The truthful religion is not racial

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   paarsurreyposted 11 years ago

   The truthful religion is not racial

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      Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I've yet to find one that doesn't discriminate.

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         paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Not the Truthful Religion; those claiming to follow a religion could err for which the individual or the group of individual are responsible not the Relgion.

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            Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Sorry the bible is full of information on who and when to discriminate against others.

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   getitriteposted 11 years ago

   Then there is no such thing as a truthful religion...only man made foolishness that pretends to have, at its basis, love for all.

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      paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry, I don't agree with you that the revealed religion is man-made.

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         wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Why not?
         
         We know man writes all kinds of fiction, we know man writes all kinds of lies in an effort to control others.
         
         What we DON'T know is if there is a god out there in some other hidden universe.  Without any indication there is such a thing, it seems quite reasonable to think that the fertile imagination of man has created yet another god, just as it has thousands of others.

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            paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Do you mean that the Atheists Agnostics never lie?

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               psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               He didn't even say deist's lie.  He said they imagine.

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               wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               That's quite a stretch to get that out of what I said, because I did not mention atheists or agnostics.  Not even desists unless you think that anyone inventing a god will believe it it themselves - a pretty far fetched idea IMHO.

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         getitriteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         You could disagree with me on the fact that gravity exists as well, but, in the end, your wishful thinking and total denial doesn't compare to reality.
         
         That's the problem with having a discussion with religious people, they have no intention of using logic or reason(elements which are essential for any HONEST discussion)

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            paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Is gravity man-made? Please

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         psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Even if it is god inspired it is clearly man made.  Who else would have made it?

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            paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I don't mention here of the inspired; I mention the Word Revealed . As it is very clear the Word Revealed is distinctively from the One-True-God Allah Yahweh and is authored by Him and not by the recipient of it.

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   Zelkiiroposted 11 years ago

   If the only true religion is the one that isn't racist, then that means the only true religion(s) is/are Buddhism and Shintoism. And I've yet to encounter any tree spirits...

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      paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Buddha also received Revelation from the One-True-God Allah Yaweh; hence Buddha also followed the Truthful Religion; I don't deny that.

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         wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         You're funny! 
         
         What kind of evidence can you provide to support that nonsense?

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   paarsurreyposted 11 years ago

   It is a foremost attribute of the truthful religion that it is not racial.

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      Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You do understand that the bible talks a lot about God's chosen people right and how he even condones incest?

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         wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Let's see now, how many differing races were chosen to be with Him in heaven? 
         
         Oh yes, just the one.  But it was not, of course, either racial or racist.  Right.

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         paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         It simply means that like other nations the One-True-God had not ignored Jews and has conversed with them also as he has conversed with others through the righteous messengers prophets. if the Jews were only the chosen people why do they sin like others?
         
         I quote here from Wikipedia:
         
         "Throughout history, various groups of people have considered themselves as chosen people by a deity for a purpose, such as to act as the deity's agent on earth. In monotheistic faiths, like Abrahamic religions, references to God are used in constructs such as "God's Chosen People". Modern anthropology regards these claims as a form of ethnocentrism,[1][2] although religious authorities would argue that this is unfounded.[3]"
         
         http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chosen_people

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            Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Does this mean you don't believe the OT to be true?

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               paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Bible is as true as Gospel of Buddha or Bhagavad Gita of Krishna.

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                  Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Does this mean you don't believe the Bible to be true?

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                     paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Bible where it is close to the original Word Revealed is truthful else diluted with truth  and mixed with the corrupted texts also.

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                        Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        And who determines what is the truth? You don't think a God could have gotten this right?

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                           wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           No, gods can never get their sacred scriptures right the first time.  They all need the attention of specific men to finish up the project correctly.  Paar, perhaps.

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                              paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              Due to the free will bestowed to man; the literal Word or its meaning could get corrupted or the meaning could be last in the translation.
                              The One-True-God could revive the Word and its meaning again under a system.
                              There is however no compulsion in religion.

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                                 wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 There is not, nor ever has been, any sign that a One-True-God will revive the Word, any word.  No god has reached down and corrected the bible, for example.
                                 
                                 Why would you then make such a claim?  Because you wish it to be true?

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                                    paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                    The core truthful teachings of Moses and Jesus has been revived and secured by Qur'an.

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                                       wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       But neither book has but a small amount of truthful words and certainly most of both of those tales are not factual.
                                       
                                       How can one "secure" the other then?  Because you wish it to be true?

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                                       Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       Oh, you mean the book that describes the earth as egg shaped and describes the sun as orbiting the earth?

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                                          wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                          The funny part is that they were partially right - the earth is not a sphere - they just had the actual shape wrong.

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                                             Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                             They were off by a little.
                                             

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                                                wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                                And if you accent the "un-spherical" attribute, by squashing the poles, it gets worse.  And oblate spheroid is NOT egg shaped.
                                                
                                                Belief really isn't knowledge, is it?

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                                          paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                          We were not discussing the shape of the Earth or how it orbits.
                                          
                                          The topic is that the truthful religion is not racial; it provides guidance to all humanity, without compulsion, in the moral and spiritual realms.

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                                             wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                             No - the topic was core teachings of scripture.  Including that the earth is egg shaped.
                                             
                                             Back up a few posts and you'll find it.  In your own post, no less.

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                                                paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                                This is not the core teachings of religion.
                                                I mentioned core teachings of Jesus in the thread "All revealed religion in the origin are truthful";please read them or I should provide them again for you here.

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                                                   wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                                   Of course it's a core teaching!  Things like this tell us about book itself; it's core truth (or lack thereof) and whether it should be believed.  Things like this are extremely core to answering the question of whether to believe or not!
                                                   
                                                   I understand that many people gloss over these things as if they aren't there, but they matter far more than anything else in the book.  More than the tales, more than the instructions, more than the supposed history.  Because if they are false to fact, the rest of the book is suspect as well.

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                                                      paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                                      I don't agree with you.
                                                      It is the prerogative of the founder of a religion to describe the core.

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                                                         wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                                         No it's not.  It is absolutely the prerogative of the reader to first determine the veracity of the author.  If that author lies, or makes too many mistakes and errors, it doesn't matter what the author thinks is important; it is of no value to anyone as no one can trust it to be true.
                                                         
                                                         That some will trust the author in spite of such egregious errors as an egg shaped earth or the sun circling the earth does NOT make the author trustworthy and does NOT give the author the right to choose what is more important.

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                                          paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                          Please quote from Qur'an that it is a text book of science.

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                                             Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                             Sura 79:30 reads
                                             Wal'arda ba'da dhalika dahaha
                                             He made the earth egg-shaped.

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                                                paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                                I mention the verse 79/30 or 79/31 along-with the verses in the context:
                                                
                                                [79:28] Are you harder to create or the heaven that He has built?
                                                [79:29] He has raised the height thereof and made it perfect.
                                                [79:30] And He has made its night dark, and has brought forth the morn thereof;
                                                [79:31] And the earth, along with it, He spread forth.
                                                [79:32] He produced therefrom its water and its pasture,
                                                [79:33] And the mountains, He made them firm
                                                [79:34] All this is a provision for you and for your cattle.
                                                
                                                https://alislam.org/quran/search2/showC … p;verse=25
                                                
                                                Please prove your point of view.

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                           paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Qur'an lays down the principles for guidance to ascertain the truth.

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                              wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              I don't need the Qur'an to give me principles to ascertain truth; as it contains absolute falsehoods those principles are worthless.  Too likely to contain more lies and false "guidance".

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