Will it create further confusion and chaos? Or enhance intergration if we encour

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   threekeysposted 8 years ago

   Will it create further confusion and chaos? Or enhance intergration if we encourage our
   
   little ones to choose which gender they identify with? Will androgeny and/or fuzzied delineated roles in society ultimately improve our society and /or the quality of our relationships and relating?
   
   

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   gmwilliamsposted 8 years ago

   
   
   While most children identify themselves as male or female, there are those who feel instinctively of the opposite gender.  Such children should be encouraged to be the gender they identify with until they change into the designated gender.
   
   Gender specifications are becoming more liberalized & wider. Although gender is based upon one's physiognomy, many gender traits are societal based.  Men & women are raised to act in according to cultural, familial &/or societal specifications. Some cultures, familial, &/or societal specifications & rules as to gender, gender identification & gender specific behavior are more rigid while others are more liberal. 
   
   Also with each succeeding generation, the idea of gender, gender identification, gender roles, & specific gender behaviors are becoming more liberalized, if not more fluid.  The concept of androgyny is becoming more accepted as people refuse to define themselves by strict, dichotomous gender identifications & roles.  They are embracing their masculine & feminine selves.  This is far more healthier than adhering to strict definitions as to what is gender which oftentimes led to oppression & repression as to anything outside strict gender specifications.

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      tamarawilhiteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Gender dysphoria is a mental illness, and it should be treated as a mental illness, not modifying the body to suit the delusion. The untreated mental illness is why even the "transitioned" kill themselves as often as the unchanged.

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      threekeysposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting points..

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      MsLowrieposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      See the treatments recommended https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditi … -dysphoria

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   Setank Setunkposted 8 years ago

   Will what create confusion? What is "it".
   Children have always chosen which gender they identify with and they always will. It has nothing to do with dresses and baseball caps, Barbies or toy cars. They also figure out at an early age rather or not they fit typical heterosexual masculine/feminine alignments: Although finding what fits best can take much longer.
   We need only allow them to be who they want to be.

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      tamarawilhiteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      There are grown men saying they are little girls and people saying they are animals. We can and should discuss social roles like stay at home fathers, but that doesn't mean cater to the delusional who deny biological reality.

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   WordCrafter09posted 8 years ago

   While I'm far from qualified to address any issues that may/may not have roots in "some genetic thing that happened to one extent or another" (and will therefore not even factor that type of thing into my reply)....
   
   With each of my three children my thinking, at the start, was that my first job was to raise a human first.  I figured the main stuff related to their sex/ gender would kick in as each child got closer to the age when that happens.  My thinking from Day 1 (close to Day 1) was, "I'll do everything I know and can to give you the best shot at the things that mothers of babies are supposed to give their child - and let's just see, as you get beyond your earliest months, what unfolds with regard to what kind of little person you are, what kind of things you like, etc., and I'll let that (you) be my guide."  I didn't worry about the pink/blue thing when they were infants and too young to know whether they were wearing pink or pastel blue as infants, and as my sons got to beyond the first two years I let them wear the colors that were available in little boys' clothes, but also the kind of clothes that a) seemed right for the kind of little boy each was, and b) did not emphasize any stereotypical "boy stuff".
   
   My job was to try to help them like who/what they were, and I had a real "thing" about people who said, "I hope you have a girl because you "dress" a girl".  I LOVED "dressing" my little boys (in other words, caring about/valuing who/what they were as little people who happened to be little boys).  Some things they wore could have been worn by either girls or boys.  Color sometimes made the difference in preschool/early-school stuff..
   
   When I did have a daughter I used the same kind of approach but in different colors and with a few more style options.
   
   Children tell us what they don't like or want to wear, or sometimes it's obvious that one thing or another doesn't look quite right on them (or feel right to them).
   
   All we can do is try to respect,value, and try to help them like what they are when clothes and toys are the main issues; and aim to help them know that (regardless of the mix of things they are/like, but also sometimes because of it) it is they (not anyone else) who defines what a girl/boy is just by being who/what they are while they're still a girl/boy.
   
   I think THAT is the message that everyone (adults, schools, children) needs to get and get out there.   Maybe there'd be at least a little less confusion/misery for SOME kids

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      threekeysposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      A warm and holistic approach for me...

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      tamarawilhiteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      We can discuss gender roles without denying biological sex.

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   tamarawilhiteposted 8 years ago

   Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. You never encourage a mental illness but treat it - and only in the case of transgenderism do we say, for the sake of politics, sure,  mutilate your body. Any other dysphoria, like saying your leg isn't your leg, and we lock you up before you cut off body parts.
   If you believe there is a one in five rape rate for young women, it is better to say no to any man in any situation no matter his excuse getting to use women's bathrooms, changing rooms, shelters, accommodations than risk one predator gaining access to women in a vulnerable position. The fact that 75%+ of these transgender/dysphoria cases are men and less than a quarter have the male plumbing removed means most of them are intact men in dresses, often still sexually attracted to women, demanding that per their feelings we have to trust they won't rape women while standing next to them in a locker room or really be a pervert wanting to take pictures of them.
   I know this happens, I've been sexually harassed by one, and HR said the problem was me not validating his feelings, not his perverted actions and words.
   
   Transgender sex crimes
   https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/sexua … to-assault
   http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local … 41101.html
   http://komonews.com/news/local/police-s … ocker-room http://komonews.com/archive/police-man- … s-bathroom http://www.eastbayexpress.com/92510/arc … ocker-room
   http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/2 … 96651.html https://news.uns.purdue.edu/x/2008a/080 … ceVPA.html
   
   And if you want to treat the mental illness, you don't do it by mutilating the body to suit the delusion but treat the delusion. We don't let people with schizophrenia have reconstructive surgery to look like what they think they are. 
   We can talk about shifting gender roles like the rise of stay at home fathers and women rising up the corporate ladders.
   However, lock up the nuts, and don't endanger women and children for the sake of a fad encouraged by liberals who want to say gender is so fluid you can change it by changing clothes and wishing so or having massive surgery and doses of hormones, all because feminists want to say biological sex is a social construct.

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      dashingscorpioposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Gender dysphoria: condition of feeling one's emotional & psychological identity as male or female to be opposite to one's biological sex. "the mismatch between body and internal sense of gender is not a mental illness." http://www.webmd.com/men

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      No, it is more likely a genetic defect.
      No matter how you look at it, it is not normal.
      The brain cannot override biology.
      Wouldn't you want to fix this problem, then embrace it as a new normal?

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      dashingscorpioposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      If a person is happy with (their decision) it doesn't affect me. Normal clearly means {the vast majority}. I believe it's human nature for most people to want to conform. This might explain their stress levels. They wish they "felt normal".

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      threekeysposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Tamara for me you are someone who can flip my thinking upside down and I need time to absorb and digest what you have said. It doesn't necessarily means I agree with your angle but it certainly gets me thinking.

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      MsLowrieposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Webmd is to be trusted about as much as Wikipedia. You're better off looking at NIH or even Psychology Today.
      https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditi … -dysphoria

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   bradmasterOCcalposted 8 years ago

   Yes there are more than just male and female out there today, but that doesn't mean that we should change biology and normality to embrace an anomaly.
   
   If there is a lot of babies born with six toes on each foot should we all get fitted for new shoes. Or should we figure out what is wrong with the babies.
   Do we really want to mutate human nature to conform to abnormality?
   Humans are not like the animal kingdom where survival of the fittest and only they can procreate. Humans let genetic defects propagate from generation to generation. And while that is human, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to fix it.
   
   Instead of fixing it we have been socially engineered to revere it, and make it more plentiful. Why is that a good thing?
   
   We can still treat them like people, but we shouldn't have to shift the normal deviation to their deviation. That would make us the abnormal or the tail wagging the dog.
   
   When you have to misuse the body to have sexual relations, then it tells you this is not normal. They cannot procreate so it is just like auto sex.

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      tamarawilhiteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The one in a thousand biological errors do not invalidate a male/female sexual standard of the species.

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      They do if they take up the US government to make things redefined and special for them.

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   dashingscorpioposted 8 years ago

   
   
   It's highly doubtful this would cause a great deal of confusion.
   Worldwide less than 5% of the population identifies itself as LGBTQ.
   The confusion if there is any is why anyone cares about how other people identify themselves, love, or marry.
   Life is a (personal) journey!

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      tamarawilhiteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      When a mentally ill biologically intact man sexually attracted to women or pervert claiming to be such enters a women's changing room naked and says you can't say anything, my rights trump yours, yes, we care.

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      dashingscorpioposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Why are we making the leap to illegal and pervert behavior? Naturally anyone breaking the law should be prosecuted. I believe in the end there will be changing rooms with locks for (one person at a time) much like one's own home bathroom.

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   Readmikenowposted 8 years ago

   Children change and develop so much as they grow up.  I'd say this is something that needs to be addressed when they are adults.

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      tamarawilhiteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The other reason not to do so in children is that 80-90% of those who say they are the opposite gender resolve the issue, so giving hormones and pushing surgery actually prevents it being solved for most children who report it.

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   MsLowrieposted 8 years ago

   I do not think it does any good at all. In fact, it is an abomination. We were created to be of the genders in which we were born for a reason, and even my gay mother agrees with that - which is kind of funny, because while she prefers that women look like teenage boys (haircuts, anyway), she does prefer femininity as well.

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      tamarawilhiteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The irony is how many "transgenders" then ape out the worst gender stereotypes, as if that's what makes one male or female.

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      MsLowrieposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      True. My son (who is 21) has also noticed that there are a lot of gay men who feel the need to speak with lisps in high-pitched (i.e.: feminine-sounding) southern accents (even when their accents aren't naturally of any southern dialect).

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