The Fall
- Sooner28posted 10 years ago
0Hey Sooner. How are you doing.
Sorry, but I think you need to take this biblical fantasy back to the drawing board.
If Adam and Eve already possessed the potential to follow or not to follow Gods instructions, they certainly would know they had a choice, but it does not follow that they would know one choice was good and the other evil.
Hi Sooner.
“If morality is based on God’s commands…then they would have to understand it was wrong to disobey God.” Egad, Igor! Sooner is changing the narrative by introducing another false assumption not stated in his original biblical fable.
In the OP statement you falsely equated the “potential to disobey God”= “knowledge of good and evil.” Having the ability to disobey is not the same as understanding the consequences of the act.
Now you say, “morality is based on God’s commands”= “knowledge of good and evil.” Wrong again, my friend. Defining morality in your second post does not mean they understood the concept in your first post.
While Adam and Eve were enjoying Eden and each other, they knew nothing about morality or immorality. They had no concept of good or evil. They did comprehend that God told them not to mess with this one tree but they could NOT comprehend that following his instructions was “good” and not following his instructions was “evil.” Not until after they finished their fresh-off-the-branch desert did this distinction became clear.
Finally, Sooner, please do not try to argue these points with me. You see, I prayed to Adam and he filled me in with the facts as they really happened. He told me you have it all wrong.Hello Quil,
“If morality is based on God’s commands…then they would have to understand it was wrong to disobey God.” Egad, Igor! Sooner is changing the narrative by introducing another false assumption not stated in his original biblical fable."
In the OP statement you falsely equated the “potential to disobey God”= “knowledge of good and evil.” Having the ability to disobey is not the same as understanding the consequences of the act."
I agree that having the ability to disobey is not the same as understanding the consequences of the act. But, under divine command theory, that isn't required! All the divine command theorist requires is that God command something, or prohibit something, and that is the only moral question we should ask. http://www.iep.utm.edu/divine-c/
Here the theist Christian philosopher William Lane Craig sums it up by using God's commands to justify the slaughter of the Canaanites. http://www.reasonablefaith.org/slaughte … canaanites
Your objection to divine command theory is a good one! That's why I don't believe it. I didn't mean to imply I was using my own moral philosophy to evaluate Adam and Eve. I stuck with the DCT.
I guess there is a question of whether the story itself advocates DTC. But the vast majority of Christians who believe in the literal Genesis story also believe in DTC.
"While Adam and Eve were enjoying Eden and each other, they knew nothing about morality or immorality. They had no concept of good or evil. They did comprehend that God told them not to mess with this one tree but they could NOT comprehend that following his instructions was “good” and not following his instructions was “evil.” Not until after they finished their fresh-off-the-branch desert did this distinction became clear."
This isn't really an argument. You are just summarizing your position on the issue. I think this is a summary of what you asserted at the beginning though, so I'm going to interpret it that way.
"Finally, Sooner, please do not try to argue these points with me. You see, I prayed to Adam and he filled me in with the facts as they really happened. He told me you have it all wrong."
I'm sure he did
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- Beth37posted 10 years ago0
There are plenty of believers who have language skills, sort of, and can tend gardens but when it comes to following instructions are lost.
Yet every day, believers are ticketed for speeding. Curious behavior, isn't it?Actually, your post above was contradictory.
"face to foot"
Good one.
- Sooner28posted 10 years ago0
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