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Hebrews 11:1 of the New Testament

  1. Doc Young profile image72
    Doc Youngposted 3 years ago

    Hebrews 11:1, "Now faith ... ".

    Lot of talk here in Hub world by, for and against the Christian; by for and against the atheist. 

    The above verse is taken from the New Testament (NT).  The NT along with the Old Testament (OT) together is the Bible of the orthodox Christian world.  The Bible is also the base, though twisted, for most all other religions and holy books that recognize God as the Creator.  I didn't complete the verse which will cause all to look at the true Word of God in order to give a proper answer to the question.

    The question is, Christian, what is the "substance" and "evidence."  For those Christians and non-believers that care to join in please do so in a respectful manner.

    As a sidebar and a bit of humor, let's see how long it takes the argumentative group to get off-track.

    1. Paul Wingert profile image77
      Paul Wingertposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Anyone who reads,from a credible source, about the history of Mesopotamia, will clearly see that the founder of Judaism based their religious beliefs on earlier Sumerian myths. Abraham (if he existed, but someone founded the Hebrew religion and calling him Abraham works for me) was supposedly from the Sumerian Empire, located in southern Mesopotamia. So obviously he was brought up with their 2100 gods and myths. The Judeo/Christian god and Enki (later Ea) the Sumerian God of Knowledge, Creativity and Creation sounds like one and the same. The debate goes on with that one. The Book of Genesis is a ripoff from a much earlier Sumerian creation and flood myth.

      1. Doc Young profile image72
        Doc Youngposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        ... always had problems with the gods of the pagans, pointedly here of the akkadian/summerian age ... enki being summerian and ea being akkadian but the akkadians disappeared before the summerian culture even though guess-work science tries to make a transition work ... i expect the Flood wiped out the akkadians, except, possibly one who may have been the wife of one of the sons of Noah ...

        1. Paul Wingert profile image77
          Paul Wingertposted 3 years agoin reply to this

          Ea is later Babylonian. A flood wiped out the Aakkadian Empire? Really? So instead of actually doing any research, you just make stuff up. Nice!

    2. profile image0
      SirDentposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Even in forensic science, after all the evidence is gathered and the story put together without a shadow of a doubt, they still have not seen what happened as it happened. It is by faith that their conclusion come to what it is.

      Faith is coming to a conclusion without seeing what happened firsthand, going only by evidence as it is revealed.  God has revealed to His followers who Jesus Christ really is but satan has blinded the minds of unbelievers.

  2. tlmcgaa70 profile image76
    tlmcgaa70posted 3 years ago

    first, faith is very hard to explain to those who do not have it. perhaps an analogy would help. there is a saying, "red skies at night, sailors delight. red skies in the morn, sailors scorn". pretty straight forward...if a sailor sees a very red sunset, they were positive that the next days sailing would be good. if however the day started out with a deep red sunrise, they were pretty positive a bad storm would hit before the day ended. this is a form of faith. they see a sign, red skies, and have faith it will be as it always has been. because the past taught them how it normally goes. for a believer, our life is spent learning about our GOD and how HE works in our life, our world. i used to worry constantly that a tire would blow on the truck i drove. but no matter what condition the tire was in, i would pray before driving somewhere, and i never did have a blow out. that is how GOD taught me to have faith in HIS promises.

    Hebrews 11 King James Version (KJV)

    11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

    the substance of things hoped for.....we put our hope in the promise of salvation, so our faith is the substance of that hope. evidence of things not seen...we (mankind) cannot see GOD with our eyes, like we see another human being. CHRIST said this;

    John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

    faith is believing the Word of GOD to be true and inspired by GOD.

    2nd...satan knew what GOD had planned for mankind. satan wished to confuse and distract man from belief in GOD. satan created false gods and fostered belief in them. GOD alone is the true GOD. HIS Word is true.

    1. Paul Wingert profile image77
      Paul Wingertposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      It's true because some poorly educated schmuck told you it was true to the point where you believe it. Called brainwashing. Pastors know how to tell you BS what you want to hear and they focus on it. Got to keep you coming back every Sunday or else they're out of business! I should know, I'm a pastor. It was easier getting ordained than it was getting a Hubpages account! The Bible is true because it says it true. Spider Man exists because the comic book says he exists.

      1. tlmcgaa70 profile image76
        tlmcgaa70posted 3 years agoin reply to this

        if you are a pastor i feel sorry for your congregation, but then no one is forcing them to listen to you....i can tell you that IF (i do not believe it for a second) you are a pastor, every one you mislead with your false doctrines, causing them to lose out on salvation, their blood will be on you. and no, i do not believe in the truth of the bible because some person told me to...i believe in it because i believe in GOD and HE told me to. i do not expect you to understand this, however. and what you speak of is the very reason, that and churches teach false doctrines, that i quit attending churches and let GOD be my teacher. GOD warned of people like you, you know. trying to deceive HIS flock by disguising yourself as one of them. your true nature will betray you. as CHRIST says..."get thee behind me, satan"!!

        1. Paul Wingert profile image77
          Paul Wingertposted 3 years agoin reply to this

          LMAO! I don't have a congregation. I just got ordained to marry friends and anyone who wants a non religious ceremony. I marry gay couples, will do the ceremony in Klingon for the Start Trek fans, whatever they want as long as it's legal. I also write books teaching kids science - stuff like evolution and the Big Bang (stuff too hard for people like you to grasp) and critical thinking. I teach them to question everything!

          I strongly suggest that if you have voices talking to you, that you seek an intimidate mental examination!

          Satan lol

        2. Doc Young profile image72
          Doc Youngposted 3 years agoin reply to this

          ... shake the dust off ... and move on ... Proverb 26:4 ...

          1. Paul Wingert profile image77
            Paul Wingertposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            You need a religious book to figure that out?

  3. lone77star profile image83
    lone77starposted 3 years ago

    Doc Young, the substance and evidence are non-physical. They are the perfection of confidence which has no room for the corruption of earthly "belief" and feelings of doubt.

    When you reach this rare place, miracles happen. You feel the loving arms of God, you take responsibility for everything happening around you, including those things done by others, and you love them enough to want their wishes fulfilled. You are humble to their needs and have zero self-concern. This is what following Christ is all about.

    This is where spirit becomes more real, more "tangible" than physical matter of even the densest black hole.

    This is the opposite of "wish," for "wish" has a built-in distance which separates the wisher from the enjoyment of the object of desire. With Faith, there is no self-concern to enjoy things for the ego self, but instead enjoyment is something given and shared, as when Jesus walked on water and calmed the storm.

    1. Doc Young profile image72
      Doc Youngposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      ... gonna have to think on that a bit ... it sounds a little metaphysical ... or maybe ... alexandrian libertine ... but the direction has merit ...