Can a Christian embrace evolution theory?

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   CJ Simonelliposted 11 years ago

   God is the Creator, as revealed to us throughout the living Word, which is inspired by the Holy Spirit (1:20-21, Peter). The following are a few of the many proclamations about our Creator in the Word of God: "This is what the LORD says your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth" (44:24, Isaiah); "He who forms the mountains, creates the wind, and reveals his thoughts to man The LORD God Almighty is his name" (4:13, Amos); and "For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible all things were created by him and for him" (1:15-16, Colossians). It is the Holy Spirit that guides us into all truth (16:13, John), so those who are guided by the Spirit will accept God's truth that he is the Creator, and that he created us in his image (1:27, Genesis). Evolution Theory, in contrast, proposes that we evolved from the simplest life forms to the greatest by random chance happenings and survival of the fittest, without our Creator. We therefore cannot claim, as some are now attempting, to be both believers in the Word and believers of evolution theory. If anyone is tempted to embrace evolution theory instead of the Word, yet claims to be a Christian, it should be considered that Jesus is the Word in the flesh (1:14, John), and it therefore may follow that anyone who denies the Word, denies Jesus!

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      EncephaloiDeadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Actually, only a very small minority of Christians don't accept evolution, usually because they have never taken the time to learn it.

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      Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      These minorities suffer from mental laziness and it's easier for them to read a religious fantasy book than a bunch of thick books that use big words like "carbon 14, deoxyribonucleic, and isotopes. Catholic schools dismissed the Bible as being a history and science book back in the 1950's. They know evolution and the Big Bang better than most public school kids. What's the "Word" BS?

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         Lybrahposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         "These minorities suffer from mental laziness and it's easier for them to read a religious fantasy book than a bunch of thick books that use big words like "carbon 14, deoxyribonucleic, and isotopes."
         
         And they say Christians are the ones who are narrow-minded and ignorant!
         
         To us, the bible is NOT fantasy.  I am a very well learned person.  No one can know whether or not evolution is real: it is JUST A THEORY.  Just because there are different fossils of different types of hominids, that does not mean evolution is reality.  Being a believer in Creationism doe NOT make me lazy.  Get your head out of you arse.

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            wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            "To us, the bible is NOT fantasy."
            
            Glad to see you qualified the statement.  It doesn't give it any more connection to reality and truth, but at least the statement itself is correct. 
            
            "I am a very well learned person." 
            
            Unfortunately the next couple of sentences contradicts that statement: we absolutely know evolution is real, we can see it happening all around us.  You say it is "JUST A THEORY" without having the faintest idea of what a scientific theory means or entails.  So no, you are NOT learned, at least in the field of evolution and almost certainly not science in general.  You don't even know the very basics of either.

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            getitriteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Let's see.....you just can't grasp the concept of an ape like creature evolving into a man, but you have no problem with a RIB turning into a woman.   Just what are you LEARNED in?

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            Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            @Lybrah It's obvious that you can't comprehend anything to do with science and prefer fantasy over fact. My advice is for you, and creationists like you, is to stay away from topics that deal with scientific evidence like evolution and the big bang. Here's a link for you "learned" people that would be easier to follow - www.disney.com

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      JMcFarlandposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Is there a reason that you're spamming the forums by posting the same topic multiple times?  Is there a reason that you can't contain the talk of evolution to one thread, since at least 3 of them started by you in the last 48 hours are all about evolution that you clearly don't properly understand?  Why don't you read a science book instead of spouting blatant falsehoods and misunderstandings?  You keep claiming that evolution says things that it doesn't say.  It's a little silly.

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      MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Ah, I wonder who you're talking about...
      
      It is 100 percent possible for a Christian to know that evolution is scientifically accurate and not "deny Jesus". If you can't figure out why that is, it says more about the weakness of your faith than the weakness of the Christian you are judging.
      
      I think you are confusing uneducated and ignorant with the word Christian again. It's bad enough when the militant Atheists generalize Christians as such. It's worse when a Christian generalizes us as that as well.
      
      Keep up the good fight! I love it when there are great shining examples of stereotypes that other's can point to to prove their arguments. It makes it so much easier to stereotype others. Atheists don't have to convince anybody anymore, they can just sit back and let us do it ourselves. It's so nice when we drive others away from Christ by making an entire faith look bad.

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      somethgblueposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting concept, however both the word God and Christianity are merely words to describe ideas. I submit to you that the Creator is the Creator, I see no need to label this concept. The term Christianity is a word that describes a movement created by man for the purpose of twisting and manipulating the words of Jesus to control the human race, while deleting his teachings almost entirely from their doctrine.
      
      For example Jesus taught that the eating/sacrifice of flesh was not part of his doctrine. His purpose for exited the World was to show us that life exists after death, hence his resurrection, Both of these concepts are not part of the teachings of 'Christianity'.
      
      If you break down the word 'Evolution' what you have is the 'State of Love', the first four letters in evolution is love spelled backwards, 'tion' means 'state of' in Greek. Evolution exist but it is of the mind and spirit not the body.
      
      These bodies were created to exist immortally, had not Adam & Eve evolved spiritually beyond their natural state of being (with a little help) their bodies would have continued to exist without 'mutating' as you so deftly put it. Their spiritual evolution was through the Serpent of Light or Kundalini, hence the legend of the talking snake.
      
      Mankind was suppose to evolve naturally through experience not get a jump start on spiritual evolution by having their Serpent of Light awakened in them. By having their Kundalini awakened they literally ate from the tree of knowledge and recognized their own immortality.
      
      This broke the Universal Law of One which is a 'prime directive' of the Creator in which all third dimensional beings must evolve naturally to the next stage of spiritual evolution, on their own without 'a little help'

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      Quilligrapherposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      
      Hello, Ms. Simonelli. Welcome to Hubpages.
      
      A study into the Public’s Views on Human Evolution reveals that 60% of Americans believe humans have evolved over time compared to 33% who reject the idea of evolution. More importantly, all Christians do not believe humans have existed in our present form since the beginning of time particularly those Christians with more years of formal schooling. {1}
      
      Actually, the survey data reveals a large segment of Christians not only believe in evolution but many also believe it is due to just natural processes without guidance from a superior being. The results for Christians believing in evolution due to natural processes:
      
      White main line Protestants 36%.
      White Catholics 33%.
      Hispanic Catholics 27%
      Black Protestants 17%
      White evangelical Protestants 8%
      
      With all due respect for your religious beliefs, many other Christians clearly do not share your purely personal interpretation of the Word of Jesus. To state or to imply that your views on evolution theory are required beliefs for all Christians seems to be untrue. 
      
      {1} http://www.pewforum.org/2013/12/30/publ … evolution/

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         Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Before the 15th century, scientist, believers, poets, philosophers and historians believed the world was flat. Because they did not know about gravity, the idea of all objects, including the earth's oceans being "suspended" was impossible. How could they grasp that there was no top or bottom to the earth? - we can barely grasp that now.
         
         You could say that 100% of the earth's population does not believe in a Creator, but that is proof of nothing. God is to many now as gravity was to mankind 600 years ago. Popular ignorance is simply that. There will always be the Noahs and the Isaac Newtons of the world. Sometimes the world has to see the rain and the apple fall before it catches up.

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            EncephaloiDeadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            You've made a compelling argument in favor of atheism. Very interesting. This statement here was the clincher:
            
            "God is to many now as gravity was to mankind 600 years ago"

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               Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               God is hard for many to understand. They can't see Him, so how can He exist?

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                  EncephaloiDeadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  God is easy to understand, aside from the many contradictions.
                  
                  
                  
                  Seeing is believing. Please remember though, that adage is relevant to all.

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                  getitriteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Yet it is the groups with the lowest aptitudes, and least exposure to education that have the highest percentage of people claiming to KNOW God.

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                     Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     If I were more intelligent, I'd offer you a compelling reply.

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                        Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        

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                        getitriteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Agreed.

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                           Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           I reported myself.

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                     MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Want to play a game of Trivial Pursuit to back that up Buster?

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      Ceegenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I used to think that holding a view of creation in Genesis to be purely allegorical could make it compatible with evolutionary theory. I changed my mind after wondering what that would mean for the events that followed the first creation.
      
      If you take any of the plain literalness of the scripture away from the meaning of it, then none of the events that follow after it are literal, and Cain never slew Abel. Seth was never born. None of it ever happened, and it is just a fairy tale. So compromising on this issue impacts the way we view truth to something more relative, and if truth becomes relative then anything is possible, including the possibility that God may not actually exist.
      
      The grass withers and the flower fades, but the Word of God is forever. You can trust that it is true, because faith is the belief in things unseen. That isn't to say there is no evidence, but the interpretation of the evidence leads to a conclusion of some sort. But no one living today has seen anything created from nothing, nor has anyone living today seen the first life evolve from nonliving matter. In both cases and for this reason, the belief in creation or abiogenesis is faith, not merely an interpretation of evidence.

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   wildernessposted 11 years ago

   You're right - a Christian cannot believe both the bible and your made up version of the theory of evolution.  When you concoct a deliberate fraud and call it the theory of evolution you can put anything into it you wish; as you wish to make Christians believe it is incompatible with their belief you will make up lies about the theory to support that idea.
   
   On the other hand, the theory of evolution does NOT deny that a god could be guiding those "random" factors you mention.  You have been told this already, but choose to pretend not to hear - to ignore what you don't want to hear - and unfortunately that does not make it any less true.
   
   So yes, a Christian can find solace in that the biblical report could be in complete agreement with the theory of evolution.  The theory does not support the bible, of course, but neither does it deny it.

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      aka-djposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Is that an accidental admission that ID is back on the table?
      
      If an "intelligent being" guides random-ness, it is no longer random.
      
      We have numerous examples of that kind of evolution all around us.
      Medicin
      Automobile.
      Air(o)plane.
      Communication devices.
      ETC.
      
      However, it was not controlled randomness in a vacuum. Intelligent human beings were behind it all the way.
      
      So, the conclusion would be, either it was totally random, (no guidance), or intelligent information (being with knowledge) being injected to achieve a desired outcome.

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         Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         WILDERNESS WROTE:
         On the other hand, the theory of evolution does NOT deny that a god could be guiding those "random" factors you mention.  You have been told this already, but choose to pretend not to hear - to ignore what you don't want to hear - and unfortunately that does not make it any less true.
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         me ........ IMHO this statement should be the last words to any debate about ID vs evolution.

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            wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Actually, ID and evolution are about two different things - the origin of life on earth and the evolution and growth of that life.
            
            The OP has chosen to claim they are the same - origin and growth - which is why I replied as I did. 
            
            Nevertheless, you are correct - it gives a clear opportunity for the believer to incorporate known facts into their belief and should shut down the objection from the OP that evolution is in opposition to the bible.

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               Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               It seems to me that many people spend their entire lives searching for "The Simple truth" never finding it.    this leads me to only one simple truth ....  and that truth is that there isn't one. Not one that is undisputed. .................  You might say that gravity and the air we breath is an undisputed truth?      But some people might argue these too are but a product of mass a hallucination? And who am I to say those people are wrong?

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                  wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Outside of a few truths like "air exists" (I disagree with you here) I don't think there  is any "Simple Truth".  Certainly none in the world of philosophy and none in the world of physics, either.

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                     Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     I think that is what I said?    So like a wise man is said to have said, ...  tis ALL vanity?   What does that mean

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                        wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        tis ALL vanity?  Haven't a clue.
                        
                        And if neither you nor I have a clue, perhaps the man wasn't so wise after all.

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         EncephaloiDeadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         But, that is just one dimensional thinking, it does not allow for any other alternatives, a very closed minded approach to finding solutions and explanations that should be avoided at all costs.

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   Emile Rposted 11 years ago

   Can a Christian embrace evolution theory?
   
   It appears that one Christian, in particular, cannot. All of these threads appear to be a cry for help. What are you so afraid of?

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   Mandhla Moyoposted 11 years ago

   Evolution is dynamic.... Survival is ongoing and that too is dynamic- that phrase 'survival of the fittest' believe it or not is an evolutionist ideal on lifes constructs- even Shakespeare had his ideal on life by comparing it to a stage, the biggest of all... The whole Idea is 'Living'-
   Not why are we or who are we but throughout these threads all I read is how are we, in our beliefs and ways of life...
   
   I am not as 'learned' as most of you but I take myself as a logical being bound in a faith based reality, creation adapts to its changing environment its a fact of life not science thats the major reason why people though all classified humanity is different and distinct in physical features. Biblical accounts of creation depict man being made in Gods image and Likeness, understand that the accounts in Genesis only came about after the Israelite people bound in captivity had to establish their origins as a people, Genesis was not the first book to be written in the bible- anyway, other creation stories from most traditions and beliefs also depict man being made into the model we have of him not crawling from lizards into the ageless ape to the current man as is.
   
   That is where Religion and Science differs, the reason you have theories and faith, illumination and control. Religion is the oldest most basic form of governance proven through and through (the problem is not with the faith in itself but the believer of the faith), science came about as a revolution from religion, it requires empirical evidence not faith ideals, its substantial mot fantastical (by fantasy, I mean in the same context I do when I say myth when it comes to religious ideals, stories and thoughts not necessarily true but intended to provide a moral or spiritual lesson). The man of faith believed that the earth was the centre of the universe while the scientist dared prove that actually, it was the sun. It is not logical that man can walk on water but faith moves mountains. Thats just the reality that is, one of my friends once told me that for me to accept the evolutionist stand I need to exercise faith .
   
   Truth is relative, to say there is no absolute truth though would be making an absolute statement, truth is there is as there always need be a prime initiator for anything that is. And it is that prime mover that is the cause of all these debates and discourses.
   I could be wrong too but Ill learn, -evolution in progress

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      wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      An interesting statement to begin with, but one I'm not sure I follow.  "I take myself as a logical being bound in a faith based reality" seems to mean you are logical, and perceive reality only by filtering it through imagination and desire (faith).  The two seem in opposition with each other, unless you find it advantageous somehow to believe reality is different than it is.
      
      The we have another comment, that "truth is there is as there always need be a prime initiator for anything that is" which is in direct conflict with the studies and discoveries of physics around the world.  Is that some of the "faith based reality", where what you wish were true doesn't match reality so you make up your own?  Using faith as a guide?
      
      You know, science did indeed come about as a revolution from religion, in a manner of speaking, as religion was a dismal failure at finding truth in the world around us.  Only a perception of reality that provided a good feeling, that matched what we wanted to see and believe (such as being important and at the center of the universe) but had nothing to do with what was real.  Science provided an invaluable too, the scientific method, that has been used ever since in the quest for knowledge, and it very definitely leaves the "faith based reality" far behind in that search for knowledge and truth.

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         Mandhla Moyoposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Wat is your definition of faith

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            wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Simply and crudely put, belief without knowledge or evidence to base it on.  A belief may be true and factual, it may not, but there is no way to tell which.

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               Mandhla Moyoposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Some reffer to it as a conviction. Instinctual not trained- see faith is different to different people, the Idea of religion is not one concrpt but many united in one-

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                  wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Conviction - OK.  What is it based on?  A feeling, a want or desire?  Ignorance so something is made up from imagination?  I would agree with that, seeing little difference between conviction and belief. 
                  
                  But not instinct.  Instinct does give rise to a belief.  Instinct is something evolution has built into us to tell us how to perform specific actions - how to suckle for instance.  There are no "instinctual" beliefs.

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                     Mandhla Moyoposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Faith is Instinctual to the Christian, it is not learned- it is personal

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                        MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Nope. Sorry. I've had five children and none of them showed any instinctual faith. Those who have chosen a  religious path have always found it through an outside source. They didn't wake up and say "I believe in a God I've never heard of."

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                        wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        And what is your definition of faith then, that it comes within the newborn and is only found in the Christian as some type of genetic thing?

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                        EncephaloiDeadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Let's clarify.
                        
                        Instinct is the inherent inclination of a living organism toward a particular complex behavior. The simplest example of an instinctive behavior is a fixed action pattern, in which a very short to medium length sequence of actions, without variation, are carried out in response to a clearly defined stimulus.
                        
                        Faith is subjective confidence in the doctrines or teachings of a religion, whether it's Christianity, Islam or Scientology. As well, faith is trust in a person or thing, including deities.
                        
                        As you can see, in cases of clearly defined situations, faith could be considered instinctual in humans, but when it comes to the details of the faith, instinct no longer applies.
                        
                        It's very much works the same way with not having faith in a deity or religion, reason and rationale preclude instinctual faith and it no longer applies.

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         Mandhla Moyoposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Logical being in a faith based reality- look around you then look within yourself-
         
         Nothingness? Do you know wht that actually means, the ex nihilic ideal? Big bang theory - randomness- chance ideals. Trust me faith makes as much sense as logic does to others. We live in a dualistic world wer some still sit the face, there is only darkness for some and light only for others at the same time its a fact some see the world in black and white and what makes sense to them can make you go mad. Truth is contextual and to say that there is an ultimate is truth in itself, whatever that truth may be it has to be universal and matters of faith my dearests are far from universal ad much as faith in itself might be argued to be Universal.
         
         So, the way faith works for me is derived from my context, my reality- our experiences determine our approach to faith, and I respect the fact that christians are different everywhere trust me I am privileged enough to have travelled and studied outside if Africa but youl realise that even in churches its popular to teach a doctrine of liberation from poverty and forms of trynanny than it is to preach on heaven, salvation and morals. Peoples contexts drives their faith. And I am talking from my contexts, wer faith is instinctual, its something we have not learn, it is our reality to live on faith because our initual faith moves more than mountains but works magic in a sense. Something out of nothing.
         
         It is true, people think different on similar ideals.

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   psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago

   In most first world nations other than the US, most Christians do believe species, including humans, evolve.
   
   The conflict come from biblical literalists, in the US mainly Evangelicals, who insist the earth is about 8000 years old and all species were made in their current form.

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      wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I think that's true, that the US is behind other first world countries in understanding where we came from.
      
      It's apparently our turn - Much of Europe was drug down during the middle ages as religion refused to learn and now we suffer the same fate.  The question is how to end this cycle, for even as we come out of the self imposed ignorance (and we will one day) the evangelists will move in force to the third world, spreading the ignorance ever farther.  Indeed, we just saw one result as gays are being attacked in Nigeria/Uganda with a vengeance.

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         Mandhla Moyoposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         The attack on homosexuals in nigeria / uganda and zimbabwe is not because of ignorance-

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            EncephaloiDeadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Ignorance, along with intolerance, hatred and bigotry are just part of the causes of those attacks.

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               Mandhla Moyoposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               I live the African context- its not ignorance, our culture just does not accept or tolerate homosexuality- people know all there needs to be about sexual preference and stuff, its just how it is, Africa as a whole is not ready for that culture yet the same way we wer not ready for christianity but in time we incorporated it into our ideals as a people-
               You do know that in matters of faith and believe most scientific and other terms change meaning but they hold the sane ideals like that of instinct...
               God is innately known to all thats why we experience Him/Her in our own personal way.
               Sorry for the late and bruef interractions, I can only engage at times especially at night wen my schedule allows me

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                  wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Sorry, but when people act without reason it is cause by either ignorance or stupidity.  You choose.
                  
                  Your god is NOT innately known to all; most of the world has no knowledge of any god, let alone your personal one.

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                     CJ Simonelliposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     People around the world do have an innate knowledge of God, which God has placed within them so that they may seek and find him; that's why across nations people seek and worship in some form, whether or not they know the true God yet. That's why science has been looking into this innate tendency.

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                  EncephaloiDeadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  That's it? That's the basis of your reasoning to justify attacking people? "It's just how it is"?
                  
                  Sorry, that doesn't work, pal.
                  
                  
                  
                  It's actually Christian evangelists from the US that are primarily responsible for the ignorance, intolerance, hatred and bigotry towards homosexuals in Africa.

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                     Mandhla Moyoposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     A lot of western culture is bullshit but because of past complexes that wer we adopt most foreign culture-
                     
                     Respect our cultures, and respect those that homosexuality is not accepted, accept and respect them

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                        MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        "Please be tolerant of us being intolerant."
                        
                        Yeah, Apartheid worked out well the South Africans. We should have respected that too.

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                        EncephaloiDeadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        LOL. The contradiction of your statement is so sad, it's almost funny. You don't respect or accept others who are trying to love one another but demand we respect and accept your culture of hatred and bigotry. Unbelievable.

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                           psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           You should not disrespect our cultural right to disrespect your culture
                           
                           That's astoundingly illogical.

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   IntimatEvolutionposted 11 years ago

   To answer this question of whether or not a Christian can embrace evolution - of course we can and we not only can but a huge portion of us do.  Thanks for the question.

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      Mandhla Moyoposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Irony. Heres the reality and contradiction. Before christianity and Islam southern central and northern Africa had their own beliefs encompased in their cultural ideals- as a matter of fact wer culture ended and religion started wasand still is very vague, christianity in itself is a cultural religion as most religions are, if you visit most churches in Afric youll find them built next to a cultural holy shrine, tree or river etc, cause christianity had to be inculturated for it to make sense to our people.
      
      There are however other things, cultural and behavior ideals that some cultures and a people cannot accept. If for instance if you found that your neighbours practice female circumcision youll start a movement to crysh such ideals and thats been going on all over Africa, wer an ideal is demonised or despised by the western tradition and because yall people have power and influences and still pose as the epitome of civilization such ideals are condemned- its true most Africans are behind most of such 'liberations', most Africans kings and chiefs wer also behind slave trade... There are however cultures that still practice female genital circumcision the same way others practice dowry or bride price, and other forms of initiation- these are cultural ideals, and the fact that we might find most of those cultures messed up doesnt give us the right to try and change them. Again, homosexuality is not accepted in most African cultures, our major problem is polygamy not sodomy, to most elders and most people of the land that does not add up even through the ideals that we've been taught through christian culture- we have problems of polygamy and wer sodomy is mentioned note the pinishments- I mean, I am not homophobic and I promise you, youll find a lot of Africans in Nigeria and other places wer homosexuals are being persecuted who are not homophobic- its just not acceptable in our societies yet especially in rural settings.
      
      Do not expect that to change anytime soon- lol - Mugabe was reported telling the 'gay' community that he's easy with them as long as if he locks them up in a room for a few months one them should be found pregnant.... See, the idea of family that is in our context does not change because one thinks its better for a family to have two dads or two moms instead of the ideal Adam and Eve complex.
      
      What is so difficult for the world to just accept that reality- its sad too because all we seem to gain from the western and european world is actually silly cultural ideals, debts, constructs of system and governance that clearly dont work with us and yet all the west and east seem to gain from us is resources, in both manpower and minerals and is quick to reject our cultural ideals. No. If a country says homosexuality is a taboo and is illegal let them be they know why they implement such laws- I m more concerned with Christians burning Muslims and eating their flesh in Congo, and the situation in Egypt, Syria and Sudan- Homosexuality- Ignorance- hatred.... Am thinking more missinformation and silly constructs you really not helping with..
      
      People have the right to exercise their sexuality in anyway they want- esp in the US, its a free country where an individual can give birth to a new culture and actors and others have temples built after them and are wirshipped... Blah blah blah-
      
      Africans are a free people, land and nations- and as a people we have our ideals and beliefs as a matter of fact we are bery communal people, but we stand firm to our beliefs though at times we might seem distracted but wat do you expect our constructs wer tampered with ages ago, and now that we are getting our bark and bite back you think we ignorant-
      
      Let me give you guys a challenge, learn our culture especially that of those who seem to be vigilant against homosexuality. A compromise will eventually be reached wer most unions might be accepted but until then- let Africa be Africa in its beauty and wholeness, a fusion of different cultures in one people... Beautiful. We got this

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         Mandhla Moyoposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I am really sorry about the language and punctuation- I get one of those moments. I apologise- but this has been very informative. Thank you

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   Motown2Chitownposted 11 years ago

   It's taken me a bit of thought and time spent processing so many responses to these evolution threads to come to my own conclusion, which is simply this:
   
   No matter HOW we came to be, no matter who created us or whether we are or are not here by design, we ARE here.  Those who believe in the Christian God and follow Jesus to the absolute BEST of our ability are in no danger of being snatched from his hand by real revelations of science, or even by manufactured ones.
   
   Romans 8:38-39 assures us of this.
   
   That verse alone, even without prayer and the simple exercise of common sense, tells me that there is no reason to deny factual scientific findings, and that I am in no danger of denying God's word when I do so.

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   Wesman Todd Shawposted 11 years ago

   LOL!
   
   Catholics and Jews have always understood Genesis was mostly allegory.  It's seemingly only American protestants who're too silly to get that the author of The Books of Moses would use the same complexities of language Jesus would later use.

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