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mohamedhmmposted 15 years ago
what happen to the soul after the person is dead?
because many people are confused about soul; and here we let every body know more about soul because we live by soul; and the soul who i am...
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  apekshaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  its true even scientists also tried 2 catch soul in 2 the glass coffin but failed...
  no body knows answer of that ..but there is a natural power who controls these things...
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But God told us; and noone over GOD, and we knew that from HIM; Soul it's the secret of life
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  apekshaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A natural power maybe, but god?
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  apekshaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  so u are agree with my point that there is power behind all this.but nobody has seen god I mean they says heaven and hell but is there any proof of these..
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  apekshaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry,but Have you ever seen God...I agree we experience magiv of nature...but nobody have seen god n so after coming from heaven ..told such things...
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have seen God ,been one with the light and now I share my story.
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  RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What happens to a car when the motor blows up?
  
  The soul is nothing more than the life source of the human body. Just as a motor is to a car.
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  apekshaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  then if u can see motor in car why cant u see soul in body..
  If after accident u find motor broken then have u saw soul in such condition where it goes?
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  RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I was just waiting for a question like that. Have you ever seen a person die? You can see the energy. You can see the light of being alive and the grey cast of being dead. It is very distention. It's very clear to see. One minute your up and running, when that energy {the motor} shoots craps- your dead. The same as with any motor. Oh you can see it if your paying attention. Ask a doctor. They can verify this information. At least I don't think it is a secret.
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The soul is the body. When it is dead it goes back to the ground... decomposed returned back to where it came. The Spirit is something else. It makes you unique.
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  RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Did I miss understand the post? I thought is was about the soul. I do not see the word spirit being raised in communication, except with you- now.
  So Sandra, are you stating a fact based off your belief or concrete evidence? Or are you truly commenting on our posts about the soul?
  
  No ill will. Let me get that clear right now. It seems lately that people are having problems with direct questions these days. So let me reiterate- no ill will. Just wanting clarity.
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Probably so RK, I was making an assumption based on the idea of the question that was asked about the one asking about what happens to a motor when it is dead.
  
  To me it seemed that the question was based on not on what happens to the body as defined as a soul or the spark of life in a person, but the deeper part of human soul, being the parts that make up the individual self that we are attached to.
  
  Possibly, I don't see that people are only attached to their bodies in what happens to it after death because we can plainly see what happens to a body when it is dead.
  
  So my apologies.
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  RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I like to acknowledge this point of view. I think you said it best. Yes I believe that the soul is the "spark" of life.
  
  The spirit is the soul's personality. Or will, that's how I think. I also feel, that that personality is based off of our DNA makeup.
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, actually I also feel that part of the personality is based off our DNA makeup. We inherit personality traits, the fascinating part (to me anyways) is the nature vs. nurture effect.
  
  Meaning (in this context) that we are naturally disposed to our own inherited traits such as temperaments but we can also nurture ourselves to change if perhaps we want to. So I think it is pretty neat.
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  The soul is not equal the body; the soul who made the body alive; the body just material; so when the soul leave the body, the body is dead; and when the soul come back and enter the body; it will become a live....
  we live by soul....
  and no difference between the soul and spirit; they different word for same thing; and sometimes spirit used as a good meaning for inspiration...
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  RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I do not agree with the assessment that the soul and spirit are the same thing.
  Further more, I believe that spirit is the root word for inspiration and that to be the only connection between the two.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The spirit is more our essence, the soul is that which we descend through and the body is what we use as a vehicle.
  
  The Soul is that which is corruptable and it is that which creates the most angst in people. Personality traits are part of the kalaidescope which is the soul. And as Sandra pointed out, it is part genetic - that which is passed by our parents. Corruption comes from our organic environment, the influence of our parents, our society as a whole. This influence is what contaminates something pure.
  
  You will see how a child when born has a presence and is the closest link to a 'Godly' experience or feeling many ever experience. Mothers will tell you that.
  
  It is the Soul that requires attention in order to get back to the Pure core, or spirit. The soul is that 'thing' that is swayed by the four winds. The spirit is the eternal flame.
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  this is depend on how we use the word spirit.
  but we agree; that, the soul is not same as the body.
  but even if we will die; the soul alive in this life; and one day it will come back to the same body- like finger print-; so, every one pay for his/her sins, and if you are good good for you, bad is bad for you.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I personally believe in reincarnation which is where I part company with many on the religious forum - nevermind!
  
  My vision on the mechanism of life-death-rebirth is:
  
  We are all an emanation of the Source (call it God, call it the Force, I personally like the FSM as it covers all bases and I know sense of humor is paramount on this journey)
  
  Without getting too mindy here (cause this is the part that created philosophy in the first place) - We were all 'One with the Source/Force/FSM' At some point we separated (huge context to this event)or became individualized. Could call it a change in consciousness.
  
  But what influences our consciousness? (have to take a wide birth here.) In ancient times it was said to be the Astral realm - stars and all things 'out there' Stars and Planets have an energetic influence. This can be experienced if you are an avid stargazer. The word tune in is another way of saying - sense it, see it, feel it. If you are sensitive enough you can feel different flavors. Hope you're still open minded here?
  
  In the work of Rudolph Steiner, for eg, and in line with ancient philosophers - Plato etc., it is said the influence of the stars is what animates us. The word zodiac has connections with 'zoo', and you will notice that the constellations are named mainly after animals! Humans align with the animal kingdom in many actions as you may have noticed.
  
  In ancient times the ability to feel and discern was much much greater than it is now. But to cut a long story short, this energetic influence becomes a cloak for us to wear while meandering down here. If you look at the study of astrology, planetary forces are made up of positive and negative traits. This bodes with the idea of a polarity as well. In Western Esoteric writings, the Soul is equated with the Astral Body. The Astral Body is the influence of Stars and Planets.
  
  When you separate Soul from Spirit - it's easy to see the mechanism of being incarnated - don't look at this from a human geographical standpoint here. Think non-physical. We are in essence Spirit - a pure essence of the Force. In order to experience the human condition (don't know who's idea that was!), we needed an arena - the Soul is what we 'put on.'
  
  Because of the corruptable nature of the soul (remember we have access to the positive and negative traits) it is not hard to see how far we have fallen from grace. We are less in touch with our essence and now identify ourselves with the cloak - the soul.
  
  It is the soul that needs to be purified, transformed in order to reunite with the spirit. Some say that it only takes one life to do this. You are born, you experience life, you die and go back to spirit. I don't agree with this - though I wish it were true to me, makes it easier. Our spirit is gunked with the stuff of the soul. The Astral influence has become so corrupt that we are having trouble as a whole finding balance and rising above or out it. Experientially, most people will understand that it's easier to see the negative in ourselves than the positive.
  
  It is the corrupted soul that keeps us earthbound and in a cycle of birth-death-and rebirth. Meditation is the modality many use in order to find the Spirit, first they have to wade through the gunk.
  
  The soul is smothering the spirit - boy isn't that easy to see. We are NOT our soul, but we are dramatically influenced by it, so much so we only identify with that and not the true essence of ourselves.
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  Reincarnation is just philosophy; and there are many differences' view; but it means literally "to be made flesh again" or ' rebirth"
  and do not actually present strong view about the soul.
  and the concept of reincarnation could has many definition depend on tradition, belief, science, and religion.
  'Belief in reincarnation has ancient roots. This doctrine is a central tenet within the majority of Indian religious traditions, such as Hinduism. " (From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
  but i could give you the real reincarnation as following:
  when the soul leave our body; the body became dead; but, the soul is still alive never die, and it will be flying around until come back again to the body again when the judgment day would come; then, we have another life; which, actually we rewarded for what we did in the first life or get punishment for what we did in the first life.
  and i think this reincarnation make more sense.
  
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Here these words souls and spirit can get confusing.
  You can use soul as well as spirit for the energy in you and you can use the word spirit as the holy spirit signifying god or all souls together no seperation-One..
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  My injector, the Qu'ran says that the soul will be alive again at the resurrection in Paradise or Heaven, or however you believe it to be. It is the body, the soul that rise again.
  
  Let me ask you out of good discussion, nothing of ill will because I am not against you in anyway. My question is, how would you know that you have again risen in the same soul after death if it were not for the spirit?
  
  Given what you said about the spirit used as a good meaning for inspiration, what has inspired the soul?
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  sorry; but koran never said the soul would be dead; and also the soul=spirit; and also our body alive by soul; and we are just body dead without the soul...
  
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  apekshaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  see what that sandra rinck saying body is soul...
  hates off to her....
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  RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Did he just flip-flop on his verdict? I know the spirit=soul thing was the same, but then he writes, "and we are just body dead w/out soul..." Okay. Glad you've seen the light.
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  i mean; we are just dead body without the soul
  
  as i said we are alive by the soul
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  RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, the same as that of a running motor.
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  yes, i think you are getting better understanding...
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  RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, agreed.
  
  Now tell us if you will, why do you think that the soul and spirit equal the same meaning? I'd like to have a better understanding.
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  that's good; we are agree now the soul not same as the body.
  ok; first tell me from your side; what's the difference between the soul and the spirit; if you see any difference?
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  RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The soul is the "spark" of life. It can be seen. It is the life pulse/engine of a human.
  
  The spirit is the soul's personality, created by ancestral DNA.
  
  All alive people have a soul. Not all souls have spirit.
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  DNA doesn't have nothing to do with the soul or spirit; spirit is just another name for the soul.
  sometimes we use the word spirit as energize thing for us.
  DNA is just bio chemical material; it's our characters finger print..
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  RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I get it that YOU think the spirit is another name for soul. WHY?
  
  I don't need you to tell me I'm wrong. I'm not. I firmly believe this. Viewing upon it that way, I could say your an idiot. But rather I prefer to gain a better understanding your perspective. By the way, each "spirit" is just as unique as each DNA configured fingerprint.
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think from the perspective of Muslims is that a division between spirit and soul is a bad concept. In that (correct me where I am wrong Mohamed) anything separate from Allah is dead. So the combination of the soul being, the body and spirit is that after the resurrection both will still be one working unit. No such thing as the spirit being separate from the soul because it was created together.
  
  At least this is what I am picking up from the conversation.
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  RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, just the same as an alive human is born with a brain.
  
  No brain- brain dead. Doesn't mean the soul is the same as the brain or vice versa.
  
  A brain is a brain.
  
  A soul is a soul.
  
  A finger is a finger.
  
  A spirit is a spirit.
  
  I think a spirit and souls are two different things. I've given my frank reasons.
  
  I was just looking for theirs. Thanks Sandra. I give up. I've spent way entirely too much time on this. But thank you.
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Let me put it this way. When a prophet died, what happened to his soul? It was dead and gone nothing remained of him but to us remained their spirit. If they were at all completely dead without their soul then why do you remember them?
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  the soul is good by our doing good work and good deeds; and then you could say, we could have high spirit or good soul; because we feel good about what we did.
  and also, the soul is bad by our bad work, and sins; then, you could say the person has a low spirit or bad soul...
  what we do in this life it's the matter for our soul to be good or bad
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  if you read bible or Koran you could understand that:
  we are dead only when the soul leave our body; the body dead; but the soul alive still around us even we couldn't see it it's there happy or sad depend on our work in life.
  the good soul is happy around,
  the bad soul is suffering,
  and the soul will come back to the body by God power again; when the time of judgment day would come; so, we go to the Paradise or hell; and the both would be full of people.
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Really it is fine Mohamed. I understand what the Qu'ran says. However I was trying to offer you some perspective on the attributes of the spirit.
  
  Whether we are only a soul or not, there are things that define us as individuals and this is something I equate to the spirit.
  
  Your whole entire make up is your soul, every spirit you have remains in your soul. When you die everything in your soul dies as well. This I understand but I think we got off track in understanding each other due to cultural differences.
  
  It's not a big deal. Peace to you.
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  i do not think we have same view about soul.
  at all; it's just a forum; and not necessary to agree with me or agree with you.
  i just express my understanding; and you did the same.
  i think, i am right; but may be you.
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think we do either. but your are right. we don't have to agree with each other but it is nice to be in a civil discussion for a change.
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  apekshaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The soul is the body. When it is dead it goes back to the ground... decomposed returned back to where it came. The Spirit is something else. It makes you unique.??????????????????????????????/
  
  who told you this?
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The soul is not the body. The body is an organic structure in which consciousness is held and acted out. The Soul animates the body - with personality, emotions etc.
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  we agree about the body; it's just material.
  but the soul it's the power that make our body alive; the soul it's like energy or electric; you couldn't see the electric in the wires but you knew there is electric there...
  is this clear?
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It is clear how you say it, but I don't totally agree with it. The soul helps animate the body, it's our thoughts and emotions. Thoughts are generally responses from something that stimulates. But it's not necessarily the fuel. When you dissect the process of thought, feeling, stimuli, organic responses - there is a meeting of the soul with the organic and within this mechanism is the charge, or fuel for the body.
  
  If you go inside yourself, you can have the experience of the mechanism. It's hard to pass this information and make it clear. Sorry for that.
  
  It's easy to see how the body is the conduit for thoughts though. Thoughts don't start in the brain, they come from outside the body. When you experience this (by slowing down thought through meditation) you can tangibly feel the effects of thought as a fluid non-physical, but a fluid dimensional substance, falling onto the brain surface. It's very tangible, just takes practice. This is how you can prove to yourself that something non-physical is at play. Once you see this, feel this, know this, standpoint changes. It's indisputable to one who experiences this.
  
  But if you wanted to make the process really simple (yet not specifically accurate), your statement would be on the mark. The soul animates the organic body.
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  streetfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Doesn't the soul go to sleep until the trumpet blows
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mohamedhmmposted 15 years ago
The soul who I am; and God told us in Koran- The last holly book for Muslims- that we die when the soul leave the body; and then, the soul is alive but it could be happy if the person was good in his life or it could be in pain and suffering if the person was bad in his life.
we are alive by soul; only you are dead by the body only;so, watch out what do you do in this life; it's just short trip for our real life after the soul leave the body...
and this is so clear in the last holly book from our God.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have a better reason for good behaviour in this life. It is the only life your gonna get!
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you wish; you will meet God if you like or not... think about it
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No you think about it, your the one who believes it.
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  THE SOUR MANposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Personally, if I ever get a chance to meet your god (wich I doubt)I will certainly seize the oportunity to tell him my deepest toughts ,and I'm not shure he's gonna like it.But that's allright because I've got Darwin ,Einstein,Nietsche and a couple of more guys backing up from behind.
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  At all God promise those who denied God and his signs, lessons, verses,messages, prophets; then, they shall be driven to the hell; and all disbelievers will be never successful.
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  apekshaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree that we should spend meaningful life inmost from aur soul n not only body..but No body seen God ...
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The prophet "moses" talked to GOD; and the last prophet of this nation "Muhammad" did saw God in His kingdom and Talked to him; and this is one miracle did happened to Him and mentioned in Koran and God swear by it it's real meeting with God; and it's a great meeting for Islam as God gave the prophet Muhammad the five prayer....and you could read more about it if you like; and there are many lessons you could learn from it...
  God near from us, and we could see his power in our life; and we will meet him and see him more clear for us than the sun in the sky...
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  apekshaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i agree that we feel god's power but is there any scientific proof behind that as u said mohommad saw god
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You haven't gone beyond so you don't know.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Buddhists call this moment as Death Point and is considered the most crucial time for the human.This is when your soul leaves your body and it totally depends on your thoughts at that moment of time.If you are thinking God you will go back home to Allah or God,if you are thinking of anything else you will materialize yourself again in order to complete those desires.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Bollocks! That is what you believe it is not the truth, it is only your truth.
  "Life is your own myth live it as you see it"
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i agree with you in this...
  
  Buddhists not really from God like Christianity or Islam, it's a way of life for a good man; and instead they learn from him and just follow him, people after him worshiped him as God; but, they did same the Christians did with the lord Jesus and equal him to God...
  and that's the reason God sent the last message after all of these to Guide us to his way..
  and again the soul is us, and simply if you are sleeping and have a bad dream, you feel relief it's not in real life; but, you experience it like real; then, if you have a happy dream you wish it's real and you wish more of it...
  we are alive by soul...
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Buddha got enlightened and because of this you have the religion Buddhism.He fused with god ,just like Jesus or Mohammad or any of the other prophets .
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  apekshaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ya Buddhism is nice thing and different..
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Apeksha all religions are identical.They teach meditation and that man has god within him .You can connect with god in you and its a state of absolute bliss. Love so pure and unconditional. : )
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  apekshaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But there is no colours of war in Buddhism so I said..People with that religion are very loving and caring to their relatives...
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  True they are not a war like religion.This happens once you understand your prophet or religion teaches you love for all .
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  While we are being reasonable I like some things about Buddhism too, and think the ten commandments were pretty advanced thinking for the time as well. I also like some of the teachings as I read them and understand them from any of the few religions I have studied.I still do not see how anyone could not see that the biblical god is a psychological road map of the human condition, complete with the shadow aspect, and in this way is no different to the Greek gods who were like the god of the Bible and Quoran and felt the ego based need to be worshiped and obeyed.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  All masters have left behind a road map .You need to walk that path and gain your own salvation.Find god for yourself .
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have found meaning not god.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You will find god or rather he will find you like it happened with me.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry to disillusion, but I have been there, done that, and now for the last many years follow the path of individuation. In a post Jungian world we can recognize and accept being human with morals, ethics and empathy built outside the constraints of a bullying entity.
  Conscience, decency and morality are not the realms of religion and the state should remove itself from religious piety.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Religions are good ,the problem is they should unite understanding the oneness in all rather than fight with each other saying his or her religion is the best.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Will you address my long standing statement that the god of the bible and the Quoran is a bully? As I said, how can you read and not see the crazy position of a spoilt brat god who egotistically demands obedience and kills when not obeyed?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He is all powerful that there is no doubt about it.
  
  "God guides us all the time,
  In not paying attention there will be a fine."
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  My understanding ofreal power is that it does not threaten.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It corrects and teaches.Believe me God is THE power ,all powers in this universe come from him.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What about the threats?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Quote and I will try and explain.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I would not dare! I have no bible in my home any more, and my memory would not be accurate. I thought you would know hundreds of them, and accept that threats of inundating the land with flood, famine, pestilence, rivers of blood, hell and damnation, fire and brimstone, death, and being called an abomination would be sufficient to raise a few questions. Tell you what, if you really need examples to answer the question I will seek out a bible or quoran to make the point.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do that and I will try and answer.
  
  Have written this couple in poem "Mother Earth"
  
  "From our puny race she will defend herself,
  You are just begging her to annihilate yourself. "
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You need to learn.
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  apekshaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Have you experienced that thing?
  Any scientific reason?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I have experienced .Was in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean and entered into a state of samadhi or got enlightened .
  No scientific reason. Beyond ant tangible prooof.
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  daeemominposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Holy Quran is not only for Muslims. It is a common property of the whole mankind just like air and water....
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yip, When Jesus asked who will help him do Allah's will, the disciples said we serve Allah, we believe in Allah... make us part of yours and let them know we are Muslims.
  
  -I know this is not a direct quote but it is something like this.
  
  Also it says that Christians and Jews and another sect. are acceptable as well.
  
  that is us we should have no fear or grief because we are of faith and knowing that we are all of God, we should say to each other, let us be together. - I love that!
  
  Also whatever differences their are concerning Jesus, it will be Allah who will clear it up but that we shouldn't be worried about this because Allah knows everything, what is in our hearts, why we do what we do etc...
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  apekshaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do u know mohommad the actual facts are differnt but after so many years people diverts from the basic masiha's work and then publishes magic things infrnt of us to earn money from books,...so kuran I have respect in my mind but dont indulge yourself in such non scintific things please ...think with your own power..is it possible?
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  apekshaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There is no allah no jesus its all about a single natural power and we call those all but with different names
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  apekshaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ya its common for all but capture only good things from that and please if you are mentioning religious books here then you all are making all this world religious and so yourself..
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Jewelsposted 15 years ago
The soul equates to the psyche and is the seat of emotions, passions and lower rational faculties. Ancient Greek literature gives this interpretation as does the teachings of Rudolph Steiner.

The Soul, our thoughts and emotions is the known state of consciousness.

There are states of consciousness beyond this however, to be aware of those states becomes fanciful unless you practice and are aware.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So true."The road least travelled"
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Jewelsposted 15 years ago
Ernest - guess who's done some travelling?

The Death Point referred to above is similar to falling asleep where our consciousness leaves our body. While our body rests in a bed (usual mode of resting) our consciousness is not numb but turned toward the non-physical world. You could say the Soul turns toward a non-physical world. At death the separation is permanent. During sleep their is still a link. But think about it, if our consciousness stayed in the biped, how would our body rest and revive?

The experience of having consciousness during sleep is called astral travelling. A person's consciousness leaves the body and becomes conscious that the physical body is in the bed. The experience is very tangible. Proving it however, can only be done by many people having the same experience. And for those who have never had it, it remains a vague concept.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Astral_Travelli … ual_seeker
The above link may give more info on the experience.

The practice of astral travelling, or retaining a state of consciousness in the sleep state is usually done by spiritual initiates in preparation for death. Retaining consciousness in the sleep state is understood to be the same or similar at death. There is a practice called Yoga Nidra that helps prepare the initiate for retaining consciousness. At best astral travelling is achieved, at worse you get a very restful and deep sleep.

The state of consciousness at death is important to an initiate, or to anyone if you understand, or believe, that there are many states of consciousness to traverse in, and many layers and levels in spiritual worlds. A person who has spent hours and hours, days and days meditating will have had experiences of different realms. It's not fanciful, it's experiential. Cognizing different states takes discipline and careful discernment.

The Soul, or the lower mind can be a cesspool of horrid spaces, it can also be filled with beautiful and peaceful states. It is understood that at the time of death it pays to be in a good state of mind as it helps during the afterlife wanderings. The mind or Soul is a consciousness. The body is an organic receptacle for this consciousness. The body rots, the mind is what continues.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Fascinating jewel. yes I have traveled myself. I have also spent some time in dream therapy (6 years) with a Jungian shrink who was fantastic.The hardest discipline I have found is not in finding conscious states, but in looking at the self consciously.It is terrifying to look at the self!
  I believe in the process of individuation and so travel a long and difficult road willingly, the religiosity of my soul employed on this task, and not in the pursuit of religious entities. I am happy.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It is the hardest road anyone will travel. I found this verse 2 years into commencing that "individualisation" and owning the good bad and ugly of my own cesspool.
  "An honest introspection, the exquisitely painful approach to Wisdom, Self-scrutiny,
  relentless observance of one's thoughts, is a stark and shattering experience.
  
  It pulverises the stoutest ego. But true self-analysis mathematically operates to produce seers. The way of 'Self-expression', individual acknowledgments, results in egotists, sure of the right to their private interpretations of God and the Universe.
  
  Man can understand no eternal verity until he has freed himself from pretensions. The human mind, bared to a centuried slime, is teeming with the repulsive life of countless world-delusions.
  
  Struggles of the battlefield pale into insignificance here, when man first contends with inner enemies!"
  
  (Autobiography of a Yogi)
  
  This gave me strength and hope, knowing I was on the road less travelled and this was an acknowledgment of how it felt being on it.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think you are very smart to consider the self as the source of your power. it is all within us, and one day soon science is going to lift a few lids off the psych and allow us to look deeper within ourselves.
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Jewelsposted 15 years ago
The willingness for introspection is paramount (my belief and understanding) to happiness. Spewing proverbs has nothing behind it and introspection and ownership and the pursuit of truth seems to be the one major element missing for many on a journey back to the 'God' in each of us.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  beautifully put jewel.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ramen.
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Jewelsposted 15 years ago
Nice of you to say that earnest. Sometimes I feel very weak sloshing through the mud. Owning my good bits seems to be harder than owning the bad! Go figure. But I know it's the right road for me.
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Jewelsposted 15 years ago
That looks like a wide deviation from the question. mohitmisra I'm confused at the point you are trying to make in answer to ernest's question.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Mother Earth can be equated with God.
  Science is also saying that now we will witness floods and other catastrophe simply because we are not doing the right thing.We have been raping this planet and will have to face the consequences of our actions.
  Put up a quote and I will try and explain its meaning.
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  apekshaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jewel he is tring 2 tell u about power on earth..as u say god ..
  there is a power who controls floods , wind directions etc...
  nothing else
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I wasn't asking a question. Your responses are quite nebulous (Neptunian in astrology language) it must be the poet in you and not the teacher!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Poets are the teachers and like Guru Nanak said you need to be in a similar vibration in order to understand me.
  
  The question was threats in the holy books written thousands of years back about floods and other calamities.Today man is beginning to perceive that these threats are not imaginative but a reality.This earth is alive with the essence of god and there is a limit to her tolerance.
  Again I repeat we are in the dimension of hell ,a dimension of pain where no one is spared ,not the emperor and neither the sage.
  
  You cannot take some things literally in spirituality or you loose the meaning.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  As a teacher, using your poetry may not be passing a great deal. I'm not sure what your level is and I'm not being lured to go there which one would assume would happen if it is passed from the heart. I am very aware that words to describe spiritual spaces are extremely limiting and much is lost in translation because of our limiting language. There is a body of work by Dr Samuel Sagan called A Language to Map Consciousness. The man is fluent in Sanskrit and passes quite well the meaning of states. However, speaking and quoting Sanskrit does not help a Christian because it's like speaking French to Zulus. So if you make a statement in Sanskrit, perhaps further explanation of its meaning would help readers, who may or may not bother to google it.
  
  Teachers often pass knowledge through myths and not through poetry. Poetry is often a personal meaning to something personal and much can be lost in translation because trying to get into an artists mind is sometimes undesirable. Often passing teachings through poetry doesn't pass anything except a troubled emotional mind. It is something to be aware of if you are trying to pass a belief you have.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ranked over editions of the Holy Bible and Holy Quran if I am not a messenger of God or a teacher of the spirit then neither was Jesus or Mohammad.There is no one on this planet right now more qualified than me where it concerns God and its high time you undertsood.
  
  A poetry book on God is considerd a mental excercise of the highest order possible and carried out only by the enlightened ones.The most condensed form of philosophy where the job of the poet is to think highly and express himself for the commmon man.He becomes a vehicle for God and thats when poetry happens.
  
  The Bible to the Quran to the Bhagwat Gita to the Holy Guru Granth Sahib are considered as poetry. The first recorded prophet Zaratushtra as well the the last ,Guru Nank were both spiritual poets.Poets are the prophets.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Wow, so it's high time I understood you to be THE MOST QUALIFIED person on this planet to speak words from God. You didn't put a smiley after that statement so I'm guessing you are serious!
  
  That is the most pompous statement I've heard in a long time. It borders delusional. Like you say in your own words - souls and spirits can get confusing, they sure can. But goodluck with your perceptions.
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  i just must agree with you in this; some souls get so confused to be bad souls; and this is approve my theory about bad soul; and good soul; so every bad soul should pay soon for its ignorance for the divine power and the main purpose and the reason for its existence...
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are the authority on god? LMAO! Arrogance personified.I think even the god-botherers will leave this rancid post now!
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  you are another approve for my theory about bad soul; you approved this at least for me...
  thank you..
  
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What are you trying to say?
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  man /woman soul; the soul could be out of control; and out of rules; and may be could deny any divine power except its existence; and this could lead the soul to be bad soul; and it would be in pain and suffering hereafter; then when it would come back to the body-at judgment day-; then, the man/woman should get the consequences for the ignorance in the first life-this life- and for denying God in our life.
  
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If that is a threat to the ignorant it is baseless. It does not allow for illiteracy, thus making illiteracy a sin. Maybe you are god, that sounds like crazy stuff! All worship the incarnate FSM.
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  So what do you think could happen to you and your soul after you would die?
  you think you would be safe from God?
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Safe from the flying spaghetti monster? Sure.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  God is going back home .Its where your soul has come from and where it will eventually go.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  My book "Ponder Awhile" is ranked over Holy Bibles and Holy Qurans- what does that mean to you?
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Megalomania perhaps?
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  just to help you brother; already we have more than one holly book in our home; but, i do not think anyone would buy your book twice...
  but, how many now follow you?!
  
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No one has put god across with the simplicity and clarity that I have.Have many Muslim followers who place my book along with the Holy Quran. . Teach oneness and tolerance between religions.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am gobsmacked by you talking tolerance!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Meditate in order to understand.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  As I have said on the other forum, meditation has not lead to a belief in your god
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And it's not the main intention of meditation. Meditation leads you to your Self, the essence of you and you find the I AM. It is found in stillness, in centredness. It leads you away from belief in anything external. It then becomes unnecessary to speak of a God, because you are in tune with the Force that is. This is an experience and is not relayable through any book, be it the Quoran, the Bible or Mr enlightened ones's book of poetry.
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mohamedhmmposted 15 years ago
The prophet "moses" talked to GOD; and the last prophet of this nation "Muhammad" did saw God in His kingdom and Talked to him; and this is one miracle did happened to Him and mentioned in Koran and God swear by it it's real meeting with God; and it's a great meeting for Islam as God gave the prophet Muhammad the five prayer....and you could read more about it if you like; and there are many lessons you could learn from it...
God near from us, and we could see his power in our life; and we will meet him and see him more clear for us than the sun in the sky...
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Naming gods could take all day. The religious myth you follow is harder to swallow than you are likely to see. All your thinking is filtered through your basic fundamentalist belief in the tooth fairy.
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  my brother; it's the light without a doubt; it's same light from Adam- our father- ,.., to Moses, Jesus, and the last prophet Muhammad.
  and all of this clear; just open your heart and read God books.
  And God Guide us to his way; and i wish our soul happy here and after
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  All the prophets have made contact with God.Its after the contact they start spreading the word that god, the Light exists and it is pure love with no beginning and no end.
  The Prophet Mohammad was very confused initially,that is after seeing the Light which is normal.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
I understand the science as god argument, and it is not a satisfactory one to me.The beginning is just that. I know no more than you about that, except that the time span is a lot different to any religious tomes, and precedes the written word by about 30 billion years.

I still do not understand how you separate threats made by god or by by men in the bible and Quoran or even why it would matter. Are the threats only threats when they come from the prophets? What about threats made in the new testament, or threats against homosexuals as another example.

What about the neurosis of demanding to be worshiped on fear of death? Or the threats made against non believers.What purpose could such a god serve? I know no humans who respond well to threats, why deify an entity that makes these type of low brow appeals?
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  Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  With you on that one - whilst I believe in a God, I tend to see it as an impersonal universal force rather than some anthropomorphic deity prone to hissy fits and a little genocide.
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  aka-djposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What IS such a "force" like? I hear this from a lot of people, but have difficulty conceptualizing it.
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  Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Conceptualizing is difficult - if I could do that, I would probably be living in a cave somewhere.
  
  Turning it around, I believe that imbuing 'God' with human characteristics and emotions is overly simplistic. I am often reluctant to use the term 'God,' because it has too many connotations of an old guy with a beard
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  aka-djposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Old guy with a beard, huh? Must have been one of those religious painters who painted "his personal imaginary invisible being" that he just made up. (I am trying to use common HP terminology here).
  I see Him no more like that than angels as little fat babies with harps, or bows and arrows.
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  Paragliderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Now now - these are the Cherubim. Everyone knows that! Angels look like the young Bardot with swan-wings attached...
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  apekshaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Soul--- angels---from subject religion..whats this...
  Have you ever any angel with your own eyes?
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  Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol - that one was a little tongue in cheek
  
  Seriously though, Pam and Jewels put it far better than I could ever hope to. Creative expression was never my strongest talent
  
  I have trouble accepting that 'God' has a personality, as depicted in the old testament. Of course, we all see things differently - just my personal take on the matter.
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I like the metaphor of God as light imbued with infinite intelligence and love.
  
  I've thought about this a lot actually, because sometimes you can actually see 'light' in people's eyes and around their faces. (I can, anyway, and other people have seen this too.) Religious iconography represents this as a halo. So it's not just Pam popping off about New Age crapola, it's a phenomenon of some sort--psychological perhaps, I just don't know.
  
  But here's the weird thing: (as if what I'm already saying here isn't weird enough) Really evil people sometimes ALSO have the quality of bright light emanating from their eyes or faces. Charles Manson is a good example of a person like that. He's positively luminous, but not in a good way.
  
  I have no answers. Just wacko observations.
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  aka-djposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just on that thought (light), have you ever seen a dead body? They look the "same" as before, (alive I mean), but there is a very different colour to them. It's like there was a "light" eminating from them before they died, and then it's gone.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am with you there.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  These threats try and wake up man from his leep or dream like state.
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Jewelsposted 15 years ago
I never see God as a guy with a beard. I've been posting to a hub "Who is God" and my reason for posting is because by saying WHO is making God personal. A force for me is much easier to conceptualize, though difficult to put into adjectives.

The force is what fuel's me. The force is what gets me out of bed. The force is what I FEEL. It is tangible, but more tangible when I am in my truth than succumbing to emotional turmoil.

The force doesn't judge. It just IS.

When I consciously use the force I am beautiful and feel like I'm in love. It is a transpersonal love, not the limiting human kind. I love pizza is not the same as this love!

The force is hot, it's vibrant, it's buoyant, it's intense, it burns if I can't hold it.

The force does not have arms and legs, but when I see someone using the force I see beyond their arms and legs.

These are a few limiting descriptions of something enormous and I've not done justice to it.
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mohamedhmmposted 15 years ago

And the spirit could use to express the level of the soul as high or low; so, spirit used mostly as description for the soul.

example:

we say high spirit for any good soul; and you could see the person active and happy.

and we say" low spirit" when the soul is bad; and you could see the person feel down and lazy; and so on.

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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The ideal is to come from the standpoint of the spirit, to be more 'divine' in our dealings with all. The 'Road Less Travelled" is for those who deal with their crap - or the fallen corruptness of their soul. We are all essentially looking for our spirit - that which is not fallen and that which is pure love and the Force and the FSM.
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  let's go with you:
  just answer these questions?
  when you could reincarnate again? before death or after death?
  what's the purpose of reincarnation?
  what's the divine power?
  ans how the spirit is divine?
  does the spirit or the soul exist in our life or not?
  within your reincanation belief, is any difference between good people and bad people; or all people same?
  
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Jewelsposted 15 years ago
The 'punishment' is not literal. In effect means you reincarnate again to transform. Judgment is a reflective process. That which is not pure or as pure as the Force, is a 'fallen' or lesser standpoint, or state of consciousness.
Saying the "real incarnation" is somewhat arrogant. It matters not what I say or you say, it matters what people experience.

Not a great deal makes sense from the lower state of consciousness, that's why we have these forums!
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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
If you're bad, you come back as a dung beetle
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  cheaptrickposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  dung beetles are'nt so bad,my best friend is a dung beetle...peace...feed your head...
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Jewelsposted 15 years ago
Mohamedhmm said
et's go with you:
just answer these questions?
when you could reincarnate again? before death or after death?

You have question marks where there is no question. I assume they are questions to yourself?

Mohamedhmm asked: what's the purpose of reincarnation?
I can't answer the why? No-one has that answer.
But the mechanism bodes with the transformation and a return to the Source.

You asked: what's the divine power?

I answered this in another forum - please refer to page 4 of this thread.

This divineness is in us all. It's a State, a state of Being. It is not something that is DONE to us, it is something we aspire to re-discover within us.

You asked: ans how the spirit is divine?

the spirit is a direct emanation from the Force/Source/FSM. It is the unfallen substance that is 'I AM'

You asked: does the spirit or the soul exist in our life or not?

Yes, the spirit is within us. It appears to remain dormant until our consciousness acknowledges our existence. This is knowledge in it's truest form. Not learned information, but that which is an experience.
The Soul - of course. If you didn't have a soul we would not be having this conversation.

You asked: within your reincanation belief, is any difference between good people and bad people; or all people same?

As I mentioned before there is a positive and negative polarity to the Astral Body - or Soul. Within everyone is Spirit. People are not the same. People react differently to their environment. There would be only one way to make the statement "All people are the same" and that's a much higher standpoint than this one we are having this conversation from.

My parents are different to yours, my social upbringing was different from yours, my geographical landscape is different to yours, I most likely eat differently to you. My responses/reactions are different to you. Everyone experiences the same emotions, but they are triggered by different circumstances and react or respond differently.
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  cheaptrickposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  we have six billion people on this planet pointing at the same god,source,devineness or what ever word you like.why are we debating instead of encouraging?a deli lahma said"men are like rivers,they start at the same place and end at the same place but all take different paths".good life on your journey...peace...feed your head...
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We have a lot of the world living on a six thousand year old planet worshiping an invisible friend who will kill them if they do not agree with him/it too!
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We certainly do, which shows how far we have fallen from a state of Grace. The corruptible soul is in need of huge resuscitation. We are doing a terrible job at transformation. And the church's have not helped. We are more separate now than ever before. This is a sad thing in my book. But I can't transform anyone but myself. As you yourself have understood in your own life experiences, self introspection is paramount however that comes about. If we keep looking outward for something or someone to fix our terrible behavior, our corrupted souls, we will stay this way and decay further. We can only save ourselves. We were given freewill for this very purpose.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The answer lies within us as does any idea of god. Religiosity of soul, a bit that needs a lot more of my time. Like you, I am taking responsibility for my soul.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Absolutely, we're on the same page.
  
  The soul is the psyche. Isn't it amazing we have more psychologists and psychiatrists than ever before!
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes it is. I wish our government would provide more psych help for prisoners. Many are incarcerated with obvious mental illness in my country despite our modern democracy.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with this ernestshub. I really would like to see meditation and similar available in the prison system. And before anyone thinks this is the soft way, it is far from it. IN the beginning, meditation is one of the most uncomfortable experiences one can have. I'm not talking relaxation, I'm talking the real deal. Self retrospection can be a horrid experience. It is the road less travelled.
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  cheaptrickposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  did you read the original version of the hebrew bible in the greek?psyche is the exact translation of soul.we all understand that words evolve in meaning.a hundred years ago a fagot was a bundle of sticks for starting a fire.it has evolved to the abusive meaning it has today,how much more will it evolve in a thousand or two or three thousand years.my point is,if we want to really understand the ancients we must understand the original meaning and context of there words,then they will be perfectly clear.in the mean time we have television evangelists to guide us,thank god lol...peace...
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  Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, don't buy a thing the evangelists say. To me they are so dogmatic, they'll lead their people in the unintended direction. Just my opinion...you have yours.
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  cheaptrickposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  if we look at the progression of spirituality on a continuam its clear that the earth its self is in the process of becoming concious,an entity, a being,in the throws of birth.the contribution of each healthy soul adds to the wholeness or "holyness" of this being.it is arrogant to assume we live our silly eighty years then take a quantum leap to the highest level lol.i prefer to see this planet as an amusment park.quantum mecanics has taught me its ninty percent space anyway,so you see we are not really hear in a physical sense,its just an illusion lol...peace...
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have to agree with this. I often say to friends "It's your myth, you live it."
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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
what do you know about humor?
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Freddy the frog could teach you.
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  sir; this is not acceptable at all
  if you do not respect the rules; i will report you..
  you are welcome within the rules and respect
  there are rules; and if you do not know ; ask and we will let you know...
  i hope it's clear
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nothing I have said is reportable unless you have mis-construed something.
  On the other hand maybe being homophobic is against the rules? By the way writing in red may also be against the rules, it is certainly rude in this context.
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  may be we do not agree with each others but she had good points;
  and i wish you have same as her; it's about opinion, and ideas ..
  please if you do not have nothing to add; do not bother
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You offer no opinion, just dogma.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think the response was in regard to the humor and not my info on the soul.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh I see, thank you.
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cheaptrickposted 15 years ago
in the book of mary magdalin she asks christ where visions come from,his reply..."you have your spirit and you have your soul,between the two is the mind,there lies the treasure".i suspect the spirit is eternal,a sliver of the true unknowable god.the soul is shaped by the mind.the mind is directed by free will.if the soul is whole or"holy" at death it continues on,if not it is recycled.to be whole in the truest sense we must expierience all things but be mastered by none,that would be a sin because it keeps us from our purpose of building our souls...peace...feed your head...
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't have too much trouble with this idea, but to me, sin implies something I do not believe in. To sin, one needs to recognize sin. I do not.
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  cheaptrickposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  in my opinion sin is anything that draws us away from the task at hand which is soul building,that is why meditation and contemplation are so important.they help the mind shed the influences of the physical plane so we can enter into understanding as a state of mind without a subject.for me this allows an opening to connect with the collective uncontious mind and inductive thinking.in other words"the kingdom of heaven is within you"...peace...
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  OK that sounds fair enough.I have trouble with the word "sin" when it implies something else, which is in pretty common useage on this forum.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nice.
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  I agree with this.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I like the way this is phrased. You quote "we must experience all things but be mastered by none." This is a reference to awareness and awakening. Mastery is transformation where you are not caught in the cycle of death and rebirth because of ignorance. All reactions and responses are conscious and by choice. But the ability to have freewill is to see clearly whether you are entwined by the will of others, unconsciously and subconsciously. Asking questions like: "am I doing this because of guilt?" or "am I doing this because I am being told to?" are paramount to understanding freewill. If your truth is tainted by responsibility, or fear, or driven by revenge, or any reasons of grandeur, it is not really freewill.
  
  Integrity is the center line where the spirit is our truth. Our highest achievement as a human species would be to have mastery of our soul and lead by the spirit, which is the emanation of the essence/the Force/the FSM. Nothing but our spirit should lead us.
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DennisBarkerposted 15 years ago
I've just caught up with part of the discussion on the soul.

I have a personal perspective on this topic which I may elaborate on later but for now I wanted to mention a talk which I attended in London a few years ago by Peter Fenwick who is a researcher into near death experiences. His research is ongoing and may shed some light on the topic as it is now being repeated by others on a global level.

As I remember it the research involves hiding an object in an operating room and asking anyone who claims to have had out of body experiences to describe the position and form of what they saw / experienced whilst out of body.

I may add a hub on out of body experiences to my list of things to write about as I have had several in different contexts over the years.

If it is possible to "prove" scientifically with rigorous research that the human consciousness is capable of leaving the physical body and returning then this would be a positive step in my view towards developing a different model of how the personal development of consciousness influences events.

Personal development of consciousness being my long winded way of saying soul development or emotional and intellectual development as it effects relationships between people, governments and empires.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'd love to read your hub on this subject so will watch out for it. Feel free to nudge me when it's done, I'll add you shortly.
  
  Letting you know there is a massive body of work both published and more in progress at the moment by Dr Samuel Sagan on all things to do with consciousness. Includes Death The Great Journey which I recommend to anyone who wants to get a better grasp on non-physical realms. The body of work encompasses more than OBE's, pre death, post death. http://www.clairvision.org/ckb/ckbe/ckb … _0143.html
  
  My first body of knowledge of this subject was through Robert Monroe's books. It's a fascinating and interesting subject.
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Jewelsposted 15 years ago
Cheaptrick, I'm not into the evangelical thing either. Learn from your own experience. This is where truth and real knowledge come from. See for yourself, Know for yourself, it's so much more satisfying.
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SparklingJewelposted 15 years ago
The Soul is the current "big frontier"! There is so much to the soul/Soul that has not been understood by so many on the planet. It is our responsibility to seek that understanding more finitely and infinitely.

It is an exciting time to be alive and seeking, but can also be perceived as a perilous time if not seeking that greater understanding of the S/soul as Self.

I believe Spirit animates Soul. It's not like there is difference, but more like hierarchy, in that Spirit is the All of Source and Soul is the individuation of All in manifestation, each Soul/soul uniquely endowed with the accumulations of her own choices throughout time and space.
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Jewelsposted 15 years ago
It was a shocking and quite naive statement to make. And it's a dangerous state of mind to be in. Cult leaders spew these words and whilst I am not insinuating he is a cult leader, you can see the arrogant and authoritarian flavor to the words.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are the one giving attitude I have told you before super conscious experience is not the same as God experience.You are not qualified to speak about something you don't know .
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I thought jewel was replying to mahamedhmm
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I was
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Mohitmisra, you have no idea who you are talking to. You assume way too much here and I find your patronizing attitude extremely condescending. You do not pass yourself energetically as an enlightened man, and your assumptions convince me that you are not. But that is just my opinion on observing you and your responses over many months. I was willing to hold my tongue and let you be as you wish to be, it is not my job to change you. But you overstepped the mark with your insult. You my fellow human being are the one with attitude.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It is not just your opinion - most people here don't give a damn about Mo's self claimed enlightenment - cause it is obviously not there
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Misha, every now and then Bang right on the money!Sometimes I know English is irksome for you, but your ability to think is not impaired!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Have proved it with my work which you so conveniently tend to overlook. Write get ranked over Holy Bibles and Holy Qurans and I will understand you are enlightened .
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No one here is claiming to be enlightened except you and mohamedhmm.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am and have proved it with my work. How can someone not enlightened write spirituality and god and get ranked so highly?
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You've proved nothing. Perhaps you have a good publicity team.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  May be not to you.You are too great whats the big deal about the Bible and Quran.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The REAL you is now being shown. A person using superconsciousness would not make a babbling statement "You are too great whats the big deal about the Bible and Quran." What are you trying to convey here? I NEVER mentioned the Bible or Quran, and I have NEVER said I am greater than the person standing next to me." I do know that I am not lesser than you. You have proved that without doubt.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You have along way to go and you know it.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes she has, and will be the first to say so, as I would. Apparently you already know all there is to know, no none else does..
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am not arrogant enough to say I am enlightened. I know I have a long way to go, but by contrast perhaps it is you who needs to see how far you need to go. Don't be concerned about my spiritual growth, my spiritual standpoint, or my spiritual experiences. Be concerned about your own. I hope your experiences are not just from your head, that could be a big waste of an incarnation. Be aware!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yet you insist on giving attitude to an enlightened one- why?
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Respect is earned and you have given me no reason to believe you are enlightened. This has gone past it being my 'attitude.'
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You not believing is your ego.You don't know the meaning of enlightened so you are no one to decide who is enlightened and who is not.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We are talking about your spiritual shortcomings. I am taking care of mine. I am truly blessed to have the teacher that I have. You may like to get one yourself.
  
  I want to thank you mohitmisra for participating in this conversation. It has shown me many things. I feel like a wonderful human being now and I honestly know in my heart and mind that I am blessed to have the gift of humbleness and discernment. The teacher in you came out here. It was by contrast I could see how much I have grown and to be very careful about people parading as spiritual teachers on the internet
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Can your teacher get ranked alongside the Bible and Quran?If he can I will seek a teacher for myself.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Once again mohitmisra, enlightenment has nothing to do with book sales. You're getting confused somehow.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Once again only an enlightened one can write and get ranked with the Bible and Quran.An ordinary person like you or Misha cannot.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So now you insult more people.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Whoever says that the person who wrote a book and got ranked over Bibles and Qurans is not enlightened is talking rubbish.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Anyone who feels that writing a book about religion makes them enlightened has missed the mark.You have no idea what I know.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Book on spirituality and religion which gets ranked over the Holy Qurans and Holy Bibles is possible only by an enlightened one, a prophet.You are unable to understand such a fundamental concept.good bye.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You mean fundamentalist concept, and I understand it very well thank you. Here is your god.
  Would you follow this psychopathic god?
  Malachi 4
  The Great Day of the Lord
  
  4*See, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble; the day that comes shall burn them up, says the Lord of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch. 2But for you who revere my name the sun of righteousness shall rise, with healing in its wings. You shall go out leaping like calves from the stall. 3And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the Lord of hosts.
  
  4 Remember the teaching of my servant Moses, the statutes and ordinances that I commanded him at Horeb for all Israel.
  
  5 Lo, I will send you the prophet Elijah before the great and terrible day of the Lord comes. 6He will turn the hearts of parents to their children and the hearts of children to their parents, so that I will not come and strike the land with a curse.*
  
  I rest my case.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Read my book the bible and Quran are too complicated for you to understand god.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I had little trouble reading either book and my understanding is what it is. I have not bothered with reading about your god for many years.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Its only after enlightenment can you comprehend a spiritual book properly and not before.The masterpieces not only give you knowledge of life before enlightenment but even after enlightenment.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  your definition of enlightenment and mine are very different. I do not believe in your hostile god.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  God is within you, its your own hostility.Enlightenment is the same for all.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, your god is an ill informed belligerent invisible entity that is my truth.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Both love god and fear him are true.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What sort of god requires that you fear it? A psychotic god!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No a good god ,one who loves all his children equally .
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And so threatens them with horrible things that he will do to them if they don't believe. What a crock!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Its for your own good.There is a far better dimension for us, the god dimension but if you want to stay here,go ahead no one is stopping or forcing you.
  We are in a dimension of pain and you will not be spared,god is trying to help you and not harm you.
  The kingdom of god is within you, no one including the prophets can take that away from you.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Now we almost agree. My religiosity is indeed within me.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have said it before that every human irrespective of his religion or belief has god in him.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I just do not call my religiosity god.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So what do you call it?
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The religiosity of soul. As a post Jungian I try to individuate by taking personal responsibility for my actions and thoughts, my love and my dark side.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Fair enough.
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  because they are holly books; and they are light from God for good souls; these holly books (Koran , bible..) made nations follow follow one God; and your book, it's just book, may be do not worth the price of the ink.
  do you think your book can compete with that?!
  second: how someone claim he is enlightened man or spirit couldn't read holly book, and see the light of God?
  third: when you read the holly book(bible, Koran) not same like your book; and because you should prepare your soul to see the light of God; or you wouldn't see the light of God or understand the meaning behind this light; that's if you could see it; and you wouldn't see if your soul in the dark side...
  and such this soul wouldn't be happy and safe here or hereafter; just painful life; then, hell...
  and same with all bad souls should taste the pain.
  
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your propensity to write a diatribe instead of answering any questions asked here is hard to understand. Do you think that if you just keep recycling this tripe everyone will join your religion?
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  yes, if you could prepare your soul to see the light to be in high spirit-good soul-; then, this soul should be happy here and hereafter; then, we should be in paradise with people have such good souls as a reward from God for us for doing good deeds, and loving others in our first life...
  
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  OK mohamedhmm, it is becoming obvious that you have not understood anything written here by others.
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  i did, and i got the point for everyone; but, i think, you didn't get my point yet; but i am here.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I do not believe you, you have not replied in context to anyone.
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  already i state my view; and i do not see nothing up to this view; just mind illusion for nonsense ideas that deny the souls existence , God, holly books; just you and your friend who think that he could be more than God; just not worth to make argument with closed mind and blind hearts, again and again; if they are not willing to think; because all what do you have or jewels-fake jewels- just ignorance for our existence as human; by God who the divine power and the reason for all reasons.
  i wish you could understand that? but if you think there is no God? there is no hope for you; and same for jewel...
  
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have been one with God-Allah and will go back home to him when I die,till then I will spread knowledge of the Light-Allah-God-Holy Spirit.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No you will spread ignorance and abuse of others beliefs like god-botherers always do.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If I am spreading non sense then there have been very very few who have ever spread any sense.
  http://find.franklin.com/nav/ca/Spiritu … r/ebooks/0
  1.The Holy Bible
  2.Ponder Awhile-Mohit.K.Misra
  3.Holy Bible
  4.Holy Bible
  last time I am putting this up.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's fine with me.
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  calebdposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's great to finally see what sort of ranking system you were harping on all this while. I'm not on here enough to have seen it before. Really? That is what you're touting?
  
  At the risk of being trite, you realize that's not even sales figures or how popular your book is when compared against religious books. It's only popularity against the few titles Franklin publishers have up for sale. That list you cite is simply a list of books that organization is licensed to sell electronically. You aren't competing against the entirety of religious literature there. Not even close.
  
  Franklin's entire library of titles, most of which consist of SAT prep language learning titles, dictionaries and Bibles, is 52000 books. They're not a measure of popularity, scope or enlightenment. You're dealing with an even smaller pond than 52000 to be fair. Congratulations, you're 2 out of 245 titles from a small electronic publishing house. You're one of the few living authors who has given Franklin the right to publish your work electronically. That's all it means. They sell what they have the rights to sell. That isn't some sort of crazy credit for you. It just means your publisher has gotten you into a system few others in your discipline has bothered to, for whatever reason. Credit your publisher for doing so if you like and adding another avenue for sales but that's about all.
  
  Right, so we're clear, moving on.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Franklin is not my publisher and read my book before talking so much.They are not stupid to rank me so highly and neither are Best Book Buys .Read first only then can you talk right now you don't know what you are saying.
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  calebdposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Franklin are an electronic publisher and distributor. That is what they do. It's prominently stated on their website.
  
  As for your poetry, I've read much better. Seriously, not my thing. Your rhyme scheme is generally pretty obnoxious. It's repetitive and full of cliches. If people want to read it, more power to them. I've read plenty of spiritual poetry. You're no Rilke or Lorca or Agha Shahid Ali. You've a very inflated opinion of your worth if you think you compare.
  
  My point stands. Franklin's site says your book's ranked 2nd out of 245 titles. Glad you have an audience and such but that's not that much. A ranking on an e-publisher's site doesn't account for much. Besides, their ranking methodology is not explained nor are their sales figures public so I can't comment on their wisdom or stupidity. However, relying on this nebulous rank (which you say has nothing to do with sales) is a perversion of reality. You're not competing against the Bible or Quran in the real world, only within Franklin's distributor network. Their site will inform you of this if you don't know already.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  2,939 books in spirituality and Religion.
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  because they are holly books; and they are light from God for good souls; these holly books (Koran , bible..) made nations follow follow one God; and your book, it's just book, may be do not worth the price of the ink.
  do you think your book can compete with that?!
  second: how someone claim he is enlightened man or spirit couldn't read holly book, and see the light of God?
  third: when you read the holly book(bible, Koran) not same like your book; and because you should prepare your soul to see the light of God; or you wouldn't see the light of God or understand the meaning behind this light; that's if you could see it; and you wouldn't see if your soul in the dark side...
  and such this soul wouldn't be happy and safe here or hereafter; just painful life; then, hell...
  and same with all bad souls should taste the pain.
  
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It will not only compete with the Holy Quran but god willing overtake it in all rankings.I have seen the light or god and that's the reason I have become a poet.I share god knowledge the
  same way Mohammad did.The need now is to unite the religions.
  I never denied the Quran is a holy book.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good luck with that!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  you and your book just results of mind illusion, non-sense ideas and misleading view.
  second: Muhammad is the last prophet and he is not a poet; Muhammad have the message of God; and you are having the message of devil; Muhammad is a messenger and leader for all human kind without exception; and you just a little writer without any valuable message or enlightened view.
  The holly books present the light of God and Show us how to be a good person having high spirit of good soul, and peaceful with yourself, life, and God.
  your book is just bad product of bad soul.
  So, you are nothing comparing for our prophet Muhammad; and your book is nothing comparing to the words of God(Holly book), and it promise you and your followers the Hell; and it's so near.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Mohammad is not the last prophet who is expected now and this hold good for all religions and not only Islam.
  Read my book then you will understand till then its only ego for your prophet and religion which makes you talk as such .My book is the word of god.Many including Muslims call me prophet.
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  I think you need update your knowledge and information about God, Holly books, and his prophets; there is no doubts that our prophet Muhammad The last messenger for this nation.
  at all god told us about you and your follower; and both of you the follower of devils; because you are Just a poet nothing more, and God state this about you:" Shall I inform you-people-; upon whom the devils descend?; They descend on every lying, sinful person; Who gives ear to the devils, and most of them are liars; as for the poets, the erring ones follow them; they speak about every subject, praising people and themselves-right or wrong- in their poetry; and they say what they do not do; Except those Who believe in God; and who do wrong will come to know by what overturning they will be overturned."(Surah ashuara, 221-227)
  
  As God said about you and any one deny the judgment day:" For those don't believe in the Hereafter, we have made their deeds fair-seeming to them; so that they wander about blindly"( An-naml, 4)
  
  so people like you; God promise them that they will be greatest loser.
  
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Muslims expect the Mahdi now who will be the last prophet.What if I am Mahdi?
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  agvulpesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  mohitmisra wrote:
  
  Let us all pray that you are not.!
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  agvulpesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So now we have a dissenter , how can this be possible?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  According to you may be but not according to the Muslim philosophy.
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  The main stream of islam, just sunni muslims...
  only shia believe in Mahadi; but it's just shia belief; and i do not how they got this belief and it's not exist in koran.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Mohammad warned about fanaticism. There have been great prophets who have started great religions but today they fight over ego. Now you have masters like Bahá'u'lláh and Guru Nanak who have showed humanity that all religions are equal and that there is only one god.Today the need is to unite these religions and that is what I will do.
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  you are talking about shia; not pure Islam
  there are big difference between shia and islam - sunni belief-; and we are equal in islam no race or color...
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Dont both shias and Sunnis consider themselves as Muslims.
  Hindus expect the prophet who will be born into a Brahman family,will write and unite the religions.
  Parsees expect the twins as the prophets.
  .Christians the return of christ.
  Buddhist expect the Buddha-laughing Buddha-Maetriya.
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  you are right; but if you want to talk about islam as God sent it to us;it's not as shia belif; but, sunni.
  Shia have their special tradition and ideas which they are not from Islam; so, talking about islam from shia side not really same as talking about islam as presented in Koran and as sunni belief.
  it's state in Koran that Muhammad is the last messenger for human kind; and any one doesn't believe in that; will not consider follower of islam.
  Also in the history shia were after our prophet death and they have their own ideas and belief and not in the book of koran.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Mohamedhmm you understand that there is only one god but many others including Christians and Mulsims do not.I have seen the Light-Allah and have now become a poet who is trying to share his god knowledge and that there is only one god and not two or many gods .I have read the Holy Quran and like the Bible the language and style is ancient and very difficult to comprehend and can very easily be misinterpreted.
  
  I have written my poems in very simple English, something a child can understand and an adult can contemplate on.This is something god has asked me to do, I work for Him.
  
  I don't want any followers ( have many fans).I show the similarity in religions and that all religions are good and there is no need to change your religion-tolerance between religions is my aim.
  
  Muhammad will not be the last man to get enlightened and share his knowledge.
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  mohamedhmmposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  Muslims believe in One GOD and all prophets are same like us; and it's one religion; Islam.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is those who understand.Why would some muslims want to convert the entire world to Islam? or some Christians - believe in Jesus he is the only way or else you are doomed, he is the greatest.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe because enough people are aware that elaborate stories about a megalomaniac god told by you do not weigh as much as you believe, stuck as you are in your religious piety.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  May be enough people do understand.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Read the posts.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Misha, nice to see you. I thought that was the case but I didn't want to assume.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your philosophy is twisted and you need to iron it out. You tell a person ranked over Bibles and Qurans that poets are not teachers of the spirit, wow who is condescending.The truth is yo haven't come across the light and so shouldn't behave like a master or rather grand master.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Again you are full of it. As I said, you do not know me. It is because I have experienced much that I can clearly see you are not coming from those spaces. It is by contrast that I can see what you are not. I have never FELT anything coming from the words you speak. They are stilted and don't pass anything. Do you understand what passing a space is in writing? Do you know how to convey the feeling of compassion, empathy or love through words. Understand it is not the words that matter, but the meaning and feeling behind them that touches people. Which is why I addressed the Teacher v Poet.
  
  My philosophy is twisted because of your standpoint, not because I am less intelligent or had less experience, (which I'm coming to see could be more.) You rate yourself over the amount of books you have sold? That is only a commercial standpoint and is not the true measure of a human.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I haven't sold more copies than the Holy Bible or Holy Quran,that will take time and god willing it will happen.If you were ranked over them I would not give you any attitude.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are missing the point totally. You measure your enlightened state on the sale of your book. Keep meditating human being, you're missing some key points
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are twisted.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I almost am gasping in disbelief that you cannot see this. The only reply you can give is "You are twisted." mohitmisra, I seriously wish you no harm, I can't pass that enough. There is no sarcasm meant by what I am saying. I am aghast that you stand up and say you are an enlightened man but cannot see that your measuring stick is a commercial status.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Give me one reason why some one enlightened should take your attitude in a religious forum.You intervened and said my words were vague,like you are the master ha.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am not the master, I was passing to you what you were conveying, or not conveying. You have said many times that you are a teacher. You were not teaching me anything. I've read your poems also, they didn't pass anything to me. They mean something to you and that is fine. But if you are an intended teacher and you are not passing to a student, then you are not my teacher and perhaps you need to see this. An enlightened one would at least look and not dismiss.
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at all i will answer you:
you could lose weight by following Islamic system in eating and drinking; and also you should to fast like Muslims; it is very good to lose weight if you could follow it; but Muslims follow it by faith and for God and that's the difference...

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mohitmisraposted 15 years ago
Dont have a choice Neither of us, never wanted to get enlightened or become a poet, very, very ,very difficult job.
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  agvulpesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe there is a message in that. Most gods appear to have a natural talent in their chosen vocation.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I get angry so often and I ask why me?
  He says patience is needed in order to see.
  
  Took me years to come to terms with myself.
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  agvulpesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think you might be only fooling yourself if you believe that you have come to terms with yourself. Your comments seem to indicate self doubt and insecurity.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This was written years back. the prophet Mohammad and all the other prophets faced this confusion, its normal.
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  agvulpesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  OK So now that we have established the fact that you consider yourself the New Prophet , can we expect to see a service being offered to we poor non-believers for a dial-in service to get a "Prophecy a Day".
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I share the knowledge I have ,some like it some do not. I was an atheist so I have nothing against non believers.
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  agvulpesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So now there are two of you. This gets better by the minute .
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  us meaning you and me
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  agvulpesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So now the two of you are starting up a stand-up comedy routine, you could rival the greats. Laural and Hardy, Martin and Lewis, Charlie McArthy !!!!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So you going to be Laural or Hardy? By the way I liked Melbourne, been there a few times.
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  agvulpesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Gee I'm sorry I missed the Fan fare. I must have been away that minute.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Humour is always welcome.God has as superb sense of humour
  The spell check here is the American English and not English- English.Was wondering why the humour had a read line beneath it.
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  agvulpesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What, are you the straight man.?
  When do you get to say something funny. Oh yes I forgot, you have already haven't you !
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This what I am saying you have to take attitude from many people once you get enlightened as its a strange world.All the prophets faced this even though they were being nice.I will add a cruel world as well.
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  agvulpesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I was wondering when we would get back to the start of the circle. This is where I bid you farewell. Say goodnight gracie.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Unbelievably cruel world no wonder its called a dimension of hell.Waiting patiently to finish my work and go back home.Good night funny name.
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  agvulpesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I just wonder if I can get in the last word while he's not looking ? :
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Get the better of me, chop his head and grow tall, go ahead post again and I will not.
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prince1244posted 15 years ago
I am doing some soul searching, have not quit gotten there yet
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cheaptrickposted 15 years ago
why do most people refer to god as "he".the deity of all religions is cast as the dominant sex in that society.god and jesus were men because it was a patriarcal society.if they had been woman no one would have listened to them,look at what happened to mary magdalin.its so importent to find original definition and context when studying the ancients.i believe god is because of a proponderence of indicaters in sciences like math and physics.these are renforced by phylosophy and objective theology.in my opinion anything written by man contains the distortions of that persons mind no matter how hard they try to be objective.in physics we say"observation changes the observed".as long as perception is used to apprehend truths of any sort we must hold them all suspect.if it was'nt for jimmy swagert i'd still be confused,he taught me how to frequent prostitutes and then get followers to finance it lol lol lol .thank god for the television evangelists lol lol lol...peace...
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its_the_skittle_eposted 15 years ago
When we die our soul doesn't. While our bodies rot in a fancy box underground or burn in a fire, our soul is being reincarnated.

Depending on how much we have learned in our life our souls progress.

If we didn't learn anything in this life then we would be put in the same situations in our next life until we learn what we need to progress onwards.

This is what I was grown up to believe.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is a nice belief, but how does it cater for those who are illiterate? Surely their soul should not be punished for not knowing about your beliefs?
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not about punishment really. About experiences. We judge down here from our little minds. We think from a limited box that an illiterate, or disadvantaged person (covers the whole gammit), is somehow not having a soul experience, or has no 'control' over their experience down here, or is unable from our standpoint to evolve or transform. Our perception of right and wrong, advantaged or disadvantaged is limited. Not everything is as it seems to be, particularly in non-physical states.
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  its_the_skittle_eposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This is an interesting question and I think I should bring it up in a paper I am writing about Life After Death it's for my Senior seminar project thank you.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There is allot of work being done on this. There is a book called Death the Great Journey that may help you.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Have you read books by Dr.Brian Weiss? He talks about his patients and their death experiences.I had this experience in the middle of the Atlantic ocean, died became one with the light, became the cosmos.Where there is no beginning and no end, timeless state of supreme bliss Then the moment I thought of myself I was back.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This is true , this earth is like a school for our souls and the main lesson is love.
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