It depends. There are 2 different types of evolution, and they are biological evolution, and then there's the theory of evolution. True Christians don't accept the theory, but biological evolution is a scientific fact. For example, the genes in a species evolve to created different breeds of species, i.e, Asians can be either Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, or Korean. They are different but are all considered Asian. That is an illustration of biological evolution. For animals, consider the different breed of dogs, cats, mammals, all are different, but are all distinctly defined and associated with whatever class they belong to.
The theory of evolution teaches that humans evolved from either Apes, or Chimpanzees, and that dogs and other animals all evolved from that one species. Such a theory goes against creation, and not only creation, but against the "Natural Law of Order." The natural law of order is the process of of living things.
so they pick and choose the parts of science to try to make it fit to their beliefs? I saw a christian insist that only "kinds" went on the ark eg cat, lion, tiger are the same kind. Like to see a cat atttempt to mate with a lion.
Evolution doesn't actually state that humans evolved from apes/monkeys, but rather they have a common ape-like ancestor.
the theory of evolution, is just that a theory not science
why do you say that? It's a much science as any other scientific model (eg Earth rotating & going around sun; pathogenic micro-organisms causing disease; etc)
The word "theory" is misunderstood by non-scientists. In science, a theory is backed up by a huge body of factual evidence and observations (including from other scientific disciplines like geology), and refined
eg it's only recently that huge strides have been made in science with genetics - and the mechanisms for evolution are further understood
evolution is still just theory, no evidence, you can spout all you want there is no0 facts on the theory of evolution, that is why it is still called a theory, once a theory is proven with facts it is no linger a theory.
so fossils, geological rock records (layers and radioactive dating), DNA results don't equal evidence? What would you consider to be evidence? Do you think the earth is still flat too?
research you evidence to see if it says evolution is fact. It will not.
fossils of animals do not prove evolution, do you believe every theory to be fact as long as it goes against Christianity
It is an incontrovertible fact that organisms have changed, or evolved, during the history of life on Earth. And biologists have identified and investigated mechanisms that can explain the major patterns of change. Fossils obviously do prove evolution & it is your absolute ignorance to refute such massive amount of evidence.
You could have said that evolution does not prove man evolved from ape or you could have said that everything else was created & evolved for the benefit of Man who were happen to be Humans from the beginning. But refusing to accept evolution as a fact only makes you look like an illiterate moron with high amount of stupidity in this modern day.
the human body has changed over the past thousands of years, if you want to call that evolution, I can not argue the fact, but man has been man from the begining, God created Man, and over the years we have changed, my body is not as good as it was 62years ago, so my body has been going through evolution since birth, I could repeat some of the words of attack as you used but will not lower myself that way, people attact other people when they, never mind I am not going there.
Bless you and have a good day
Your body has 'aged' since birth, not evolved. Evolution occurs when you pass on your genes to your offspring.
No, YOU call it the theory of evolution. The process of evolution is a documented fact, and is evidenced daily in our lives. Ever heard of antibiotic resistance, organic foods, etc.?
Here ya go. These are also considered theories, do you dispute that each of these are science? Of course you do if you are standing by your previous attempts to discreadit science based on your inability to realize or admit that the scientific use of a word is difeerent than the every day usage of it.
If as some on here state that a theory is defined as a set of commonly held beliefs which have no absolute proof. You have just agreed that religion is a theory with your interpretation of the word theory. Any more theories you want to discuss? How about the stork theory? How about the theory that states the less intelligent an area is the likely that said area is extremely religious? 8 of the 10 least educated states are in the top 10 most religious states, not a theory, a fact.
Copernicus to 1800
Heliocentric Solar System
Conservation of Mass (Lavoisier)
Newton's Law of Gravity
Newton's Laws of Motion
Laplace's Tidal Theory
Ideal Gas Laws
Vaccination (Jenner, 1xxx)
Conservation Laws and implications
Navier-Stokes Equations of Fluid Dynamics
First Law of Thermodynamics - Conservation of Energy
Second Law of Thermodynamics
Equivalence of Work and Energy - Joule
Maxwell's Equations for Electromagnetism
Electric motor / Dynamo
The Periodic Table
Atomic theory (many flavors through time, reasonably modern by Dalton)
Radioactivity - Becquerel 1895
Discovery of the Electron 1897
Theory for the form of the earth, including isostacy
Principle of superposition (geology)
The Theory of Evolution
Classical and Operant Conditioning (Pavlov 1897)
Some from before 1950:
Theory of Special Relativity
Theory of General Relativity
Theory of the Chemical Bond
Semiconductors (and the transistor)
Nucleosynthesis (what makes the sun shine)
The Modern Synthesis (of Mendelian genetics and evolution)
Existence of subatomic particles (protons, neutrons, etc)
Existence of Antimatter (positron, ...)
The Big Bang theory
Third Law of Thermodynamics - Nernst
The Norwegian Low (theory from meteorology)
Westward Intensification (why the oceans have strong currents on the western boundaries -- Gulf Stream in Atlantic and Kuroshio in Pacific)
Baroclinic Instability (theory for why storm systems form)
Milankovitch theory of ice ages
Numerical Weather Prediction (Richardson, 1922; Charney, Fjortoft, von Neumann, 1947)
Continental Drift - Wegener, 4th edition 1929
Theory of convection
Theory of flight
Monin-Obukhov theory of convective turbulence
Kolmogoroff theory of isotropic turbulence
Chapman mechanism that explains why the earth has an Ozone Layer (1930)
Inverse theory (using observations to reconstruct unobservable things, like the interior of the earth or of you (seismology and MRI, for example).
Theory for the geostationary satellite - Arthur C. Clarke
Nuclear power plants
Zernike's phase contrast
You make your point in a stunning way. Excellent work enumerating the evolution of human knowledge... thus the evolution of man himself. Should human knowledge continue to evolve further and farther into an "unlimited future" (ie. man does not end his own existence via one or two or three nuclear fireball) would that evolution ultimately involve his devolution into an altogether different life form i.e. a roboticized, mechanized, matallicized, version of his former "human form"? When that happens, would he still consider himself human?
Humans did not evolve from apes, we are apes.
Moreover, the theory of evolution does NOT teach that humans evolved from chimpanzees and anyone who says it does does not have the slightest understanding of the science.
Humans and chimpanzees descend from a long-extinct common ancestor. How long extinct? Probably about 6-8 million years. To put that in a little more perspective, modern chimpanzees are believed to be only about 1 million years old as a species, and (biologically) modern humans only about 200,000 years old. Evolution is the result of insignificant changes building up over almost unfathomably vast periods of time.
with your example of race, are you saying asians, europeans etc are not related?
biological evolution is the theory of evolution, how can you accept thatevolution is happening then deny the history of recorded evolutionary changes?
It has to be a serious threat, but it doesn't matter to them anyways, no amount of factual evidence is going to change their belief system. This is the result of religious indoctrination and unless the indoctrination is realized and acknowledged, believers will never use their brains to think about such concepts.
unless the indoctrination is realized and acknowledged, non-believers will never use their brains to think about such concepts.
only has meaning if you say it HUH
you do not have to believe in God, you can keep attacking Christians, it will not change anything, I think that might be the reason for you attitude
So, what you're trying to say is that Christians have a completely closed mind to facts and reality?
We are not limited by facts and reality. The scope of our comprehension far surpass such limited ideas of fact, reality, seey touchy, feely. lol
Too take the miracles out of christianity is to harm christianity.
Exactly! Removing delusion presents reality.
exactly - that's why science is such a threat to religion, because people come to realise that the bible and god don't make sense. Although believing in god is more about feelings than anything (ever touched god?)
pretty funny stuff, beelzy,
It has to be a serious threat,
Not at all, carbon dating is inaccurate, the moon alters it orbit by a small amount every year if the earth were billions of years old, accordingly the moon would be out by jupiter by now. Evolution.. hahahaha. silly monkey stuff.
but it doesn't matter to them anyways, no amount of factual evidence is going to change their belief system.
We are not limited by what we see and touch and feel. We are spirit and where the spirit goes nobody knows.
This is the result of religious indoctrination and unless the indoctrination is realized and acknowledged, believers will never use their brains to think about such concepts.
Hahaha.. and you have avoided the indoctrination of the world and the 5 senses... lol... Most paths to god say the world is but an illusion, a temporary distraction, a lie.. and you are sucked right into it.. lol. We are not deluded my friend we see this world for what it is. But until you see beyond your limiting senses and rational thinking, what jesus taught about a life in the spirit, there isn't a place for you.
Thanks for making my point. You are free to show how carbon dating is inaccurate since you've made the claim, if you can.
The moon does not alter it's orbit. The tidal forces of gravity between the earth and moon, which consequently slows the rotation of the earth while the moon moves away from the earth.
It's quite hilarious when you post these things without actually doing any research whatsoever.
Yes, in order to be fully indoctrinated into a religion, one must deny reality.
No, you see the world as your religion has indoctrinated you to see it. Of course, reality exists despite that indoctrination.
Yes, I'll be placed right along with all the others that provided you with everything you have today, which if not for people like us, you'd still be living in a cave.
baileybear. In answer to your question. NO and No. No todays christians do not accept evolution, therefore how could it be a threat to their belief.
Evolutiion did and continues to exist. It is the result of Creation. For out of creation, things "came forth". evolved.
I am POSITIVE that there was a big bang. HAD to be.
When I am on this topic, I always think of a song. I think the name is Third rock from the sun.
This question has been asked so many times, and the answers never change. Bottomline- this is an individual decision. It is an unanswerable question.
As a Christian, I do believe in evolution, and in no way does evolution threaten my beliefs.
some christians on the forum do indicate they believe in evolution, so I was wondering if many christians do now
The existence of a "supernatural entity or being ("God" to most Christians and to other groups with similar belief systems) does not preclude the factual existence of evolutionary process. The verity of evolution could neither deny nor eliminate the existence of "supernatural force" that initiated the evolutionary process to begin with, leading to life on earth as we know it.
correct. But evolution seems like a pretty bad "design" don't you think? Make 99% of species extinct, finally evolve humans, only to condemn 98% of them to hell? Surely and all-powerful God would have done it much quicker and with less wastage?
It's called refining, it's how rare things are obtained from a mass of substance which contains mainly impurities.
With water you distil it taking 100% of the impurities out leaving only pure water.
With precious metals you refine it by extreme heat which burns the dross away, leaving pure gold or silver.
With humanity it seems God chose to give each individual human the choice to be refined, distilled or not.
Most seem to want to be dross.
so God decided dinosaurs were dross...and thought it would be fun to bomb them with an asteroid?
Baileybear, Do you feel that God is evil?
If god exists, I wonder if he is deranged with a thing for killing - killing in the bible and killing most creatures using evolution.
I am praying that you recieve revelation of who God really is. He is not a monster. God is love. From reading many of your posts, it is obvious that you once believed in God. You have been hurt by people, and now you blame God. Did God do you wrong or was it the people?
So are you implying that the creation of all the life forms that ever existed on earth(including man) ultimately was an act of futility on both God's and Evolution's part?
Theistic evolutionists do not think it a threat. Their belief is that god exists and created the universe and set in motion the processes by which life on earth evolve. Or created the universe and guided the process of evolution. This is the approach to evolution taken by the Catholic church and many mainstream Protestant churches. The result of this view (or perhaps the consequence of it) is a non-literal reading of the Bible (specifically the Genesis account of creation) which is read as allegorical rather than literal. Christians don't have a uniform belief in terms of evolution, as a literal reading of the Bible is not a prerequisite to being a True Christian™
Or do they consider it a threat..... LOL nice bit of passive commentary LOL
evolution is not a threat at all. LOL Science is not a threat either. When science comes up with anything concrete, that may or cannot be changed somewhere down the road then I will just be amazed. As for evolution it is just another example of mankind looking back over things that have happened and trying to put it all together in a rational way of thinking, leaving out the supernatural aspect of God. Shame really, just a shame.
The bible is many types of prose, wisdom writing, mythopoetic phrases, poetic, parable, metaphor. Indeed one has to be smarter than harry potter to figure it out lol.
"As for evolution it is just another example of mankind looking back over things that have happened and trying to put it all together in a rational way of thinking, leaving out the supernatural aspect of God."
Much better than looking back and conviniently ignoring/forgiving/justifying any crime done in the name of god in the past
And yeah, we all know Harry Potter is real and a true story, because it's written in a book, then it must be true. It's just this idiot atheists trying to explain the Universe without ressorting to Harry's supernatural powers. How stupid of them! Actually trying to learn and find something out instead of accepting it was just magic.
I consider it to be a shame for someone to leave God out of everything he has created, and to make God appear to be evil.
yeah, it's so vague that people can't come to the same interpretation of it.
I don't accept evolution. Science and evolution is not a threat to me.
I would wager a years worth of salaries and bet you don't understand evolution.
True, it is a threat to your religious beliefs.
The theory of evolution does not state that people evolved from monkeys but that we evolved from a common ancestor.
Live people are able to see the process of natural evolution.
Dude, it's going on all around us.
I am so amazed!!
I look at the human body, and with what little I know, it is SSSOOO intricate, complex and perfectly well tuned to function, and then I listen to all the mutation and adaptation crap dished out as if it really is true, that it makes me shake my head.
Why the *%&#$ would something just somehow come together into a "body" and live, and be self coscious, social, reproduce and learn?
GIVE ME A BREAK! You all call yourselves "intelligent" & "rational".
Just take any single organ/system in the body, and look into all it's complexity etc, and then explain to me (no, everyone) why, and how, "mother nature", with no intelligence, purpose and no "knowledge" would make it so?
I eagerly wait for a REAL explanation.
(PS, pls do not include the words adaptation amd mutation). Thanx
PPS, I'm 55, and I don't have much time to wait.
Have you examined evolution properly (not just stuff told by creationists) - I doubt it
Would like concrete explanations of what you make of fossil records, genetic tests etc
You're in the intelligence design camp (where I was when I was christian). You look at something that is complex and say "someone had to make it" and then look no further (because it's too scary to consider something that conflict with your entire belief system).
Scientists say, "wow, that's fascinating.", and look deeper into it.
The genome (the DNA) of rice (which looks simple) is many times larger than the genome of humans (which appear more complex).
Is the human body really such a brilliant design? - most people need their vision correction, many suffer from bad backs and bung knees.
Do you consider siamese twins a wonderful design? A frog with eyes in its mouth instead of its head? (I saw a photo). A baby with no brain? (someone at work had to terminate a pregnancy because their baby had no brain)?
There's some pretty freakish creatures out there - look up a star-nosed mole - pretty darn ugly - did god create that?
Barnacles that have a penis several times the length of their bodies?
Some animals that have two penises?
Why are marsupials (hundreds of species) concentrated in australia?
Why are there dinosaur bones and how did dinosaurs die?
Why do many things reproduce without sexual reproduction?
How is it some creatures undergo natural sex changes (anenomefish, the fish on "nemo" for example)
Why do numbats have 52 teeth (the most of any mammal) when they don't need them?(they eat soft termites)
Why were there cave people and other people more "primitive" than biblical times?
Do you believe other parts of science, and just dismiss evolution? I think you can't throw something out unless you have looked at it properly.
Yet there is NO reason to assume that there MUST be a creator.
Your rant is based on your narrow view, and inability to see beyond this fallacy.
Yet there is no evidence for a God or creator.
No. you are waiting to be confirmed that your nonsensical beliefs are logical.
They are not.
Let me rephrase this amazing post
Yet there is reason to assume that there MUST be a creator.
Your rant is based on your narrow view, and inability to see beyond this fallacy into supernatural realms.
Yet there is evidence for a God or creator.
Yes. you are waiting to be confirmed that your sensible beliefs are logical.
They are indeed.
Thanks for posting and enlightening all of us with that illuminating post. Garbage didn't need taking out did it? All that this contributed, except to make me laugh, you might have spent the time shining your shoes.
If you have such very low standards for evidence, you could say there is some for Santa's existence.
no-one's given any worthwhile evidence for the existence of god. Christians have said on the forums they can't see or hear god - it is how they "feel"/believe
What was your evidence that God existed when you were a christian? Be honest. There is no christian who did not feel the power of God's presence in their lives. It's more than a feeling. It's awesome. We don't have to see God to know he is real.
I was fooled by my emotions into thinking I had a spiritual experience. I believed. My mind was closed because of my beliefs. I never saw god, I never had god speak to me (I thought I did when I read bible etc) - it was all a delusion.
Like I wrote in my hub, god did not heal me or help me and neither did his mob. Eventually I figured out on my own that my health problems were from food sensitivities.
Baileybear, I need to tell you this. Your emotions were fooled by the devil. All negative thoughts come from the devil. There is always a spiritual encounter when we accept Jesus in our life. I never seen God either. We can't see a spirit. God is always speaking when you read the bible. The words are powerful and full of life. There is sin in this world today. We are not always healed from from health problems. You were a threat to the devil. It explains why he worked so hard to get you to turn away from God. The invitation to recieve Jesus again is still open.
Again, your entire argument is that you are too dense to understand and too lazy to research anything, so God must have done it. This is some of the most childish logic I have ever seen.
Frankly, it matters little.
Literal-minded believers will stick by their guns for the six day answer, and there are good arguments that can be made to explain their stance, but I'm not going to attempt to cover them.
Most will accept that even if the whole kit and kaboodle did 'evolve' God started the process.
Evolution does not challenge God, but it may highlight humanities ignorance as to exactly HOW we all got here, and why the conditions are exactly perfect for life to exist.
How it started is what the debate centres upon, and both sides hold their opinions to be correct.
No doubt one day we will know, or rather someone in the future will know, either here on earth, or in a spiritual existence after a natural death.
Some people will not even accept that the Earth is moving and the Sun is at the center of the Universe. It must be God and God alone who did it all in 7 days and from there on, nothing has ever changed. Way to go, intelligent people, way to go
Sorry Petra but I must correct your perception that the sun is the center of the universe...It is not. The sun, because planets revolve around it, is the center of a "solar system", that is uniquely its own. This solar system is not even in the center of the Milky Way galaxy .... a galaxy among millions and maybe billions of galaxy that form what we call the Universe.
In most countries other than the US non-fundamentalist Christians don't tend see evolution and Christianity as being in conflict. There is no reason why God couldn't have created a world that evolved.
"Do christians these days accept evolution?"
If the religionists can accept that God is an experimenter, then evolution is perfectly plausible.
"Do christians these days accept evolution?"
I think the Christians need to accept evolution as a reality; is it not mentioned in Bible that the Creator-God Allah YHWH created certain things on first day; and certain other things on the second day; third day...., fourth day, ...; so the things were created in stages and were evolved.
The Christians need to understand the Scriptures correctly.
you can believe you came from a small speck of cosmic dust if you want to, but before you claim that some thing is not in the Bible, you should try reading it first, and I think you should start at the beginning
Wasn't Adam made from dust? Anyone who takes the bible literally has a problem to begin with! It is merely old myths and fables told by ignorant goat herders and believed by those who should know better. How could they possibly believe in evolution?
Whereas evolution has been 'created' in the last 130 years by men who seek to prove what?
Good one!! I like this!!!!
Makes perfect sense to me too!!!
This simply proves my point! Evolution has been going on for millions of years, whereas christianity is only a couple of thousand years old. And it was invented by superstitious man.
Singularities are not "nothing" and gravity is not magical.
According to Bart Ehrman, Ph.D. religion from UNC Chapel Hill, most of the inerrantists are located in the U.S., primarily within the bible belt, which is mostly mid-America and the South. Christians in the rest of the world are not nearly so reliant upon the words in the bible for their beliefs.
It is really this vocal minority of evangelical Protestant Christians who oppose the evolutionary explanation as contrary to the bible, which they believe to be the inerrant word - and for some the literal word - of god.
Evolution Theory has never been proved. There are innumerable holes in the theory besides changing the millions and billions of years when they choose to. Yet recently "Dinosaur" flesh was discovered still with red blood fresh enough to make a DNA match.
There is not one level of fossil found yet with a gradual change in support of "Evolution" in all the layers they have discovered.
Also the only evolution taking place is the "Story of Evolution" where new stories are added year in and year out, still with no evidence
Reminds me of "Worshiping animals as Gods"
How about a link to the fresh blood found with a dinosaur carcass! Since the dinosaurs have been extinct for 65,000,000 years, this is something I would like to read about!
You can always easily find those who don't know anything about evolution. They announce themselves quite clearly.
Ah yes, back to "transitional fossils". Not only is every fossil transitional in nature, because evolution is a constant process, but there are literally thousands of examples for you to choose from all over the world.
Every fossil museum can handily dismiss this myth. Here's an example:
The horns of titanotheres (extinct Cenozoic mammals) appear in progressively larger sizes, from nothing to prominence. Other head and neck features also evolved. These features are adaptations for head-on ramming analogous to sheep behavior (Stanley 1974).
HOOWANTSTONO, great point! And you are so right. That reminds me of these passages:
"For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse." Rom 1:20
"Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles." Rom 1:22-3
there is more compelling evidence for evolution than for the existence of god
Only to those who can't understand science or refuses to believe anything which disagrees with the cult novel called The Holy Bible!
I really don't find it too terribly upsetting, after all, you can't build anything without starting out with the smallest component. Amazing how the template we call DNA stretches across the spectrum of life. Little additions here, little subtractions there, every now and then, tweak this, then tweak that. One question, though, and the answer is still up in the air. Why have some species not mutated at all. Nature must've produced perfection nearly on the first try.
Evolution comes from necessity and adaptation. What species are you reffering to? Perhaps they needed no change?
Most of the insects of earth have undergone little or no adaptation since their appearrance in the pre-saurian ages. Reptiles, also. Most of them have evolved zero since the disappearence of their larger cousins. Which raises a question: Why did they survive the major extinction, and the four other subsequent extinctions. The subject though was evolution vs Christians, which I am not, though my beliefs do stem from judaeo concepts, including the messiahianic promise. Does a champion always arise just when one is needed? Believers or not, we better hope so.
actually the very high number of insects is a measure of evolution - one could argue that insects are more "evolved" than humans - male earwigs have 2 identical, fully functional and independently operable penises & slugs have a penis 7x its body length!
Even some unicellular organisms have larger genomes than humans. The amoeba has genome 200x larger than humans. Even rice has genome larger than humans.
source: the rough guide to evolution by mark pallen
So looks are deceiving - just because something "looks" more complex, doesn't mean it is "higher" evolved
Simple, mutations in DNA can have no effect at all.
"We are not limited by what we see and touch and feel. We are spirit and where the spirit goes nobody knows."
Sure, all scientists have touched a black hole with their own hands, that's how they know they're there
how come nothing else has evolved? why do we still have monkeys? why are we not evolving ourselves? and how come we have found no trace of the "missing link"? The arguement for evolution is weak at best.
Please feel free to show where the argument is weak, if you can. Your questions show you don't know much about evolution.
Have you ever wondered why it's called the missing link?
Not at all, it's a transitional fossil. It's not difficult to understand that fossils are rare to begin with, considering the necessary conditions for them to form. It's also not difficult to understand how difficult it is to find them considering many are underground.
Evolution is a constant process, it has not stopped.
The same reasons we have any number of other species. They are here at this point in time.
Who says we are not?
We don't know where it might be and the earth is a big place, especially when you have to look underground.
there are still monkeys, because evolution is like different branches on a tree, splitting into further branches, all coming from a common distant ancestor. Monkeys happen to be on a "branch" nearby
"how come nothing else has evolved?"
Everything else has evolved, and is still evolving.
"why do we still have monkeys?"
Contrary to popular creationist belief, humans did not evolve "from" monkeys. We share a common ancestor. In the case of monkeys, this common ancestor was about 29-35 million years ago, when the ape family split from the Old World monkeys. The Old World monkeys continued along their own evolutionary path, which eventually resulted in familiar modern species such as baboons, macaques, vervet monkeys, and colobus monkeys. The apes continued along a different one, eventually resulting in gibbons, gorillas, orangutans, chimpanzees, and humans. Our closest living relatives are the chimpanzees (common chimpanzees and bonobos) and the last common ancestor we shared with them lived about 6-8 million years ago. Chimpanzees are believed to be about 1 million years old, as a species, and humans about 200,000.
Also contrary to creationist belief, humans are not the pinnacle of evolution and everything else is not trying to "become" us. We'll be something different - or several somethings different - in another few hundred thousand or million years, and so will most other familiar species of the modern world.
There are some things, such as horseshoe crabs, that change very little over tens or hundreds of millions of years, but that's because they are perfectly adapted to their environment and their environment has changed little for all that time. As land animals, humans are unlikely to be able to say the same.
"why are we not evolving ourselves?"
We are. You just can't see it happening. Humans and chimps share 96% of the same genes, so it took most of 6-8 million years to lead to a 4% genetic difference.
Evolution is the result of tiny changes building up over almost unfathomably vast periods of time.
"and how come we have found no trace of the "missing link"?"
Actually we have pretty good knowledge of the evolutionary progression of a number of species, including our own. You're not going to find something that's exactly "halfway" between one species and another, because individual genetic variation can cause tremendous differences between individuals of the same family, let alone the same species.
For example, we know our ancestors got taller over time, but it wasn't necessarily a uniform progression. The average height of each species increased, but within the species, some individuals would still be unusually short and others would be unusually tall. The normal range of modern human height ranges from about 4'8" (barely larger than some of our ancient ape-like ancestors) to 6'8" - there is no reason to think that Australopithecus, for example, wouldn't have had similar variation.
that's as illogical as saying "if many australians and americans originated from europeans, why are there still europeans?"
how come some humans have tails - real tails with bones? How come some whales and dolphins (mammals) have extra limbs with bones in them? How come fetuses from humans, cats, chickens etc all look very similar in early stage?
BTW whales and hippos are genetically close (like humans and apes)
Then answer my weak questions. Show me what you know. How about just answering one of them? They are fair questions,aren't they?
And you suppose those are answers,don't you. It seems you don't any more of evolution than I do.
Beelzedad, There is absolutely no evidence to support evolution from any area of science, only theory. This is exactly why it's called the missing link. It doesn't make sense for you to say it's a threat to me. I don't have time for the games. God bless!
Have you ever really studied the theory of evolution? Bible Belt, I would wager!
More than simple Bible Belt - this is matching shoes, purse, and hat.
Randy, I have researched it and recieved accurate information. Have a nice day.
The fact that there are mountains of evidence from every single facet and category of science only shows just how little you understand of the world around you and how deeply you've been indoctrinated into your religion.
Microbiology would not even exist as a science if not for the evidence of evolution.
No, it isn't. All that describes is a transitional fossil.
It's a threat to your religion and your beliefs and I can see how that would make no sense to you. Making sense though, requires some thought.
Yet, all you do is play mind games, stating one contradiction after another in a vain attempt to support your religious beliefs.
that's what creationists like to convince themselves. But of course, they enjoy the improved lifestyle modern science offers - medicine, surgery, range of foods, vehicles, etc etc
Baileybear, I really enjoy the improved lifestyle modern science offers. I give God all the glory for science. Without God, science would not exist. You are fully aware that God is the source, but you refuse to give God the credit. All is well. God loves you.
i'm a christian and believe in evolution, as i always viewed science as more of an explanation as to HOW god created everything rather than contradict the bible.
I totally agree, here, Science actually compliments the bible.
Many christans are afraid of science but it actually validates the bible, if they would take the time to see this.
And if it weren't for science we wouldn't have all the cool stuff that we do now.
Did you know velcro was invented by NASA. That's cool.
NASA invented velcro? that is pretty cool. i didn't know that. i guess you learn something new everyday.
Yeah, when the reached zero gravity they needed something to keep all those gadgets in place.
yeah, that's true. that does make a lot of sense.
The bible also talks about the hydrolic cycle. You know where the clouds, and storms that form over the sea then move inland and dump water in the form of rain, hail, snow, etc. Then the, lakes feed into and out of the rivers which run ito the sea. etc, etc, a continuous cycle.
There is a passage in the bible I can't remember where, I would have to research it since it has been many years since I learned it.
but it goes something like this.
All the rivers run into the sea, yet the sea is not full. From where the waters came there they will return. Pretty cool huh.
yeah, that does sound pretty interesting. I'll have to look that up sometime. wow, beauty and brains. that's quite a combination diane.
Yeah I'm not a particularly religious person but it has always fascinated me how much science actually does validate the bible. If you know where to look.
I was raised in a household where one parent never went to church, and the other went occassionaly, yet my mom made us go even if they didn't so I got mixed messages. But once we were older we were not made to go. Mom says she made us go so we would get a foundation of the bible then let us choose for ourselves what to do.
Oh and thanks for the compliment. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so I'll take it. Brains........Okay I'll take it too, It's probably pretty wrinkled.
hey, don't you know the more wrinkles your brain has, the smarter you are. that's what i learned from a documentary once on how the brain works a while back.
Oh well then it's definately wrinkled.
Who'd have ever thought that's a good thing.
i know right. of course, i guess that's why i like you so much.
Diane, You and I had similar experiences. My mother and father didn't attend church regular. My mom made sure we attended Sunday School to recieve a foundation of the bible also.
only around you my dear cyber wife. j/k
sit down? you okay?
Oh I'm great, my head is spinning, the darn room won't be still.
My eyes keep seeing, things, I don't know quite how to describe it.
maybe you need to lie down for a spell. i know you told me you weren't getting a lot of sleep lately, so it might be a case where your body is starting to shut down on you, as it's fatigued.
or could be and overload of BS
Just kidding. My fiestyness is showing dagnabit.
Perhaps I do need to lie down. lol
maybe. i think you just love making me worry about you, huh?
Do you really, I don't love making you worry, I do however love that you do.
Isn't that sweet, nice to know somebody does.
no problem. i like worrying about you Diane, as it gives me an excuse to think about you.
Oh, I wish I could just fold you up and put you in my pocket.
yeah, that would be nice. thanks diane. i appreciate you saying that.
Of course it's probably hard to breathe in there.
Hey I think I will try to lay down for awhile, nice to connect with you again. Hope to do so again sometime.
You have a good day okay. Night Night.
yeah, but well never mind. you might slap me if i told you what i was thinking. well it was good seeing you too diane. I hope you feel better tomorrow. you have a good night okay. oh by the way, i got an e-mail from that poet, you told me about, and she says she just likes to write dramatic sad stuff like that, and didn't mean anything by it. just thought you wanted to know.
Cool, that girl had me worried. I just want to whip her. It's like when a kid run out in front of a car, you just want slap them for scaring you to death.
But I'm glad that's all it was. Thanks for letting me know.
Night cyber hun.
oh, stop flirting you two & get back to the topic
My religious choices have nothing to do with the far-fetched claims of evolution. It's just hard to believe. There has been mountains of evidence proven wrong countless times. The wisest men thought the sun went around the earth. The intelligent society agreed the earth was flat. Nasa just ruled Pluto is not a planet. NASA does nothing without a mountain of evidence. If NASA can be wrong, could'nt Darwin be? You must believe everything you read. Dare to think a little.
One has to understand it first.
I keep hearing these claims from believers, yet not one believer has ever produced an argument explaining their claims. Will you be presenting anything?
claims and excuses by creationists with responses - on evolution, bible, etc
It seems like the main reason Christians object to Darwinism is due to its moral, or "immoral", implications. But even if Darwinism truly does threaten the moral order of society, that still doesn't mean it's wrong. For Darwin, morality is simply another trait acquired through natural selection, and human beings may just be ready to shed that trait just as we have left behind our big noses, hairy bodies and nomadic lifestyle.
So in truth, it's foolish for anyone to argue that Darwinism is responsible for the unprecedented immoral behavior of the past century, because Darwinism isn't immoral. It's amoral. Morality is just another dispensible variable in the Darwinian equation, and it's surely not a strong base for any argument against a Darwinist -- who has his mind fixed on something more empirical, pragmatic, and constant, namely the law of nature, which is also amoral.
Vatican buries the hatchet with Charles Darwin
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen … 705331.ece
You can look at it this way. God told Adam that he will die within a day of eating the fruit from the forbidden tree but Adam didn't infact he lived for quite sometime after (he and his wife). So it is evident that one day to God is many many years for us. Therefore when GOD said he created the earth in 7 days, it would have been a really long time on earth from a human standpoint, therefore in that time during his creation evolution could have taken place.
Seven days should be taken as seven periods as Quran corrects the Bible; the Bible scribes missed the point in understanding the phenomenon or the meaning were lost in translation of the Bible or transliteration.
Did I miss something has 'Darwin' beem proves right I thought it was a Theory???? Last I heard Darwin become a Christian, and I belive even Darwin stated he could not belive his own theory'
I have only one question?? WERE IS THE MISSING LINK!!
parr you know and I know the Quran NEVER can CORRECT the BIBLE so give it a rest ok I do admire the way you post your UNTRUTHS
Darwin was a christian that became agnostic. His theory has had overwhelming evidence supporting it over the last 150 years with discoveries etc.
Those things you heard about Darwin (all crap) - you got those from an anti-evolutionist?
And what exactly do you mean when you ask for the "missing link"?
The Christians should accept evolution and rectify their understanding of the Bible.Seven days should be taken as seven periods as Quran corrects the Bible; the Bible scribes missed the point in understanding the phenomenon or the meaning were lost in translation of the Bible or transliteration.
paar did you mean the Quran that lost its meaning when remember it was remembered by 100's translated by 100's, were much must be lost in translation, as 100'S can not remember accurate, this exposes why the Quran was lost on many translations.
No were does the Bible say 7 days of 24 hours, and the Quran cannot correct the Bible, not now or ever. PAAR YOU WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE THANK YOU; is this because you love reading the true word of God?
You hardly ever Quote the Quran, or the Torah, paar you should also get a better understanding, of the Bible as you quote the Bible so much.
I do not need or want to get a understanding of the Quran, as I am told to ubderstand the Quran first you must learn arabic, as Arabic cannot be translated to ENGLISH, then after I can read the Quran I must have sombody EXPLAIN what it means, OH REALLY!!!!
The Christians should accept evolution and rectify their understanding of the Bible.Seven days should be taken as seven periods as Quran corrects the Bible; the Bible scribes missed the point in understanding the phenomenon or the meaning were lost in translation of the Bible or transliteration.
Hey, Paar...ever get a feeling that there are more indians than you thought there were? one phrase: Little Bighorn, good buddy.
How about it Skipper? Evolution threaten you?
I like Indians; so I don't mind if they are in any large numbers here
paar you exiset just to attack Christians, you are so wrong , you take so much out of context, also the Quran cannot correct anything in the Bible because the Quran is pure hearsay, ( no person cam be proved to ever have written the Quran) so paar take your attacks on something you do not understand and go and read , learn untill then you are NOT a PEACEFULL MUSLIM.!!
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