After-Birth Abortions aka Death to Newborns

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   Cassie Smithposted 11 years ago

   In the Journal of Medical Ethics, two academicians Alberto Giublini and Francesca Minerva, argue that newborn babies are not "actual persons" and do not have a "moral right to life" and further argue that parents should be able to have their babies killed if it turns out to be disabled when it's born.  So now we have people proposing that newborns are not actual persons and should be killed off especially when they are born disabled.  How long before the liberals argue that newborns should be killed off because like a fetus, it's just cells and a difference of 8 months.  After all it's not a real person yet.  I give em a year.

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      Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Do you have a link to that story?
      
      And no one in their right mind would call for the killing of newborns.

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         IzzyMposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I linked it, Susan, maybe from a different quarter.

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         Cassie Smithposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healt … s-say.html

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            IzzyMposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Excellent article thanks for linking Cassie.
            
            This woman has done more for the anti-abortion brigade in one day, than they could ever hope for in 20 years or more.
            
            By comparing the newborn baby to the unborn baby, she has raised the unborn baby's  status a thousand times.
            
            If, as she says, there is no difference, then perhaps public opinion might demand an end to abortions.

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               Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               To me that seems what the whole point of this was...

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                  IzzyMposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Now that's clever!!

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         pedrogposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         http://jme.bmj.com/content/early/2012/0 … 00411.full

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         habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/weird/Kill … 14423.html

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      kerrygposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Most people in the developed wold would disagree, but globally and historically it's not a particularly unusual position. Biblical law granted parents life or death power over their children and it's far from alone in doing so. Infanticide has been so prevalent in most human societies that some estimates suggest that as many as 40% of all children ever born may have been deliberately killed by their parents.

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         Cassie Smithposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         And it begins...

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         Gusserposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         well THAT certainly makes it OK to kill em.

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            kerrygposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I didn't say it was okay. I said acting shocked that such a viewpoint exists is either deeply disingenuous or deeply ignorant. Probably, given Cassie's proclivities, the former.

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               Gusserposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               I don't see the words "acting shocked" did I miss them?

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               habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Well, I'm shocked, so I guess I'm ignorant. I'm always shocked by horrific murders and torture, too, even though both have been going on since mankind has walked the earth.
               
               I wonder, however, if this article wasn't written in the same vein as  Swift's "A Modest Proposal."

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                  gmwilliamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  To kerryg and habee:  I read the story and what the two medical ethicists are saying that abortion is akin to killing newborn children.    They did not advocate killing newborn children.   What their premise is that the fact of abortion being legal is leading towards the slippery slope of killing newborn children.  The medical ethicists are contending that if the fetus is not considered human, then soon the newborn child will not be considered human.   To kerryg, you are right regarding the OP's reasoning.   As usual the OP misinterpreted the article, oh well......

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                  kerrygposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  I wish I could say I was still shocked. I wrote a hub on infanticide a couple years ago and learned all sorts of horrifying things I kind of wish I didn't know. Unwanted girls and disabled children of either sex were routinely disposed of in the most horrific manners in some societies. I thought the Greeks and Romans leaving babies outside to die of exposure was bad, but it's a fairly pleasant fate compared to what some have done.
                  
                  It makes me wonder what life must have been like for the poor mothers - suffering through pregnancy and childbirth in a time when it could easily have killed them, only to have their babies taken from them at birth and killed in front of their eyes. If you're poor and in a Sophie's Choice type situation it must be awful enough, but even well-to-do families did it in some societies. In ancient Delphi, for example, only 1% of families in the entire city had more than one daughter.

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                     gmwilliamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Yes, I indeed know about this egregious act.  In China and in many societies, girl infants are frequently murdered because they want sons only and girl children are not simply valued in some societies.

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      psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Two people have an extreme opinion.
      
      This is suprising why?

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   knolyourselfposted 11 years ago

   How much of the planet does one person destroy for their own survival? Another person - more destruction of nature. Nice to be so important that the one is
   is all consuming, and the other has no consequence whatever. Would think there might be some sort of equation in there. Must be the higher math.

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   IzzyMposted 11 years ago

   The odd thing about that article is that Francesca Minerva has received death threats over it.
   
   Come on, either you value life or you don't.
   
   http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … birth.html

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      Cassie Smithposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Well, I guess they thought she didn't qualify as a person and they wanted to abort her.

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         Gusserposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Great idea for a hub. Abort adult liberals, save America.

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   IzzyMposted 11 years ago

   I loved this comment from a reader -
   
   "You see.. Did she stop to think that maybe the death threats are coming from people who might see her as a 'not actual person' because of her beliefs? The problem with opening your mouth if all you have to say is controversial opinions and beliefs, is that there's always someone who is dafter than you. Which this lady has just found out to her cost.. A lesson learned hopefully."

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