration wakes up and realizes it has shot itself in both feet. I really hate to think of what's to come. I am with Ken ---"If we have a legal system that will reward illegals for committing the crime of crossing the border and being detained, its time to sell off our assets and make a move out of this country "

        2. Ken Burgess profile image84
          Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Its very understandable when one reads the Compact on Migration.

          https://refugeesmigrants.un.org/migration-compact#

          https://ijrcenter.org/thematic-research … ts-rights/

          Among other such directives from the UN and similar International Agencies, the top priority is the migrants, NOT the citizens of whatever nation they are fleeing to.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image83
            Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Thanks for the links... It is clear that migrant every need has been addressed, and it is clear there is nothing about assimilating to the customs of a country they choose to migrate to.

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image76
              Kathryn L Hillposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Doesn't it seem like war? against us, the people of these United States from within ...  and without in some manner. Doesn't it seem like we are under attack

              ... by our very own SO KIND Joe?

              1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Yes, I can see why you feel we are at war. We seem to be at odds on many different fronts. In my view, we are now under attack by Government overreach; attempts to diminish our rights; attempts to shut us up with threats from the DOJ, and FBI;  attempts to overrun our local Governments with immigrants usurping and diminishing funds from our Federal and State level funds; Making ever attempt to change our traditions, and cancel out our American values. I could go on and on---

                So yes, we are for all purposes it does feel like we have many battles going on all over the place at this point.

                We need to keep good hope...

                1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                  Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Article Oct 31, 2021 --- Gold Star father blasts Biden's reported migrant payments as 'completely disrespectful' to military families ---  "A Gold Star father is speaking out against the Biden administration after a report surfaced suggesting the White House is considering awarding $450,000 to separated migrants through taxpayer funds, an amount which could surpass the amount given to some Gold Star families.

                  David Horton, who lost his son Christopher in Afghanistan, joined "Fox & Friends" on Sunday to discuss the report, calling it "an outrage" and "completely disrespectful" to military families. "

                  "I think it's another - yet another insult… against our military families and Gold Star families and veterans," Horton explained. "It's just another slap in the face… It's completely disrespectful."

                  The families of those lost in the line of duty receive a one-time payment of $100,000. Service members do have the option of opting into a voluntary life insurance policy which maxes out at $400,000, but they do have to contribute to it.

                  "They've broken the law coming in on our borders and didn't compare that with someone, a patriot like my son, who gave his all on the battlefield of Afghanistan," Horton explained. "

                  Perhaps Gold Star Families need to lawyer up? I mean they are American citizens and are very deserving to be heard, and further compensation for their emotional distress over losing a loved one that was defending America.   https://www.foxnews.com/media/gold-star … -families.

                  The report has not yet been confirmed, but if true, the total cost of the expenditure could amount to around $1 billion.  No statements as of yet from the White House.

                  What is wrong with this picture? Does it seem to be another case of poor problem-solving? Or one could say Half ass-backward...

                  1. wilderness profile image95
                    wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    My news channel last night indicated this idea has been dropped.  Perhaps it will stay that way, though I wouldn't count on it.

                  2. Ken Burgess profile image84
                    Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    The United Nations, before the pandemic, spoke of the New World Order in the context of a green revolution and the dismantling of old industrialized nations in favor of empowering the third world; they created the Compact on Migration where Migrants now have more rights to protection and support than citizens of the host country they are invading.

                    Most of the propaganda coming out of the United Nations these days talks about sustainability, climate goals, and Covid as a singular item, a post pandemic world with only one solution... world socialism disguised as environmentalism.

                    Build Back Better, The Great Reset, The New Normal, The New World Order, Net Zero, the Fourth Industrial Revolution, Social Justice, Social Media Censorship (Banning) are all pieces of the same puzzle. On their own, they appear either innocuous or ridiculous, but when placed together in the context of multi-trillion dollar corporate interests these ideas spell disaster for America's citizens.

                    America is no longer run by politicians that answer to the people...and if you feel the need to voice your disfavor for the direction the DC Cabal (aka our federal government) is taking the country be prepared to be labeled and banned.

                    There is no "poor problem-solving" going on here, it is all by design.

    2. Sharlee01 profile image83
      Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

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      So what's the truth?
      Biden labels report government to pay separated immigrants $450,000 'garbage' ... He further said  "those payments are 'not gonna happen"

      "President Biden responded Wednesday to a report that suggested his administration was mulling whether to make $450,000 payments to immigrants who were separated from their families at the border under former President Trump's administration, calling the reporting "garbage" and saying that it is "not gonna happen."

      Following remarks at the White House where he urged parents to get their children vaccinated, Biden was asked by Fox News White House Correspondent Peter Doocy about the Wall Street Journal's report and whether he believes it "might incentivize" immigrants to attempt to enter America illegally. Biden responded, "If you guys keep sending that garbage out, yeah, but it's not true."
      "So this is a garbage report," Doocy asked?

      "Yeah, $450,000 per person, is that what you said? That's not gonna happen," Biden

      The original report from the Journal said that the payments would be issued "to resolve lawsuits filed on behalf of parents and children who say the government subjected them to lasting psychological trauma."

      The Journal stated the Departments of Justice, Homeland Security, and Health and Human Services are "considering payments that could amount to close to $1 million a family," though final payment amounts could change as some "families would likely get smaller payouts, depending on their circumstances."

      An immediate statement was offered from the ACLU
      Nov 3, 2021 --  ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero suggested Biden might be out of the loop. "President Biden may not have been fully briefed about the actions of his very own Justice Department as it carefully deliberated and considered the crimes committed against thousands of families separated from their children as an intentional governmental policy," he said. "But if he follows through on what he said, the president is abandoning a core campaign promise to do justice for the thousands of separated families., Romero said. "We call on President Biden to right the wrongs of this national tragedy."

      So, once again it is obvious Biden just lied...  Or he is not being briefed on what is going on in his administration Or he just forgot...

  2. GA Anderson profile image90
    GA Andersonposted 13 months ago

    Imagine the drama as this unfolds and we learn whose idea this was and whether it is an effort to avoid a legal defeat.

    GA

    1. Sharlee01 profile image83
      Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      It will be interesting. I can't find when these lawsuits were filed or by who. I would think more will come out as the media get on the story.

    2. Ken Burgess profile image84
      Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      If we have a legal system that will reward illegals for committing the crime of crossing the border and being detained, its time to sell off our assets and make a move out of this country ASAP before the bottom falls out and we become the next Venezuela.

  3. Live to Learn profile image60
    Live to Learnposted 13 months ago

    We’ve seen the left redefine words in recent years. I think, moving forward, we should make the words ‘Biden administration’ and ‘complete insanity’ synonymous.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image83
      Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      I agree -- can't even keep up with all the untoward actions, and policies this bunch is pulling on a daily basis. It's  -- Hey look over there, nothing to see here"...

  4. Valeant profile image88
    Valeantposted 13 months ago

    I just love reading the Fox News section of Hubpages.  Especially when they leave out crucial details pertaining to the issues.



    WASHINGTON (March 31, 2020)—On Monday, a federal court in Arizona allowed five asylum-seeking mothers and their children who were torn apart under the Trump administration’s family separation policy to move forward with a lawsuit against the United States for the cruel treatment and anguish U.S. immigration agencies inflicted on them. The court denied the government’s motion to dismiss the case.

    The lawsuit, filed in September 2019 by five parents and their children, claims that the U.S. government intentionally subjected them to extraordinary trauma that will have lifelong implications. The families taking part in the lawsuit are represented by Arnold & Porter; Kairys, Rudovsky, Messing, Feinberg & Lin; the American Immigration Council; and the National Immigrant Justice Center.

    Each plaintiff seeks compensatory damages from the government for its intentional infliction of emotional distress and negligence as a result of the administration’s intentional policy to separate migrant families upon entering the United States—a policy that senior government officials have confirmed was designed to deter migrants from seeking refuge in the United States.

    In the complaint, the mothers described the harrowing circumstances in which immigration officers forcefully separated their children from them. They received no information as to where the government sent their children (most of whom were sent to shelters across the country in New York) and were provided minimal information on their whereabouts for much of their separation, which lasted months in all cases. The mothers were left in agony, believing they would never see their children again.

    “We are pleased that the court rejected the government’s arguments that the law does not provide a remedy to our clients who suffered under the government’s family separation policy,” said Diana Reiter, an attorney with Arnold & Porter. “We look forward to continuing this lawsuit and seeking redress for our clients.”

    “In rejecting the government’s attempt to quash this case, the court recognized that the government was not—as it claimed in its motion—enforcing any federal law when it separated these families,” said Trina Realmuto, directing attorney for the American Immigration Council. “The court’s ruling gives these families a chance to hold the government accountable for the horrific impact caused by its ill-conceived family separation policy.”

    “Because of the court’s ruling, we will now start the discovery process—taking testimony from witnesses about what happened at the border,” said Jonathan Feinberg, an attorney with Kairys, Rudovsky, Messing, Feinberg & Lin. “Government officials are going to have to answer pointed questions about why they set out to deter immigration by harming parents and children.”

    “We are grateful that the court recognized that these mothers and children deserve the opportunity to seek justice for the severe trauma they suffered—and continue to suffer—as a result of the Trump administration’s ‘zero-tolerance’ family separation policy,” said Kate Melloy Goettel, associate director of litigation at the National Immigrant Justice Center. “We believe that once the court hears their stories and reviews the evidence, justice will prevail and find that these families have a right to compensatory damages that will help them access resources they need to heal.”

    The U.S. government has admitted to separating at least 4,300 children from their parents or guardians after they crossed the southwestern U.S. border. Reports indicate that the government continues to separate immigrant families entering the United States.


    Now, how much do you think a US jury is going to pay when it comes to the psychological damage that the Trump administration caused to all 4,300 kids?  Right now, there are 900 claims that have been filed.  Perhaps people are noting that that amount could be more than the settlement offer.  Just the latest example of Biden having to clean up one of the messes left by the Trump Administration's disastrous policies.

    https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/new … art-family

    If you are looking at a tab that horrific immigration policies can have, just look up Joe Arpaio.  And that tab was for mistreatment of adults.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image83
      Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      The Biden administration is conducting settlement talks involving several law firms. The American Civil Liberties Union is representing parents in the San Diego case.     

      "by: Associated Press

      Posted: Oct 29, 2021 / 05:49 AM PDT / Updated: Oct 29, 2021 / 05:49 AM PDT
      In this June 17, 2018, file photo provided by U.S. Customs and Border Protection, people who've been taken into custody related to cases of illegal entry into the United States, sit in one of the cages at a facility in McAllen, Texas. (U.S. Customs and Border Protection's Rio Grande Valley Sector via AP, File)
      In this June 17, 2018, file photo provided by U.S. Customs and Border Protection, people who’ve been taken into custody related to cases of illegal entry into the United States, sit in one of the cages at a facility in McAllen, Texas. (U.S. Customs and Border Protection’s Rio Grande Valley Sector via AP, File)

      The U.S. Justice Department is in talks to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to each child and parent who was separated under a Trump-era practice of splitting families at the border, a person familiar with discussions to settle lawsuits said Thursday.

      The Wall Street Journal first reported that the government was considering payments around $450,000 to each person affected. A person familiar with the talks told The Associated Press that figure was under consideration but changed, though not dramatically. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the discussions are private.

      The discussions continue, and there is no guarantee the two sides will strike agreement.

      About 5,500 children were split from their parents under President Donald Trump’s “zero tolerance” policy, under which parents were separated from their children to face criminal prosecution for crossing the border illegally, according to court filings in a federal case in San Diego. Inadequate tracking systems caused many to be apart for an extended time. The payments are intended to compensate for the psychological trauma.

      Attorneys for the families are also seeking permanent legal status in the United States for those separated under the practice, which a judge halted in June 2018, six days after Trump stopped it amid an international backlash.

      The Justice Department did not immediately respond to a request for comment Thursday night.

      The settlement talks involve several law firms. The American Civil Liberties Union is representing parents in the San Diego case." https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/biden … at-border/

      Yes, it will be up to the new administration to respect the court rules or a settlement agreement in the San Deigo case.  The responsibility of the current DOJ will be responsible for where this case goes. Under Trump, they were unwilling to settle and were leaving it thus far in the hands of the court. There were no settlement talks under Trump. We can not know how this case would have concluded. I can imagine not rewarding immigrants with cash.

  5. Kathryn L Hill profile image76
    Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months ago

    Five Mothers and their children were torn apart by the U.S. immigration agencies while seeking asylum. So, they decided to sue the US Government.
    The Government said, "Nope, not going to let the mothers sue us.

    But "the Supreme Court" said, "Oh, yes you are!" 


    Well, these mothers took it upon themselves. They broke the law.
    The policy, in fact, was designed to deter migrants from seeking refuge in the United States.

    Good grief! roll

    This is a no-brainer for any fair judge.
    (A judge with an agenda, not so much.)

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image76
      Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      I win.

 
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