The Book Of Revelations.

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  1. always exploring profile image76
    always exploringposted 14 years ago

    Can anyone explain the book of revelations? I am very confused when reading it.
    Thank You

    1. qwark profile image60
      qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The book of "revelations" and Dantes "inferno" are 2 of my favorite, gruesome and disgusting fairytales. Read 'em once....barfed!!.. and swore I'd never touch 'em again....and I'm a man-of-my-word!

    2. Flightkeeper profile image66
      Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You have a lot of company.  Basically Revelations causes a lot of questions. It is clearly an apocalyptic work because it talks about the end of time. But there's lot of debate and questions as to whether it's prophetic or allegory, etc. You can read it as one person's projection and even then there's debate as to who the author was.

      I think it's all very interesting.

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      Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      this might help

      "The revelation of Y`shua Moshiach,"
      everything within pertains to Him.

      { also have 2 hubs -so far- on the subject }

    4. manlypoetryman profile image81
      manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Explain it? There are 22 Chapters of symbolism and prophecy. Most preachers and Theologians would take a very good long while to formulate any kind of explanation. Let's just keep it simple...Everything in Revelations will come to pass at some point in time...if you believe in the words of the Bible.

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      SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      First thing I am going to ask is why do you want it explained? No man can explain things like God can. Goid reveals instead of just speaking and explaining.

      The book of Revelation was written by someone who was really close to Jesus. It is actually a Revelation of Jesus Christ.

      1. Jerami profile image59
        Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

        The Revelation which God gave to Jesus and instructed him to give it to his servants

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          SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Rev 1:1  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

          1. Disappearinghead profile image60
            Disappearingheadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            There's the point. It was SIGNIFIED. The defintion of a sign is symbology, parable, analogy. We read the Revelation as literal to our own cost.

            Does Jesus walk around with a broadsword hanging out His mouth? No
            Is a dragon going to walk up your local beach? No
            Do eagles talk? No
            Can thunder speak? No
            Can Babylon rise again? No it is desolate today.
            etc, etc through the first 18 chapers
            Is the Lake of Fire literal? No it cant be as that is not logical in the loght of the symbology.

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              Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

              It can also mean to declare..Not just symbol..There are words that have more than one meaning.  But I guess humans use the ones that make them the most comfortable.

    6. M.A.Noble profile image66
      M.A.Nobleposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I believe I cannot promote my hubpages but I can suggest that you may find some of the answers to your questions within my hubs.  I shall soon be writing more on the revelations but there is already plenty to read and I specifically try to keep it as simple as possible, but I am always happy to answer any questions. You would be welcome

      1. always exploring profile image76
        always exploringposted 14 years agoin reply to this

        Thank You. I am interested.

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        Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this


  2. Jerami profile image59
    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    In my opinion the Revelation is part two of a two part story.The book of Daniel  is part one.
      Daniel describes the events that are to take place from 506 BC up and including the dispersion of the Hebrew Nation in
    135 to 138AD.
      Revelation is part two of this story. As in any sequal there is an overlap of information.
      Revelation began with Jesus ariving in heaven, seen as a bloody Lamb as it had just been slain. He immediately takes the book and begins opening the seals.  This is a story of the things to come in their future beginning with the opening of the seals (30AD) and continues to unfold during the next 2000 years. 
       At least this is the way that I see it.

    1. caravalhophoto profile image62
      caravalhophotoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      i was actually going to suggest reading the Book of Daniel...glad you explained the reasons.

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        Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this

        Daniel, Sh-maniel. jeje
        Daniel prophecy to the Kings of Babylon.
        (after him were 7 other prophets & the time of judges).

        (Exiles in Babylon, return starts in early 538)
        ( Temple Rebuilt in 516 )

        no offense, but the obsession with Daniel are preacher hairballs.
        the time of kings & prophets & judges is complete.

        -IF -and a strong if, Y`shua is returning to earth -again- why is there no mention of a second resurrection? why send the Spirit? Why Him return to the highest place at all?
        think about it.

        1. Jerami profile image59
          Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I realy prefer to have discusion than debate.
            You seem to be saying that the book of Daniel is insignifigant. I will debate that.
            My obsession with Daniel is because these visions and visitations from Gabriel makes this book one of the most important books included in the cannon.
            I do not recall a signifigant amount of prophesy coming from any prophet after Daniel.
            Ezekiel's last prophesy was recorded about 15 years before Daniels first vision.
            Malach and Nehemiah are both believed to have been written by Ezra. I do not recall these three books nor Ester shareing much prophesy. So we only have five authors after Daniel. And they did not contain much prophesy.
             As I said before; The Book of Daniel is "THE" most prolific book of prophesy recorded in the Old testament. 
             The book of Revelation "IS" Part two of a two part story.
              The Interpretations given in the book of Daniel must be used when attempting to understand the book of Revelation.

             Why do we think that we have to Interpret the word of God??
             If everyone  felt that we have to interpret everything that he says...  We will end up with 1000's of diffrent interpretations of the word of God, ...  and then no one will know what to believe.

  3. Jerami profile image59
    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    I don't think that any Prophesy was intended to remain a mystery after it's fulfillment.
       As in the case of Daniels visions. They were not much of a mystery when he recieved them. Gabriel gave the clear spoken interpretation of these visions. Four kingdoms will recieve dominion over the Hebrew Nation. Babylon, then Persia followed by Greece. Then the prophesy mentions that Greece will divide into four kingdoms and out of one of these smaller kingdon the "Little horn will rise.  The Roman Empire was not specifically named because it was at that time a small village that was not known by Daniel.
       When these prophesy came to fulfillment, the Hebrew people understood them. There was no mystery as to their meaning.

       It was only after this truth was rejected that
    "THE  MYSTERY" came into being. People began interpretating scripture in an attempt to find another answer that they could like better.  The truth is that every prophesy spoken of in the Book of Daniel was fulfilled when that Hebrew Nation ceased to exist in 135- 138 AD.  The times of the gentiles began on that day.
        Rejection of this truth has created a "Great Mystery".

  4. kess profile image62
    kessposted 14 years ago

    Ask the questions And I will give went answers.

    It's tedious answering question that did not ask.

  5. Jerami profile image59
    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    The difficulty in understanding the book of Revelation is that, "where" we begin reading, and what those things are that we assume to be facts; dictates our conclusions.
        I sudjest reading those things that Jesus is said to have said about it.  Establish "that" as a foundation on which we build our understanding. When we read something that we can not see as conforming to the simply stated comments of Christ, set them aside and continue studying. We can come back to those things at a later date when we do see them as conforming to those things that Christ taught. 
        The difficult part of understanding Revelation is to deprogram ourselves of our preconcieved ideas.
    Interpretations that have been circulating for centuries.

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    sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago

    The best book I've read on Revelations was Hal Lindsey's ,"Late Great Planet Earth." It's worth a

    1. Disappearinghead profile image60
      Disappearingheadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Isw that film. apparntly the world was going to end in 1985/86.

  7. getitrite profile image71
    getitriteposted 14 years ago

    The obvious answer is that the book of Revelations is a confusing work, loaded with threats.  It is, of course, not to be taken seriously by modern people.  It was written by our ancesters, who were less advanced. In short, it tells Brazen lies about things that are to come in the end.  And it does so in a very unclear method, with words no longer used[diadem?} and symbolisms for things and places that are no longer relevant.

  8. earnestshub profile image80
    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Revelations reads like the quoran, a sky fairy is gonna kill almost everyone, cos it is pissed that they don't want to worship the poor wittle thing!

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    Twenty One Daysposted 14 years ago

    i hate quoting, but here goes:

    The revelation of Y`shua Moshiach (Jesus Christ), which [The Father] gave [Y`shua] to show his servants what must soon take place. [Y`shua] made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw— that is,

    the Word of God
    the testimony of Y`shua Moshiach (Jesus Christ)

    anyone catch that at the beginning of the letter?

    -if we have the mind of Anointing, it should be evident.
    -all prophecy is fulfilled, now all things are make known, no longer hidden, the veil torn, temple destroyed and a new temple made, not of law/consciousness, but one of grace. Proven by the resurrected "firstborn from among the dead" and "ruler of the kings of the earth"...

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      SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Just to let you know, I love quoting scriptures when they calrify something one way or the other.

    2. Jerami profile image59
      Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I have always felt that all prophesy of the Old Testament was fulfilled with the scattering of that Hebrew Nation.
        But the revelation prophesy began their fulfillment at that time. My thoughts any way.

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      Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Could I ask why you call him Y'Shua?
      He came to reveal the Father's name which is Yah..So his name is Yah Shua

  10. Jerami profile image59
    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    Come up hither and I will shew the things which must be Hereafter  (here and now; and after)

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    Twenty One Daysposted 14 years ago

    We must ask this: what is the purpose of prophecy?
    to reveal truth.

    Once Truth Manifest, what need is there for prophecy?
    Once the Helper comes, He will lead us into ALL Truth.
    where then is the need for prophecy afar off?
    The word & Spirit dwell in us, the fullness of Him that is all in all.

    it is amazing indeed, this thing called Grace.

    { can't wait to finish writing this book - adam, the ones who angels served }

  12. Jerami profile image59
    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    There was much prophesy pertaining to events that are to take place after the fulfillment of the previous prophesy that was directed to that Hebrew Nation.
       The Old testament prophesy was finished upon the scattering of the power of the holy people (135-138 AD) Daniel 12:7
       And then...  a time times and half a time before the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

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    Twenty One Daysposted 14 years ago

    Daniel is a hot topic within a lot of 'end time' thinking.
    considering Daniel prophecy was during the 70 exile and way before Malachi -who is the 'seal of the prophets' {according to Talmud}.

    Daniel visions were during Babylonian captivity & taking of Jerusalem in like 550 BC, he was also an adviser to Nebuchadnezzar.

    So placing him 2,500 years later is a stretch for me...

    1. Jerami profile image59
      Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Daniel 1:1 establishes the beginning of the book at 606 BC Nebeuchadnezzars dream lould have been in 604 or 605.
        The events in Chapter 9 happened around 538 BC.
        Chapters 11 and 12 when Daniel was told to seal the book and the prophesy also ocured around 538 BC. Could this have been one of the seals judgments?
      Concerning the seal of the prophets according to the Talmud I am unfamilar.
        Sounds intresting.

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        Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this

        Again, there is nothing to connect the Revelation of Y`shua Moshiach written by John.

        Malachi was called the 'seal of the prophets' meaning the last of them until Y`shua manifest.

        Remember, Y`shua is the Word, He is both Prophecy & Prophet.
        Him opening the 'seals' shows His authority in revealing all hidden truth to us. If we read the seals accurately, we see that.

        1. Jerami profile image59
          Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I mean  no disrespect. I am aware that there was a period of approx 400 years that the prophets were not sent to Israel.
             Until Y'shua came to fulfill the word and prophesy.

             It is my understanding that God sent Jesus to John the apostle to show him the Revelation.
             It is also my understanding that some of these things had already been seen and some still was and some of the revelation was concerning things to come. If this is not correct I would appreciate being shown how this can be corrected.

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    Twenty One Daysposted 14 years ago

    absolutely true. The Father instructed Y`shua to send this word to John. Why him, is the real question.

    the Revelation is progressive from the fall to the resurrection.
    body, mind & spirit it shows the work of Y`shua/The Word, imo.

    1. Jerami profile image59
      Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The first verse actually says that God sent Y'shua to shew unto his servantS. Could he have shewn this to all of his servantS or al least many of them, and John was the only one that wrote a letter about it. or his letter the only one that was preserved??

  15. earnestshub profile image80
    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    I can help with the 3 bears and little red riding hood. smile

    1. Daniel Carter profile image61
      Daniel Carterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Ahh, yes, and then there are the meanings of fairy tales, which are perpetuated and kept by societies for generations as being "as significant" in their meanings as the scriptures. I find that very intriguing. Humans need and want symbolism and story-telling in their lives to help them make sense of life.

      1. earnestshub profile image80
        earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

        "Man and his symbols" is a good read on this subject. : ) Many post Jungians such as Von Franz and Hillman carried this further and provide a good foundation for furthering therapy.
        Many here could gain from a bit of Jung.

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      Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this


  16. figment profile image74
    figmentposted 14 years ago

    Mu favorite scripture out of revelations is 20:12.  But honestly I think Revelations is just a picture painted of the constellations during the time John wrote it.

  17. Daniel Carter profile image61
    Daniel Carterposted 14 years ago

    The Book of Revelations is written like a dream, similarly to the book of Daniel. If you understand dreams and what they mean, you get a better feel for what's really going on. However, the difference between revelation and a dream is that many of the images are symbols, and the symbols have a specific definition. There are many scholars who have written about the images and symbols, and those readings are fairly easy to find.

    A side note: The book of Isaiah contains a huge number of literary images. It's important to know the difference between literary images and dream images to understand the perspective of the writers of each book.

  18. Jerami profile image59
    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    In the book of Daniel all of the visions were interpreted by Gabriel. therefore they need no further interpretation.
      Gabriel interpretated these images to be talking about the first four kingdoms to have dominion over that Hebrew Nation that came to the end of "ITS" days around 135 AD.
      Therefore the characters and events described in these visions
    belong in that time period.
      I believe that when these same images are described in Revelation they are pretaining to these same kingdoms in some way.
      I believe that Revelastion is something like a sequal to the book of Daniel. Where Daniel ends Revelation picks up. As in most sequals there is an overlaping of subject matter.

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    Twenty One Daysposted 14 years ago

    which is why the Revelation is of Y`shua Moshiach.
    He, the fulfillment of all prophecy. all of it.
    unless He had fulfilled it all, He would not be able to claim his birthright as firstborn from among the dead, under covenant agreement, and restore us to Grace.

    ..i only stress this: Y`shua said: all things have passed away, behold, i make all things new... it is done...

    we then see the Kingdom of Heaven/New Jerusalem.
    where is this kingdom?
    who is the kingdom?
    who are its priests? (see Rev 1)

    so, no longer do we need to know. we have been given all things.
    this is the new covenant.
    no more sin, death, pain, fear, etc etc etc for those who "overcome" the consciousness -the original sin.

    The entire purpose of His manifestation was for this alone: to restore us to Grace.

  20. Jerami profile image59
    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    For the past 10 years I have been  diligently "attempting" to rid myself of false interpretations and preconcieved ideas concerning what I am reading.
      And I agree that Y'shua fulfilled all of the Previous prophesy as told in the Old testament. I forget where, but he even says so. That he has fulfilled all things prophesied concerning him, except for his coming again. He said that he would do that in their near future.
       BUT  the prophesy as given in the book of Revelation was given 60 years later.  Therefore I feel that Y'ashua could not have fulfilled them all; for he said, write the things that you have seen, those that are and those to come.
       He could not have fulfilled those prophesy that had not been given yet.
       I firmly believe that six of the seven seals were opened  in the 1st century. The seventh was opened in 135-138 AD; When the power of the Holy people was scattered.
       Six of the seven trumpets were sounded before 900 AD.
       Six of the seven bowls have been poured out starting with the bubonic plague.
       All prophesy has been fulfilled except for the sounding of the seventh trumpet and seventh bowl judgments.

       "To me", this is the only way that it "ALL" makes sence.

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    Twenty One Daysposted 14 years ago

    between the 6th/7th seal, we see the tribes of israel sealed and the great multitude who came out of the great tribulation.
    silence for a span of 30 minutes
    the golden sensor.

    coincidentally, during the 6th/7th trumpets, 6/7th seals & 6/7th viles/bowls we see the same events: thunder, lighting, flashes, earthquake.

    here is where another proof comes in, during the trumpets -

    "There will be no more delay! But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of Elohim will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets."

    this tells me the fulfillment of old covenant, as with the seals.
    what happens as the 7th trumpet is sounded? We see the Ark of the Covenant and the temple of Elohim opened.

    it is all symbolic of Y`shua fulfilling and revealing the truth, the new covenant, Grace.

    ps, a sidebar note: during the vile/bowl passages:

    The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom -these were the ten tribes. Only Judah & Israel had kings. The other ten did not...

    now for the summation of why I think all prophecy is fulfilled:

    REV 19:10

    Worship Elohim [The father]. For the Testimony of Y`shua IS the spirit of prophecy."

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      Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Yah is God the Father..the all in all...Elohim is both aspects of God and means Mother Father God. Both the male and female attributes of God.

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    Twenty One Daysposted 14 years ago

    Here is the best part of the letter:

    In the final passages, we see Y`shua on a horse, a robe dipped in blood, many crowns upon his head.

    It is in this instance, watch very closely, that the 'thousand years reign'.

    one day = 1,000 years [ psalm 9:40 ]; [ 2Peter 3:8 ].
    when did this event occur?

    1. This is the first resurrection
    2. The second death has no power over them (spirit)
    3. The dead are judged, death and Hell are thrown into the lake.

    Y`shua states upon his resurrection, He had swallowed up death and hell. He now holds the keys to the Abyss. Could it be then, that the fulfillment of this was during the three days?
    I believe so.

    The letter closes with the New Jerusalem, which has no temple, for the dwelling place of the Spirit is now again with mankind.

    So, has the Spirit come upon mankind again?
    Has the law been fulfilled?
    Have the prophets received their reward?
    Has the Lamb been crowned King eternal?
    Does the Kingdom of Elohim dwell in you?

    if yes to any of these, then the words of this letter have been fulfilled. Grace has now come.

  23. Jerami profile image59
    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    You may be correct??  But I understand these verse to indicate that after the sixth trumpet ... The actual Oficial rescurection takes place. Satan is bound for the 1000 years.
    He had already given power to the beast (C13). This beast was given 42 prophetic months to blaspheme during which time the 1000 years that Satan is bound passes by..   At the end of the 1000 years Satan was loosed to bring together the kings of the earth to the battle of Armageddon.    When the sixth trumpet was sounded.. and Satan the beast and false prophet are seen having three spirits coming out of each of their mouths that go forth to gather the kings together to batle.
      These two discriptions are of the same battle.
        This indicates that the seals, trumpets and vials/bowls can not be simultaneous. And as you mentioned.. the space of time between the 7th seal and the trumpets being handed out.
        I believe that prophesy has been on going in their fulfillment since the 1st century.
        The seals upon the Hebrew Nation that had reject Christ, The trumpet judgments upon the The Roman Empire and the Bowl judgments upon the beast that rose up out of the sea(Rev C 13)
        I have what seems to me to be a clear view of this going down in this manner.

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      Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      that passage is AFTER the bowls/viles are complete (rev. 20:4 ).

      "This is the first resurrection".

  24. Jerami profile image59
    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    Every preacher, or pastor teaches that a day in prophesy equals a year on earth. I believe that it is a bit longer than that but this is another issue. If this is true it would always be true with only one exception.
         My first hub was on this issue A day = a year not.
      A month is 30 days therefore 42 months is 1260 days. Or 1260 of our years according to them.
       Satan gives the beast his power and his seat.
       Satan is bound in the bottomless pit for a thousand years.
       The 1000 years would be contained within the 42 months that the beast was given.
       REV.(20:3) He was bound until 1000 years be fulfilled   
       REV. (20:7& 8) Released to to gather the kings of the earth to the battle.
       REV. (16:12)  And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates (16:13)  and I saw three unclean spirits coming out of the mouths of the Dragon,and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
      And these spirits go out and gather the kings of the whole world to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
      "Armagetton".. these two discriptions are of the same battle.
      The sixth vial is poured out at least 1000 years after the first rescurection.

       Chapter 20 describes those being beheaded reigning in heaven with Christ for 1000 years. It does not say that Christ will come to the earth and there be 1000 years of peace on earth.
      You might be asking why is this 1000 years not prophetic years?  52 weeks on earth is described as being a year..
            52 prophetic weeks are described as a "Time"

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    Twenty One Daysposted 14 years ago

    Jerami, the "thousand years" is the time from the King to the King of kings. David to Y`shua. Thus the term reign.

    From David to Y`shua was the time of the prophets/judges.
    David is the first to mention the notion of 1,000 years being a day in Songs of David #90. It is mentioned only again by Peter.

    -again, though twice in that paragraph is mentioned:

    This is the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them. Why? Because they already died in body before salvation/fulfillment of the prophecy-testimony.

  26. Jerami profile image59
    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    Are you saying that  Satan was bound after the time of King David until the Messiah??
      I think that one 1000 year reference does not have anything with the other 1000 years reference. 

      I do not know what the truth is...  I only know what the KJV of the bible says when we eliminate interpretations.. Yea Buts..
    When he said that, what he meant to say was....

       Looking at what Gabriel is said to have said...
      I believe that the formula for prophetic days =ing ?? was given in Daniel 9 when (in approx 538BC) Gabriel said that in 62 weeks they were going to kill the Messiah. 
    I believe that this is the formuls that we should use when attempting to understand the time frame in prophesy.
      By applying this equation every time that a period of time is mentioned in the book of revelation... A chronoligical timeline will be established.
      If Gabriel said this around 538 BC and they did kill the Messiah between 26 and 33 AD, I will continue to believe that
    this formula is true for understanding the prophetic timeline.
    This is the foundation of my belief system concerning prophesy.

      This equates too
      One day = approx. 1.3 years
      One Week = 9.1 to 9.2 years
      A season is 13 weeks so it = approx 119 years
      42 month = 1638 to 1662 years
      52 prophetic weeks = A Time ... For this reason the term 1000 years must be refering to 1000 years of earth time.

      After much cross checking I believe that one prophetic week = 9.3 to 9.6 of our years.

      Unless it can be proven to me that Gabriel did not say this in approx 538 BC and the Messiah was not crucified around 26 to 33 AD. I am going to continue believing this timeline.

      I think that this Equation is much more significant than any one wants to recognize.

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    Twenty One Daysposted 14 years ago

    again, it is symbolic, Jerami. The 'times and dates' really don't apply.

    After Daniel are 7 additional prophets, including Ezekiel.
    Why Daniel is so emphasized is beyond me.

    Even still, look at the passage itself -literally, not figuratively.

    I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Y`shua and because of the word of Elohim.

    { that is important. see rev 13 }

    They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands.

    They came to life and reigned with Y`shua a thousand years.
    (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of Elohim and of Y`shua and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

    So, when was the first resurrection?
    it all points to Y`shua and the resurrection
    -of which the Word & Testimony (the spirit of prophecy) is witness.

    The entire letter is about Y`shua: His manifestation, His authority, His death, His resurrection and fulfillment of ALL requirements under covenant agreement...

  28. Jerami profile image59
    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    Twenty one days  You seem to be holding firm onto your theological interpretation. And I can respect that.
       I also am unaware that there were 7 prophets after Daniel.
    I am aware of Malach,around (443BC) and Zachariah and Haggi who ministered around 520BC.

      I Emphasize Daniel because these visions are detailed descriptions of events beginning in 506 BC through the dispensation of the Hebrew Nation some 676 years later.

       In my belief; The misinterpretations that have come from this book have been the sourse of most of the confusion seen in the Churches today.

       After years of analizing what is actually written in the book of Daniel, seeing past all of the interpretations that I had been hearing all of my life, I recieved a diffrent view point. 
       There is a reason that Daniel recorded these visions and Gabriels interpretations.
       There is a reason why God sent His messenger Angel Gabriel with this message to Daniel.
       There is a reason that in 538 BC Gabriel told Daniel that they were going to kill the Messiah at the end of 62 weeks.

       This is a very important statement !!
       Not to be ignored.
       God thought it important enough to have it delivered.
       But to run this through our thought process, the outcome does not agree with what religion teaches nor what we wanted to hear.
       If everything in the bible is only symbolism ??????????
    Then everyones personal interpretation would be corect.
       I personally do not believe that. But to each  their  own.

  29. Jerami profile image59
    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    @ Twenty One .
       I don't think that we are thinking as diffrently as you think that we are.
       I think that both concepts are mostly true.
       Most of what you are saying fits rather nicely with my analogy. I take Daniel more literally, which only changes your analogy slightly.
       The Messial was killed after 62 weeks and overcame death.
       But is was to be 69 weeks unto Messiah the Prince. What does this mean?
        It was after the man Child (Rev 12) was caught up into heaven that the battle between the Dragon and Christ took place and the Dragon was cast down to the earth. And then after a little time passes that the woman in taken into the wilderness where they shall feed her there for 42 months and she hides from the face of the serpent for a time times and a half.
       I think that your analogy  (as I understand it)  would be absolutely correct when the time line is adjusted to agree with these things that Gabriel foretold.
       When the 14 emperor of Rome comes to his end.."At that time shall Michael stand up for the children of thy people".
      "And at that time thy people shall be delivered..."
      "And many of them that sleep in the dust..."

    I believe that "at that time" all of the Old Testament prophesy was fulfilled.
      The Revelation was given to John around 95- 96 AD.
      These prophesy was concerning things that had already happened, things that were and things to come.

      Other than these things; Out theories are quite similar.
    Instead of argueing the diffrences; lets say we work on the commonalities and discuss the diffrences by saying ...
    "Well have you considered this or that".

  30. iantoPF profile image80
    iantoPFposted 14 years ago

    I felt challenged by the original question so I wrote a Hub on it. Probably in disagreement with most of those contributing to this thread. My views tend to be secular regarding the Bible. To me John is referring more to things that are happening in his day and is assuring the followers that their troubles will soon be over. He also uses Babylonian mythology in his symbolism.

    1. Jerami profile image59
      Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      My question is and always have been.....
      Why does this have to have our interpretation???
         Why can it not mean exactly what it says according to the interpretations given to us by Gabriel?????

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    Twenty One Daysposted 14 years ago

    that is also used. I prefer Y`shua.
    some use Yah shua but to me it is too close to Joshua...

    Hi Deborah, how are things?

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      Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I know many English people say it is the same as Joshua. However it has nothing to do with the name Joshua.
      Y'Shua isn't a name..It is Yah Shua. Pronouncing the Ah like when you say ah for the Doctor. There is only one name.

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    Twenty One Daysposted 14 years ago

    there are no parts to the story. it is one story.
    as i said, after the trumpets and wrath we see the Ark of the Covenant, in revelation. If nothing else is a sign -that is.

    Everything comes back to covenant -everything.
    so no matter how many or few prophecies came from many or few prophets is irrelevant.
    As is Gabriel, an angel, who serves both you and I.
    Daniel is not THE most prophetic of letters. If truth be told, David was a 'greater' prophet than any. He is both prophet and king. Solomon proved that wisdom was even greater than prophecy.

    All prophets came to show men things until Y`shua came. All the prophets -all of them- and the Law were precursors to Y`shua.

    There is nothing after Him to prophecy about. All prophecy is to reveal the mystery of Y`shua Moshiach: living, crucified, buried, descended, resurrected and ascended. Read ANY psalm, prophecy, law, event, symbol, king, chronicle, prose or letter.
    All of them the Spirit gave to show us the way.
    There is nothing after him. He has fulfilled ALL LAWS & ALL PROPHECIES.

    as it is written: "It is finished".

    No matter how we slice it, we cannot 'un-finish' what is already done. May are convinced of the latter of the law or the letter of prophecy. both are missing the point. The most significant 'book of prophecy' is Y`shua. And there are not enough books in all the world to explain His works.

    I implore you Jerami, let go of these notions. their reward -the revealing of Y`shua. Now is the fullness of the dwelling place come unto man - Great Grace.

  33. melpor profile image89
    melporposted 14 years ago

    The Book of Revelations is the dream John had while he was in exile on Patmos.  The book is not a prediction of the future as most people believe it to be. It is referring to events that supposedly had taken place in the first century.

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      Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      again, a false truth.

      the opening of the letter:

      "The revelation of Y`shua Moshiach..."

      1. aka-dj profile image67
        aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this

        "A false truth"....not only an oxymoron, but  one I have never heard before.
        Congratulations on it's originality, (if indeed you coined the term)!! lol

      2. profile image0
        Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

        No it isn't.

    2. Jerami profile image59
      Jeramiposted 14 years ago

      More than anything else..I am going to believe those things that is written that God, Jesus and Gabriel said.
         I am going to do my best to not influence the meaning of their words with my interpretations.
         I believe that Gabriel came to Daniel with a message fron God.
         I believe that Daniel wrote these things because he thought them to be important.
         Gabriel said...
        I have come to give you skill and understanding..
        The commandmens has gone forth.
         Know therefore and understand ( these words makes this sound important)  that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks and three score and two weeks,...
         And after three sore and two weeks shal Messiah be cut off, ...

         Ezra 1:2 Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The Lord God of Heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth and he hath CHARGED me to build him an house in Jerusalem, which is in Judea. Cyrus then commanded that all Hebrews that desired to, to be allowed to return to Jerusalem to rebuild the city and the temple. Materials were also given for the project.

        This message seems to be of most importance and I can not disregard this fact.
         In 538 BC Gabriel said that the Messiah shall be killed in 62 weeks.  (approx 568 years later they did)
         How can this not be an important statement.

      62 prophetic weeks = approx. 568 years.
      This seems "very" signifigant to me.

    3. kess profile image62
      kessposted 14 years ago

      The revelation belongs to those with the Spirit of Christ. The book made it clear when it is written "no man was found worthy except the lion of the Tribe of Judah".

      The book is the revelation of all things.

      The seven seals are the seven
      division of time.

      The four horsemen are what has gone before.
      The Christ
      The man
      The law
      The death.

      The other three seals are.
      5: The prayers of the saints and prophets.
      6: The begining of the end.
      7: The end .

      Up to the end of chapter 11 was devoted to the things within the six seals.

      Then from chapter 12 it shows these things again from a different angle.

      It is clear Those who place pen to paper to reveal the things of the future, did not expect nor intend for  all to know what are written, except the Spirit gives an interpretation of their symbolism.

      Look at The book of enoch the first man to write about these things.

      1. TheGlassSpider profile image64
        TheGlassSpiderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

        Hi there Kess smile How are you?

    4. kess profile image62
      kessposted 14 years ago

      Hello there, I guess you have moved on by now,
      Sometimes I just post and leave at once.

    5. iantoPF profile image80
      iantoPFposted 14 years ago

      I've been interested by this exchange. just a few thoughts. The English equivelent of Jesus hebrew name would be Yeshua or Joshua. (J is pronounced as Y) The new Testament was written in Greek and since Greek does not have the "sh" sound, they have no letter for it. So they left it as "s". Also, because most Greek names and with an s Joshua became Jesus as Moshe became Moses.
      Other than that, the book of Daniel is hardly prophetic. It was written about 150 BC purporting to be from Babylonian times. This is obvious by the references. he has the occurrences around the time of the Maccabean revolt highly accurate while his description of Babylon and it's rulers is almost totally wrong.
      For this reason, and the lateness of the writing, In the Jewish Tanakh or body of scripture, Daniel is not included amongst the prophets, the book is amongst the Ketuvim, or writings. In other words, an inspired and inspiring work but not prophetical.


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