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Has anyone ever walked up to you and said: I am an atheist, and if you're not yo

  1. LewSethics profile image61
    LewSethicsposted 5 years ago

    The answer is no. The only way religion enters into a conversation is if someone with religion brings it in. So quit bellyaching if the other person doesn't want to examine every bit of sacred minutiae that you regard as pertinent to your life goal of appeasing a ghost, holy or otherwise. BTW, I have lived a long full spiritual life without religion, so there.

    1. LewSethics profile image61
      LewSethicsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry, when I pasted the title I didn't realize I didn't have enough room.  How do I edit that?

      1. Rochelle Frank profile image96
        Rochelle Frankposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        You can fix that with prayer, fasting and confession to an ordained priest. smile

        1. wilderness profile image98
          wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          lol  Wonder if that would work the typos in my hubs as well?

        2. LewSethics profile image61
          LewSethicsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks Rochelle and wilderness, I'll be kneeling as soon as my lombago eases up, haha.  I don't think an ordained priest would have enough time for my confessions, so he would just have to give me an estimate or something.  I fast every day, my wife is a lousy cook.

      2. bBerean profile image60
        bBereanposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Unfortunately there is no way to edit it.  What was the whole title going to be?  I expect I know, but "never assume", right?

        1. LewSethics profile image61
          LewSethicsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          The title in its entirety is:
          Has anyone ever walked up to you and said: I am an atheist, and if you're not you are going to hell?

          1. bBerean profile image60
            bBereanposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            This is an interesting question for a few reasons.  First, where would the atheist get the idea of hell?  How did that evolve and why?  So I would be intrigued and be happy to converse.  Of course, that is because of the uniqueness of the conversation. 

            If on the other hand, it happened to me daily as I left my house, which to hear some folks complain about "having religion shoved down their throats", one would assume must happen to them, I would get tired of it.  I wouldn't freak out and make it my life's ambition to "shove it back," however.  Why not?  Because I am not at all concerned what anyone else thinks about my eternal destiny.  I am confident in what I believe, so if someone tells me that failing to believe in mother nature or whatever higher power they espouse, will land me in an eternity in front of a big screen listening to Bill Maher or Richard Dawkins drone on endlessly, I would shrug it off without concern. 

            If, however, I was someone not confident in my eternal destiny and someone came up to me with a message that somehow rang true in my heart, that I desperately did not want to believe or have be true, I may be angry and lash out, expending great time and energy to assuage my guilt and convince myself and hopefully others that it is not true.  I might even seek them out in religious forums. smile

        2. LewSethics profile image61
          LewSethicsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          by the way, thanks for asking for the title.

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      Emile Rposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      An atheist who has led a spiritual life? How does that work? What type of spirit world fits into atheistic philosophy?

      1. LewSethics profile image61
        LewSethicsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        I'm not an atheist, einstein, the guy in the question was. 
        Do you think spirituality began with your religion?

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          Emile Rposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Please enlighten me. What is my religion? I'm agnostic.

          And Einstein is dead. Hope that isn't too much of a shock for you.

          1. LewSethics profile image61
            LewSethicsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I don't know what your religion is, probably something to do with Uranus.
            I know einstein is dead, I called you that because your reply was so intelligent.

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              Emile Rposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Very nice of you. Never heard of a religion called Uranus. What are you? About 12? Does your mom know you are on the computer?

              1. LewSethics profile image61
                LewSethicsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Sure, I'm about 12.  Good one. 
                With your verbal skills you must be a real asset to any secondary school debating team.

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                  Emile Rposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Haha. Listen. It was a serious question. Tell us your take on spirituality. Or just keep making juvenile attempts to insult. Your choice. My ankles are, as of yet, untouched. smile

      2. wilderness profile image98
        wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Does a spirit world, some other dimension that our mind exists in, require a God to exist?  If so, why?

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          Emile Rposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          No. But most atheists argue against any type of spirit world or afterlife. In fact, quite a few of them here on Hub Pages have gone out of their way to explain that to me.

          1. wilderness profile image98
            wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Understandable, as the same reasoning applies there as it does to God; a total lack of evidence.

            Nevertheless, saying that no atheist believes in a "spirit" world (although most would probably dislike the terminology) is like saying that all theists believe in the Christian God alone and have the same interpretation of what He wants.

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              Emile Rposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              True. But, I didn't say no atheist did. I simply inquired what type would fit into it. So far, I've had no response.

              1. wilderness profile image98
                wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Oh.  Maybe the kind that has ghosts?  Or reincarnation?  Those "souls" must exist somewhere waiting to be reincarnated.

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                  Emile Rposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  And that would be interesting to hear about. Although, I do think if there is a spirit world someone would have to be in charge. Anarchy while hanging about in limbo, waiting to jump into a body, sounds spooky.

                  1. wilderness profile image98
                    wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Why?  No spookier than hanging around a ball of dirt with no one in charge.

                    Actually, if someone is in charge you might expect them to have control of both real and spirit worlds,  Or least something of the same "species" if not the same individual.

    3. wilderness profile image98
      wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Good point.  I don't know that I've ever seen a craigslist ad, for instance, that starts with "atheist mother of 3 wants..." either.  Wonder if means something that verbal warning is necessary rather than simply letting actions tell the tale?

    4. Mark Knowles profile image61
      Mark Knowlesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Gotta love John Safran. big_smile Wish you could embed stuff here.

      http://wp.me/p2Jz2C-hR

      Lead a pretty full spiritual life myself. Once you understand that "spirituality," is a wholly internal, subjective experience - anything is possible. The Troll will not get that though. wink

    5. bBerean profile image60
      bBereanposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Hmmm.  You've started a thread about religion, in a forum on Religion and Philosophy...but "the only way religion enters into a conversation is if someone with religion brings it in?"  Okay, I'll bite.  Based on your statement, you clearly must be a religious person or you couldn't have started this thread.  What religion are you?

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
        Uninvited Writerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        This is also a forum to discuss philosophy, hence the name religion AND philosophy.

      2. LewSethics profile image61
        LewSethicsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Hmmm is right.  An interesting turn of events, to say the least.
        No, I'm not religious.
        The library is my church, I guess, and I've read buku books on religion and philosophy, history and all things human.
        Basically I'm a spiritual mutt, without a master.

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    Aleister888posted 5 years ago

    lol i gotta say Berean raises  a pretty good point, However i do know what the OP is trying to say, and to a large degree he is correct, it is common for religion to get brought up, when another persons religion has just been rubbed the wrong way...

 
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