If you didn't have a Bible

Jump to Last Post 1-1 of 1 discussions (32 posts)
  1. janesix profile image60
    janesixposted 9 years ago

    Would you still hear God?

    Where does the Spirit reside?

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, from the evangelist, proselytizing on the street corner.

      If not there, in a quiet walk through the forest, along a bubbling brook.  It won't be the same violent, vicious, cruel and childish god of the bible, though - it will be one of peace, of love and of caring.  One inside you, not needing a preacher to explain it or a fancy church building (with a basketball court inside) to worship in.  Your god won't have a private hell to punish you in, nor will it damn you to eternal life at it's feet. 

      For the spirit resides inside of you, not in a book and not in the church.  A quiet walk through the nature outside of yourself can help let it out, can help it grow.  You, not some preacher man behind a podium, are the spirit.  You are the god - not some imagined 4th dimensional creature from another universe that runs around committing genocide.

      1. janesix profile image60
        janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        Yes, I agree.

        I was wondering what Christians think would happen if there were no Bible in the first place. Would they find God then?

        I could ask the same of any religion with books or teachers.

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          Perhaps they did - Gnostics were fairly common prior to the bible being compiled, and seemed to think they had found God.  Something along the lines of what I said, not what the bible would one day say.

          Then they put together the bible and the gnostics were hunted down and killed as heretics.  And the only god left was that 4th dimensional creature from another universe that has a penchant for genocide and general mayhem.

          1. janesix profile image60
            janesixposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            I know. It's unfortunate.

    2. Cat333 profile image61
      Cat333posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. They have no speech, they use no words;
      no sound is heard from them. Yet their voice[b] goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. " Psalm 19:1-4

      "The thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.…" 1 Corinthians 2:12

      1. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        But...Psalms is a nice piece of poetry, but not real.  The heavens do NOT declare the glory of God, not unless the person looking already believes.

        But...Christian posters in these forums have made it abundantly clear that God (spirit) will not visit without faith, and not all have faith.  In addition, no one WITH faith can reliably point out which things come from a god and which come from within their own conscience or mind.  The  only reasonable conclusion is that there is no spirit in them, Christian or not.

    3. wba108@yahoo.com profile image78
      wba108@yahoo.composted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I would still hear from God because as you said the Spirit resides in us and not the bible. However, the Bible provides flawless record of what God has spoken in the past and provides an absolute standard by which we can judge what we are hearing from God now and whether our doctrine is in line with what God has said.

      2 Tim 3:16-7 says :  All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

      1. Paul Wingert profile image60
        Paul Wingertposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        How cute. If religion vanished and wasn't passed on and was to be reinvented, it would come back as similar nonsense, but not the same nonsense.

    4. profile image52
      tbHistorianposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Do you still feel the warmth of the sun with your eyes closed?
      Do you know that a tree still makes a noise when it falls even if you are not in the forest?
      If so, then one does not need the Bible to know that God exists as the Spirit flows within you.
      Those who suppress the Spirit ridicule those who feel the Spirit and live through righteousness with honor.

      1. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        My ability to detect temperature variations is unimpaired.

        Although I have not checked with recording devices, I would put an extremely high probability on a falling tree making noise.  (Besides, I saw it on TV when that one fell and then asked for help smile )

        But I do not know that any god, let alone the Christian God, exists.  I do not feel the spirit or detect either spirit or a god in any other manner.  Perhaps it is because I feel it but do not recognize it for spirit - can you indicate what it feels like and how you differentiate from other similar feelings?  As well as explain why being able to detect the warmth of light means there is a god?

        1. profile image52
          tbHistorianposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          The Spirit sparked within me presents itself as a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, awarded to me.  The Lord stands at my side and presents me with great strength, so that through me his message will be fully proclaimed.  This permits me to keep my head in all situations, overcome hardships, do the work of an evangelist, and discharge all duties of ministry.  There are no other similar feelings as those borne of the Spirit.  Even the blind individual can feel these powers as they walk with the Lord.  That makes it equal to being able to detect the warmth of the light just as the blind person can detect the warmth of the sun.
          2 Timothy 1:7
          For the Spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power, love and self-discipline.

          1. wilderness profile image97
            wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Do you see a mental image of this crown?  Can you describe it?

            If it is imaginary only, how do you know it is from God - that your own imagination did not create it? 

            But most of all, what do those feelings feel like?  It WAS the question, after all, but you only say that YOU have felt nothing else like it.  I seem to have, but cannot be sure because I don't know what the spirit feels like.

            Can't say either that I've ever seen anyone claiming to have the spirit have any more power than I do, except in the purely muscular sense and I assume you don't mean that.  Nor do many of them have any more self-discipline - the divorce rate alone shows that to be untrue.  Unless all divorcees have no spirit in them?

            1. profile image52
              tbHistorianposted 9 years agoin reply to this

              wilderness - your incessant belaying and braying is typical of those who cannot accept their own denial of the Spirit. Those who cannot accept the Spirit as part of their being can never understand the ability of others to recognize the Spirit and its impact on their lives. So, no matter what I provide as a definition of the wonderful righteousness that fills me, you will never purvey the moral good felt within the Spirit. That is why your focus is on the negative path of denial rather than the positive path of righteousness. The Spirit of the Lord is easily obtained when one opens up to it through righteousness bearing love and the oil of joy.

              1. wilderness profile image97
                wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                Stripped of it's nonsense and jargon, you're saying that the spirit feels no different than anything else then.  That you refuse to describe it, presumably because it cannot be differentiated from any other method of insight. 

                I get it, really I do.  You could have just said so, instead of supplying insults to distract from your lack of real answer. 

                Good that you are a righteousness person, though.  Or is it just self-righteousness, a "holier than thou" attitude that gives a good feeling throughout that you then ascribe to the spirit?

                1. profile image52
                  tbHistorianposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Truth is not an insult. You choose to distract and deceive. So you will always feel insulted because you cannot counter the truth except through false accusations.
                  Your internal strife comes from personal denial that wrecks the inner sphere and denies the Spirit.
                  While you attempt to counter this with squalor fervor, your lack of acceptance of the truth places a statement that something is not true or real simply because you say it is so.
                  Therefore, regardless of the knowledge and wisdom of those who have the Spirit, you will never perceive it because you continue to deny it.
                  Righteousness is not something that is simply felt, but that is lived continually by those who are filled by the Spirit.
                  2 Timothy 3 (NIV)
                  3 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. 6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.

                  1. wilderness profile image97
                    wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                    Oh?  And I have deceived you?  I'm sorry - that was not the intent, just to better understand what the "Spirit" felt like when it communicates.

                    If it does - so far you have steadfastly refused to answer that simple question.  It almost appears that YOU are the one deceiving, by claiming you have talked with the Spirit when you have not.

                    Nice quotations, but of course pretty much meaningless to a non-believer.  As a method of communication they are worthless and even more so (if such is possible) as evidence of any kind of truth.  Certainly no rational human being, writing the scripture, would ever consider 2,000 years to be "last days" - such folly is clear to everyone not embroiled in believing the myth of Christianity.

              2. profile image55
                (Q)posted 9 years agoin reply to this

                We can see here once again that "Spirit" is synonymous with mental disorder. It is beyond the afflicted persons understanding why others don't see hallucinations or hear voices in their heads like they do.

                1. profile image52
                  tbHistorianposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  The Spirit abounds within me because I have chosen to follow the righteous path.  Those that become involved with me flourish as they receive the power of the Lord.  From this endowment, our world is one that advances the flame of achievement.  Those that follow the evil are afflicted with dissent through lack of wisdom about the righteous path.  They resent those that have found the righteous path and who can fulfill a great destiny through spreading the word of God.

                  1. wilderness profile image97
                    wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                    It is good (I suppose) that you claim you are blessed and have the spirit because you are self righteous.  It seems a little egotistical, though, to declare that anyone involved with you will flourish - I was (am) involved but feel nothing but foolish for listening to your drivel and/or trying to help you understand that your opinions are not fact and are not seen as fact by others.

                    It is probably NOT so good that you think anyone that disagrees with your fantasy follows Satan instead of your preferred mythological creature.  It is not uncommon for such beliefs to end in paranoia or other illnesses - you might want to consider that people that disagree are not automatically evil and out to get you.  They just see things differently than you do, or perhaps choose to use reason rather than emotion to guide their own lives.

                  2. profile image55
                    (Q)posted 9 years agoin reply to this

                    Just smile and wave... 



This website uses cookies

As a user in the EEA, your approval is needed on a few things. To provide a better website experience, hubpages.com uses cookies (and other similar technologies) and may collect, process, and share personal data. Please choose which areas of our service you consent to our doing so.

For more information on managing or withdrawing consents and how we handle data, visit our Privacy Policy at: https://corp.maven.io/privacy-policy

Show Details
HubPages Device IDThis is used to identify particular browsers or devices when the access the service, and is used for security reasons.
LoginThis is necessary to sign in to the HubPages Service.
Google RecaptchaThis is used to prevent bots and spam. (Privacy Policy)
AkismetThis is used to detect comment spam. (Privacy Policy)
HubPages Google AnalyticsThis is used to provide data on traffic to our website, all personally identifyable data is anonymized. (Privacy Policy)
HubPages Traffic PixelThis is used to collect data on traffic to articles and other pages on our site. Unless you are signed in to a HubPages account, all personally identifiable information is anonymized.
Amazon Web ServicesThis is a cloud services platform that we used to host our service. (Privacy Policy)
CloudflareThis is a cloud CDN service that we use to efficiently deliver files required for our service to operate such as javascript, cascading style sheets, images, and videos. (Privacy Policy)
Google Hosted LibrariesJavascript software libraries such as jQuery are loaded at endpoints on the googleapis.com or gstatic.com domains, for performance and efficiency reasons. (Privacy Policy)
Google Custom SearchThis is feature allows you to search the site. (Privacy Policy)
Google MapsSome articles have Google Maps embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
Google ChartsThis is used to display charts and graphs on articles and the author center. (Privacy Policy)
Google AdSense Host APIThis service allows you to sign up for or associate a Google AdSense account with HubPages, so that you can earn money from ads on your articles. No data is shared unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
Google YouTubeSome articles have YouTube videos embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
VimeoSome articles have Vimeo videos embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
PaypalThis is used for a registered author who enrolls in the HubPages Earnings program and requests to be paid via PayPal. No data is shared with Paypal unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
Facebook LoginYou can use this to streamline signing up for, or signing in to your Hubpages account. No data is shared with Facebook unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
MavenThis supports the Maven widget and search functionality. (Privacy Policy)
Google AdSenseThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Google DoubleClickGoogle provides ad serving technology and runs an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Index ExchangeThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
SovrnThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Facebook AdsThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Amazon Unified Ad MarketplaceThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
AppNexusThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
OpenxThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Rubicon ProjectThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
TripleLiftThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Say MediaWe partner with Say Media to deliver ad campaigns on our sites. (Privacy Policy)
Remarketing PixelsWe may use remarketing pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to advertise the HubPages Service to people that have visited our sites.
Conversion Tracking PixelsWe may use conversion tracking pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to identify when an advertisement has successfully resulted in the desired action, such as signing up for the HubPages Service or publishing an article on the HubPages Service.
Author Google AnalyticsThis is used to provide traffic data and reports to the authors of articles on the HubPages Service. (Privacy Policy)
ComscoreComScore is a media measurement and analytics company providing marketing data and analytics to enterprises, media and advertising agencies, and publishers. Non-consent will result in ComScore only processing obfuscated personal data. (Privacy Policy)
Amazon Tracking PixelSome articles display amazon products as part of the Amazon Affiliate program, this pixel provides traffic statistics for those products (Privacy Policy)
ClickscoThis is a data management platform studying reader behavior (Privacy Policy)