Are males in the 20 to 40 age group bigger whiners than older men?
Do we have a whole new segment of whiny males? As a Baby Boomer I don't ever remember the men of the "Greatest Generation" complaining and whining about things. Am I wrong in my observation?
yep you're right ... but i think it applies to both genders. the previous generations didn't complain as much... they just did what needed to be done and that was that.
Maybe you are right. It seems as though many today chime in with, "It's not fair." Whenever I hear that I just want to scream "So what! Life isn't fair, so do something about it." Am I being too hard?
I don't think you are being too hard. We have become a culture that blames everyone else for whatever happens to us. We not only blame others but whine and complain about it instead of doing something.
In America, it is commonly promoted to be a lazy, irresponsible slob (praise be welfare!), while the middle-class working stiffs have to foot the bill. So, lets not forget about the ones who complain that are tired of carrying the weight of others!
@pagesvoice... i don't think you're being hard.
@duffsmom ... i agree its becoming a part of the culture.
@insanemundane... you get a LOT more benefits than other countries provide to their people yet you still complain. that's the problem.
@arksys: You stereotype countries while ignoring the obvious, major problems of humanity; that's your problem.
Good question. I think both men and women today feel more entitled to things so when things, life, situations, etc...don't go as we want them to--not necessarily how we worked or planned for them to, but how we want them to--we tend to complain about it.
I have to say the more people I get to know, the higher the age range might go up. I talk to people of varying ages and they seem to complain or whine without actively pursuing opportunities to change things. That's one thing older men and women seem to do more readily: act.
I'd say from my own experience the answer is "yes." I have a 96-year old Dad who has neuropathy and is confined in a nursing home. Except for stating (and not whining) that he'd rather be home with my mom (they will have been married for 73 years in October) working in his wood shop, and feeding his birds, he doesn't complain (much less, whine) about anything.
I, however, whine about my gray hair, stiff knees and wrinkles all the time!!
I actually wouldn't say so.
I know a lot of men in both age groups, and whining seems to be more a function of personality than generation.
I know whiney young bucks and older dudes, and I know stoics in both generations
Great question. I'd have to say yes. Once you've reached the late 50's and beyond you've pretty much realized the whining nerver did any good anyway! I have a couple of sons in the 20 to 40 category. I always offer crackers and cheese to go with their whine when it starts up.
I think they are bigger whiners. I've never heard my 82-year-old dad, my 78-year-old stepdad, my now passed grandfather or any other man older than me whine, complain or anything like that.
Well, I have two grown kids, son (24) and daughter (22). I never hear them whine. I never hear their friends whine. My nephews and nieces never whine.
I, on the other hand, whine a lot... and I'm over 40... waaaaay over 40. lol
Sometimes my son (never my daughter, she is nice) would tell me "Mom, if it bothers you so much, stop going there!" or something to that effect. hmmmph! But, he got a point.
In which context are you talking about? Working people are complaining, people looking for work are complaining, graduates are complaining, honestly, people of all ages are complaining in every aspect of their life.
Whiny might not be the best description. I do understand where you are coming from though. I am rare in the land of thirty somethings and can definitely see that younger generations (younger then baby boomers) are getting lazy and loosing ethics, values, morals, etc.
Individuals in my generation do not want to work in the traditional manner that their parents did. I can relate. There is something to be said about making a living outside of the 9-5 crunch. Thanks to technology we can do that now, but it is creating a work force that clocks in to work and logs in to Facebook to play their favorite game. Where are the ethics? One of my friends employees who (a 22 year old male) just "fired themselves" because they had not shown up to work and had no desire to in the first place. What is that?
Funny question, I pondered this question only to realize that most 20-40 are the children of the baby boomers. Leading to my answer, I do notice they both whine quite a bit. I've observed in my surroundings that the baby boomers are always whining about their ungrateful younger generation. While the younger generation whines about the baby boomers complaining about how they turned out. Which leads to the conclusion of an example - If the parents are Catholic then there is going to be a very high percentage that their children will be as well.
I hope my answer is only seen as my opinion and not taken with intentions of insult in anyway shape or form.
On that note, we have to find the source that lead to the younger whiners.
I hope you see were I'm going with this without saying, kinda hard not to disagree.
Cruelkindness (Subliminally Thoughtless)
Where have you been??? Give them a chance, and they all whine.
Some interesting answers and observations. I do not know if the word whiners is the best word. I think the age group you mentioned, 20 to 40, expect more. When hear that 40 is the new 30 and 30 is the new 20, it tells me that we have a lot of people who have not yet matured, partially because their parents let them and because some things came to easy for them.
When they get on their own and find out, they are not going to start at the salary as someone with 20 years of experience, then they think they are being treated unfairly. When adults in that group find out that their parents did not sign on to be full-time baby sitters, they (men and women) start to wine.
I do not know if technology, the changing job situation, the idea that you must have a college degree--masters if possible--and that the world owes you a living, is causing the attitude we are facing today.
No for the most part you are not wrong. I have one guy who works with me who is 25 and he is what I call a girl because all he does is complain and moan about work, life, and everything else. I don't get it. It's not like he works hard he fills prescriptions and mixes drugs sitting on his butt. How hard can that be? Nothing to complain about for sure
over 40 and now whining big time
Why does having negative behavior make him"a girl"?
Are women are lazier/more whiney/ more (insert bad thing here)?
Women, like men, can be tough, hardworking, smart or the reverse
Please don't insult women
Pretty acurate and precise, all the chicks which is basically all my coworkers sit about gossiping and taking coffee breaks, and wonder why I think they are lazy.
and most of the women in the medical facilities where I work are constantly on their feet and doing things, while many of the men sit and tell stories and talk philosophy
Without a doubt. I agree that both genders are involved. If you want to listen to a statement that will give you an automatic headache, ask one about their pay levels. They will moan and piss and whine about a starting pay level that is so high, you would think they would get nose bleeds.
And also. This is my secret peeve until now. Modern young Americans talk through their noses. My mother's generation the "greatest generation" sought out a pronounced vocal style emanating from the chest.
And, the way their voices go up at the end of their sentences, it's like they were all genetically engineered at a mall in "The Valley".
"Whining" as a behavioral manifestation is a statement that 1) you feel that you have been unjustly treated 2) others should care about how you feel and 3) if you complain loudly that somehow someone will give you something to alleviate your suffering and 4) that making your whining complaint gives you more status.
It is disquieting that if we ever really go through hard times again that we will have population groups that will not know what "shut up" and "roll up your sleeves" means.
Well it depends in modern times men need to give voice to their issues, father's rights, rising unemployment and hostile college environments all need to be known and fought, but as more men become feminized I think they will just whine its sort of what is expected of them I mean I got some weird as looks when I didn't care if I had a shirt that didn't match my jeans just right.
Maybe its a cultural thing, I don't know, but I get the feeling that people over 60 tend tend to whine a lot, finding fault in everything everyone else does, and this is coming from experience
Yes, I do think so.
I was well into my adulthood, before I even knew, that my Grandfather had been a POW in WW1...............WW11 had come and gone, and the height of Viet Nam was on.............still, it took the death of my beloved Grandmother, for this man to tell his story.
He NEVER took a cent, or an outtake from his government. NO governement aid, no spoils of fortune, no complaints............he never, once, spoke of bad memories.
He went, did his duty, and then.......he came home, and was productive.
I truly salute our soldiers......but if you " give "............stop telling me about how much you " gave".
I think you are right. The people older than 40 were brought up in the 40's, 50's and 60's..... When the children 'got little, and did more' which made them tougher, and not complainers. Now it's the opposite......
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