Why do christians believe true baptism can only be conducted within one own denomination?
I have been told before that my water baptism would not be accepted by another person's denomination. I have discovered that a number of people who have changed their denomination are required to or go through a second and even a third water baptism by the clergy in their new denomination. I do not belong to any denomination and I have been water baptised only once.
Not all Christians believe in this. The reason that this is prevalent in ORGANIZED Christianity is because those denominations that act in this manner preach doctrines instead of what the bible really teaches. These denominations believe that their doctrines and their churches are the only correct way to serve God. It is because of this doctrine teaching, people are either changing churches or leaving church altogether because they are not being totally fed spiritually. When you are baptized in some churches, you are being baptized as in accepting their doctrines and guidelines rather than in the actual Bible
Deep Minds- WE are baptized in the name of the Father , Son and Holy Spirit. With that said, I don't understand where these different denomination get the idea that they provide true baptism. It's as if one's baptized into their Church. Many thanks
That's exactly what happens. For some churches, baptism is the requirement for you to join as an acceptance into their organization and acceptance of their doctrine.
Norine, Jesus Christ said to baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. If Jesus said it, then that settles it. JESUS is the HEAD of the ECCLESIA whether you like it or not.
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From what I read in the bible, this is what I understand of baptism. When we are saved by the grace of God, the blood of the lamb covers us, therefore baptizing our souls.
Water baptism is being dunked in water and is symbolic as being obedient to the father. Therefore washing away the sins of the flesh. If we really look at this, baptism of water is not needed to get to Heaven. Jesus was perfect, yet baptized. Why, out of obedience to the Father. The blood is sufficient my brother.
JThomps42- I agree this is the process of baptism. I'm wondering why any denomination my feel their baptism is THEE true baptism. And if you not baptized by their clergy then is not a true baptism. Many thanks for your answer and Deep Minds. Blessing
Then I'm not sure what church you are going to. Each hurch has their own perspective and "requirements". The church you attend sounds pretty strict. The demominations that I have attended do not require you have three baptisms. Being baptised is about your relationship with God, it has nothing to do with the denomination. Usually being baptised is also telling the others in the church of your relationship with God, which I don't value. Relationships with God should be no one's business but your own.
lburmaster- Allow me to clarify. I was baptized once. But I know of people who have been in two or even three different denomination and where baptized in each. Why would a denomination not accept the fact the person was already baptized. Thank you.
Sounds like a proud church, or one that firmly believes in showing your faith/having people connected. It is unfortunate, but distortions always occur. No two churches are alike.
Because they are a law unto themselves and a kingdom of men not of God.
Because they are deceived,
2 Thess 2:9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
They think they are the only ones with scriptural truth.
Water baptism of an individual that has truly pledged himself to Christ is valid even if the wording used is different then what is expected. God looks at the heart of the individual being baptized. Whether in the name of Jesus, or the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, both are the same in reality.
The only reason for a 2nd baptism in water would be, as in many cases where an individual was baptized as a child and had no understanding of what was happening, water baptism is to follow a genuine conversion to Christ.
There is need according to scripture for a one time water baptism. We are told to follow Christ's example, He was baptized and we must also be.
This is not as most are taught, a symbolic stance as proof of conversion.
It has a very important reason.
Col 2:11-13 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
Scripture says the natural heart of man is hard, so in water baptism the heart is circumsized, thereby allowing the person to receive the things of God.
There is a large movement that teach water baptism is not necessary, but most of its adherants teach many other strange doctrines as well. If your heart has not been circumsized in water baptism and you have not been baptized in the Holy Spirit, how in the world could you understand scripture. The bible shows both of these baptisms to be necessary, water for the circumcision of the heart to open it to receive the things of God and By the Holy Spirit (who will teach us all things) in order to understand God and the scriptures.
celafoe- I totally agree. Many Thanks
P.S. Please read my last comment in my Hub God's Kingdom now, and gine me your opinion. Many thanks
GRACE, I will get back to you on that in a few days,
Noreen-- just more of your "church false doctine" has nothing to do with baptism
In Ephesians 4.5 we are told that there is 'one Lord, one faith, one baptism.' The Anglican/ Episcopal church believes this and accepts people who have been baptised in other denominations. I think it is sad when one group of Christians does not accept people who have been baptised in another Christian group, but it does happen.
Most denominations have their own set of doctrines that they follow. These doctrines are not always Biblical! Baptism is an act of faith, by obedience. There are many Biblical examples of baptism in the New Testament. If you want a better understanding of Biblical baptism (without denominational doctrine) look at Colossians 2:11-13, 1 Peter 3:20-22, and Romans 6:3-5.
Also, try to find a church that practices from the Bible and not some dotrine that was written from men. This will help you greatly.
I am Catholic and we do not believe that only the Catholic Church can provide valid Baptism. Any Trinitarian Baptism is seen as valid, so if someone is baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit the Church will recognize their baptism (other Churches which Baptize in the name of the Trinity include Lutheran, Anglican, Episcopal, and Orthodox... sure there are many others but I don't know them all). If someone was Baptized only in the name of Jesus, then they would be baptized in the name of the Trinity as part of their initiation into the Church.
I concur. I was raised and baptized as a member of the Baptist Church. When I converted to Catholicism, my Baptist Baptism was accepted without question.
Interesting - Baptist is one of the few that is sometimes not recognized. Simply because many Baptist Churches, baptize in the name of Jesus and not "Father, Son and Holy Spirit." (Or so I've been told - don't have tons of info on topic).
Jesus said to baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and the Holy Spirit. If JESUS said it, then that settle it. So, there is no such thing as a Baptist baptism or a catholic baptism. That kind of thinking is false doctrine garbage.
Christians believe that true baptism can only be conducted by their own denomination simply because they don't understand what Christianity really is. They treat Christianity as a club or fraternity and those who doesn't go through their initiation ceremony cannot become their members.
A good friend of mine once wrote addressing this kind of issue: "I do not nullify the grace of God; for if justification comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing."
Obeying the rules of a church is OK. Of course assuming you can do it in love. Did you know that Catholics accept Episcopalians for the feast. Kind of cool. Episcopalians accept anyone from anywhere. Kind of cool. In my home we accept anyone to eat at the table.I figure if Christ could sit and eat with whores and let them anoint him, I sure got no cause to reject a Buddhist or a Baptist.
I would tell someone in the business of deciding who is welcome and who is not, that they are missing out on the spice of God's creation. We don't talk about circumcision much any more, but Peter got slapped hard in a dream when he succumbed to pressure not to allow the uncircumcised.
I would think that if you joined a new congregation you may want to be baptized there because part of that ritual is getting everyone to agree to help you and not cause you to stumble. That is cool to get a kind of liturgical blessing from a group.
I also reckon that if you have seriously lost your way and really turned your back on Christ for a time, then upon entering a new group to celebrate with you might want a new washing.
But here is the real kicker -- for me --- If I felt comfy in a group that insisted that they baptize me because my previous was not good enough.... then I would no longer feel comfy, would knock the dirt from my Nike's and cruise on.
Eric once again thank you. I believe that there is a strong sense amoung christians that baptism is a sign of membership within a denomination.The point is, baptism does not have a denomination. Blessing.
Ericdierker, I like your comment. Only a very level-headed person can make such a comment. I've yet to come across a real life Christian talking like you. The first thing one pastor asked me when I attended a talk was: "Which church are you from?"
Hey Grace in us, I just got back from preaching and I asked my youth what is a requirement to be baptized? They delighted me. They as a group said: "to accept that you are not perfect and to love Christ". I danced a little jig and we laughed.
Eric- It sounds like you have a good bunch of kids there. And good to hear they love Christ. However, you never mentioned before that you know how to dance :-)
Dance? Maybe, but not reading the Word! We should do as the apostles did Matt 28:20 on Day of Pent when 1st church est regrd baptism! New Cov Jer31:33;Heb8:10;10:16,Promise Jn14:26, Came Acts 2:2, baptized n Jesus' Name afterwards! U can't deny!
I know Presbyterians believe in one Baptism, and like people have mentioned it is in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I know there are other denominations that require the person be older(i.e. no infant baptisms), fully immersed in water, or other differences. Some churches seem to like having the direct line to God, where they get to tell other denominations and churches what they are doing wrong.
I am sorry the other person's denomination would not accept your baptism, but if you believe it is enough to bring you closer to Christ, then it is certainly enough for what truly matters.
Rev. Akins- I should clarify something. My baptism came up in a conversation with a friend off mine. He only mentioned that his church would not accept my baptism if I were in his church. I was not planning to join his church. Thanks for your answer.
This isn't a belief that all Christians share. Some denominations (like Catholic) only consider baptism "valid" if it happens within the Catholic church.
I'm part of the Covenant denomination. We're non-credal, and we don't require that a previously-baptized person be "re-baptized" when switching to our denomination to achieve church membership. Some people choose this out of personal preference, but it's not a requirement. We just require that a person be baptized to get church membership (doesn't matter where that baptism occurred).
I can't speak for all other church denominations, but I do know this of mine.
Our denomination believes that the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, is God's Word and the only perfect rule for faith, doctrine, and conduct. Nowhere does the Bible say that a Presbyterian's baptism should be considered "invalid" by the Catholic Church, or that a Lutheran's baptism should be considered "invalid" by the Methodist church, etc. It's because of this that the Covenant church believes that the sacrament of baptism should not be a cause for division within the Church body.
but your is a church of man if you have a membership for YOUR church so it doesnt matter what you do. There is only one membership and that is by being born again into Christ not a church of man. the commission is bring them to CHrist not your chu
You don't need a membership to ATTEND. By "membership", I mean that a person has the right to vote in church decisions (remodeling, outreach programs, etc.)... Its' not required to worship with the church body.
fine but where do you find the? the modern "church" is not the new testament church. It is a copy of the defunct temple which God deserted when the veil was rent. God is not in your building or structure.
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