If you think there is no Global Conspiracy - You're wrong. Here's why

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   Wesman Todd Shawposted 13 years ago

   But please don't take my word for it, and if you've not watched the video here, you have absolutely nothing valid to say.
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl … _ur1M1ya4U
   
   
   

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      Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Just curious, what worried you about Soros' opinion that improved international currency mechanisms are needed? I watched the video and heard nothing alarming. There is nothing sinister about the International Monetary Fund or the World Bank. The world has gotten "smaller" and more economically interdependent. People speak of a "new world order" as some kind of bogey man. I don't see it that way. Just as safety considerations demand mechanisms for controlling domestic and international plane traffic mechanisms for dealing with international trade and currency exchanges are requires. I don't know enough about international currency trading and fluctuations to comment on the specifics of what Soros said. However, I respect him as a very wise and well-motivated man.

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         Stacie Lposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         is he supposed to be one of the Stone Masons that are ruling the world?

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         Wesman Todd Shawposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         What flavour of Globalism Kool Aide do you prefer?

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         couturepopcafeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         @ Ralph - I think people equate the 'new world order' with the Christian belief that the antichrist will create a new world order and in this sense it's got some people freaked out.  But I can agree with your idea that the world is getting smaller and a new order is somewhat inevitable. Re. Soros, I don't trust his motives.

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            Wesman Todd Shawposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Christians fearing a new world order has nothing to do with international conspiracy to create one.
            
            When someone is elected in the USA - they are most often elected due to campaign donations that got their face on the television and their name all over the radio and print media, not to mention the internet as well.
            
            Campaign donations from international corporations - that alone proves an international global government intent.
            
            But there's more proof and evidence of ongoing global governance efforts than could ever be listed here, and don't forget Judaism too - which has it's own prophecy of a global system.
            
            It's really pretty embarrassing to me to see someone say, "there is no conspiracy."  I feel genuinely alarmed for them, as either they are spreading ....totally fear based misinformation, or they've built such a wall around their ability to see objective truth, that they are surely mentally ill.

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               Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Sorry pal, you are the one spreading "fear-based misinformation."
               
               "When someone is elected in the USA - they are most often elected due to campaign donations that got their face on the television and their name all over the radio and print media, not to mention the internet as well."
               
               This I agree with. The U.S. badly needs campaign finance reform, possibly a Constitutional amendment. Preferably government provided campaign funds. Corporate and special interest money corrupts federal, state, and local elections. However, I've seen no convincing evidence of an international government conspiracy. I'm not a ware of a single politician, corporation or anybody of any significance who supports world government. Each country has enough trouble governing itself. In case you haven't noticed the European Community is showing signs of coming apart at the seams. That's a FACT. The United Nations is a noble effort, but it is pretty ineffectual at dealing with world problems. That's a FACT. Trade is increasing, but we haven't figured out how to enforce intellectual property rights in China and elsewhere. Pirates in Somalia are preying on oil tankers, freighters and private cruising yachts, and we haven't figured out how to stop them. That's a FACT. Where's the international conspiracy. It seems to me that more effective international cooperation is needed to deal with a number of very real problems, terrorism being number one.

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   Hugh Williamsonposted 13 years ago

   Wes - I watched the interview and it sounded like the usual "financial expert" speculating on the future (and the scenarios that best suit their own interests). In the past Soros has had no qualms about enriching himself on the backs of others. He made 1B off Britain's currency crisis.
   
   But consider -- the internal stability of China is anything but secure. Ethnic repression and the glacial pace at improving the lot of the poor and the peasants is causing concern. China's neighbors are fidgety about Chinese claiming ownership of areas that they now control.
   
   The biggest customer of China (the U.S.) is tightening up on accepting their dumped goods and also in tolerating their flaunting of international patent and copyright laws. The weakened U.S. and European economies are a detriment to China's policy of export first and try not to import.
   
   I don't really see any conspiracy beyond universal bankster greed but their free reign is being questioned. People now understand that there is a difference between corporate raiding and corporate production, so, I listen to the Soros of the world with a grain of salt.

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      couturepopcafeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Ditto. And "the Mongol kings will rule the world". Nostradamus

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         Wesman Todd Shawposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Nostradamus ....facepalm.

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      Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      If China decides not to except US dollars for trade,(and they are looking into that with other countries).the U.S will be screwed majorly.
      
      http://www.stansberryresearch.com/pro/1 … PSIM633/PR
      
      Easy video and clear narrative to follow.

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         Terri Meredithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         That video has been out for over a year...maybe two.  I find it interesting how much what he believed would happen internationally in the financial sectors, has come to pass.  sort of makes ya sit up and pay attention, don't it?

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   logic,commonsenseposted 13 years ago

   And Hubpages is a partner in the global conspiracy!

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      Wesman Todd Shawposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      WTF?  Head injury?  Are you okay?

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   geordmcposted 13 years ago

   @logic
   How is hubpages a part of the global conspiracy ? Most people who post are "common" citizens from all over. Where is the consriracy?

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      Wesman Todd Shawposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Do you need someone to call your physician?  What are you talking about - did you forget to take your meds?

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         psycheskinnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Classy.

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            Wesman Todd Shawposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            But not blind and stupid, as your comments always are.

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               psycheskinnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               because I deal with facts and logic, not unsubstantiated claims and personal attacks?

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                  Wesman Todd Shawposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Concerning the history of the Western World over the past five hundred years - you fail.

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                     psycheskinnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Concerning having a coherent conversation and follow forum rules, you fail.

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                        Wesman Todd Shawposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Having a coherent conversation with an idiot doesn't work because the idiot doesn't understand what the wiser person is saying.

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                           psycheskinnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           I can only agree.

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   lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

   Personally, I hope they're done looting America, and are moving on to their next victim. China, perhaps? That's where the capitalist money is now.
   
   BTW, I heard a great line once from Warren Ballentine..."It's not a conspiracy, it's a plan."

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      Wesman Todd Shawposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      No sorry, we've still got money to be shipped to Asia.  There can be no new world order while America is yet so strong.

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   knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

   They will never be done looting America. They want everything publicly owned.

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      Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Who are "they?" Are you referring to Goldman Sachs, JPMorganChase, CitiGroup, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, whom our government has failed thusfar to regulate effectively?

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         Wesman Todd Shawposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Sane enough comment, but it's deeper than that.

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            Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            "deeper than that" ??? Who is conspiring and what are they conspiring to do? There are various international organizations working on many different issues--world trade, de-nuclearization, world health, communicable diseases, piracy, air traffic contol, poverty, banning cluster bombs, and so forth. And of course there is al Qaeda which is engaged in terrorist plots and attacks. What is the one(s) that worries you?

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               Wesman Todd Shawposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               If you think that there is no evidence of an international elitist group that wants a one world government, and a one world currency - then I simply don't know how to help you understand that.
               
               It's the most common sense and easily seen thing that I can think of.  As obvious as the sky is blue.

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                  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I've seen no evidence of such a conspiracy.

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      Wesman Todd Shawposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      +1
      
      Central control by international corporations and banks for Zion would be more likely.

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   lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

   I don't consider that looting.

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   knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

   Which is why they will never be done.

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   lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

   Could you please x-plain?

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    knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

    If looting is not looting, ie the theft of everything publicly owned like the schools, roads, parks, social security, etc. then the looting will never end.

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       SusieQ42posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       My opinion- it's all in the plan, we're getting a little closer to end times.  We shouldn't be surprised!

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          Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          You're coming straight out of the movie "Melancholia!"

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       lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Oh, got it! "They WANT everything", not "they want everything to be publicly owned"!
       
       I was just hoping they would go away and leave us be.

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    knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

    Know I am getting closer to my end time.

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    knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

    "I was just hoping they would go away and leave us be." Took the Swedes and Norwegians years and years of organizing, mass protests and demonstrations to get rid of the power of the 1% there.

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    psycheskinnerposted 13 years ago

    The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

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       Terri Meredithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Quick!!!  Everyone get your tinfoil hats on for protection....wait...Will foil hold up under the weight of the sky?  I'll just reinforce it with some dioxins and twinkies and be protected.  (from what I hear, they can't do any harm.)  Hope that sky knocks some sense into a few empty heads.

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    knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

    "Who are "they?" They are the major banks, energy giants, the fed, the military industrial complex, the Pentagon, NATO, the international corporations raiding the world for resources and a few secret societies and the whole peasant patriotism meme used by the ruling class to fight their wars for them.

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    knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

    I have always said that the empire is not run by Israel. But they are always good to be scapegoats if
    the stuff hits the fan, and certainly act as a smoke screen for the real deal.

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    knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

    "There's no way Europe can benefit from Caspian Sea gas without a massive $22 billion investment to develop Shah Deniz II - of which Iran holds a 10% participation. Shah Deniz II would be essential to supply the Nabucco pipeline - if it ever gets built. Nabucco bypasses Iran's strategic ally Russia - which happens to maintain a stranglehold over Europe's gas supply, as Europeans themselves never cease to complain in Brussels.
    
    If Iran blocks it, the deal dies. So we have a post-surrealist situation of Britain's Big Oil - via BP - imploring for the US to exempt it from sanctions, otherwise European energy security will be at risk. Britain also happens to be an implacable foe of Tehran's regime, but still relies on Iran to "save" Europe from the claws of Gazprom. You can't make this stuff up."

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    onlinearticlespkposted 13 years ago

    Global Cospiracy is always there and commonn people are just tools.

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       Wesman Todd Shawposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Absolutely.
       
       Why or what would justify the super rich NOT trying to control everything?
       
       They already see a social construct and behaviour that assures them that they are "superior."  But, of course, they are completely incorrect on that end.

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    Terri Meredithposted 13 years ago

    Our leader has been banned for 3 days.    Someone didn't like his passionate answers and went home crying, I guess.  He has handed the reigns to me to hold for him and I am honored.  He'll be back, stronger than ever! 

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       psycheskinnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I didn't like being called blind and stupid because I happen to think he has some of his facts wrong.  I'm funny like that.

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    janesixposted 13 years ago

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       Terri Meredithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       While I don't like being called names, either, I also don't understand myopic viewpoints and refusals to even look at legitimate facts.  Even if the legitimacy is in question, it's our duty as Americans to look at all the circumstances, events, and people surrounding a topic.  It is the only way to ensure that we keep a handle on our freedom, which to date is being dangerously threatened.  I suppose Wes just doesn't handle point blank statements implying that he's an emotionally driven liar.  Insisting that he's spreading lies about his choice of topics is no different than him calling someone blind and stupid.  He asked for sources at different times on several of his forums.  None were provided to show him the "error of his ways".  I would then venture to say that the person telling him he is wrong is simply stating an opinion with no facts to back it up.  Makes him the more credible of the two.  However, I DO wish he would remain calm in the face of irrational ramblings.

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          Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I haven't noticed that Wesman provided any facts. Certainly any convincing facts. He provided a link to a video of Soros discussing the international banking crisis about which he is an acknowledged expert. Apparently Wesman thinks the opinions Soros expressed are proof of an international conspiracy. I don't see it. For many years Soros helped promote democracy and freedom in the former USSR satellite countries. He is also a very successful capitalist investor who has made a lot of money. So what?

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             Terri Meredithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I think the biggest problem about Soros is that he is an admitted megolamaniac who has openly admitted that he's always seen himself in a messianic role.  He was raised to oppose nationalism and believes he can use his billions to promote his personal idea of an open society.  He is a non-American spending billions to meddle in American politics.  He has presented himself as a student of Prof. Karl Popper's philosophies, yet he donates his money to the very types of organizations that support societies Popper frowned upon...collectivist.
             
             Soros is dangerous.  He presents himself as a philanthropist but in business dealings he openly admits that he wants more power for the World Bank and International Monetary Fund.  He also has stated that the role of the US should be "downsized" in the IMF.  In 1998 he stated that our sovereignty should be subordinated to international  institutions.
             
             Perhaps the most harmful of his activities has been his manipulation of currencies, bringing financial crisis to several countries, one of which was England.  He made a billion by dumping 10 billion in sterling which forced a devaluation of the currency.
             
             Are you serious???  Did you really say "so what????"  This man claims he wants to put an end to capitalism, but makes billions by practicing it????  So, then you won't mind if you lose everything when he finally succeeds in "downsizing" the US's interests through our own currency manipulation?  You won't mind being one of the poverty stricken drones to kiss the feet of the great new Messiah?    He's an expert alright...an expert at bringing countries to financial ruin while fattening his own wallet.  Yeah,  let's welcome him with open arms.

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          janesixposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I don't care. I don't owe society anything.

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