"DIRTY" sex
The santity religion upholds as a virtue. The act of sex is only permitted between two married adults. This tradition is still handed down generation to generation, age after age, and mixed up differently in all cultures.
The is no uniformed view, because of religious doctrines and views, and influence.
one time we visted some friends who had two daughters. one was 5 and one was 13. this was before my son was born. anyway, we were all having dinner then settled in to watch Midnight Express. i am sure you know how awful that film is. great, but not for children by any stretch. anyway, their 5-year-old was running in and out and watching it and i said 'um, should she be watching this?' and they go 'oh yeah kids are resilient' and the film got worse as it progressed, and she watched many of the awful scenes, including where Billy goes berserk and pulls that man's tongue out with his teeth. the girl's eyes got as big as saucers and i tried to distract her, and they said 'reLAX, geeze, it's all fake!' and she continued to watch it, then the one scene that was a shining moment in the film...the one moment where he finds his humanity again, when his girlfriend visits him and bares her breasts to him, they leaped up and covered her eyes going 'DON'T LOOK!'....
oh boy.
i think in general, Americans are uptight about sex and glorify violence to some degree.
Hey qwark, trying to stir the pot?
By the same token sex abusers get way more outrage in the populace than killers. Always puzzled me
Definitely has to do with bible, and the culture built over it.No apparent conclusions other that this phenomenon is specific to judeo-christian-muslim group of religions. They all despise sex and accept violence - just read the books. But I bet you read them already.
That is a great question. Watching the act of human butchering vs watching the act of human pleasure. One would think that human pleasure would be far more acceptable. Maybe it is just acceptable insanity?
- TheVerbalAxiomposted 15 years ago
0 Yes, sir I do.
I believe that He has all power and authority. I believe that through Him Jesus Christ and appointed others created the Earth. I believe that creation has no beginning and no end. I believe that through the authority and power of the chain of Gods uncounted worlds have been created and destroyed but all with a common purpose - the immortality and eternal life of man.
I believe the essential part of the design of our existence as well as Earth and all other worlds that have been, are and will yet be is the principle of agency or the ability to choose. Through this ability to choose we are able to opt to pervert and distort the very things that are holy in nature. That is part of the vice in all things. Yet still it's agency.
I believe that man's design must be viewed in a much broader perspective than just the death and destruction that goes on here in life. I believe that God has such an eternal outlook on the potential of man. The Adversary, however, does not have this ability. His outlook is shortsighted and seeks immediate gratification and extends that hunger to all of us through temptation. This is essential to understand. God is able to use the shortsighted plans of the Adversary for the greater good. The individual battles and scenic bloodshed of warfare through rage is of the Adversary but in the long outlook God's will must triumph.
These thoughts link to the threads question. The purpose of sexual appetites are, at base, sacred in nature and have an eternal purpose. However, we through the Adversary, have the agency to pervert this ability and do so often. We also kill and murder people and beasts for personal gratification. God has deemed certain bloodshed for higher purposes yet man has perverted those purposes to match the Adversary's and thus feels "justified" in their actions.
We as a people shun, degrade or outright reject God for the simple reason of all the disgust in the world. On the flipside it exists for the very reason we all rejoiced for Him in the beginning - agency. He allows these things as part of His promise to us - that we would have the ability to choose in this life. However, He decides the consequences not us and we desecrate His name when we disapprove of those consequences.
I am getting long-winded again but I do thank you in advance for a respectable conversation quark.
- L. Andrew Marrposted 15 years ago0
You need to account for the fact that author(s) of this definition belongs to the culture deeply rooted in judeo-christian religion.
LOL The point pretty much was that everything is in the eyes of the beholder.
This particular definition of porn bears negative connotation, which I would attribute to beholders - who are no doubt of western culture (they speak english, right?), which is based on judeo-christian religion.
To me quite a bit of what western people define as porn does have artistic (or rather aesthetic, to be precise) value, otherwise I don't bother looking at it
My mind needs a good scrubbing then! heck!
Your point is made very well indeed.
I really want to live in Paris for a year because I think it'll inspire my artistic temprement (I'm currently an 18yr old student but am going on to do English Literature and Creative Writing next year at university - from there I want to become an author).
I don't see what you see in the Mona Lisa though, she just isn't the woman for me
'Andromeda' by Gustave Dore however, phwoooorrrrrAndromeda - Gustave Dore:
http://www.illusionsgallery.com/Andromeda-Dore.html
La Promenade - Claude Monet
http://www.artquotes.net/masters/monet/la-promenade.htm
Two of my favourite paintings
hey, did you know that art historians are conducting tests on the Mona Lisa (facial comparisons, etc. with computer software) to see if the Mona Lisa is really a self portrait by DaVinci?
I saw that. The question has come up many times there was no way to answer it with proof. Maybe they'll finally figure it out now.
I guess this thread should be re-classified into Religion section
Nah Megs, I think they don't. If those souls were not conditioned to believe that sex is dirty, no special harm would be possible. Our culture's mantra that sex is an evil all by itself is mainly responsible for psychological problems following sex abuse.
oh good grief, are you for real?
sex abusers DON'T brutalize the souls of their victims?
it is the simple fact that a culture says sex is dirty is what actually causes the brutalization? and "no special harm would be possible" if not for societal "hang-ups"?
and cultural perception that sex is evil is what causes psychological problems in children who are victimized in this fashion?
really?
exactly how does a two- or three-year-old child have any concept of sex, good or bad? no one tells a very small child how "evil" sex is. there are adults who sexually abuse infants. and you say that that in and of itself isn't what brutalizes them, sometimes beyond repair?
it amazes me that you can't even consider how heinous the scenario in itself is: a giant adult using a tiny innocent child who has no concept of sex in any capacity at all in such a horrible fashion against their will -
ugh, whatever Misha.No need to apologize, you did not abuse me in any way
I did not specifically address child molesters, but I did not exclude them either. What I said refers to those cases, too. I still maintain that sex abuse really hurts as any other abuse because of the violence involved - and the sexual part of it gives extra problems only because of our culture's take on sex. Hope this makes sense.
I don't see any contradiction here Aya, all what you said is still rooted in our cultural prejudices, which in turn stem from judeo-christian brand of religion. Guilty as charged in not naming all of them though.
Makes sense, thanks for clarifying it
Cosette, you are too emotional about the issue to have any rational discussion. And I am not interested in a slinging match.
Hey, glad you are back! You tend to disappear without warning, aren't you
me?
I disappear only on weekends.
right now I dont have a phone cord long enough to reach my living room, to go online I need to move my whole huge desktop to the kitchen and stuff...not to mention...hubby is home on weekends.
or if I get booted offline..
LOL This explains it. Happy Monday then!
TGIM
Yeah, you are right of course. There is so much fear condensed in that topic that rational discussion is just impossible... I am outta here
Yes please, how much....sorry wrong number
Sex needs to be dirty to be sex.
i agree, the dirtier the better
- StormRyderposted 15 years ago0
- sneakorocksolidposted 15 years ago0
Sex or porn is the real thing, death and destruction are fantasy. Adult material should only be on TV after 10pm and children shouldn't see either. It's our job to protect them from garbage and give them a chance to form their own opinions. Try and be a responsible adult instead of a self serving twit,
I don't think they should watch either but if I had to choose one over the other I would opt for fantasy. We are a G-PG family and choose to be that way. I'm not willing to judge any adult behavior what you choose is your buisness but their children they should protected from adult material. Let's face it they'll be adults a whole lot longer than they'll be kids. As adults we should let kids be kids. If you're a parent or gaurdian of children your focus should be on raising good healty kids and let them make their own choices when they are prepared to make choices and they understand the consequences.
Quark I'm not blind and I see what you're saying. We played army when I was young also. I'm not for children being exposed to violence either. We emphasized sports and acedemics it was not an issue in our house. That said we rarely if ever left our son unsupervised and we only let him visit families that held to our standards.
Our son chose a Christian university without our promting we had hoped he would choose a big state school. He didn't like the negative peer pressure at those schools to party and act out. He's 20 now and in his senior year of his chemistry degree and taking the LSAT this summer. I took him to the Sugarbowl this year and we went to the French Quarter and Burbon street. He stood in the middle of the street watching what was going on and he hated it. He asked how this could be allowed to happen with kids and families in the area. He was angry about the sex, alcohol and bad behavior and swore his family would not be visiting New Orleans.
We are very active in the LDS church so you know how we see the world. I don't want to impose my lifestye choices on anyone and I'm more liberal than most. Families have to come first or we'll end up gonig the way of other corrupt sociaties. We owe it to our kids to protect them.
How much for this dirty sex
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