If you didn't have a Bible

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janesixposted 9 years ago
Would you still hear God?

Where does the Spirit reside?
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  wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, from the evangelist, proselytizing on the street corner.
  
  If not there, in a quiet walk through the forest, along a bubbling brook. It won't be the same violent, vicious, cruel and childish god of the bible, though - it will be one of peace, of love and of caring. One inside you, not needing a preacher to explain it or a fancy church building (with a basketball court inside) to worship in. Your god won't have a private hell to punish you in, nor will it damn you to eternal life at it's feet.
  
  For the spirit resides inside of you, not in a book and not in the church. A quiet walk through the nature outside of yourself can help let it out, can help it grow. You, not some preacher man behind a podium, are the spirit. You are the god - not some imagined 4th dimensional creature from another universe that runs around committing genocide.
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I agree.
  
  I was wondering what Christians think would happen if there were no Bible in the first place. Would they find God then?
  
  I could ask the same of any religion with books or teachers.
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  wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps they did - Gnostics were fairly common prior to the bible being compiled, and seemed to think they had found God. Something along the lines of what I said, not what the bible would one day say.
  
  Then they put together the bible and the gnostics were hunted down and killed as heretics. And the only god left was that 4th dimensional creature from another universe that has a penchant for genocide and general mayhem.
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  janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I know. It's unfortunate.
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  Cat333posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. They have no speech, they use no words;
  no sound is heard from them. Yet their voice[b] goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. " Psalm 19:1-4
  
  "The thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.…" 1 Corinthians 2:12
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  wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  But...Psalms is a nice piece of poetry, but not real. The heavens do NOT declare the glory of God, not unless the person looking already believes.
  
  But...Christian posters in these forums have made it abundantly clear that God (spirit) will not visit without faith, and not all have faith. In addition, no one WITH faith can reliably point out which things come from a god and which come from within their own conscience or mind. The only reasonable conclusion is that there is no spirit in them, Christian or not.
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  wba108@yahoo.composted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I would still hear from God because as you said the Spirit resides in us and not the bible. However, the Bible provides flawless record of what God has spoken in the past and provides an absolute standard by which we can judge what we are hearing from God now and whether our doctrine is in line with what God has said.
  
  2 Tim 3:16-7 says : All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
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  Paul Wingertposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  How cute. If religion vanished and wasn't passed on and was to be reinvented, it would come back as similar nonsense, but not the same nonsense.
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  tbHistorianposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Do you still feel the warmth of the sun with your eyes closed?
  Do you know that a tree still makes a noise when it falls even if you are not in the forest?
  If so, then one does not need the Bible to know that God exists as the Spirit flows within you.
  Those who suppress the Spirit ridicule those who feel the Spirit and live through righteousness with honor.
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  wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  My ability to detect temperature variations is unimpaired.
  
  Although I have not checked with recording devices, I would put an extremely high probability on a falling tree making noise. (Besides, I saw it on TV when that one fell and then asked for help )
  
  But I do not know that any god, let alone the Christian God, exists. I do not feel the spirit or detect either spirit or a god in any other manner. Perhaps it is because I feel it but do not recognize it for spirit - can you indicate what it feels like and how you differentiate from other similar feelings? As well as explain why being able to detect the warmth of light means there is a god?
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  tbHistorianposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  The Spirit sparked within me presents itself as a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, awarded to me. The Lord stands at my side and presents me with great strength, so that through me his message will be fully proclaimed. This permits me to keep my head in all situations, overcome hardships, do the work of an evangelist, and discharge all duties of ministry. There are no other similar feelings as those borne of the Spirit. Even the blind individual can feel these powers as they walk with the Lord. That makes it equal to being able to detect the warmth of the light just as the blind person can detect the warmth of the sun.
  2 Timothy 1:7
  For the Spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power, love and self-discipline.
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  wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Do you see a mental image of this crown? Can you describe it?
  
  If it is imaginary only, how do you know it is from God - that your own imagination did not create it?
  
  But most of all, what do those feelings feel like? It WAS the question, after all, but you only say that YOU have felt nothing else like it. I seem to have, but cannot be sure because I don't know what the spirit feels like.
  
  Can't say either that I've ever seen anyone claiming to have the spirit have any more power than I do, except in the purely muscular sense and I assume you don't mean that. Nor do many of them have any more self-discipline - the divorce rate alone shows that to be untrue. Unless all divorcees have no spirit in them?
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  tbHistorianposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  wilderness - your incessant belaying and braying is typical of those who cannot accept their own denial of the Spirit. Those who cannot accept the Spirit as part of their being can never understand the ability of others to recognize the Spirit and its impact on their lives. So, no matter what I provide as a definition of the wonderful righteousness that fills me, you will never purvey the moral good felt within the Spirit. That is why your focus is on the negative path of denial rather than the positive path of righteousness. The Spirit of the Lord is easily obtained when one opens up to it through righteousness bearing love and the oil of joy.
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  wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Stripped of it's nonsense and jargon, you're saying that the spirit feels no different than anything else then. That you refuse to describe it, presumably because it cannot be differentiated from any other method of insight.
  
  I get it, really I do. You could have just said so, instead of supplying insults to distract from your lack of real answer.
  
  Good that you are a righteousness person, though. Or is it just self-righteousness, a "holier than thou" attitude that gives a good feeling throughout that you then ascribe to the spirit?
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  tbHistorianposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Truth is not an insult. You choose to distract and deceive. So you will always feel insulted because you cannot counter the truth except through false accusations.
  Your internal strife comes from personal denial that wrecks the inner sphere and denies the Spirit.
  While you attempt to counter this with squalor fervor, your lack of acceptance of the truth places a statement that something is not true or real simply because you say it is so.
  Therefore, regardless of the knowledge and wisdom of those who have the Spirit, you will never perceive it because you continue to deny it.
  Righteousness is not something that is simply felt, but that is lived continually by those who are filled by the Spirit.
  2 Timothy 3 (NIV)
  3 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. 6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.
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  wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Oh? And I have deceived you? I'm sorry - that was not the intent, just to better understand what the "Spirit" felt like when it communicates.
  
  If it does - so far you have steadfastly refused to answer that simple question. It almost appears that YOU are the one deceiving, by claiming you have talked with the Spirit when you have not.
  
  Nice quotations, but of course pretty much meaningless to a non-believer. As a method of communication they are worthless and even more so (if such is possible) as evidence of any kind of truth. Certainly no rational human being, writing the scripture, would ever consider 2,000 years to be "last days" - such folly is clear to everyone not embroiled in believing the myth of Christianity.
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  tbHistorianposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I have responded with the knowledge required for you to perceive.
  However, in your negative world, perception alludes you.
  Every rational human being accepting the knowledge passed through the ages to enable wisdom provides the truth.
  Lack of ability to accept it renders the non-believer ignorant of the Spirit.
  God blesses those that accept the path provided by Jesus.
  I will always choose that righteous path over the dark path of the non-believer.
  Jeremiah 32:19
  great are God's purposes and mighty are God's deeds. God's eyes are open to the ways of all mankind; he rewards each person according to their conduct and as their deeds deserve.
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  wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  You have done no such thing. You've given quotations from a book of lies and misinformation. You've given opinion but refused to say what it is based on and you have given meaningless platitudes and jargon that are of no value.
  
  If only there WERE any "knowledge passed through the ages"! But your claim that there is doesn't make it so, particularly when you cannot support the claim with anything but "It's the Spirit! (from a mythological, imaginary creature from another universe)".
  
  Example: "God blesses those that accept the path provided by Jesus.". A nice platitude but I notice you don't define "blesses" or "path". You don't include any evidence it is true, and steadfastly refuse to do so. You provide no knowledge, then, just opinion which you will not support with anything but quotations not worth the ink they are printed in.
  
  All while complaining that others are just trying to deceive. Got it.
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  tbHistorianposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  blah - blah - blah -blah - blah
  you continue to refuse to accept the truth.
  you challenge others with deceit and then question the truth at every instance.
  you live to deny, I live through righteousness.
  you will never understand because you are the deceiver - the devil in flesh.
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  wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  What truth? Truth can be proven; what you offer is opinion, backed by nothing whatsoever.
  
  If you have truth, knowledge, then show the proof/evidence. If not, accept that you know very little and just have an opinion based on the desire for a fairy tale ending.
  
  And yes, I absolutely question what others tell me, Even that which I feel is probably true - something you would be well advised to learn to do yourself.
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  Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  blah - blah - blah -blah - blah
  you continue to refuse to accept the truth.
  you challenge others with deceit and then question the truth at every instance.
  you live to deny, I live through righteousness.
  
  Hey look at that, your words were so empty they can be applied to you as well. Except I'd never call someone the devil in flesh, it's just not nice or righteous.
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  wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Funny how that works, isn't it? The accuser, refusing any form of rational discussion or thought, is the "righteous" one while the one asking for information is Satan and is to be the subject of a personal attack.
  
  All to maintain a belief system that does not and cannot have reality as a part of it.
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  (Q)posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  See how quickly the afflicted get angry and begin attacking others, telling them they are evil as they protect their bubble at any cost. Just smile and wave.
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  tbHistorianposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I am blessed because I follow the righteous path.
  2 Timothy 1: 6-12
  6 For this reason I remind you to fan into flame the gift of God, which is in you through the laying on of my hands. 7 For the Spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power, love and self-discipline. 8 So do not be ashamed of the testimony about our Lord or of me his prisoner. Rather, join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God. 9 He has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time, 10 but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel. 11 And of this gospel I was appointed a herald and an apostle and a teacher. 12 That is why I am suffering as I am. Yet this is no cause for shame, because I know whom I have believed, and am convinced that he is able to guard what I have entrusted to him until that day.
  1 Timothy 5:15
  15 Some have in fact already turned away to follow Satan.
  The devil is then found in the flesh of these who have turned away to follow Satan.
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  (Q)posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  We can see here once again that "Spirit" is synonymous with mental disorder. It is beyond the afflicted persons understanding why others don't see hallucinations or hear voices in their heads like they do.
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  tbHistorianposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  The Spirit abounds within me because I have chosen to follow the righteous path. Those that become involved with me flourish as they receive the power of the Lord. From this endowment, our world is one that advances the flame of achievement. Those that follow the evil are afflicted with dissent through lack of wisdom about the righteous path. They resent those that have found the righteous path and who can fulfill a great destiny through spreading the word of God.
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  wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  It is good (I suppose) that you claim you are blessed and have the spirit because you are self righteous. It seems a little egotistical, though, to declare that anyone involved with you will flourish - I was (am) involved but feel nothing but foolish for listening to your drivel and/or trying to help you understand that your opinions are not fact and are not seen as fact by others.
  
  It is probably NOT so good that you think anyone that disagrees with your fantasy follows Satan instead of your preferred mythological creature. It is not uncommon for such beliefs to end in paranoia or other illnesses - you might want to consider that people that disagree are not automatically evil and out to get you. They just see things differently than you do, or perhaps choose to use reason rather than emotion to guide their own lives.
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  tbHistorianposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I am the wisdom that you seek.
  However, you deny the Lord and so can never receive it.
  Differences will always exist for those that fight the Spirit.
  Those who follow the path of righteousness will always flourish.
  That is where the jealousy resides in those that do not follow the Lord.
  2 Timothy 4:2
  Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction.
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  (Q)posted 9 years agoin reply to this
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  wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I have yet to see any wisdom from you; just quotations from ignorant peasants thousands of years ago and a really stupid statement that I follow and presumably worship an evil mythological creature that never existed. Truly, I don't think you have a single thing I would ever search for.
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  (Q)posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Just smile and wave...
  
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