I am a Preterist Universalist
Jerami, I'm a little confused. You say a time is equal to 478 yrs. and that a time, times, and half a time equals 1260 days/years(chap.12:7,11)? 478 days/1yr (12 mos) + 956 days/ yrs ( times=24 mos) + 239 days/yrs (1/2 time=6mos) = 1673 days/yrs. This would eliminate chap.12:7,11 as being anywhere near being accurate. As far as Rev.13, time=360 days/yrs (12 mos) + times= 720 days/yrs (24 mos) + 1/2 time= 180 days/yrs (6 mos)= 1260 days/yrs or 42mos. To really understand this prophecy you may need too think about 2300 days/years. This is what Daniel had problems with (verse 8) The day for a year principle numbers among its supporters such names as Augustine, Tichonius, Primasius, Andreas, the Venerable Bede, Ambrosius, Ansbertus, Berengaud, and Bruno Astensis, besides the leading modern expositors. But what is more conclusive than all else is the fact that the prophecies have actually been fulfilled on this principle. This will be found in the prophecy of the 70 wks throughout and all the prophetic periods of Daniel 7 and 12 and Rev. 9, 12, 13. You have actually given me inspiration to write a hub on this matter (70 wks)
Check it out and lets exchange views on Rev and Daniel.In chap8 the manner in which Gabe introduces himself shows that he has come to complete some unfinished mission. We agree on this.This can be nothing less than to carry out the instruction to make this man "understand the vision", as recorded in Dan.8. He says ,"I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding". As the charge still still rested upon him to make Dan. understand, and as he had explained to Dan. in chap8 all that he could then bear, and yet he did not understand the vision, he now comes to resume his work and complete his mission. You and I are still on the same page. As soon as Dan. began his fervent supplication, the commandment came forth; for Gabe to visit Dan., and impart to him the requisite information. The command came forth for Gabe to interpret the vision to Dan. "Understand the matter", he says to Dan. What matter? Evidently that which he did not before understand in the last verse of Dan.8. Agreed? "Consider the vision". What vision? Not the interpretation of Neb's image, nor the vision of Dan.7, for there is no difficulty with either of these; but the vision of Dan.8, in reference to which his mind was filled with astonishment and lack of understanding. "I am come to show thee", also said the angel. The burden of Dan's petition was in respect to the repairing of the desolations of the sanctuary, which lay in ruins. He had undoubtedly drawn the conclusion that the time when the end of the 70 yrs captivity came was the time for fulfillment of what the angel had said in regard to the cleansing of the sanctuary at the end of the 2300 days. Vs24 70 wks. These are the first words the angel uttered to Dan. in imparting to him that instruction which he came to give. Why did he abruptly introduce a period of time? We again refer to chap8.Some parts of the vision were at the time clearly explained. That could not be the problem. In that vision four prominent thinds are brought to view: the ram, the he-goat, the little horn, and the period of 2300 days. The symbols were explained, but nothing was said respecting theperiod of time. This must therefore have been the point that he did not understand. There are four events whichcan be taken as answering to the commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. 1) the decree of Cyrus for the rebuilding of the temple, 536bc.(Ezra1:1-4). 2) The decree of Darius for the prosecution of that work which had been hindered, 519bc (Ezra6:1-12). 3) The decree of Artaxerxes to Ezra, 457bc (Ezra7). 4) The commission to Nehemiah from the same king in his 20th year, 444bc (Neh.2). With the first two of these decrees, the 70 prophetic weeks, or 490 literal yrs, would fall many years short of reaching even to the Christian era.These two decrees made a beginning of the work. They were preliminary to what was afterward accomplished. Now reckoning from the commission of Nehemiah, 444bc, the 69 wks, or 483 yrs, which were to extend to the Mashyach would bring us to a.d.40; but Yahusha was baptized by John 13 yrs before (S.Bliss, Analysis of Sacred Chronology, pp180,182; Karl Weiseler, A Chronological Synopsis of the Four Gospels, pp.164-247). I know to you, so called expert opinion means nothing, but, to me it beats the heck out of guessing
(no sarcasm intended). Acording to this calculation, the midst of the last or 70th wk, which is marked by the crucifixion, is placed in 44 a.d., but the cruxifixion took place in 31a.d., 13 yrs previous. And lastly, the 70 wks, or 490 yrs, dating from the 20th year of Artaxerxes, would extend to a.d.47, with absolutely nothing to mark their termination. So if that be the year, and the grant to Nehemiah the event, from which to reckon, the prophecy has proven a failure. It is evident that the decree granted to Ezra in the 7th year of Artaxerxes, 457a.d., is the point from which to date the 70 wks. That was the going forth of the decree in the sense of the prophecy. The two previous decrees were preparatory and preliminary to this. Indeed they are required by Ezra as parts of it, the three being taken as one great whole. For in Ezra6:14 we read: "They builded , and finished it, according to the commandment of the Alahym of Israel, and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia". It will be noticed that the decrees of these three kings are spoken of as one, showing they are all reckoned as a unit, the different decrees being but the successive steps by which the work was accomplished. This decree could not be said to have "gone forth" as intended by the prophecy, until the last permission which the prophecy required was embodied in the decree, and clothed with the authority of the empire. This point was reached in the grant to Ezra, but not before. Here the decree assumed the proportions and covered the ground demanded by the prophecy, and from this point its "going forth" should be dated. Will these dates harmonize if we reckon from the decree to Ezra (457a.d.)? I've already written a hub here, so to keep from boring anyone, any longer, I'll write that hub
I never called you a simpleton. I 'm just in disagreement with your time line. You leave broken sentences and thoughts dangling at times and I find it difficult to follow you sometimes
We have each given our opinion and again I respectfully agree to disagree. The cows have come in. " Darius the Meade, that is, Cyaxares, the uncle of Cyrus, took the kingdom; for Cyrus allowed him the title of all his conquests as long as he lived." At the taking of Babylon Cyrus, as an act of courtesy, assigned the first place in the kingdom to his uncle Darius. in 538b.c. But 2 yrs later Darius died, leaving Cyrus sole monarch of the empire. Daniel is a book of prophecy as is Rev. Many are confused by them and I don't won't to start all over again as what I see (partly) as why Have a good one
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