If you get baptized in the Roman Catholic church then decide you don't like it and get baptized in the Baptist Church and then decide you don't like it, can you unbaptize yourself?
Or does the first baptism count so the other is void, or does it go by the last one?
You crack me up Sandy!
If you are baptized in the Catholic Church they consider you theirs forever and ever no matter what you decide later. They won't recognize the Baptist baptism, they'll just still consider you Catholic. There's no ceremony or ritual for opting out. That's why they try to getcha when yer an infant and can't think about it first.
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Dang! Guess there is no hope. lol, glad I could make you laugh.
Hi Sandy,
I have experienced four baptisms in four different denominations of Christianity. to me it was all about understanding...a level of consciousness of belief of what they taught. My first was when I was eight, the others in my 30s. After those I began to check out the world religions, rituals and practices. So to me, it was all about expanding knowing/believing more, I didn't care what they thought...what I thought was right for me. Baptism is an initiation, a step in consciousness, with mystical knowing/acceptance.
so, to me there is no un-baptizing, only initiation/anointing into higher knowledge. moving forward, not undoing.
Well, if you join the Freemasons you are automatically excommunicated - that might do it ...
Jenny
They recognized my baptist baptism. The catholic church does christenings to babies and I don't remember if there are baptisms but do know they have First Communions.
In the bible it says that Jesus was baptised by John the Baptist--he was the Baptiser. The Babptist church was founded on him and not Peter. I don't think there were ever any nrecords of Jesus' baptism n an church but yet he is baptised. According to that when one is baptised you are always that way and can't revert back no matter what denomination.
They recognized my baptist baptism. The catholic church does christenings to babies and I don't remember if there are baptisms but do know they have First Communions.
In the bible it says that Jesus was baptised by John the Baptist--he was the Baptiser. The Babptist church was founded on him and not Peter. I don't think there were ever any nrecords of Jesus' baptism n an church but yet he is baptised. According to that when one is baptised you are always that way and can't revert back no matter what denomination.
In a baptist church, each local congregation is considered autonomous.
Most baptist churches use baptism as the primary criteria to formal membership. If you change membership from one church to another, the joined church requests the "letter of membership" from the former church. It's all pretty routine.
If you want to quit the baptist church, you typically simply ask them to "remove your membership letter from their files".
You don't actually get "un-baptized" but since you are not a member anywhere it has the same effect.
OK ...
1. Get Baptized
2. Letter of Membership is Filed
3. You want "Out"
4. Request Membership letter be removed.
5. Letter of Membership removed.
Since the church has no membership record, they have no way of know about the baptism. It's just a matter of record keeping.
There's that thing with the pentangle you could try. . . or maybe the two baptisms you have cancel each other out?
But don't churches have returns policies, like department stores? You know, if for any reason you don't like the fit, just return to the store you bought it for a full refund?
The Catholic Church recognizes a baptism from some other denominations, I'm not sure which ones. First Communion too I think. So if say a Baptist or Anglican (Episcopalian in the states I think) wanted to become a member of the Catholic Church they wouldn't need to be baptized again.
If someone wanted to leave the Catholic Church they could just leave. Nothing is forced.
If you have a video of you being baptized just put it in the recorder go to the end of the ceremony, then <<rew<< I think this should do it. Do it in slow motion for best affect. LOL.
you have an incredibly nice smile for someone so crazy.
Well Sandra, I'm happy to say that it is possible. Unfortunately it involves a Pentagram, a chicken, a goat, a very sharp blade, and some really hard to find herbs...
Yor are catholic forever unless you spit on the pope or something so that you can be excomungated!
Is it the church you don't like? Ideally, you are baptized once. Baptism is between you and God, not you and a church.
baptism is nothing. without your realisation
Being Baptized in what ever faith, is showing your love for the Lord....
You were Baptized in the Catholic Faith first, were you an adult at the time, or a child? Just wondering here....
And then you stepped out in the Baptist Faith, and were batized the same way as Jesus was baptized, submerged in water.....
Being Baptized was your decision, though since you were already baptized, you really didn't have to...Again, you were showing your love for The Lord....
That's what Baptism is all about...showing the Lord that you love Him...
If you are no longer happy with the Baptist Faith, then search for one, that you will be happy in....You don't need to be Baptized again....
So - if you are baptized at 3 months old - Because you hate the lord that does not exist - can you be un-baptized?
Or even reject the whole idea of a magical invisible super being?
Oh I got it, I can throw dirt on myself, that should take care of it. lol ;P
Sorry about the double post. Hubpages has crashed twice today. When it comes back up I get my post prior to the crash posted again when it comes back up.
The church instituted baptism to follow Jesus' example. There was no church when Jesus was baptized.
Also circumcision is not the castration.
Someone forgot to tell Moses that. lol.
I thought baptism was supposed to be the new circumsion.
oh, I am sorry, I meant Jesus got his 4skin snipped. ewwww! Rothflao
Jesus' circumcision is recorded in Luke 2:21.
You may have a point. Circumcision is a sign of the covenant with God, and some people could say baptism has the same purpose, though I had not heard that before.
Really? I guess if it were like that, then you really couln't take it back. how does a person like you miss that?
Most people say that communion is a sign of the covenant. I was raised baptist and the word "covenant" wasn't used much.
Covenant with God is a bit more complex than a simple single ceremony. In reality it's a matter of heart not lip service. Baptism or communion is supposed to be an outward demonstration of an inner reality.
I have a vagye feeling it is or was a feast day in the Catholic church. But I might have made that up.
Not entirely - baptism was an existing Jewish rite.
Yes, that is true and I thought it was well known. I'm sorry if I implied I thought otherwise. My point was that when the church rejected most thing Jewish, it kept Baptism in order to follow Jesus example. (I am speaking specifically of the Baptist church where I grew up)
The circumcision of the New Testament is a circumcision of the foreskin of the heart. It is a spoiritual circumcision.
As far as baptism being a Jewish tradition, Moses and the children of Israel were baptized in the cloud. As far as I know, that was the first actual baptism.
says who? Christ was a Jewish newborn boy, so it would have been a normal Jewish circumcision.
I am talking about the circumcision of believers.
Wasn't meaning to say Jesus didn't get circumcised in the traditional sense.
Besides Mark 2:21, what other scripture suggest that Jesus was circumsised?
If I said Mark, I was wrong. It was Luke 2:21.
Oh, you said right, I wrote it wrong. lol Luke 2.21 looked it up last night. Sorry, I am making you look bad. My bad!
Where does it say that and what is the "foreskin" of the heart? Can you see it? How do youknow if another has this "foreskin" removed? "In the Cloud"? Wht cloud and where? Who was in the cloud to baptise?
I believe SirDent is refering to this scripture:
"But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."
(Romans 2:29)
He likely mis-remembered and said "foreskin" rather than circumcision.
The cloud he refers to is probably the cloud that filled the tabernacle in the wildereness. Though, this is the first time I've heard it refered to as baptism. Also, the tabernacle in the wilderness is the first place the children of Israel perfromed cermonial cleansing with water. Though, I don't remember if the term "baptism" was used then.
Thank You BDazzler! I appreciate your kind answers.
You're welcome!
Ah! I figured it out! I had forgotten that SirDent is a Pentecostal believer. Being raised Baptist, I mistakenly dismissed many of their more important teaching in my youth.
Many Charismatics believe (and so do I) that the cloud in the temple in the wilderness was the presense of the Holy Spirit. Thus, I can see, where some could teach that the immersian in that cloud would be the first Baptism of the Holy Spirit. I'm not sure about that, and I don't want to speak for him, but that makes sense.
Even if that's not what's taught, working through that has certainly given me a slightly different perspective to meditate on.
That part I do recall, about baptism being a new spiritual heart, removing the veil from our hearts. the other part I don't know.
I am still trying to understand the cloud thing. Many places in the bible I have read about clouds coming and taking people from the earth--such as Enoch and Jesus was supposed to come back in a cloud. This cloud in the temple couldn't be caused by some force that they didn't understand in those days. We know that if you pour water on dry ice that it causes a cloud to form and several other natural things can cause clouds. Whe else saw this cloud? Who was the preacher that was baptising at the time this cloud emerged or was seen?
Now about the heart--yes I do believe this and I do believe that every single person will have that baptism by fire when the appointed time for them will be. I can say that I have had mine and do see things a bit differently then others. Like I keep saying, everything is not in that book and everything is not taught by preists, preachers or ministers--including myself. Science and Medical advances have solved alot of the things that the people in the Bible just had no idea of what it was so they just called it like they saw it then.
When Moses and the children of Israel left Egypt, God led them with a cloud by day and fire by night. The fire went behind them at the Red Sea to block Pharaoh until the children of Israel had made the crossing.
The rebirth is spiritual, but baptism is an outward sign of an inward change.
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I am on a new comp without Bible Software installed so I have to use Bible Gateway for now.
Thank yu. I was going to make another post becasue as I was writing my post above you had made yours and we kindof did it at the same time...sorry aout that...
It happens often. I edited my last post if you didn't see it.
Yea so I am going to do other things for a bit and then come back so we don't oiverlap, which we are probably doing that right now...geeesh
Bible Gateway is all I use becasue it has so many different versions including the Hebrew and Greek and many others and it has a great search engine for those and you can also have more than one translation side by side so you can see the differences.
Yes, I agree that the new testament baptism was in the heart. What scripture sugest that the original baptism was the children of Israel in the cloud.
That one I have never heard before.
I speculate that baptism has existed from the beginning; that is taking for granted that the scriptures mean what they say and say what they mean, we have sufficient grounds to go on and prove that the gosple has always been the same, along with the ordinances needed to fulfill it's requirements.
BDazzler,
I just looked up the verses before and after that and eventually had to look up the whole chapter and it is still a bit confusing. Maybe someone could tell us what it says exactly:
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Romans 2 (Young's Literal Translation)
Romans 2
1Therefore, thou art inexcusable, O man -- every one who is judging -- for in that in which thou dost judge the other, thyself thou dost condemn, for the same things thou dost practise who art judging,
2and we have known that the judgment of God is according to truth, upon those practising such things.
3And dost thou think this, O man, who art judging those who such things are practising, and art doing them, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
4or the riches of His goodness, and forbearance, and long-suffering, dost thou despise? -- not knowing that the goodness of God doth lead thee to reformation!
5but, according to thy hardness and impenitent heart, thou dost treasure up to thyself wrath, in a day of wrath and of the revelation of the righteous judgment of God,
6who shall render to each according to his works;
7to those, indeed, who in continuance of a good work, do seek glory, and honour, and incorruptibility -- life age-during;
8and to those contentious, and disobedient, indeed, to the truth, and obeying the unrighteousness -- indignation and wrath,
9tribulation and distress, upon every soul of man that is working the evil, both of Jew first, and of Greek;
10and glory, and honour, and peace, to every one who is working the good, both to Jew first, and to Greek.
11For there is no acceptance of faces with God,
12for as many as without law did sin, without law also shall perish, and as many as did sin in law, through law shall be judged,
13for not the hearers of the law [are] righteous before God, but the doers of the law shall be declared righteous: --
14For, when nations that have not a law, by nature may do the things of the law, these not having a law -- to themselves are a law;
15who do shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also witnessing with them, and between one another the thoughts accusing or else defending,
16in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men, according to my good news, through Jesus Christ.
17Lo, thou art named a Jew, and dost rest upon the law, and dost boast in God,
18and dost know the will, and dost approve the distinctions, being instructed out of the law,
19and hast confidence that thou thyself art a leader of blind ones, a light of those in darkness,
20an instructor of foolish ones, a teacher of babes, having the form of the knowledge and of the truth in the law.
21Thou, then, who art teaching another, thyself dost thou not teach?
22thou who art preaching not to steal, dost thou steal? thou who art saying not to commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou who art abhorring the idols, dost thou rob temples?
23thou who in the law dost boast, through the transgression of the law God dost thou dishonour?
24for the name of God because of you is evil spoken of among the nations, according as it hath been written.
25For circumcision, indeed, doth profit, if law thou mayest practise, but if a transgressor of law thou mayest be, thy circumcision hath become uncircumcision.
26If, therefore the uncircumcision the righteousness of the law may keep, shall not his uncircumcision for circumcision be reckoned?
27and the uncircumcision, by nature, fulfilling the law, shall judge thee who, through letter and circumcision, [art] a transgressor of law.
28For he is not a Jew who is [so] outwardly, neither [is] circumcision that which is outward in flesh;
29but a Jew [is] he who is [so] inwardly, and circumcision [is] of the heart, in spirit, not in letter, of which the praise is not of men, but of God.
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BDaz Translation: Faking it doesn't cut it with God. He sees your heart and he sees your works. It doesn't matter if you're Jewish or Greek God's the judge. Judging others to make ourselves look better doesn't fool God.
BDaz Translation: : Knowledge and words don't matter as much as actions. People who do the right thing are righteous, not people who just know how to hear good doctrine.
BDaz Translation: : God will judge our hearts based on what we know, do and our conscience. There will be nothing hidden. The good news is, we have Jesus ... (this is the key to the rest of the book of Romans)
BDaz Translation: : God's not a real big fan of hypcorisy. If you claim to know something, or claim to have something, you better act like it, especially if you are in the role of teacher or preacher. If you do have superior knowledge, you have the responsiblity of superior actions.
BDaz Translation: : Because hypocrits are giving God a bad reputation.
BDaz Translation: : The outward act of circumcision is useless to God unless it is accompanied by an inner change. And God knows your heart, so don't bother trying to fool Him.
I love your version!! Though I be a minister, I know some things that people hate to hear, but at the same time I am also a human who does make errors and will always make them, but God chose me and I not him and He knows what I am to do and I trust him with all my heart. I fear no doctirne or dogma nor demons or and such thing as Satan because I have God and Jesus in my heart at all times. There is no room for fear.
What becomes of me is up to God, it always has been and always will be.
1 Corinthians 10
1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?bo … ;version=9
Jeremiah 4:4 (King James Version)
4Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?bo … text=verse
Jesus fulfilled the whole law. He was circumsized when He was 8 days old as the law commands. Likewise when he reached the age of 12, He was presented again according to the Jewish law. Not sure but at the age of 12 suggests maybe what is called a BarMitzvah in this day and time.
If the heart is not changed, everything done is for nothing.
Very good Sir Dent. I had not consideref foreskin of the heart in the OT. And I don't remember having read 1 Cor 10:2 ... hmmm... thanks!
Now I wish for you to go and look up those verses in the Young's Literal Translation, and post them here as well...please.
1 Cor 10:2-5:
1 And I do not wish you to be ignorant, brethren, that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, 2 and all to Moses were baptized in the cloud, and in the sea; 3 and all the same spiritual food did eat, 4 and all the same spiritual drink did drink, for they were drinking of a spiritual rock following them, and the rock was the Christ; 5 but in the most of them God was not well pleased, for they were strewn in the wilderness,
[YLT]
Jer 4:4:
Be circumcised to Jehovah, And turn aside the foreskins of your heart, O man of Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem, Lest My fury go out as fire, and hath burned, And there is none quenching, Because of the evil of your doings.
[YLT]
So it is sounding like you can become un-baptised or uncircumsised....trangression of the law or a hardening of the heart. Sounds like you can also baptise or circumsise yourself as well.
I also was under the impression that the original baptism is when you are born...of the womb, we are born in blood and water.
There are many, many views on this subject. I know my church baptises infants as soon as possible. We believe as well in the doctrine of succession, aka the covenant passing on from parents to children (seen in the OT with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and beyond...ever wonder why there are no accounts of children receiving baptism later in life?). We believe baptism replaced circumcision from the old covenant to the new. Circumcision was a sign of faith and God's grace, as such so is baptism.
In Matthew, it's clear Jesus' baptism followed many others:
"Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins."
and in Luke:
"21: And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
22: And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;
23: (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;) "
that's not Bar Mitzvah, I think, but presenting the baby.
"3And did all eat the same spiritual meat; "
BTW, LondonGirl, I have it on good authority that that "spirtual meat" was actually cold pizza, stale corn chips, and Lady Grey tea!
I'll have the tea. I'll leave pizza and cold chips to the rest of you. Chips are lovely when fresh and hot, but cold? Yuck!
American to English translation:
Chips = Crisps.
LOL - We used to call them French Fries until all things French became unpopular at the beginning of the current Gulf War. Since the war is now more unpopular than the French, now we just call 'em "Fries". These are sliced much thinner than English Chips.
The closest thing we have to English Chips (and I'm basing this on your Hub, Mark) are called (at least in the Midwest) Home Fries.
Frankly (pun intended), I think English Chips are much better than French Fries.
I dunno, when you order fish, you get chips but if you order a burger you get fries unless it is at McDonalds in which case you get fish and fries.
We call chips are like Doretos or Pringles, fries are chips unless you are Gordon Ramsey and he makes fresh potato chips which are hot but they just look like hot pototo chips.
Hmmm ... around here you get fries. If you ask for chips you'll get Lays or Doritos or whatever. I've only been to California once, (It was San Deigo, though) ... but I never left the hotel grounds. It was a place called the Del Coranodo. Very nice.
Nice, Hotel Del eh. Did you get a kick out of the warped hallways and doors? You never left the hotel! Your crazy, did you at least go to the beach, not that that one is very nice.
I didn't rent a car that trip. I was there on the company's dime, and they paid cab fare to and from the airport. Yes, I really did enjoy the "old-ness" of the place. I was on a data standards committee, so I was there for a meetings most of the time. In the evenings I just enjoyed the Piano bar. The guy at the piano bar was great. This was before God told me it was OK to drink Jack Daniels, so I sipped coffee and listened to the guy, and just relaxed for about four days.
The food was fantastic. They served us between committee meetings in the court yard.
I didn't know much about the place before I got there. The meeting place, the hours etc. you know just standard conference stuff.
It was winter in Illinois, and my divorce had just been finalized. I had sold my house, and I was in the middle of moving to another state. This was a new company that I was working for, because they had just bought my old one. To say I was stressed out would be an understatement.
Then, out of the blue, I'm told I need to attend this meeting.
Yeah, I went to the beach. It was just what I needed. I didn't bring beach stuff, so I just took off my shoes, rolled up my pant-legs and sat with my feet in the Pacific Ocean. I watched the sun go down, and I just took a break from all the stress.
God knew I needed that.
Alright I got it! I know how you can become unbaptized. http://thanksgod.org/
Is there any official procedure....to be unbaptized....I simply stopped going to Church.
Why bother to get unbaptized? If you get baptized into several religions then you've got all your bases covered just in case!
Getting pissed on by a tramp may work, but only one with cornflakes stuck in his beard and really stinky socks.....I unbaptize you in the name of give us a dollar!
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