Cruising these forums it's easy to see that there are a few atheists who spend their time protesting against God's existence and accusing the brethren in general.
But why are they afraid to speak against the Holy Spirit?
Could it be these verses of scripture?;
"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.
You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.
The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.
But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.
For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."
Can it be that in their heart, they just ain't 100% sure that what they preach is true?
This is a serious matter and I am NOT advising anyone to speak against the Holy Spirit, for that appears to be an unforgivable sin, however this obviously only applies to believer and agnostics. Presumably any atheist will have no problem about it.
(light blue touchpaper and retire! )
I have been on many secular websites where Atheist Blaspheme and curse Gawd. An Agnostic may not speak against the Holy Spirit but a true Atheist will take pride in the denial of such entity. Have you ever visited the Ex-Christian website????
No Evo I haven't where is it? - I'll take a look!!
ExChristian.Net - ArticlesArticles and rants written by former Christian believers who have determined that Christianity is nothing less than a false and delusional cult.
Hell, I'll "speak against the holy spirit" all you want, if that's what it takes to convince you. I'll speak against Santa and the Easter Bunny and unicorns too. Why not? I'm having a slow day at work.
The problem is, I literally don't understand what it means to "speak against the holy spirit."
If you can tell me what magic words to say, in order to satisfy your curiosity, I'll be happy to say them.
Just want to shout out a big thank you to aquasilver (not sure if that is his real name or not) for reminding me why I do not follow the christian faith.
After being persuaded that this was "wrong" he decided take it private instead and to add to the comments on my hub about evolution.
So - a great big thanks and I love ya to AQ for reminding me why I do not do christian.
The love is just a little too painful.
But I am sure he feels good about spreading this much positive energy.
Thanks again. Feels good. A good christian at his peak of love for his fellow man. Well done.
But will not answer the question huh Tantrum!
I understand, you're a cutie really and won't take the risk!
I won't take the risk ??
I thought it was crystal clear, that I don't believe in ANYTHING
Crystal Clear, ha, Aquasilver ?
Ditto what I said to Evo... if you don't believe in anything, what have you got to lose?
me scared of out of this world things, metaphysics et al cos I am a horsie
Dear oh dear - yet another religionist who wants a fight.
And they wonder why they are despised?
Sorry you are too ignorant to understand what atheism means.
I suggest a decent dictionary Daddy.
Yup a 5LOL moment.............
So you WILL speak against the Holy Spirit?
That was the question, where is your answer?
The Holy Spirit does not exist Daddy. Sorry to burst your scary bubble. LLOLOLOLOL
How can anyone "speak against" something that does not exist? Let me know when you have saved up enough money for a real dictionary.
So go for it big boy... get speaking against what you say does not exist, what have you got to lose, if you are SOOO very sure!
Aquasilver, what you`re doing is wrong.I am a believer and know the word concerning blaspheming the Holy Spirit.This person is not a believer and you are trying to bait him into blaspheming the Spirit, which none of us can really put our finger on that exact sin.But you`re trying to get him to cross that line thereby damning his soul to eternal hell.Jesus made no distinction, priest or athiest.You do it, you`re damned. You better think about what you`re doing.
You should have never posted this in the first place.If you are a true believer, your heart should condemn you.
I did think about this first, and had (and still do have) a reserve about the situation, but I wanted to get these folk to ask themselves that question.
I don't think for one minute they will actually speak against the Holy Spirit. If they did it would NOT be their first time.
I'm not on the Hub to be on these forums, actually I want to write and develop my writing skills such as they may become, but when people bait Christians and attack what I came to believe in after coming from their team, I often react. I hate reacting, I much prefer responding, but life runs in real time and sometimes we don't have the luxury of reflection.
I respect your views, if two other Christian witnesses will confirm your opinion, I will take this down immediately.
I'm not trying to get people to commit themselves to damnation, I'm trying to stop them playing at being "big men before a puny god of their/our imagination"
Like I said it's a SERIOUS matter, and note that none of the normal rationalists have been able to do what I spoke about.
WE know who the believers are, will you speak up in this matter and give me your guidance?
Go ahead and tell me what to do - I don't know what you are looking for here. I see you are trying to frighten me and I am laughing at your ridiculous attempts to do so - Daddy.
I think it's under the short leg of the couch
(quoting Marge Simpson)
as for me, I don't believe in THE CHRISTIAN GOD, and I have no fear about denying THE CHRISTIAN GOD's existence or associated holy spirits and whathaveyou.
I know what it means and, if I were you, I would take my extravagant self worth issues to a good counselor.
Sorry it bothers you that I am not scared.
Wonder why that is?
I'm not sorry, I'm sad you don't have the where-with-all to understand the self centered positions you have chosen. The denial of love and your continous atempts to attack Christians obviously come from some personal issues you are conflicted about. Look you will be alot happier if you go find yourself a good therapist who can help you work thru those issues. Don't be ashamed, we'll still be here and we'll still love you unconditionally. God Bless You.
I am not ashamed. LOLOL
Sorry you are too scared to be yourself.
Not a fan of the passive aggressive attack though. Thanks for reminding me why I despise christians like you. A passive aggressive attack is still an attack. Still - never mind _ I am sure Jeebus will forgive you. .
If that is love - you can keep it.
I do not need a therapist thanks. I am not the one with the imaginary friends.
I know I can speak for all good Christians, we still love you unconditionally and if you ever need a friend we'll be there for you.
Are you deaf? I have read your hubs and seen what your opinions are and listened to you show the love.
Like I said - if that is love - you can keep it.
I think you need a dictionary too. Any one who claims to love everyone unconditionally and then writes clearly does not understand the meaning of the word "love" or "unconditionally".
Too bad - now perhaps you understand why I do not want your love. It hurts too bad and you do not know what is best for me.
No - you do not know what is best for me. And the very fact that you think you do tells me you have not understood one word in your book.
No you do not - you just want a fight.
I get it. And no thank you - I am not interested in that sort of love. I already had too much of that .
Jeebus be dun prowd a ya
And you genuinely do not understand why you are despised? Really? Are you that ignorant?
NIce though - very good - makes me feel sick just listening to you. Well done.
Thank you for teaching me that God does not exist. I appreciate it. Thank you . I love you.
By the way Evo,I was speaking out for you earlier in that fray.
I`m still laughing about yesterday where you said you didn`t get to talk junk to that guy because he got ran off first.Haven`t seen him since.
Well - let's be honest - most of the believers here are here for a fight.
Which pretty much means the beliefs are garbage.
And there is not a god.
They are the ones persuaded me in the first place. And it is rather funny. Unfortunately - the underlying hatred and non-love is rather scary also.
People like srs - there he is - displaying "love" which any fool can see is hatred. What a shame. Religion could be such a positive force - and what? The opposite - every time. Almost without fail. Because once you have an absolute - there is no room for compromise.
Too bad. I do love them though. I would have never looked inside if it had not been for the hatred and negative energy displayed by people like sneakrocksolid.
Thanks dude - you persuaded me there aint no god. Well done.
Where does all this agression come from? Hey, and you said you didn't believe in Jesus so how do you know he's proud? As for as being dispised I just consider the source. Yes, there isn't a more ignorant person than me on the planet, I apologize. I'm sorry you don't feel well is it the flu? You have a great ability to make hugh assumptions on whats-what when you know you don't really care anyway.
Christians (not all) are way more self-centered than non-believers. You are very judgmental and elitist and prejudice.
I'm probably way more spiritual than you and "love my neighbors" more than you. And I didn't need a book to tell me to do that.
I could debate this subject and would not even get blue in the face , why because it is very simple , just add one o to god and you get GOOD , just be good live a good life , live your own life . The word god starts wars because the human race is very competetive so one has to be better than the other but these competitions should be kept to more simple things like growing roses . So my motto is LIVE AND LET LIVE , And may GOOD be with you
What's the big deal?
I deny the Holy Spirit because I don't understand how he could exist. I'm not preaching, I just don't have the same understanding of our existence as you do.
You accept the Holy Spirit because you obviously have understanding and a different perspective from me. That's the beauty of individuality and choice that we have varying beliefs.
"Cruising these forums it's easy to see that there are a few atheists who spend their time protesting against God's existence and accusing the brethren in general."
Get used to it here. Christians, and people of all faiths challenge each others beliefs as well here. There are a few particular hubbers that are Christian that do the same as you mentioned except against atheist 'beliefs.'
I think denying the existence of this "holy spirit" is "blasphemy" enough, don't you think?
The holy spirit does not exist in my world. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist in your world. Belief is a powerful thing.
OK folks, this post is closed as far as I am concerned, my apologies to Rick for placing Rick in an uncomfortable position, and for starting something which was not fully considered.
Rick you were correct to pull me on it.
I retire from the field, debate, discuss argue amongst yourselves as you wish, as I said, I came here to write, these forums are taking up writing time.
So what are YOU scared of now? haha
Dude, you are obviously a fearful person. You can't live your life like that. You can't be scared about what a book says or what someone else says.
Rick believes you were wrong in what you did but that doesn't mean he's right. You really need to find yourself man.
You went from over-confident to scared in about 10 posts.
You're late for class and you need all you can get.
Find a good mentor who can help you resolve your issues, so you can someday go on to be a productive and happy adult.
Issues? Did you see your fellow believer go from "mega-confident" to scared out of his mind because another believer told him he was wrong?
I don't have issues and know exactly what my world consists of. Your world and my world are different and our realities are different.
You run your life "god-fearing" and I don't.
Hey Tim, man I'm a Dad of a college junior. I know exactly what your saying. I'm just pulling your chain the same as I would my own son who at 20 and thinks he knows everything and his feet are cemented to the ground. You will continue to grow and modify your positions for many more years. "When I was 18 I thought I knew everything and when I turned 30 I realized I knew nothing!" Thats why they say that youth is wasted on the young.
Fuck the holy spirit.
What gave you the idea that atheists are scared to speak against the holy spirit?
Why go through all this trouble ?
Why deny ?
Why affirm ?
What do we know ? And how do we think we know something ?
What do we know about the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost ?
Except they took the next train for the coast ?
Some day with no music ... Huh ?
not that topic again
Aren't Christians told to love each other to not judge one another or you will be judged???
look we atheists don't beleive in a God or jezus or whatever the F*** there may be, so accept it and don't judge like we are some weird aliens. It's not because we don't believe in the stories written in a 2000 year old book that we are bad people, we also have values, we also know the difference between right and wrong, between good and evil.
My personal opinion is if there really was a God, then why would he let so many people suffer in the world?
The holy spirit is a lie. The bible is a lie created by man to govern and control people (and from the looks of it, they're still doing a great job 2,000 years later).
GOD IS A SINE WAVE.
P.S. BOO BRONCOS
I fail to see how starting a thread practically daring non-believers to condemn themselves(under your beliefs)and then agging it on when they don't, is in keeping with Christ's message at all. It's despicable and twisted. Where is the love or understanding. Are you not supposed to minister to those who do not believe instead of trying to incite them to condemnation. You know exactly what you are doing, and instigating these people into something like this makes you just as guilty as they, I suggest you go back and read some more of what you quote specifically about being responsible for the words you speak and their effects on others. This is just sad and an embarrassment to Christianity.
Well I approach things from a different angle, may not be your way but it's mine. I don't preach I just to keep it light and have some fun. That way maybe they'll realize Christians aren't an alien race here to eat their brains.
Wow when I read the first post I couldn't help but shake my head in disgust. Why start a thread like thsi, seriously? Are you looking for a fight or just trying to condem yourself to hell? Seriously! I am a believer but I would never post a stupid thread like this to start fights with anyone. I am with Rick on this one...you condemned yourself by trying to get others to talk bad about the Holy Spirit. You seriously have issues dude!
Seriously it's ppl like you who make me gag in disgust and really get annoyed with others who say that they are believers.
And Welcome to you too Tim Turner Hope you 2 have fun posting hubs and posting in the forums.
I find it interesting that someone would post a thread like this.
I would expect it to be someone like me, more than someone of any form of religious belief.
I could understand me making this argument, but then again, not I am that crazy.
Even though I am not of any religious following whatsoever, I still find the arrogance in which was used to bring forth the argument has led one to belief that a person needed or felt the need to confirm their own belief, at the expense of others.
That being said- shows precisely how irrational 'religious' beliefs can make any single individual person.
He needs verification from others and want others to fry themselves in their own oil, while he is sitting down and reading all the comments which he hopes will be justifying what he believes in.
But on the other hand, he wants or thinks, he is better than those who are willing to engage. And, that is his first mistake.
He finds himself above others. That arrogance needs to be seriously addressed by whatever means necessary. If it is humility he seeks, I guess he found it.
lol I agree with your prettydarkhorse but what he fails to see is that he is frying himself for even starting the thread.
But that is the flaw in most people who want to discuss religion. This see themselves above those who don't have the same belief. They seem to think that they are somehow 'special' in some way.
This in and of itself is ridiculous, because their arrogance is based on something themselves don't truly understand.
That has always been one of my gripes about those who practice a religion and then speak to the public. To pass on your own view when you yourself do not have a complete picture is completely irrational and insanity run amok.
I`m not like that Cagsil.I`m on the same playing field as everyone else.But I am a believer.
I'm religious and I don't think this way at all. I like to discuss religions because I am interested in hearing others beliefs...I don't think i am better than anyone else nor do I like to fight about religion. I enjoy people being who they are even if that means believing in God or not
Prove it. You said it so you must have some varifiable knowledge of it. So, prove it. Prove what we don't understand.
You opening your mouth to defend something you yourself cannot prove exists.
How much more proof do I need.
I just wanted to see if you were good enough to prove a negative. I'm not but you might be.
I won't sit here and justify the atheists position, because they each still practice some sort of religion, even if it contradict itself.
All religions are useless to society and have no basis.
You seem very nice and I'm sorry you had a bad experience with religion. Still friends,ok?
Were we friends before-hand? Hmmm.....
Sure, why not.
No, but I am presently cooking two cornish hens, flavored rice and mashed potatoes.
Sneaker, when you make friends, wait a while before you ask them for cookies OK?
It looks a bit greedy you know?
Here is a cookie to go on with, how would you like your coffee?
Warm with alittle mocha, thanks! I love you!
Love ya right back. that sounds nice. Now you play nice today OK, because I am feeling very full of the flue, and I may start crying if my tender feelings get hurt. I am a woos when I'm sick!by the way it is nice to see BP back in the forums. She put my portrait up on another hub. I look good!
Thank you kind sir! Tomorrow I am going for a bike ride crook or not. There is a HPV race on, and I am going to take my 30 year old Australian Malvern Star bicycle down to the track for some laps between races. Those HPV's are getting very light and fast. Great to watch!
Hey Earnest,What`s the big stadium downtown Melborne with the roof that opens?
Hey Rick! Melbourne mate, you left out a letter!
I will now give you a secret formula for pronouncing Melbourne.
Mel as in Mel Brookes and bourne, now this is the bit every American on earth mis pronounces.... it is pronounced BURN
now put em together and you will make history!
well,Believe it or not I did know it was burn,Just missed a letter.Rare for me.
True. You do not have typo's but I would love to hear you say "burn"
Seriously, all the news in the USA gets it wrong, and an American mate who has lived here for years still gets it wrong.
Have a great day here.
Now, I am curious....is that the NAME of the Stadium you asked about or is me, just missing that he didn't answer the question?
He can wait sitted for ever, then !
Maybe he likes to be beaten!
Look people I doubt that was his intention to create this kind of drama. He asked why it was always God and Jesus that bear the brunt of the 'we hate religion crowd'. Regaurdless he's still human and may have stated his question wrong or was too strong in his approach. You have to realize, you that believe should already, the comments made by non-believers in the forums are as offensive or more so. Let's face it they love to use our religion against us, "if you're a real Christian you would....". Well whether any religious comments should be made by true Christians or not is an arguement in it self. I'm not willing to go to the gas chambers quietly and thats what happened when a religious group stood by and waited for humanity to step in. Let's face it if it's not worth fighting for it's not worth anything. We only have two cheeks what do you propose when both have been slapped?
Sorry sneak but from what he told others he was wanting this drama so that he can say others have condemned themselves. he even said coxing others to say stuff against the Holy Spirit..it's stated on the first page.
I think you're too naive. Why start this kind of thread in the first place ? We are bored to death with this 'christian thing' about us fearing or no tfearing God, Hell etc. !
and yes, I have to cheeks, but I don't feel they have been slaped.
No no - don't be modest.
We hate religion because of people like you.
*clap* *clap * *clap*
I don't know that atheists speak for or against the Holy Spirit. If they don't, I doubt they know of the Scripture in Matthew. Could be their inner conscience, telling them not to go that way. We all have an inner voice that tells us when we are about to mess up. I doubt they've given any thought about the Holy Spirit. I don't know the dictionary meaning of an atheist. I don't care enough to look it up. I just pray for them. Someday they may be led to believe. I am blessed, The Holy Spirit sent me down to be baptised when I was 12 years old. I accepted the Lord when I was 24. I haven't lived a perfect life, but Jesus has never left me or farsaken me, even though I turned my own way several times. Now I pray for Gods will to be done in my life. I've found His will is the very best will for me. I pray you'll find Him as well.
Well, don't pray for me ! It's rude you know. I'm not asking , thank you !
I love you too crazed!
I'm a woman, I suppose you know ?
Yep I remember we had tha discussion in another thread...I think someone called you a guy there and you said nope wrong ro something like that lol
And what i can't love women too? Shoot gotta go tell my mom J/K!
Just a technical moment here. If you're an atheist, and don't believe in God, or Jesus etc. Then how could you be afraid of denying something that doesn't exist to you. That would be like me saying I don't believe in Ghosts then hiding under the covers and hoping they go away. The things you believe in only have power to the extent that you give them.
That is why I laughed at the idea of being afraid.
The religionists seem ti think they can scare the non believers.
I know that they don't scare you, and they shouldn't be trying to scare anyone. I do not understand where this kind of extremists attitude comes from. I often wonder if they're reading the same book I am. Truth be told and maybe its not right, I really just don't care what any of you believe in. I don't care if you're Christian, or Atheist. I learned something important in the Marines and that is when the bullets start hitting the meat its not so much an issue of who your buddy prays to, as long as he has your back. In the meantime I go on in life allowing people to prove their worth as friends and people by their actions and character not their religious preference. I have said it before, religion is a plague on humanity and peace. If you believe in God you need to do it by arriving at your own conclusions and learn to develop am intimate personal relationship with him. If you don't believe in God that's okay he's not for everyone, and the things that I appreciate may not apply to you, so be it. But I would still stand up for you and your well being, even if you didn't appreciate it. My faith tells me to practice my belief through action and living not vain repetition and words.
cagsil wrote :
'All religions are useless to society and have no basis.'
religions are very usefull to societies,because they regulate people. And 1 of the foundations of society is religion, no matter what's the name.
I don't think so.
If people were self-responsible enough and used rational thoughts, reinforced by honest actions...we would have no need or use for any religion.
But people are not that way
And societies don't like individuals ,they like masses
That's where people's ideology has to be changed.
It isn't about the masses. It is about an individual living an honest life, via honest thoughts and honest actions.
If people understood more about their own existence....then this conversation wouldn't be happening because religion wouldn't exist.
I think we should just let this thread die like the other stupid religious ones.
Like you really think that will happen?
Come on, let's keep it real.
lol I am keeping it real...if ppl ignore this thread it will get pushed off the page and vanish the way it SHOULD be
It isn't that societies don't like individuals....it those in power who want to control the masses and make them do what it is that they want.....meaning an agenda.
An individual only has to live their life.
Protect life through honesty and love for humanity.
With all due respect, you have it all wrong.
The Holy Quadrinity dictates that:
Allah = Jesus = Yahweh = Holy Spirit
may peace be upon him and please do not use his name in vain.
Why are (all members of group X) (alike in this arbitrary way I have decided) always make for a good talk.
Why are all men rapists?
Why are all Republicans afraid of the truth?
Why are all puppies terrible?
Why are all women bad with money?
Why are all gays transvestites?
answer: they're not, don't say they are
Only in the minds of women. There are very few cases of woman rapists, because most women can maintain their sexual desires until the time to release...
Most republicans as well as democrats each have a hidden agenda they don't want people to know.
Not all puppies are terrible. That is your opinion.
Women are not as bad with money as men are and that's been proven.
This queston is irrelevant, because not all are. It is an assumption on your part.
Bad to answer your own questions....it leads to your talking to yourself, even when you are talking to others.
Sure, you figured it all out when you had a crib sheet at the end.
The only way someone can understand the spirit is if they understand themselves within. I don't just mean understand feelings or thoughts, everyone has come into this dimension with freewill. I mean understand themselves inwardly, having control over emotion and recognising intuition and holistic thinking, having the ability to see outside the physical reality, thinking outside the box.
Everything in this existence has a duality. If there is good there is bad, if there is light there is darkness, if there is happiness there is sadness. It's the same as the physical world. Where there is matter there is anti matter, where there is solid there is also space. The spirit is the duality of the physical. That is why we have physical feeling and spiritual emotion.
People who only know how to look outside of themselves for reasoning, knowledge, satisfaction, joy, fulfillment, security, confidence and encouragement will struggle to understand the world within themselves. The inner spirit when discovered is the highest form of power, self being, happiness and consciousness, but more importantly it is infinite and always with you, while the outside source of happiness is temporary.
That is why people feel so up and down. Why people suffer with patience and are so temperamental, suffering mood swings and waves of anger fits. Why people feel so depressed, tired and fed up. Their happiness is determined by others around them or incidents that happen on a daily basis. These people unknowingly give off negative energy fields that are usually picked up by others like themselves. That is why someone who is wound up seems to attract every Tom, Dick and Harry who wants to throw in their pennies worth.
Someone who isn't in tune with their spirit wanders through life having bad thoughts and attracting more bad luck than good.
Why are atheists afraid to deny th Holy Spirit?
It is patently obvious that the OP is terrified of his invisible boogy man spirit!
To anyone who is aware of psych, this is a projection of his fear on to everyone else!
What a crock!
I'm a Christian and I know I didn't understand the Holy Spirit until I had accepted Jesus as my Savior. And I don't think they're agianst it, they just understand it.
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