Would you make the ultimate sacrifice for your country?

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    Nick Lucasposted 12 years ago

    Would you make the ultimate sacrifice for your country? Why or why not? Do you place more importance on what is good for yourself or for what is good for others and the United States?

    1. manlypoetryman profile image80
      manlypoetrymanposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Seeing as how I have witnessed one brave young man do it...I would. If it came down to the point that citizens were Defending America...I would! (They don't take older guys like myself in the Military...I already tried to volunteer.)

    2. couturepopcafe profile image59
      couturepopcafeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      If you mean would I lay down my life for another or myself if this country were being attacked, yes.  If you mean going to defend another country, no.  I understand that another country is comprised of people just like this one and I honor and bow to those who stand on the wall to defend those who cannot defend themselves.  I just don't have that in me.  Bless those who do.

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        Nick Lucasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        thank you both for your honest and respectable answers.....I myself would and have put myself close or near to death defending others and the greater cause of good verse evil to put it one way......I learned you never know what you will do or how far you will go until you are tested.......I hope and Pray others are not tested as I was many times.....

    3. Jeff Berndt profile image75
      Jeff Berndtposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      If the US were invaded? Absolutely. If we faced a real honest-to-goodness existential threat from an aggressive expansionist foreign power, yes.

      But to pre-emptively invade and conquer another sovereign nation that is neither intending to nor capable of attacking the US? Heck no.

      I'd give my life to defend the USA. Though I'd do my very best to ensure that I could both defend the USA and not die while doing so. Like Gen. Patton said, you don't win by dying for your country but by making the other guy die for his.

      But again, all of this is kind of moot. We haven't been invaded and we don't face an existential threat from an aggressive expansionist foreign power. We'll find out what I'd really do when that happens. I hope I'm right about me.

    4. Cagsil profile image73
      Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I battle everyday already to ensure America continues on. Would I lay my life on the line? Yep! Without a doubt!

      Would I do it for strangers? Yep! Without a doubt! wink

    5. couturepopcafe profile image59
      couturepopcafeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I think a lot of people like to talk about game.  We can all talk but it's the ones who have the courage to fight who give us the freedom to talk.  If anyone thinks for a minute that Taliban, et al would have hesitated for a moment after 9/11 had they not been dealt with swiftly, you are misguided. 

      It's likely that Congress has always had some corruption but technology has afforded the public the opportunity to listen in, so to speak, in recent history.  If I were going to fight to defend this soil, it would be as a street fighter, not at the behest of the Congress or Commander in Chief.  But I don't think the poster intended this to be a political argument.

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      klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I did make the ultimate sacrifice, not once but twice!! I bought a Chrysler Sebring and a Chevy Malibu!

  2. paradigmsearch profile image59
    paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago

    "Would you make the ultimate sacrifice for your country?"

    In a heartbeat.

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      Nick Lucasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      awesome!! You are a true Patriot!

      1. paradigmsearch profile image59
        paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Well..., maybe. I just believe in defending that which is of benefit to myself, society, and our species in general.

  3. lovemychris profile image75
    lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

    Mitt Romney wouldn't, and neither would his 5 sons. He said, and I quote: "They are serving their country by helping to get me elected."

    Arrogant much???

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      Nick Lucasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      unreal......I am not a fan of Romney......He seems like a fake

  4. IntimatEvolution profile image69
    IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years ago

    This is a tough question.  I don't think I could with the congress we have today in power.  They are so corrupt.

    1. Repairguy47 profile image60
      Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      You don't fight for Congress. And to answer the question Yes I would. Even with the current buffoon as Commander in Chief.

      1. IntimatEvolution profile image69
        IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I completely disagree.  We do fight for Congress.  it is our governing body.  It is what makes our Republic operational.  It is part of a governing body that is suppose to protect our freedoms.  But what American freedoms were protected with the passing of the patriot act?  (for instance)

        Yes they are just a part of our nation.  But they are a very important aspect that should not be ignored.

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          Nick Lucasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          what part was protected with the passing of the health care act that forces people to buy a product?  none which is why the latest decision was that it is unconstitutional

        2. Repairguy47 profile image60
          Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

          You can disagree all day, I took an oath to defend the Constitution and to obey those officers over me. When I was in the military Congress never even came up on my radar.

        3. couturepopcafe profile image59
          couturepopcafeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Intimate - If I suspected my child or his friends of smoking dope, I would find it necessary to invade his privacy by searching his personal belongings. 

          If the government suspects certain individuals of having ties to terrorism, their phone conversations should be tapped.  I have no problem with that.  I did not lose any of my freedoms.  My freedom was, in fact, preserved.

          1. Cagsil profile image73
            Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            There's a difference between suspecting and having evidence/proof. One violates the individual rights(the former) and one doesn't(the latter).

      2. lovemychris profile image75
        lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I would say a soldier who calls his commander in chief a buffoon should not be wanted in the military.

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          Nick Lucasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I would say a socialist like you should be deported haha

        2. American View profile image60
          American Viewposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          One can call his Commander a buffoon, but still respect the office. The constitution is what people would be defending, America, her Honor, her Glory, your fellow man, and more.  Having served as a first responder and was willing to give my life for my fellow man, continuing by laying down my life on the alter of freedom is a no brainer

          1. lovemychris profile image75
            lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Then why was I called un-American for questioning Bush?

            1. IntimatEvolution profile image69
              IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              I think a lot of people are called un-American for all the wrong reasons.  You would have to ask the person who called you that that name, I would guess.

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    Emile Rposted 12 years ago

    I believe I would give my life in defense of my country, were the situation to arise. But, I don't support terrorizing other countries and calling it our fight for freedom. It isn't.

  6. FitnezzJim profile image77
    FitnezzJimposted 12 years ago

    I tend to RepairGuys view on who our Service would fight for.
    As son of a Navy man, and grandson to a lifetime civil servant, I was raised to several facts :  1) all government employees swear an oath to uphold the Constitution, 2) all Service personnel are expected to follow orders of their chain-of-command, with the President of the U.S being the Commander in Chief, and 3) only select Secret Service personnel swore an oath to protect the President.
    When I was a child, the possibility that the President might issue an order or call for an action or request a law that was in direct violation of the Constitution was unthinkable.
    That is what change does for you.
    And to answer the original question, "Would you make the ultimate sacrifice for your country?", I won't be able to answer that question until after the situation arises.

  7. Kathleen Cochran profile image77
    Kathleen Cochranposted 12 years ago

    As an Army wife for 20 years I can tell you that when you serve in the military, you sign up to serve your country no matter who is in Congress or the White House.  You keep your political opinions to yourself and stand your post. Thank God for the all volunteer force that has served through a decade of war.  Talk about heroes!  And their families too!

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      Nick Lucasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Amen to that!

    2. IntimatEvolution profile image69
      IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I have to be honest here, your response really ticked me off.  Why?  I personally felt patronized by your comment. It clearly was a rebuttal to my comment about not supporting Congress.

      Let me get a couple of things straight.  You need to realize that I have given all but 10 years of my life to the military.  You've been a wife a mere 20 years?  Congrats!  Kudos.  I'm 40.  My whole life up until 10 years ago, has been a reactive effect of being raised as a Marine Corp. military brat.  Who I am, the parent I am to my own child, the daughter I'm not any longer, my fears, my political views, everything has been influenced by that horrific war.  You've given 20 years, please, I gave my childhood.  I gave my teenage years, and I am still giving to that damn Marine Corp., and I wasn't given the luxury of choice, like you were given.  You chose to be a military wife.  I didn't choose that life.  I was born into it. Yes, I am bitter.

      I have been woken to knives at my throat, age 7.  I was choked at the age of 5 to the point of unconsciousness.  Thank god my mother was a nurse to revive me.  I have been tackled so hard that I literally got the pee knocked out of me, age 7.  I have been beaten to a bloody plump.  My head slammed into countertops.  Shaken, to the point of temporary blindness, my index finger slice off to the bone protecting myself (age 9), and I had had over 46 snitches in my head by the time I was 10. 10. So I know exactly what it is like living with a military man, and Bronze star recipient to boot.  So don't assume that people with opinions, don't know what it's like to be apart of the military.  That's one of the reasons why I felt patronized.  Understand?  And, the sick thing about all this people..., in Deerlodge, MT in the early 1970s they didn't have offices like the Department of Family/child services.  Kids like me, we were screwed.  Heck, my dad was a war hero.  No cop in my small town was going to arrest him on child abuse charges.  Are you kidding me?  That would be unpatriotic. They just didn't do that back then.  So when you were just getting into the military, I was already a veteran of the Marine corp family life, for 20 years by then.  And, never once did I receive a paycheck for my services.  At least you get money for yours.  But us kids- nothing.   

      "Stand your post."  Your comment, "Stand your post."  Have you ever had to do that?  Stand your post?  Oh my god, how many times I have been told to stand my post soldier. Funny thing is, I'm no soldier. Do you know how hard it is to stand your post at the age of 4, making sure that your nose never touched the wall, even though you were centimeters from it.  Age 4.  Stand your post.  They could take that post they're standing on, and shove it up their tush for all I cared at the age of 4.  And, that's one of my first memories as a kid.

      A man in my intimate family has served in every American conflict or war since the Great War, when my g.g.grandfather enlisted into the Army as a medic.  Served his time in France.  Came back mean.  Just like my grandfather.  Just like my dad.  Mean, I tell you- evil.  Pure evil.  Yeah, so I know a thing or two about standing your post.

      Now I do value the opportunities that our fore fathers set before us.  I think I have given enough to the military whether people like you assume so or not, and have earned my right to an opinion.  Despite whether or not it's a popular one.  Nobody has ever asked me if I was okay with the military stealing my father away.  Nobody ever asked me if I was okay not having a productive home life.  Personally, as a military brat I was thrilled when Nick Lucas asked this question on Patriotism.  But seriously, what would someone like me know about the military, with my talk about Congress and all, right?  Sure, I guess I could understand that.  Well, I was born on foreign soil in Spain, because my father was not allowed to return to the USA until 1973.  Why, he needed more deprogramming.  Now what's wrong with that picture?  Deprogramming?  You don't deprogram a Bronze star war veteran with two purple hearts to boot.  You don't.  Sorry, but it is impossible. And, the wow factor of this whole entire rant..., I am just one of thousands of children effected by the horrors of war. Millions even, I don't know.  But I remember in my kindergarten class, there were other kids like me.  Scared out of their wits, bruised both emotionally and physically.   

      Personally, I would not make a good soldier.  I have had enough American warfare to last a thousand years.  I am a lover, not a fighter and I would probably shoot my own damn foot off given the opportunity.  Guns freak me out.  Maybe having them pointed at my chest by my demented father had something to do with that, but, still I hate them.  With that said, I don't believe in this current government.  I don't trust their judgment.  It is not in the best interest of the people.  Maybe if soldiers like your husband, would get their heads out of the sand, and heed Thomas Jefferson's words..., the American people might have a fighting chance.  But no..., your husband, my father, no questions asked.  You said it best, "stand your post!", with an amen too even. 

      Well someone needs to start questioning them or our lives are seriously in trouble. Freedoms are no longer a commodity in America people.  Did your husband sign up for military run dictatorship?  Did he?  What is he fighting for?  Freedom?  Whose freedom, I ask you then?  Mine?  Yours?  Well he is not fighting for the freedoms of the American people.  If he was, they why isn't our American soldiers backing it's citizens and doing something about the chaos in Washington?  Banks are closing, retirement savings are gone, people can no longer have opinions without Big brother lurking in, food lines are up, children are dying because they have no health care, unemployment is out of control, and the housing market is in the crapper.  So you tell me, who is it again that our soldiers are fighting for?  Our freedom?  Freedom for what?  Over taxation perhaps?  No, no soldiers helping us out with that either.  The American people are alone, and our soldiers are far from home.  I find that troublesome.  Especially, when I read in this little forum thread that people think it is okay to treat American citizens as if they are all dope smoking children.  Well excuse me, I am no child.  I don't need my government coming into my home, taking me away for however long they like, without reason or a warrant.  No-sorry, I'm funny like that.  What is even scarier, is that was the exact same mentality used on American born citizens in the 1940s, when Americans with Japanese descendants were sent to AMERICAN concentration camps.  So, sue me if I ask questions, don't stand my post, and wouldn't lay down my life for a country, broken by the very people making all the decisions in Washington.

      I value every American life that has been lost, and so I vote in every election.  I play Taps on my trumpet every Memorial Day service, and I have volunteer at the VA Hospital in Columbia, MO in their "No Veteran Dies Alone" hospice foundation.  I proudly do that for the American soldiers.  But to die, because Congress has authorized another crazy police action mission against Muslim women and children, no.  I don't honestly think I could. If anything, my PTSD dad has taught me the value of life.

  8. Evan G Rogers profile image60
    Evan G Rogersposted 12 years ago

    Only if it were a defensive war and my country valued my freedom.

    AKA - not with this government.

  9. lovemychris profile image75
    lovemychrisposted 12 years ago
    1. Kathleen Cochran profile image77
      Kathleen Cochranposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      IntimatEvolution:  You absolutely misunderstood my intent.  After going through what you described, I completely sympathize with you.  This kind of thing happens much too often in military families just as it happens everywhere.  There is no excuse for it.  I only wish you the best in your life.  You've earned it as no child should ever have to.
      You don't sound bitter - you sound strong, which is amazing.


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