Wuld Obama Get Second Term?

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   pisean282311posted 11 years ago

   what are ur views for this guys?

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      Quilligrapherposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      In 2012, Americans will have to choose between the guys who created the worst economic meltdown in America since the Great Depression and the one guy who has devoted a major part of his first term working to clean up their mess. Has he finished the job yet? No.  Is the opposition-dominated congress working with the present administration to facilitate the creation of new jobs? No.  Has the opposition party tarnish the nation’s AAA+ credit rating by passing a budget in the spring and then bickering months later over raising the debt limit to finance it? Yes. “They fought in the summer over the federal debt limit, which Republicans refused to raise without offsetting deficit reduction measures,” the NY Times reported. (1)
      
      With national elections a year away, we look on helplessly as middle class citizens struggle to find a job and to pay their mortgages. The most wealthy among us continue to become more wealthy.  The foxes of big business have already raided the hen house and it has cost this nation trillions of dollars in handouts paid to those who needed them the least. Handouts so huge they overshadow all of the nation’s welfare programs for people.  The congress has committed $11 trillion dollars to Federal bailouts and stimulus for big business (2) and some freshman in congress are adamant about reducing Federal programs costing only $700 Billion (3) in 2011 to assist the country’s least wealthy Americans and retirees. The numbers reveal that the wealthiest among us have received the largest corporate welfare package in history and are complaining about income taxes and government assistance for the struggling masses. The average American can even get a job out of the deal. We look on helplessly as big business stuffs its pockets with taxpayer money and extraordinary payroll savings from sending jobs over seas while their advocates in Washington refuse to work with the Obama administration to facilitate new job creation. When times were rosy, Americans didn’t take much notice. But in these hard times, it is much easier to see who are the winners and who are losers within this economy.
      
      All Americans yearn for a bright and prosperous future even as they quibble over how to best achieve it.  It took eight years under the previous administration created this problem.  When the time comes, I think American voters will give this President eight years to clean it up.
      
      (1) (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference … index.html)
      (2) http://money.cnn.com/news/storysuppleme … uttracker/
      (3) http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/yea … 40#usgs302

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      quatrainposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Can't see it, even though I like him. He's had his turn. I'm specifically talking about the first 2 years, when Democrats controlled both Houses of Congress. Why didn't they pass a budget during thise 2 years? No excuse for it. Give someone else a chance, I'm thinking.

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   Ms Deeposted 11 years ago

   If you really mean this "guy" singular, in other words just Obama, I think he will not get a second term. That will be the case, unless a lot of laws are broken using massive deception and manipulation of the vote counting. It is looking like a clear majority of the public are now aware of Obama's inability, or unwillingness, to do what he promises in his public rhetoric.

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      Texasbetaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Major laws and massive deception and manipulation of the vote is already happening...but the conservatives are doing it. Are you not paying attention to all of the gerrymandering the conservatives have done over the last 2 years, and how they are all in legal cases right now?
      I think the "clear majority" you are claiming are merely the group around you in your life. The majority of the country, via the polls, are quite the opposite.

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         Repairguy47posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Gerrymandering? Do you mean that when a congress gets control they can manipulate voting districts? I'm still interested in what your vacuum is doing.

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            Texasbetaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Yep, that is exactly what I am talking about. The method in which we allow our districts to get drawn up is madness.

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               Repairguy47posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Its democracy, you just have to accept sometimes its the other guys turn.

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                  Texasbetaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Actually, that has nothing to do with democracy...not in the slightest bit. It is a method by which we draw up districts and that is it. Don't you have a dictionary? God look up what a democracy is. At its heart, it seems our disagreements are not ideological, but simply a lack of basic understanding on behalf of the right. Further, we are a democratic republic, not a democracy. We have never been a democracy. It is rhetoric to make simple people feel more empowered.

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   Mighty Momposted 11 years ago

   He will get a second term if there is noticeable improvement in the economy between now and election day.
   If things continue down in the dumps, people will continue to be angry and will lash out at the voting booth.
   As in 2008 when many Americans voted for "ABB" (Anyone but Bush) 2012 is shaping up for many Americans as "ABO" (Anyone but Obama).
   But thusfar, the GOP has yet to determine which of the several flawed candidates will go up against Obama.
   And there may or may not be a third-party candidate in the mix.
   
   In short, Obama COULD get another term.
   SHOULD Obama get another term?

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      Jed Fisherposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, why not. Re-elect O'Bama and see what he does when he's not worried about re-election. He made this bed, let him lie in it a little longer. Also, re-electing him would mean his cronies would be stuck in the trap of serving under him for another four years, keeping them from pursing their own goals. For example, our current Secretary of State would have to put off becoming the head of the World Bank just a little bit longer. Good for everybody, I think.

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         Mighty Momposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Our current Secretary of State has already announced she will not be doing a second term in this role.
         But she has known to be very cagey about her political plans...
         
         Obama's cronies can leave anytime to do whatever they wish.
         
         Did Obama make this bed, or did he get thrown on it/into it by a (im)perfect storm of
         a) Naivete/arrogance on his part +
         b) Economic forces, both global and domestic, beyond his control +
         c) A well funded political machine publicly committed to making him a one-term president by obstructing him at every turn

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            quatrainposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            The country is a lot harder to run that a Fortune 500 company. You simply can't do the job without adequate preparation. He had no grounding either in management or in politics. Obama is also uncomfortable with people. In this sense, he's the "un-Clinton". Those are pretty big handicaps to overcome even when the waters are smooth, let alone when the waves are choppy.

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      quatrainposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Nope. Though the candidates seem flawed, they'll grow into the role. Huntsman, Romney and Gingrich are polished and finished products now. Perry is over and probbaly Cain too. But that's what primaries are for.

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   rebekahELLEposted 11 years ago

   It's hard to tell now, but with the redistribution of districts favoring GOP, whoever that candidate may be has already gained ground without any major campaigning. The Koch brothers are working hard to make sure he's not reelected with their dirty, nasty fingers all over our political system.
   
   The problem for the GOP so far (and so near 2012) is their inability to produce an electable candidate.

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   Don Wposted 11 years ago

   Others have done it in similar circumstances.
   
   "We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace—business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering. They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob. Never before, in all our history, have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me, and I welcome their hatred!"
   
   Franklin D. Roosevelt (1936)

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      Hollie Thomasposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Wow, 1936 and today a President is fighting the very same enemy. On the one hand though, organized money was not coming under the same kind of scrutiny, or indeed backlash, that it is today.

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         Don Wposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Indeed. Global mass communications has certainly made it easier to raise public awareness of the issues in a way that would have been difficult in 1936. Mass campaigns like [link=http://www.occupytogether.org/]Occupy Together[/link] would have been virtually impossible then.

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      Mighty Momposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Does this mean the way out of this morass is WWIII?
      Sure hope not!

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         Don Wposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I hope not too. In terms of similarities I was hoping more for an increased tax rate on the top earners, and investment in education and health care. Having said that perhaps a different type of war is starting, not fought between the world's military, but between ordinary people and the socio-economic elite. Economic polarisation of American society is already causing social discord as we've seen this weekend. But it's also causing discord in other societies across the globe. Probably too soon to tell if it's the start of something long lasting. If Obama manages to tap into that, he might do well. But he has to walk a fine. If he's too populist he may loose  as much support as he gains from some quarters.

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   thirdmilleniumposted 11 years ago

   weigh the possible alternatives and you have the answer

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   ahorsebackposted 11 years ago

   Our publics ability to communicate instantly has changed a lot  in the last few years , dont look for anything there, soon though . I think that its too bad President Obama  hasen't used the same measure of communication that got him elected by the younger generation , 18 - 28 year olds elected him in a great one time movement. Too bad they cant hold that attention for more that twelve minutes.   AND too bad he can't used that same ability to groundswell true leadership and concrete progress in political "change" ! I know , I know .....its the GOPs fault! He said " I would be happy being a good - one term president " The key word here ....Good! :-{

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      Mighty Momposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I've wondered that myself, AHB.
      Is it that Obama's style and rhetoric are no longer appropriate?
      Hope and change are positive, pull message and perfect for campaigning.
      But ring very hollow in the face of today's dismal economic reality.
      (No, I am not blaming Obama for the financial crisis here, merely pointing out that in times of crisis, we need reassurance and leadership. I'm not seeing that from him to the extent I would like. Virtual fireside chats would serve him (and America) well right about now).
      If he is truly content with being a GOOD one-term president, move over and give Hillary the shot she should have had in 2008. We'll all be better off!
      
      
      But I also agree with the 12-minute attention span epidemic!
      And it's not just 18-28 year olds, either.
      Look at the GOP and its ongoing. ever-shifting identity crisis. They can't seem to figure out who they want to be in 2012. Nature abhors a vacuum. What's that sucking sound?

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         quatrainposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         My my, someone  who actually sees that Hilary deserved the be our 44th President.

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   lovemychrisposted 11 years ago

   "its the GOPs fault"
   
   Glad you recognize it...they certainly don't deserve to be rewarded for being buffoons.
   
   Republicorp, USA.
   
   NO THANK YOU. HAD ENUFF OF IT.

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      Don Wposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Amazing how lessons from the past never seem to be learned, and how forward thinking some voices from the past actually were. Here's an interesting quote shows what I mean:
      
      " 'Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.' Increasingly, by choice or by accident, this is the role our nation has taken, the role of those who make peaceful revolution impossible by refusing to give up the privileges and the pleasures that come from the immense profits of overseas investments. I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin the shift from a thing-oriented society to a person-oriented society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights, are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered." - Dr. Martin Luther King (1967)

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   psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago

   I think it is possible given the options on the center-left.

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    lovemychrisposted 11 years ago

    I don't know, but can someone shut that Caniac UP???
    
    Now he's going on and on about immigrants coming here to kill us:
    
    Retro Hyperbole dude....that is SO Gvr Brewer.

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    prettydarkhorseposted 11 years ago

    YES to the OP question. I can see the future.

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    Evan G Rogersposted 11 years ago

    He lied to us.
    
    Vote him out.

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       pisean282311posted 11 years agoin reply to this

       what lie...kindly elaborate....

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          Evan G Rogersposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Here ya go.
          
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfjn3Vd7 … embedded#!
          
          And this "bringing the troops home" garbage is all a lie, too.  We have the world's biggest fortress set up in Iraq, AND we are leaving 15,000 troops there.
          
          So, enough with the "..." and look at the facts. The man won a Nobel Peace Prize for starting wars.
          
          PS - it's always great how liberals hate conservative wars, but never speak out when their leaders keep the wars going. Quit being fooled by Obama's Moxy and realize he's Bush Jr. Jr.

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    Reality Bytesposted 11 years ago

    Alfred E. Newman could beat His majesty in 2012.
    
    
    I cannot wait to see the ads for the general election.
    
    Gotta admit there is some shady goings on.   Just Biden quotes will make it humorous.

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       I am DB Cooperposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Alfred E. Newman is not part of the GOP circus. Obama's losing the poll against "any GOP candidate", but he's winning the polls against specific GOP candidates. That's because people who are in favor of one GOP candidate but not the others say that they would vote for "any GOP candidate" over Obama, but if their specific candidate doesn't get the nomination they will tend to vote for Obama, a 3rd party candidate, or not vote at all.
       
       There won't be as much enthusiastic support for Obama next year, but I think he still pulls it out. He'll be facing either Rick Perry or Mitt Romney, and both have serious flaws that will prevent them from beating Obama. Polls might not make this clear yet, but that's why you shouldn't trust polls this early on. Bill Clinton was in 3rd place at this point in 1991.
       
       What I do trust more than polls is people who actually put some skin in the game. The betting community tends to do a much better job at predicting elections than Gallup or Zogby or any of the other pollsters. They've currently got Obama at better than 50% odds of winning. Romney is next at about 33%, and from there the odds drop off a cliff. Herman Cain, who doesn't even seem to be properly prepared to compete in the first few primary states, is at under 5%. If you like betting long shots, Rick Santorum is paying 100 to 1. If you enjoy throwing money away, Buddy Roemer pays 200 to 1.

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    Lady_Eposted 11 years ago

    I think he will get a second term but America would definitely not want him for a third Term.

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       Texasbetaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Um....

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    knolyourselfposted 11 years ago

    Two parties is one party more than fascism.

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       Repairguy47posted 11 years agoin reply to this

       At least its one more, would you like to do away with the other party?

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    prettydarkhorseposted 11 years ago

    I think I answered this already, yes he will still win bec there is no consensus among the other party.

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    Bubblegum Senpaiposted 11 years ago

    I personally don't place the blame entirely on the GOP. But I do think the Tea Party's refusal to cooperate at all with anyone has been a bit of a hindrance to actually helping the economy. Both the GOP and Dems have good ideas that are feasible, But the Tea Party's objective has been less about helping the economy and more about making sure they win arguments.
    
    I hate to admit it, but as long as the Tea Party has it's members in place, than the GOP is going to be the only option for "fixing" the economy. Not because the Dems aren't capable, but because the Tea Party won't let them try.
    
    I think Obama deserves a second term in office, for how he led in his first two years. Unfortunately, having him in office for a second term will result in at least two more years of political stalemating.
    
    Than again, I'm not american, I just recognize that whoever is the US President is the most powerful man in the free world (In theory), and that includes my home country. All i can do is pray that voters make informed decisions. If all the voters actually vote based on well thought out research, rather than simple partisanship, then I can feel a bit more secure, nomatter who wins your election.

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    GoGreenGuruposted 11 years ago

    The tea party is putting self proclaimed goals a head of the people

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    mel22posted 11 years ago

    i once wrote in Ted Nugent as a write-in candidate in a gubernatorial election because i didn't like either cadidate and since noone really has a vote anyway ,because the Bilderberg's have already chosen their candidate Perry in advance ,then everyone might as well get a joke in and write in their favorite write-in. Anyone want to join in the fun. It doesn't have to be Nugent; it could be Pedro or the Easter Bunny for all i care.. I'm sick of politics; it's a joke on everyone so i might as well get a laugh in at the ballot count... and yes i already know i'm wasting my vote and I don't really give a $#&@  ... every candidate from every party is a sellout... so what do you say!?

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    mel22posted 11 years ago

    ...and you should all wear ugly sweaters to the ballot booth and make it a party...(got that from Relache's hub)

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