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Anyone surprised to know the FEDS are tracking your every move online and phone

  1. mintinfo profile image73
    mintinfoposted 4 years ago

    Anyone surprised to know the FEDS are tracking your every move online and phone call you make?

    Do you care that it violates your privacy or is it a fair trade off for national security?


  2. Express10 profile image89
    Express10posted 4 years ago

    I care that it violates my privacy and do not feel that it's a fair trade off. These types of things are ripe for misuse in ways different than officially intended and there usually is NO independent and trustworthy oversight whatsoever.

    1. ptosis profile image71
      ptosisposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      True. Right now it is massive data collection, sort of like the census before the Japanese Internment....

  3. Michele Travis profile image69
    Michele Travisposted 4 years ago

    Yep,  and when I talk to my friends we bore so much!. ( They know I dye my hair)

  4. Rock_nj profile image91
    Rock_njposted 4 years ago

    No, I am not surprised at all because they used similiar tactics during the Cold War.  However, to characterize this as tracking your every move is misleading.  They are tracking people's moves who a court has authorized tracking, who are suspected terrorists.  I don't like Big Brother and 1984 disturbed me a lot, but this is not tracking everything everyone does online or on their phones.  I like now that it is out in the open, as this sort of thing could certainly be abused by people in government.

    1. UnnamedHarald profile image97
      UnnamedHaraldposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      The chilling things is that they DON'T need a court order to track suspects. That's the whole problem-- the secret court has authorized the mass gathering of phone records regardless of who they are "for future pattern detection". Been going on 7 yrs

    2. profile image0
      Larry Wallposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      They do not need permission from the secret court because everything is out there in public for the pickings. I have a relative who will not use e-mail, but talks on her cell phone for hours--for a few dollars, someone can capture of conversations.

  5. faythef profile image46
    faythefposted 4 years ago

    It seems nothing surprises me anymore....I do wonder what else is happening that we don't know about...

    1. Express10 profile image89
      Express10posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      That's all we can do, wonder because it's not likely we'd ever be told the good, bad, and ugly from a trustworthy independent source.

  6. SoundNFury profile image82
    SoundNFuryposted 4 years ago

    It doesn't surprise me, especially about stuff I do online.  I don't know why some people presume/expect privacy when they offer up so much information about themselves voluntarily online.  Tracking the phone calls bothers me more.

  7. Mr. Happy profile image82
    Mr. Happyposted 4 years ago

    It's funny to see how scared Big Brother is lol
    The System is crumbling and these are some of its last twitches. Western governments are turning dictatorial but I am not worried. I already lived through one revolution (i.e. Romania 1989) and I can live through more if necessary.
    All the best to everyone!

  8. Renee Abbott profile image85
    Renee Abbottposted 4 years ago

    Surprised? Not at all, plus they are involved in checking peoples' activity on the Internet. It sure reminds me of the 60's and early 70's. I been studying alot about going off the grid.

  9. IslandBites profile image89
    IslandBitesposted 4 years ago

    This is not new. And of course it violates privacy rights, but liberty and democracy are just ideals. The government is always watching and taking care of business.

    1. ptosis profile image71
      ptosisposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      old but still wrong, eh?

    2. profile image0
      Larry Wallposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Government watches when we interact with others for reasons of commerce, and security. My neighborhood pays an off duty officer to patrol at night. Everyone did not agree.to the idea--they do not pay . dues. Is that an invasion  of privacy.

    3. Express10 profile image89
      Express10posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      If you have security roaming the neighborhood they could be useful in crime prevention but the proximity also means they do gain personal details that some aren't comfortable having them know. They should probably move if they disagree with it.

  10. Sharkye11 profile image94
    Sharkye11posted 4 years ago

    What surprises me is that people are all panicking and thinking this is new. They have already forgotten the big to-do when the Patriot Act was passed after 9/11. I've always assumed my whole life that the government has kept tabs on certain individuals.

    I don't know if it actually helps prevent anything. But who knows what all might have happened otherwise? We can only know  what does happen, never what was prevented. As for me, if they are really only monitoring suspicious individuals, then I'm not concerned, because I don't do anything wrong. If they are monitoring everyone, then I bet they get incredibly bored listening to my once a week phone call to my mom, and watching me write mundane articles.

    I thought that after 9/11 too, when everyone was freaking out over conspiracy and spies. At that time, the only thing I ever did online was post zombie artwork and role-play on an LOTR forum. Can't imagine how fun that was for them to watch!

    On a practical note, I doubt they are really interested in our everyday private matters. Think about how many millions of people they would have to monitor, and all the repetitive drivel they would be hearing. If people were super concerned about privacy, they wouldn't have spent all the years since the internet was introduced posting online about every single detail of their lives. And I don't know...if they really were monitoring everyone...seems like all the crime would be gone by now.

    1. ptosis profile image71
      ptosisposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      massive data collection is like predicting weather patterns from chaos, the whole point is that they are not looking for individuals. The premise is looking for political movements. Google BlueCRUSH

  11. profile image0
    Larry Wallposted 4 years ago

    I doubt if every phone call is being monitored and every online move is being watched. They are probably watching some sites, which they have determined might be link to people or groups that pose a threat.

    I do not think there are enough federal employees to keep track of my exciting days. I was home all day today.

    Are people being watched--yes. Are all people being watched--no.

    Are the online activities of people being monitored--yes, especially the child molesters and those that attempt to hide money in offshore accounts.

    Are the online movements of all people being watched--I seriously doubt it. I do not think there are enough employees to keep track of all of us.

    I assure you, the threat to your freedom and liberty and freedom was more threatened by Sen. Joe McCarthy and the Committee on UnAmerican Activities that was very active during the Red Scare of the 1950s and 1960s.

    Someone will always find a reason to believe people are being watched. If you are doing nothing illegal, you have nothing to fear, except more fear.

    I would like to know the source of this claim. Some people are being watched, but not everyone.

    1. ptosis profile image71
      ptosisposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      the whole point of data exhaust collection is to see patterns that can not be measured with spot checks.  SO that mean everyone, everywhere, all the time.

    2. profile image0
      Larry Wallposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      No it means a representative sampling--much like a political poll--is needed in order to extrapolate certain conclusions.

  12. coleikerd profile image82
    coleikerdposted 4 years ago

    Perhaps a dangerous question to ask when "they" are watching you. And here I go, answering anyway.

    I am not shocked by any length a person will go to in order to exert control over others. For some people and groups of people, controlling others seems to be what life is about.

    In the case of our governing entities, there are so many examples to suggest they are watching us and lying to us consistently, I only wonder which conspiracies are true, and which are not. Many have been brought to light and in recent years, many more have been openly admitted to. Frankly a lot of the "conspiracy theories" are not theory at all. Or even conspiracy. It's become common knowledge that Monsanto is in bed with the top dogs in the US government. It's all in the open, yet, people still call that a "conspiracy theory."  There are numerous other examples.

    To me, no violation of privacy is a fair trade off. There will always be dangers in life, it's part of living. We can take steps to make our lives safer, but to take those steps out of fear always leads us to bad decisions.

  13. davidlivermore profile image98
    davidlivermoreposted 4 years ago

    If you aren't doing anything wrong, then who cares?  If the government wants to see that I watch cat videos, play games, and write online, go ahead.  I could use more hits on my hubs!

    1. Sharkye11 profile image94
      Sharkye11posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Haha! I didn't think about the increase in traffic. Maybe they will check out our blogs too!

    2. SoundNFury profile image82
      SoundNFuryposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      haha! Great point! smile

    3. Patty Inglish, MS profile image93
      Patty Inglish, MSposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Haha, maybe the cat videos are secretly coded. LOL

    4. Express10 profile image89
      Express10posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I understand where you're coming from David, it's just that I've always respected other's privacy & would not snoop on them. There is a lot of info to be gained even if it seems harmless. If someone's a real threat only they should be snooped.

    5. ptosis profile image71
      ptosisposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, ...

  14. Skarlet profile image87
    Skarletposted 4 years ago

    It is scary. But, what bothers me the most is to hear people defending this. This is America and we are not supposed to tolerate this.
    All I hear are liberals trying to point to why its okay, and more recently they are using the typical tactic of saying that Republicans are responsible. They point to the 1980s as they are trained by MSNBC to do, and then compare George Bush to what is happening now. GWB was monitoring the oversees calls, and the liberals were going crazy, saying that this was dictatorship, and now those same people are saying that monitoring everything and everyone is okay.
    Sheeple, wake up, take the rose colored lenses off, turn off MSNBC and open up your minds.

    1. profile image0
      Larry Wallposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I never watch MSNBC or Fox--if you watch both, you will go crazy. We have always been watched. It is just more efficient now. I am sure it would be easy to trace the phone no.  for the house I lived in 55 years ago--what would it prove and who cares.

  15. dashingscorpio profile image87
    dashingscorpioposted 4 years ago

    The CIA and FBI have been spying on citizens for (many years). After 9-11 things just got more invasive as more license was "publically" granted to catch both domestic and foreign terrorists. It was only a matter of time before these granted powers would be expanded to include other agendas.
    In a "free society" we tell ourselves that the government exists to (serve the people). However in all honesty the purpose of a government is to (control) it's people and prevent anarchy.
    While I'm far from being a "conspirisist" I do believe the government does and always has a say in what does or does not appear in the "news". Lying awake at night worrying about something you can't control is a waste of time. A wise farmer once said:
    "You don't control the seasons. They're already set. You learn to work with the seasons." In other words focus on the things you can control!

  16. Silverspeeder profile image59
    Silverspeederposted 4 years ago

    Did people really imagine what they did or do in cyberspace would be private and confidential?
    What is privacy anyway? 

    Privacy is effectively a 20th century concept like the steam engine.

    1. ptosis profile image71
      ptosisposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      https? verisign?, online banking and shopping?

    2. Silverspeeder profile image59
      Silverspeederposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Have you read their privacy policies? Apparently your details belong to them!

  17. Jeff Berndt profile image86
    Jeff Berndtposted 4 years ago

    I don't know what bothers me more: The folks who say that it's Obama's fault when they know darn well this whole thing started during W's first term, or the folks who say "If you're not doing anything wrong, you don't have anything to worry about."

    Well, no, the fact that warrantless wiretapping ever started in the first place is the most disturbing, and the fact that it's still going on is a close second. But those other ones are right up there.

    1. Express10 profile image89
      Express10posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I agree. I was raised to not snoop on others but that's just me. If there is real cause to snoop on a suspect, only they should be snooped on within the means of the law. It's the wide net being cast that I don't like, not new but I don't like it.

  18. taburkett profile image59
    taburkettposted 4 years ago

    NOPE - just another illegal operation by the DOPE (department of political excrement).

    you might want to go to infowars.com/

    and read the article obama-pay-no-attention-to-the-massive-nsa-complex-under-the-mountains/ to read more about the great deception.

    1. coleikerd profile image82
      coleikerdposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Holy cow. That statement made by the FBI agent on CNN that they can "go back and look at digital communications in the past"... Can't get much clearer than that. Thanks for the source.

    2. profile image0
      Larry Wallposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I went to infowars.com--there are thousands of sites like that . If you dig hard enough, you can discredit all of them. All these sites are just another version of talk radio, most of which has no credibility., in my opinion as a former reporter.

  19. robhampton profile image97
    robhamptonposted 4 years ago

    I doubt they track every move I make but even if they did, I could care less.

    1. ptosis profile image71
      ptosisposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      You will when they arrest you as a fall guy with something that you had nothing to do with.

    2. robhampton profile image97
      robhamptonposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      lol...  Ok

  20. tsmog profile image81
    tsmogposted 4 years ago

    How does that old adage go if you can think it up it probably has already been done or something like that. Star Trek introduced the communicator to with their original broadcasts the year 1966. The early 1970's  Motorola introduced the clunky appearing mobile phone.

    As resistor technology and other circuitry evolved the clunky mobile phone of the 1970's found their way into museums. Twenty-seven years later the flip phone or the Star Trek Communicator was real around 1997. Near to 30 years transpired since first introduced on Star Trek.

    With those innovations technology said we have to know who and how much to charge. Certainty says they have to know how to track those services in order to charge for their usage just like a pay phone near to extinct. So, in essence if you pay for a service with any aspect of communication then most certainly it is being tracked.

  21. ptosis profile image71
    ptosisposted 4 years ago


    It's not for individuals, is like watching a school of fish or a flock of birds because, "Under a state of emergency in order to inhibit protesters' organizations to develop via Facebook and other social media, anti-terror laws can be use to stifle legal dissent by targeting, arresting and politically disabling peaceful American citizens. - http://hub.me/affWp

    Technically, the census is the grandfather of this data gathering - Like the Roman (Jesus) , Nazi (Jews) or USA (Japanese) census

  22. profile image0
    Justsilvieposted 4 years ago

    Get over it! Most of us are really not that interesting or doing anything of interest to those looking. But it does make you blush to realize someone somewhere is probably laughing very hard at some of the antics we may have taken part of in cyberspace...

    Bottom line is I could care less! Let em look! and yes I think it is a fair trade for National Security.

  23. profile image52
    viola staggsposted 4 years ago

    No not a bit surprised.don't anyone watch TV .They have been showing things like this for years.I know that is just tv,but it just gives people an idea and they well figure out how to make it work.Govermenthas allways kept there eyes on everybody.The thing is now technology has taken things to a whole knew level.

      We get upset if they watch then,we want answer when something bad happens.We can't have our cake and eat it to.Just pray to god that the keep it to things that are important.

         The child molesters,and bomb builders,the people that just have so much hate in there heart that they want to hurt.Let the hate and lust of the world go away then they wouldn't have to be watching everybody.