A lot of debate on this subject. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only true Americans would be native Americans? Looking back to pilgrim days, would they have been the illegal immigrants by native Americans? If that is true, aren't most of us illegal immigrants by ancestry? Looking for opinions?
The NAs were immigrants, also. They came over from Asia - or, according to the latest theory, they came from France and Spain.
So when did immigration as we know it today really start? And after reviewing that info, are our ancestors, in many cases, illegals by that standard?
Oh? Hadn't heard that one - how did they get here if not by land bridge to Asia? I've seen reports that some Vikings made it by boat, but the first settlers were long before that.
Since my Great Grand parents immigrated here legally, no I am not an illegal immigrant
I think it was my great great grandparents in my case. My great grandmother was the first (non-native) woman to set foot in a little valley about 50 miles from where I now live, and great grandpa was the second man to settle there.
Talk about returning to your roots!
I'm not sure that there was any question of legality then, though, so I'm not sure if they were legal or illegal.
If your family was already living on the land, when America was formed, then you were considered a citizen. No one was denied citizenship at that time(when America was formed as a Nation), if they were already living here.
Yes, government formalities took place, such as the consensus and eventually a social security number was given to every citizen as a part of citizenship.
But, just because the Native Americans were here before America was formed, doesn't mean they are any less of citizens to the nation. They too were living here before America was formed and should have equal rights, just as anyone else.
@wilderness. That's my point here. Many of our ancestors would "today" be considered illegal immigrants. The US is a melting pot and always will be. We need to consider that when we address illegal immigration as some call it today.
Really? How do you figure? No developed system of government on America the continent before European people came over here. Yes, the Native Americans had their own code of laws to live by, but it wasn't anything at all. And as the population of the land grew, a Nation was born.
Countries like Britain, India, Africa, China had systems of government for the boundaries of it's Nation.
The U.S. is very young compared to them. And, if not done right, won't live as long as any of them.
Then for that to be the case, the immigrants would have had to have been the first inhabitants. Were they? If not, they were the illegal immigrants? Who can prove or disprove if others who inhabitated America before the pilgrims, didn't have immigration laws that the pilgrims landing violated in the language of those predceding the pilgrims?
And some call an illegal immigrants what they actually are - illegal aliens - without regard to being PC.
At the time you are speaking of there was no govt. welfare, no food stamps, no free medical care and taxes were not used to support immigrants. They lived or starved, worked or not, without govt. intervention or support. There was unlimited land for the taking (as long as you beat off the indigenous savages) and immigrants very often "went West" to open and free country to live.
Times have changed. Govt. now supports illegal aliens in a myriad of ways via tax $$. The country is being overpopulated (not yet, but it will become so in time) and the country no longer needs immigrants as it once did. In particular, it does not need criminals that cannot and do not support themselves while thumbing their noses at our laws.
How or why our multi-great grandparents came to this country has little to no bearing on what the illegals are doing to it today, and what the solution to that problem is.
So therefore everyone who can walk in is an American citizen. Is that your argument? Cause it sure looks like it.
I agree native Americans should have equal rights. But with all these opinions on "illegal immigrants", I'm just saying we need to look backat some of our ancestors. Because by "todays laws", many would be asked to leave.
So you say. But who knows for sure? That's my point. Perhaps they did? They didn't go to war for the hell of it. They were attacking the immigrants taking their land. So under that premise, they did have immigration laws.
Not sure who you are replying to - Cagsil? Better if you will use the "reply" button under the post.
Of course all "natives" everywhere (not just America) had immigration laws in that sense. Very few peoples have voluntarily turned over their hunting grounds to other tribes. The difference is that we don't typically allow such things to happen today while it was quite common hundreds or thousands of years ago. Conquest was how you moved to a different location but it is frowned upon today. Even when it happens to America.
@wilderness, and that's my point. If one reviews the immigration laws, many of our ancestors were in fact illegal immigrants by todays standards or laws. But yet many fail to realize that fact and are quick to judge those considered illegal today. We need new immigration laws that are fair. Not a round up solution and send them all packing. That was the point of this forum.
What my distant ancestors did or did not do has no bearing on todays world or problems, at least in the much changed world of immigration. As I say, times and circumstances have changed and we are not the savages we were once were.
Yes, comprehensive immigration change needs to be made, beginning with securing our borders and denying work to illegal aliens. Not immigrants, not "green cards" - illegal aliens.
It sounds like your solution is to simply grant citizenship to anyone here, and I categorically deny that as a reasonable solution to the millions of illegal aliens withing our borders. I'm tired of the damage they do, I'm tired of supporting them and I'm tired of fighting them for work.
I also recognize that rounding them up and sending them home won't work - if you're interested I wrote a hub on how to handle the problem.
Get serious. Most Native Americans would be lucky if they weren't at war with someone else for some other reason, much less have a fully functional government. Sure, Tribunal might have existed, but not like the workings of our States. Nope.
As I said.
The density of Native Americans living on the continent was at best, based on tribes. How many tribes? Who knows? It's irrelevant now.
Sorry, dudes. We don't recognize your so-called freedom of religion here in America.
We don't want you here. We don't want to compete with you for OUR resources.
Get the hell back to England.
by Eric Dierker 4 years ago
I cannot find a group that supports illegal immigration. Yet we cannot stop it. Now that is pathetic. So we must conclude that without saying it, some - many in America support it and do what they can to stop control of it. It would seem that this should be a target for midterm elections. Who does...
by MikeNV 8 years ago
The media continues to omit the word ILLEGAL when they attack the Citizens of Arizona for taking action when the Federal Government will not.The Arizona law is NOT an anti immigration law... it's an anti ILLEGAL immigration law.I did not compile this list... I've had it for some time. You can...
by Eric Dierker 4 years ago
Who supports illegal immigration?Please note we are not talking about asylum seekers, refugees, victims of human trafficking or regular or investment or skilled immigration seekers. We are not talking students or visitors.Just: Who supports illegal immigrants. (also we are not talking support like...
by JarrodHaze 10 years ago
The prime issue here is the taxation of illegal immigrants, and that they actually ARE taxed... and how some of them are actually paying more in taxes than if they were legal citizens.http://hubpages.com/_jarrodhaze/hub/Illegal-ImmigrantsI know it's a highly controversial subject, but these are...
by Elynjo 9 years ago
Hoopla. Most of the people these days are trying so hard to be politically correct and refused to call a person who entered the United States illegally an "Illegal Alien" for fear of being branded as "racist". For me, if you're illegal, you are illegal. No sugar coating, no...
by Grace Marguerite Williams 4 years ago
Are YOU sick of the incessant illegal immigration to this country which was initiated bythe amnesty program under President Obama? Why? Why not? There is an influx of illegal immigration to America as a result of this amnesty program. These illlegal immigrants have no skills nor education.Because...
Copyright © 2018 HubPages Inc. and respective owners. Other product and company names shown may be trademarks of their respective owners. HubPages® is a registered Service Mark of HubPages, Inc. HubPages and Hubbers (authors) may earn revenue on this page based on affiliate relationships and advertisements with partners including Amazon, Google, and others.
|HubPages Device ID||This is used to identify particular browsers or devices when the access the service, and is used for security reasons.|
|Login||This is necessary to sign in to the HubPages Service.|
|HubPages Traffic Pixel||This is used to collect data on traffic to articles and other pages on our site. Unless you are signed in to a HubPages account, all personally identifiable information is anonymized.|
|Remarketing Pixels||We may use remarketing pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to advertise the HubPages Service to people that have visited our sites.|
|Conversion Tracking Pixels||We may use conversion tracking pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to identify when an advertisement has successfully resulted in the desired action, such as signing up for the HubPages Service or publishing an article on the HubPages Service.|