Why is there so much controversy over same sex marriage?

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   calynbanaposted 11 years ago

   Why is there so much controversy over same sex marriage?

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   LouTucciposted 11 years ago

   Gee, there's a tough one...if God had intended that to happen, he would've made "Adam & Gary", instead of Adam & Eve.

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      bobbyandbeansposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Except not everyone believes in god or YOUR god.  Our law is supposed to work for everyone, not just people of YOUR religious beliefs, and it's supposed to be based on the constitution, not a religious book.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      But, I thought the Declaration of Independance was inspired by the Holy Bible? I was told this country was built upon the tenats of Christianity. How can laws work for everyone? That somehow sounds counter-productive to me. Laws that please everyone?

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      LouTucciposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      It is the law of nature. A man needs a woman to "create" a child. A woman needs a man to "create" a child. Law of Nature. Spin this any way you want to. If "they" want to hang out and even live together - what ever.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Lou...I believe you are onto something about the procreation of life. Having said that - I think there is more to it than that. It is also about becoming one flesh...a complete union that only a man and woman can make. All other unions produce death.

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      Borsiaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Which god would that be?
      There are hundreds if not thousands all of who's followers claim theirs is "the one and only" without any proof.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know many religions that claim their's is the only way. Most of these religions are man-made and devil inspired, so at the end of the day they really don't care what you believe in as long as it is not the Heavenly Father and Son (Jesus).

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      and now they are talking about this on the news:(KFI to be exact:) There are zoos in Germany,etc. (why do they put that crap on the radio? Maybe we should be allowed to marry our dogs? I heard a man on the radio claiming he loved his dog that much.)

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      Lady Wordsmithposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      How does the union of two women produce death, CJ?

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   epigrammanposted 11 years ago

   ..geez and even 'straight' people can't get it right - so who are they to judge?

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The issue is not about getting marriage "right" - it is about what marriage is and what it is not. It is not about men and their dogs, women and their cats, or a union of two men or two women shacking up in order to engage in perverted sex acts.

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   James Petersposted 11 years ago

   Because people naturally fear what they don't know and/or understand.
   If we were to follow Gods EVERY law, we would be stoned if we ate meat on Friday.
   If same sex marriage offends you AND NOT the starving children throughout the world - you got your priorities mixed up.
   
   P.S. I'm a hetrosexual.

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      tirelesstravelerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Do you have to do one or the other?

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Well, perhaps you would be stoned if you were an Israelite a couple thousand years ago...but I'm guessing you're not.
      
      If same sex marriage becomes the norm - there won't be any more starving children in the world or anywhere else for that matter.

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   Abluesforninaposted 11 years ago

   Because so many people seem to have the religious view of same sex relationships and feel as if those scriptural principles are being ignored. Not necessarily hating or disliking the people themselves but the actions that defy what the bible says God himself hates, (the actions). If one believes strongly in the Bible and the GOD who inspired it, then in his infinite wisdom he knows what is best for mankind and can set the standard for the life we live as the creator of all life. Therefore, these ones who are against the lifestyle can love the parties involved while not accepting what they do. Just from researching the response this seems to be the reason behind the bulk of controversy.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You had something of substance to say and you said it well. Thank you.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years ago

   Because, it is not what males and females were designed for. So, lets say two males are stranded on a deserted island. One male might decide to play the female role for the sake of having sex, loneliness or whatever. But, none of them are on a deserted island. If homosexuals get together in any society, maybe it is because, even though they are surrounded by others, they still feel lonely, isolated and unable to connect to the opposite sex. It is a pathological response and deviates from nature. It is too bad for them. I wish there was a way to help them. Some are born that way. Were they women in another lifetime? Some became that way because of their mothers.. were their mothers too close and domineering? Did they end up infusing their personalities into their sons' very psyches? Were some females so hurt by experiences with males that they turned to other women instead?
   Just wondering.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Studies have shown that children who have no father in the home are more apt to BECOME homosexuals. Homosexuality is the tip of the iceburg when it comes to deviancy and mental disorders. It is neither moral, right, good, natural or healthy.

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Are you being politically incorrect?
      Thanks for your honesty and bravery, Sledge.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I just try to be open, honest, accurate, and truthful in all that I do. :0)

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      well, thanks!

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      Borsiaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I've never met a man who would follow your island theory.

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Well, I took the example from what parrots will actually do: if two males are stuck in the same cage, it has been seen that one ends up acting like a female. I Hope it is an outlandish suggestion, but it may not be. I'm glad if  you think it is!

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I don't doubt what you are saying Kathryn. It's too bad that humans take lessons from the animal kingdom. But, then again, we are taught from a young age that we are nothing more than evolved chimpanzees, so there's little wonder why they act like it

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      Borsiaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      last time I checked we aren't parrots. In what percent do confined parrots change gender rolls? There are some animals that do change sex on demand.

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   CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years ago

   Because same "sex marriage" is an oxymoron somewhat like "sanitary landfill" or "juris prudence". Once this diabolical union is legalized, it shall be taught in the public schools, protected by law and openly promoted.
   
   Homosexuals do not just want to enjoy godless, perverted sex...they want the whole world to endorse this sick behavior and practice it, too. They know the quickest way to habituate people into accepting this evil "lifestyle" is to confuse it for something wholesome - when it is the farthest thing from it.
   
   What better way to promote a sick idea than to make use of a wholesome euphamism. This is why "pro choice" sounds so upbeat...when it should be rightly called infanticide.
   
   The controversy rages on, because there are those that understand the insidious nature of this sinful condition and its political push and then there are those who cannot see the forest through the trees or who flat-out are engaging in it themselves.
   
   Misery loves company...and this is why the homosexual lobby is working so hard to destroy any semblence of purity and honor left in our society and in our homes.

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      There does seem to be a tide of unnaturalness and a lack of common sense with no one stopping it. It  is coming with a seemingly unstoppable force just because IT CAN! 
      The king is wearing his finest robes...NOT.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Dear Kathryn: I believe the further people walk away from Godly principles and standards, the more deviant and perverted they become. Most of our judges and politcians are compromised characters who are morally bankrupt...the blind leading the blind.

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Sad but true. Thanks for bringing in the awareness of the higher ages. Some of us are ahead of our time. (Our civilization is at the Lower End of the higher ages according to indian computations of the cycles of time. )

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      James Petersposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know if you're serious or if you're trying to be funny.
      If you're trying to be funny - BRAVO! You made me laugh at 4:50am; first laugh of the day. Thank you.
      However, if you're serious (and I feel that you are) you may need therapy. Seriously

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      Borsiaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Yet atheists, or their children, are no more apt to be gay than theists.
      Trying to connect the two is a misstep do to flawed logic and little knowledge of atheists or gays.

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   Sooner28posted 11 years ago

   Because certain religious dogma dictates that homosexuality is immoral, and people decide to selectively take THIS ASPECT of their religion seriously.
   
   It's also because the institution of marriage has been one man and one woman in the United States for awhile, and many times, people fear change just because of the fact that it is change.  Ask heterosexual people in the states where gay marriage is legal if it's affected their marriage or not, and they will tell you it hasn't.
   
   Once gay marriage does become legal, people will realize it's not the boogie man conservatives like to make it out to be, and we will move on to a new cultural issue to argue about.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      "Once gay marriage does become legal, people will realize it's not the boogie man conservatives like to make it out to be" - Sooner28
      
      I think you are being very short sighted and may have made peace with sin.

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      Sooner28posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I think you are failing to take into account the vast amount of psychological and biological evidence that homosexuality, while not completely genetic, does have a genetic component, and is not a choice.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      My friend, you are making wild assumptions that cannot be substantiated. It is but a hope and a dream that God made people gay. Because if God made people gay...then they cannot be held liable for their moral corruption. Please rethink your position.

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      Sooner28posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Okay, make your case.  Why is gay marriage immoral?

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      No...you prove to me that it is decent, wholesome, pure & healthy. Then prove to me that it is a moral activity within Biblical context, then you must explain to me why homosexuality was always seen as deviant behavior in the DSM III prior to 197

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      Sooner28posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You commented first.  You are claiming the Bible is a good guide to morality, and that homosexuality is immoral.  If you want to convince me, you must tell me WHY this is the case.  If you have any hubs about it, I'll be happy to read them.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Since God was first on the scene and said that homosexuality is, not only a sin, but an abomination, the burden of proof lies with you. If you have any hubs about how homosexuality is a decent, safe, wholesome and healthy activity - I will read them.

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      jlparkposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Sooner - Answering a challenge with a challenge proves your point.
      CJ- be a man, and rise to the challenge, instead of backing off...or are you not certain of your argument?
      Give me a day or so and I'll give you the hub you wish - with sources etc

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Try as you may, Jlpark, but you will never succeed. You are fighting an uphill battle and are full of piss and wind. You want God and creation to endorse your wretched lifestyle, but you are championing a lifestyle of death and destruction. Good luck

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       jlparkposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I will leave you in respect.  I understand your opinion, whether it is the same as mine.  What I don't respect is people using 'facts' without citing their sources - your opinions are just necessarily fact...just as mine aren't., without sources.

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       CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I need to hit the hay, but if you are open-minded and truly are seeking the truth...it is out there, but you have to be willing to dig for it...just as I have. If homosexuality was a healthy, decent and natural lifestyle, there would be no problems.

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       jlparkposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I will make a hub for us CJ - so we can have the discourse wish to have without hijacking someone's question - sound okay? I'll post it to you.
       http://jlpark.hubpages.com/hub/Honest-D … -CJ-and-JP - there you go

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   Tashaonthetownposted 11 years ago

   People think that it is unnatural and confusing for children.  It has not been a normal ritual and with everything it takes time for people to understand.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      What's to understand? The public schools condemn cigarette smoking and know that it can take 9-14 years off a person's life. But, "gay" men, on average, die 32 years before a straight male of the same age. Unhealthy to the core, they still promote it

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    j w adamsposted 11 years ago

    Simple. Marriage is between a man and a woman by definition. If 2 men or 2 women wish to commit to each other then there is now no problem legally. However, it is not a marriage . It can be a Union, a Partnership, a Commitment or whatever word may suit but it is not a marriage as that word was allocated to  man/woman relationship long ago. Those who wish to form same sex relationships in a like manner can surely agree on a word to embrace their decision. Others will no doubt use Biblical themes to reject all same sex relationships but it seems to me that long, long ago same sex relationships were forged behind the curtain so to speak. Now the curtain has been removed maybe those of us who do not seek a same sex relationship should let those who do get on with things and those who do should plough their own furrows and not seek to use terms that relate and have related, for so long to man/woman commitments. That way it will be easier for a lot of people to live and let live.

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       Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I used to think that way, but  now I think that promoting deviancy will ultimately destroy our society. Societies need to function in a common sense and natural way. Legalizing homosexual marriage will only allow homosexuality to proliferate.

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       j w adamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Sorry Ms Hill, I am not promoting "homosexual marriage" as you indicate. Just the opposite in fact if you read closely. I do however,pragmatically accept that the human condition will never be rid of homosexual relationships. They just ain"t marriage

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       Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       You said,"those of us who do not seek a same sex relationship should let those who do (seek a same sex relationship)  get on with it...." I thought you meant legal marriage. Sorry. I agree. But we have no choice in that matter anyway. Why state it?

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       j w adamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       DEMOCRACY Ms Hill, DEMOCRACY ! That is why their is need to state it. Remember, all that is needed for evil to prosper is for good people to stand by and do or say nothing. One voice maybe small, but then, none of us is a strong or loud as all of us.

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    Johanna Bakerposted 11 years ago

    Because many people still believe it is not meant to be...that marriage is about a man and a woman committing to be together for the rest of their lives and to raise a family together.

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    taburkettposted 11 years ago

    Answer - The Sheeple Factoid! 
    In other words - The immoral decay of society.

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    Borsiaposted 11 years ago

    Primarily because of religious based bigotry.
    For some reason these shallow minded people think that somehow two same sex people being married will somehow have an effect on their own marriage or other heterosexual marriages, rather silly when you stop to seriously think about it. How could it possibly have any effect what so ever?
    Again religious zealots want to inflict their beliefs on those who don’t share their beliefs. 
    These people can't accept that living in a democracy in a secular nation means that EVERYONE has the same rights under the Constitution.
    If marriage were purely a religious concept and wasn’t endlessly entwined with our laws and societal system those who say it shouldn’t be allowed might have a solid backing, but that is not possible.
    The mere fact that one must get a marriage license from the government makes being able to obtain and hold that license a right for every citizen regardless of their orientation.
    The second reason is that people with little understanding of homosexuality think they somehow understand it. This is again largely promoted by religion and religious leaders who have no real knowledge about the subject. Just one more example of religion’s degrading effect on society by divisive teachings rather than integrating with all of society.
    It is understood by most true professionals, IE Psychiatrists etc, that our orientation is hardwired at or possibly before birth.
    Studies show that children raised by same sex parents aren’t any more likely to be gay nor are single parent children.
    I have 5 step brothers. All were raised exactly the same in a heterosexual home by loving parents but one of the middle brothers is gay, while the other 4 are completely straight.
    As to it being unnatural? Questionable at best homosexuality happens in virtually every species. Dogs, cats, birds even reptiles all have their homosexuals. If it happens so widely in nature can it really be called unnatural?
    Personally I am straight but I have friends of both orientations and have had through life. Never have I had a gay friend try to “tempt” me to go gay or suggest any gay activities.

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       CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Your philosophy and belief system are part of the problem...not part of the solution.

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       Borsiaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       The solution is to grant the same rights to all under our Constitution and keep religion out of government.

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       CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Let's put religious view-points aside for one second, Borsia. Now, I want you to tell me of all the positive gains one can enjoy by practicing homosexuality. You can start with their diminished life expectancy and healthy problems and work from there

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       James Petersposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Funny. Closet gays usually speak out the LOUDEST against homosexual, trying to show the world that they're the "norm", when actually, they're the BIGGEST flame of'em all.
       Fear of NOT being accepted can be a scary.
       It's not your fault, Will Hunting.

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       Borsiaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       CJ: How are any of those things my concern? Or yours?
       Lets look at the fact that their education and income levels are far above average, allowing them a higher standard of living.
       I don't know that the life expectancy of conservative gays is shorter

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       CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       It becomes my concern when social engineers try to make homosexual practices into the norm by allowing them to marry. It becomes my problem when the public school system forces children to read books that paint this wicked perversion in a good light.

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       Borsiaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       CJ; The Constitution that grants equal rights to all is just a tool of social engineers?
       Public schools are just that, public. They are trying to teach equality and tolerance within society and bring an end to bullying and violence toward gays.

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    shelbytaylorposted 11 years ago

    I think the controversy comes from religion, mostly. Christians fear that by allowing homosexuality to proliferate, society will eventually become so evil and shrouded in sin that the world will end.
    What interests me about this train of thought is that the bible tells you that this is exactly what is going to happen- gays or no gays.
    
    "But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power ; Avoid such men as these. " 2Timothy 3:1-5
    
    I like this verse because it puts it all back in perspective. While we are all busy to find flaws or sins in others, we fail to see our own. Everyone can admit to being at least one of these things at one point or another, regardless of sexual preference.
    Don't judge others because they sin differently than you.

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       CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks for the "cotton candy" theology lesson, but you have no heart for the things of God. Your attitude is one of moral relativism and you see all things as a shade of grey. Apparently the destruction of marriage doesn't bother you in the least.

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       shelbytaylorposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Wow. Who exactly are you to tell another person that they "have no heart for the things of God"? It's "Christians" like yourself that drive people away from the church. You aren't expressing your opinion, you're expressing your hate.

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       CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       If I misunderstood you, then I am truly sorry, but it sounds like you are rationalizing gay marriage and the homosexual lifestyle, even though the Bible clearly states that this act is an abomination before God and that sexual sins are like no other.

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       calynbanaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I don't think you can get all of that out of this comment.

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       shelbytaylorposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I am rationalizing it, the same same way every other Christian tries to rationalize their own sins. The bible states that many things are abominations- Deuteronomy 22:5 for instance. Do you truly believe that I'm going to hell for wearing jeans?

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    calynbanaposted 11 years ago

    Honestly I see no issue with a homosexual couple having a legal marriage. Where I see problems arising is when a homosexual couple wants to have a marriage within a religious institution.
    
    I think this is a problem because unless you adhere to the belief systems of that institution it seems wrong to demand the ritual that the believers would participate in. It would be like asking to be baptized as an atheist. It doesn't make any sense.
    
    A marriage used to be the union of a man and a woman before the eyes of God. The marriage of two men or two women is something that God has made clear he does not want to look upon. So you would not find followers of God deciding to engage in a homosexual marriage. That means that homosexuals who are wanting to marry are not of the church, so why is that they should be able to use to church, and the traditions and rituals of the church to sanctify their union? It doesn't make sense.
    
    However in the legal sense I see no reason why they should not have all the same right and freedoms as their heterosexual counterparts.

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       CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       God gave marriage to man and woman (as a holy institution). As head of the church, God has made this very clear. Anything outside the heterosexual union is not a marriage. Holding gay marriage in churches is not the problem...it's that they exist.

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       Borsiaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       That argument falls apart when the government got involved and marriage became entwined in law and societal structure. Now it is a Constitutional right for all.

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       calynbanaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       CJ, the problem is that this is not a Christian society. It's a secular one. Trying to control peoples behavior with the Bible is not the way to lead them to God. It is the way to push them away. There are many sins , why so much focus on homosexuals

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       CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Because the public schools are not teaching children (yet) that it is okay to cheat on your spouse or that it is natural to kill your neighbor or steal what is theirs. But, they are teaching that homosexuality is normal and just another lifestyle.

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       calynbanaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       So? We live in society that glorifies sin. Not just homosexuality. But gluttony, greed, coveting, vanity, lust, etc. Persecuting another for their sins is not what Jesus told us to do. He told us to love, and share the good news.

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    CrescentSkiesposted 11 years ago

    I don't get up in arms about the whole religious side of things but in my opinion domestic partnership is the same thing as marriage from a legal standpoint.
    
    It doesn't matter whether or not homosexual marriage is suddenly legal in my opinion. If the States are forced to recognize two men or women as a legitimate couple do you think that the churches and populous that was prejudice will decide that they've changed their minds? The states can't legally force churches to marry two people, separation of church and state works both way in that aspect.
    
    In reality you'd just have a Justice of the Peace marrying the couple...and they'd have the same legal rights as if they'd gotten a domestic partnership. The only change I'm seeing is what you're being called in my opinion.
    
    I support stamping out the various legal technicalities states are trying to use against same-sex domestic partnerships but I see very little benefit in trying to implement a change that's going to be blocked by the general ignorance of people. Unless you mean to commit a massive serial killing which will wipe out more than 9/10ths of the world's population in a desperate attempt to kill all ignorant people in the planet, it ain't gonna happen. Though should you embark upon such a crusade, I'll lend you a weapon...

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       CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       The expression of homosexuality is just the tip of the ice-burg for those whose wiring is crossed. In 1973, militant homosexuals intimidated and threatened the spineless psychiatric community, such that, their malady was not placed in the DSM IV.

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       CrescentSkiesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       And how is what people do in the bedroom any part of your business? How would you feel if all of a sudden the world was reversed and being straight people were doing all you're claiming homosexuals do. Would you turn gay?

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    jlparkposted 11 years ago

    Because people fear what they don't understand.  And it is abundantly clear that there are some fearful people around, and in particular, those who don't even consider attempting to understand.  Needless to say, this is the issue - ignorance.
    
    I had read your Bible, and have considered it's history, it's stories and it's ideals.  I have also looked translations it went through prior to English - namely Aramaic and Greek, before English. Yet, whilst I understand it's requirement when it was written in it's original form, and I understand what they were trying to achieve - I do not see where the ignorance comes from.
    
    It is only the ignorant who take one or two verses out of context and based their whole argument on this - take Genesis 19, or Leviticus 18:20 etc. These are only one or two chapters/verses out of thousands, and taken out of the context they were written in.  I've written hubs on both of these examples - please read them.
    
    False facts are then presented when the current religious argument falls flat.  32 yrs, Mr Sledgehammer? Please cite your sources. And the dates on those sources.  But going on the notion that you believe that gay men die earlier - have you even considered these reasons - Cancer which can affect ANYONE, or suicide through constant bullying/hatred/bigotry from so-called "Christians" or those worried for their 'souls' instead of accepting them as god intended them to be, accidents - same risk as another other.  Or are you speaking in terms of AIDS?  New Anti-retrovirals give a normal life expectancy to people with HIV - gay, straight, black, yellow, pink. Oh, and AIDS is NOT a Gay disease - it affects anyone - the gay men or MSM (men who have sex with men) are often safest - they know to use condoms, etc.  Straight people think "it's not going to happen to me" - so they don't take proper precautions.
    
    You keep quoting 'gay men" - what about lesbians? Gay women have the same life expectancy as straight ones.  Except in suicide stats as teenagers.
    
    Who's killing them? Those who are fearful, and ignorant.  Treating them as second class citizens (denying equality is telling them they aren't worthy), and exposing hatred.
    
    We take the time to get to know your religious tenets, and understand them for the love that they are about, rather than the hatred in which they are used.  We give you the respect of learning about you - can you not give us the same respect and learn about us, from places other than Family First?
    
    It's a shame.

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       CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Why is it that heterophobes keep calling people "ignorant" who see them for what they really are? What exactly is it that we don't know about the wretched gay lifestyle? I say maroon them all on an island and let them go at it. In 50 yrs they're done

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       jlparkposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       What exactly are we, CJ? Other than just as God made us?
       I get tired of your baseless judgement, and endless generalisations about a group of people you know nothing at all about.
       Back up your statements, then ignorance won't be a problem, will it?

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       CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       What is so mysterious about homosexuals? You act as though they are an undiscovered species or something. By the way, God only creates that which is good. If He created people to be "gay", He would not have condemned them for it. Educate yourself.

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       jlparkposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Nothing mysterious - yet you know nothing of us.
       Educate yourself .Gen 19 is not about homosexuality see Ezekiel for Jesus' view on this, Lev - we follow no other laws why that one? Corinthians-Paul, not God. Jesus-nothing at all about it. Any more?

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       CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I see the problem now...you are willfully ignorant and desperately seeking validation of a pathetic and disgusting way of life. You will not stop until you convince the world...but at the end of the day - you are still not convinced yourself.

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       jlparkposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Again, name calling.  You have no basis on which to call me as such.  I took the time to learn about your religion, yet when I provide backing using the source you use, you have no comeback but name calling.  Sad.

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       calynbanaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       CJ I think that your comments are flat out unloving. We need to have a balance of truth and grace in our speech with others. Judging others for your perception of their sins in not your job. It is Gods.

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       Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       O.K. people are people and God loves everyone equally. If we allow men and women to get married, we should also allow homosexuals to get married. As long as they truly love each other. fine. Why do you want to persuade ME so badly?

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       jlparkposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Because we are human. All entitled to respect, and human rights.  Because I want to prevent any of your children or grandchildren from experiencing your intolerance, should they happen to be gay. Oh, and I'm tired of the same old arguments against us

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    Any Other Voiceposted 11 years ago

    I honestly don't know what the big deal is; it just seems like an issue for people to preoccupy themselves with while bigger problems are going on right under their upturned noses.
    And the whole religious debate seems ridiculous to me; God sanctioned the union of man and woman in marriage but he never told anyone to run around forcing their beliefs on other people. If you don't like it, you don't do it, end of story.
    I'm a Christian personally, and it disgusts me to see people so intolerant. And you wonder why there is no peace?

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       taburkettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       The big problem is that government loves the chaos so they can expand their hold on the citizens.  The problem is that government supports the immoral factions which provide a greater risk of social destruction for the nation.

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       Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Q. Can allowing the institution of marriage for same sexes destroy our society?
       A.  Y: If it is a natural abomination for the majority... which it is....it would be very stressful for individuals, families, communities, and the society at large.

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       jlparkposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Kathryn - how exactly is it stressful to the majority? If you don't want a same sex marriage - don't get one. No one is forcing u or anyone to do so. Please explain your comment in more depth.

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       Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       It is psychologically hard for straight people to deal with SS marriage. It's COMMON sense. The majority of people are straight... Not out of prejudice, just natural preference. Why should a minority be allowed to offend the majority.

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       calynbanaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       That is dangerous thinking Kathryn. When people engage in homosexual acts that is another choice God gave them. Whether he agrees with their choice or not he respects it. We need to follow suit. We will make our own choices that people deem wrong.

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       Borsiaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I'm straight and it is absolutely nothing to me.
       KLH: Having religious zealots trying to force their beliefs on me is a much bigger stress and most of the people I know say the same.
       So maybe we should do away with religion, based on your argument?

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       calynbanaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       That is why I said it was dangerous thinking What do you mean by forcing beliefs. How does one force their beliefs on anyone? At most you can share your beliefs, I cannot see how forcing is possible.

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       Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       we are talking about making the marriage between two consenting same sex adults legal. Forget about the rights of the same sex people... What does it do to society?  On a psychological level?  It depresses most of us.  bla.

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       Any Other Voiceposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       That's ridiculous. It's the same mentality that men used during the woman's suffrage movement- it's a "natural abomination", it will DESTROY OUR SOCIETY... no, it didn't. Homosexual individuals are part of our society, whether you like it or not.

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        Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        Why don't you ask taburkett. He started all this by bringing up, "immoral factions."  Well, can immoral factions provide a greater risk of social destruction for the nation?  BTW Women are not an immoral faction. (I hope)

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        Borsiaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        Cbana; in this case they are trying to prohibit gays from having equal rights for reasons solely based on their religion based beliefs as to what is “morality”.  To a great number of us Marriage just a legal contract of partnership based on love.

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        jlparkposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        Kathryn, in that case - what if I find straight marriage 'stressful'? Shall we deny anyone them? I'm gay but my marriage doesn't affect you/rs one bit - just as yours doesn't affect me. Who gave u the right to speak on behalf of the majority? No one.

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        Any Other Voiceposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        It's always good to hear every voice, but with all this controversy, certain ones become the loudest- and that's where things go bad.

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        Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        Well, then why did prop 8 pass in CA????

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        Any Other Voiceposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/politics … 76081.html

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        jlparkposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        Why did Prop 8 pass? Because it was worded in a way the people weren't sure whether it was yes for marriage equality, or no to discrimination. It didn't pass by much at all in the scheme of things. Oh and CA isn't everyone. U didn't give an answer.

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        Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        Because straight people are the majority. I guess when it becomes  the other way around, then I will have to put up with it. I like lost dog's thinking, (if my decoding was right)

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        Any Other Voiceposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        Excuse me, did anyone bother to check out my link?
        
        Also, according to KLH's decoding, "Real men and women don't give a damn about gayness. They just don't want to be involved in (gayness) it or have it around them." Sounds like you DO give a damn.

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        jlparkposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        AOV - yup, I've just read it. - Good, I hope it's found unconsitutional.
        KLH - being white in America used to be/still is the majority - By your reasoning, denying black and hispanic people their marriage rights (again) would be acceptable.

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        Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        I was just going along with taburkett. If you do not think same sex marriage could hurt the nation in any way. fine. Maybe you are right. I hope you are. Because I do not think this is something we can stop. unfortunately for me.

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        Borsiaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        KLH; How is this unfortunate for you? How will it affect your life or your relationships?
        The number of gays isn’t going to change if they are given their right to marry. I seriously doubt that they are going to come visit you any more than they do n

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        Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        You know, the gays that I know are very likable. Oh well, they can marry each other. If they make good parents, all the better. Ur rite, it won't really change my life or any one else's. Bring it on.

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    lostdogrwdposted 11 years ago

    men are just afraid infected with gay for how can a man want a man when there women. real men and women don't give a damm about that ,just don't want it in or around them

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       Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Decoded: Men are just afraid to be infected with gayness. For how can a man want a man when there are women? Real men and women don't give a damn about gayness. They just don't want to be involved in (gayness) it or have it around them.

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       jlparkposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Funny thing is, it's not contagious. Or even an illness.
       Homophobia on the other hand - phobias are usually mental health issues.

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       Borsiaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       JP; how true. Many are afraid that it could happen to them. They think that if they were to shake hands with a gay they might become one.
       They don’t realize that they have probably shaken hundreds of gay hands and just don’t know it.

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       jlparkposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I'll shake their hand if they respect me enough to shake mine.  I'll show them it's not catching.  Hell, God made me this gay - the only choice is to be  proud of it, and not ashamed.  Regardless of what others try to say or do.

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    matama ellieposted 11 years ago

    This is a question that my country is grappling with and i have very strong opinions on this matter, so here goes:
    I think that gay relationships are not something acceptable within the African context and many native languages do not even have a name for homosexuality.
    That said, my argument is based on the religious perspective mostly.
    I have always asked myself why the Bible does not condone homosexuality and i have come to the conclusion that men were created to have a sexual relationship with women and not their fellow men and vice versa.
    It is my observation(correct me if i am wrong, please) that in a relationship of two gay men or women, the dominated male will take the characteristics that are more feminine and the dominant woman usually acts more manly.
    
    From a Christian perspective, that is not the way it was meant to be, i think.I personally believe that God meant for men to be men and behave like men and women to be women and behave like women and when the two parties behave in a manner opposite to what they were meant to be, it makes God sad and unhappy.
    
    Marriage from God's perspective (from a christian perspective) is meant to be between a man and a woman and not two people of the same sex.I think each sex brings something to the table that would otherwise not have been there if they belong to similar sexes.
    If gay people want to marry they may fight for that right under the law, but not under certain religions.to try and force people to change their beliefs to accommodate what they consider as against their faith is to try and undermine their religious rights.Any gay couple wanting to marry in church(i disagree with that by the way) should join a religion that supports that kind of marriage as opposed to forcing religious institutions that fundamentally disagree with that to accommodate them.That way everyone gets what they ask for and accept the consequences of their actions based on their faith.
    
    The issue is complicated i think, because gay men and women have a right to be gay yet the Bible does not agree with that.In my opinion, if someone is gay(i know one person and he was a nice guy) i would choose to pray for that person and tell him or her i think what they are doing is wrong (religiously and culturally) and just let God work.Killing gays is bad and hypocritical of the religious and cultural masses because it is not also acceptable.I may not approve of homosexuality but i do not hate because of it either.

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    jodeciposted 11 years ago

    Same sex relationships is controversial because of the various religious and biblical beliefs. I grew up in a Christian household, however, I currently do not follow any religious denomination and I remember being bombarded with sermons and messages that forbade same sex relationships not alone marriage.
    
    I love for people to be happy no matter what. As long as it is a strong, supportive, respectable relationship it does not matter to me that the couple is gay, however, I can not see myself in this type of relationship, I do not down people for their sexual orientation/preferences. We all have a choice to live our lives the way we want to as long as we are not harming others and we are happy.

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    Sarah Christinaposted 11 years ago

    There is so much controversy because both sides view themselves as being absolutely right. Here are the facts that I know:
    
    (This is the Christian perspective for those of you who don't understand it or think they are being bigots) God does not hate gay people. God hates sin. Yes, homosexuality is considered a sin, but all sin is equal in God's eyes. If you are truly repentant of your sins, God forgives you. That is problem #1: Homosexuals believe they are born with the desire for the same gender, which means they will never repent of it because they consider it OK. How Christians view it, is there should be no condoning of ANY sins. They choose to focus on  homosexuality in particular not because they are bigots (generally speaking, I'm sure some are bigots) but because of all the sins, it's the only one that society is trying to make legal and OK.
    
    Problem #2: The definition of marriage is defined as being between 1 man and 1 woman. Supporters of same sex marriage want to change this definition. Those who support traditional marriage do so not because they think it will affect their personal marriage, but because doing so will ruin the institution of marriage and make it meaningless. This has already happened to a certain degree since marriage became secularized and recognized by the law, especially with the 50% divorce rate. With that being said, if marriage was no longer defined as just being between a man and a woman, people would then fight for the right to have polygamous marriages, or maybe marriages to their believed cat or dog, or to their favorite tree. It wouldn't matter because the definition was altered and therefore became meaningless. This is why Christians believe it will ruin the institution of marriage. Once you start changing 1 rule, it's only a matter of time before all rules go out the door.
    
    Problem #3: Homosexuality either is or isn't a choice. Homosexuals like to argue that it isn't a choice, but if that was true, explain bi-sexuality? I've known a few that ended up getting married to the opposite sex in the end, choosing to be heterosexual. Logically, that would suggest that it is indeed a choice. I also knew an open-minded psychotherapist who supported gay rights. However, he explained to me that homosexuality often occurred from a childhood trauma of some sort, he had more than 1 patient he helped realize that they weren't gay at all. The trauma essentially turned them off to the opposite gender. While I do believe in a small % of cases the wires get crossed, most people are not born gay. Also, if it's not a choice, explain "flippers." For those who don't know, flippers are gays or lesbians that go around only trying to seduce straight people. If being gay or straight wasn't a choice, then flipping wouldn't exist either.  Another way to view it is, you choose who you want to sleep with, just like you choose what you want to eat (you have your natural cravings, but that doesn't mean you have to give in to them because they usually aren't healthy).
    
    I've witnessed a gay pride parade, and all I can say is that it wasn't just promoting "equal rights." It was promoting "lets express ourselves however we want." I saw people riding bicycles naked, dudes dressed up as leather daddies carrying whips and collars, basically every sexually deviant thing you can think of, all being displayed and promoted. It's not just sexual equality they want, it's total sexual freedom they are promoting. If you want to do those thing

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       Borsiaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       SC; your main argument is based on religion that is not shared by many.
       Changing the definition to "2 consenting adults" doesn't let the cat, dog, whatever into the bed.
       There is no proven cause to homosexuality most believe that they are born gay.

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       Sarah Christinaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       actually Christianity is shared by many...most people believe in a higher power of some sort, even if they aren't christian. I was merely explaining the perspective, because the question asked why is it so controversial. I have gay friends, btw.

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       Borsiaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Perhaps; but the Constitution applies to all.
       The day marriage moved out of churches into law it became a right for everyone regardless of belief or lack thereof, regardless of sexual orientation.
       As an atheist I can marry, why shouldn’t everyone?

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    FredBhaiposted 11 years ago

    It's controversial because its uncommon!!!

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