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GeneralHowitzerposted 16 years ago
The ice age question that still exists, nyahaha just kidding here, only chicken and egg how about the rooster nyahahaha, the equation seems not right nyahahaha.
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quicksandposted 16 years ago
That general has knocked some sense into the equation when he spoke about the rooster between the chicken and the egg.
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quicksandposted 16 years ago
The chicken cannot appear without an egg. An egg has to be laid by the chicken. In order that the chicken lays the egg, the rooster has to materialize. He does.

Therefore it follows logically that the rooster and the chicken came first.

That will bring us back to do re mi!

The very first notes just happen to be Adam and Eve!
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marinealways24posted 16 years ago
So does everyone agree now that there is a creator?
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earnestshubposted 16 years ago
I have a different slant on drugs, including marijuana.
Drugs change brain chemistry. So does food, exercise and anything else that changes our brain's uptake of seratonin and dopamine. It is easy to see that with an inbalance of brain chemistry we are not optimal.
The pathways for all these drugs is already built in to our bodies.The worst drugs are some of the prescription types that bludgeon the CNS in to submission.
The lies and fear around drugs is like the fear around religion.

For example the much feared GBH,or Grievious Bodily Harm, which has been changed to fit it's emotive description. It is in fact (GHB) Gamma Hydroxy Butyrate which is a case in point. GHB is already a part of our chemistry, the amount alters conciousness as do the cannabinols and amphetimines.
I believe that Religion and other beliefs alter drastically with even minor changes to brain chemistry.
Religiosity is the partner of fear, and this becomes more evident in some concious states. By creating a culture of drug wars the public gets no real drug information at all. If having a prescription will keep you safe from drug abuse why all the deaths? GHB on it's own has never hurt anyone. With alchohol it is deadly. Some prescription anti-depressants can also cause death simply by eating the wrong food with it. (The aged cheese effect.)
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  onthewritesideposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. Look at deprenyl (selegiline). It was first introduced to try to help patients suffering from Parkinson's disease. But the Psychotropic effects have proven to have even more value...including potentially extending life. It does so by inhibiting the breakdown of dopamine in the brain in older subjects. Unfortunately, MAO inhibitors don't react well with just about any other meds a patient may be taking, so this causes a hesitancy to prescribe it.
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  earnestshubposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I have used selegiline in it's liquid form Cyprenil I think it was called.It has totally different effects depending on dosage (5-15mg) at 15 mg it is an effective anti-depressant, whereas a low dosage helps cells to regenerate better.It is an MAOB.Whereas many ant-depressants are MAOA's
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  onthewritesideposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Right I heard the same thing. Only I thought it worked on both A and B?
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  sandra rinckposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Funny you bring that up, GHB. I was actually given some of that by a marine in San Diego about 10 years ago with alcohol... it nearly killed me. I really didn't know what it was but he was fine and another lady was fine so I thought it was fine. Never again!
  
  Actually since then I developed a fear of anesthetics at the hospital and will refuse, I don't like pain medications like morphine which I had also been given at the hospital etc..
  I would rather deal with the pain then feel like that.
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  earnestshubposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Alcohol is deadly with GHB, and should never ever be taken with it. Pure GHB on it's own is quite different.
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  marinealways24posted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for adding that Earnest, you are like my hubpages college professor! lol good stuff. Seriously, lots of good information.
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quicksandposted 16 years ago
The simplest path is the best possible path. Without complicating issues by bringing examples by quoting various sources, I guess we ourselves have the capacity to discuss stuff in simple ways and create a simple sequence and should be able to arrive at certain starting points.

Taking the present world population which is estimated at 6.5B, go back in time by a hundred years, and probably the population would have been 6.5M or even less. Keep rewinding and you will find that the number will keep on reducing. You will finally reach a point where there would be just two. A lady and a gentleman.

If you find this a little hard to accept, think of it as several gentlemen in several locations and an equal number of ladies. The total number would be divisible by two.

Now bring in the rooster that the General was talking about.
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  GeneralHowitzerposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  yeah bring it on, wakikik, where's the rooster now. if marine believes that the chicken comes first, will this chicken lay egg on her own, i think that's illogical, awkward and very confusing. i cant believe i'll see the light of day and the darkness of night without my father.
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  Jewelsposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Ok guys settle down, of course there has to be a penis involved somewhere in procreation. The term chicken and egg was a metaphor used in teaching.
  
  http://radicalpedagogy.icaap.org/conten … garner.htm
  
  This is one reference, and is quite humorous in part. Knock yourselves out.
  
  Something else you may want to know is that a chicken doesn't need a rooster to produce eggs, she does however, need a rooster to produce eggs that will produce chicks. Next time you eat a poached egg think about that - no penis required for the egg.
  
  Also note that once a female black widow spider has used the "penis" of her male for the sole purpose of producing heirs to his thrown, she eats him. No longer a need for his penis. The animal kingdom is an amazing place.
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  quicksandposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  We were discussing the origins in the simple ways.
  
  The human kingdom is also an amazing place. The ability to use language, generates victory in many ways. Irrespective of ... oh never mind ...
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  onthewritesideposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  So does the female "Praying Manitis"...and hence the term I guess (from the male perspective anyway!)
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onthewritesideposted 16 years ago
I get what Sandra is trying to say...that we are all, ultimately, pieces and parts of that initial "creative energy" that always has been and always will be. Theists call it "God". Some Atheists don't even refer to it at all. Science calls it the "God Particle", or in other words, that initial energy form that gave way to the 4 energies they now recognize in the material universe.

But if you are talking about the creation of Man specifically, then other options come into play. Did God make the "Geep"? Nope...mankind did, and he did it through a really rather simple genetic manipulation, (once genetics were known). Humans have been "creating" hybrids in both the plant and animal kingdoms for a very long time. But it wasn't until fairly recently that science was able to actually "create" a new type of being. For those of you who are unaware of the Geep is, just Google it. In a nutshell, it is the result of genetic manipulation between a sheep and a goat...two species that are not able to procreate together naturally, (even though they are closely related). If they could, their offspring would end up being a hybrid (like a donkey is when a mule and a horse get together). Hybrids are always incapable of reproducing, but the Geep could if it had a mate. Science would only have to genetically "create" another one of the opposite sex to propagate an entirely new species of being.

Now if we are able to do this, what is to say that an advanced race...human, extraterrestrial, or whatever...wouldn't have been able to do the same thing in our past? The Sumerians believed that their "Gods", (for lack of a better term as they didn't actually call them that), "created" Mankind through a genetic manipulation between themselves and the highest form of naturally evolved hominid at that time. This idea seems far more possible to me than some Sky Fairy waving a magic stick and "POOF", here we are!
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  Jewelsposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  See when I ask the question about creation I go beyond our planet and existence to the very first thing ever created. Mind blowing - literally! Even if Gods from the Sirius impregnated us with their genes (just saying) who created them, and who created the ones who impregnated them? Yowsa! The whole creation of existence - how did that happen? I'm not giving that to God by the way. I think the use of that word has so many negative connotations I'd rather bypass it altogether and call it unnecessary.
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  onthewritesideposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. You could say, "Well who created God?". A theist will say, "He has just always been". Well if God has "always been", then why couldn't the Universes just always have been? I admit it's quite the conundrum, but to accredit it to a "God" just seems preposterous to me.
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  Jewelsposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I have no idea! Seems things are based on a beginning and an end, an inhalation and exhalation, creation and extinction. Nothing is ever constant. Fires don't burn forever, they go out. Everything changes into something else. Mind you I'm a bit concerned about plastic!
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  marinealways24posted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for adding this. I was asking who created the universe and now you have me asking who/what created the creator/creators. lol
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  marinealways24posted 16 years agoin reply to this
  It is not out of my belief that we could have been genetically alltered by another intelligent life. Then as Jewels mentioned, it comes back to the circle. Who/what created the intelligent life that created us?
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  onthewritesideposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  And isn't this the be-all, catch-all question? Whatever was at the "Beginning", how did it appear or who or what created it? I don't think it matters which belief system or set of ideals you happen to adhere to, this question will never be able to be answered. Ultimately, all we can do is use our best judgment and speculate. But Theists will tell you that God simply has "always been"...and that is just not a viable answer. I could easily say that "alien life" has "always been". Or someone else could say that our higher selves, which are connected to the collective "creative consciousness" have always existed. The argument is moot because I don't think that even in a million years from now, we will know the answer...
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  marinealways24posted 16 years agoin reply to this
  lol What kind of sick game is this to set us up with no answers?
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  Davinagirl3posted 16 years agoin reply to this
  It seems like when we are at our most desperate, we search for answers. When we are happy and content, the answers find their way to us. The answers are all around you. Life is not easy. If there were no hard parts, there would be no easy parts. The universe must be in balance. When it seems like there are no answers in sight, that is when you will see them. Anyone who thinks there are no answers must have a very grim view of life.
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onthewritesideposted 16 years ago
I think of the Big Bang theory as this:

Imagine a balloon filled with air. You stick a pin in it, and the balloon pops. But what really happened? You made a very tiny hole in the surface of the balloon, but because of the immense air pressure, it "exploded" into a gaping hole releasing all of the air in an apparent instant.

Now think about another universe, or "density" if you will. A small hole gets punctured from it into ours (which was nothing), but just like with the balloon, the tiny hole "explodes" into a gaping gash due to the "pressure" of whatever force was there trying to get in/out. But without the "skin" of the balloon to restrict it, the "stuff" exploded and expanded in every direction, and instantly started to transform into other "stuff", thus creating the beginnings of our universe as we know it. There was no "Bang", as there is no sound in a vacuum...and it wasn't "Big" because it would have had to start from the tiniest of "pin-pricks".
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earnestshubposted 16 years ago
It does work on A to some extent, but the changes MAOB makes are not reversible.
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  onthewritesideposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Well by "irreversible" they mean it takes about 2 weeks after you stop dosing before you return to baseline. It's not truly irreversible, the effects just can't be changed immediately by administering another drug in the case of an emergency.
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  earnestshubposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  That is right, but it also has an accumulative effect.
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  onthewritesideposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Oh OK...I guess I was just considering the inhibition of the breakdown of Dopamine. That's what really interested me the most...
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marinealways24posted 16 years ago
"Something else you may want to know is that a chicken "doesn't" need a rooster" to produce eggs, she does however, need a rooster to produce eggs that will produce chicks. Next time you eat a poached egg think about that - no penis required for the egg."
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marinealways24posted 16 years ago
Hello Sandra, Thanks for adding.

"Marine- Jewels is saying that the habitual use of Marijuana limits you perception of reality in that you "forget" to address reality. At some point a person has to stop and rid themselves of all toxins to "know" what its limits are"

I can agree with this statement. Reality is usually boring to me. I agree what you are saying with "breaks" to get back to reality. I will say when stoned that I have analyzed my thoughts and actions in life and made progress in learning myself while stoned before. Compared to consciousness in meditation, I can't speak until I try meditation. Thanks for helping to explain. Great Perspective, Much appreciated.
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  earnestshubposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I think that one man's toxin is another mans pathway. Don't give up on the drugs as a source of knowing. The shadow or dark side of a person can leap out and scare the living s**t out of people, but if recognized as self it is very informative. Great minds like Shulgin would not agree that drugs do not continue to open the mind by providing changes in brain chemistry. Nothing unnatural about that.Food does the same... changes brain chemistry. It is still all us folk, An unhealthy fear of life is the big bogeyman!
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  marinealways24posted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for adding Earnest. What is your comparison on weed to meditation?
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  earnestshubposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Weed finds things to meditate on for one thing. Very high delta 9 contents makes MJ very expansive, and psychedelic. It is very good productive space for thinking with other functions enhanced.
  I feel that meditation is a path of higher awareness and very useful for some people to attain enlightenment. I have been meditating for 30 years or so. I find it incredibly helpful.
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  marinealways24posted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Earnest. I really have to try this meditation thing. Do you have to have a teacher or can you learn to meditate on your own?
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  earnestshubposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I don't quite know how to answer this. I had a teacher, but as every person is so different it is hard to say. I would suggest just trying to practice basic meditation initially, read some books and then get a teacher maybe. You are open minded in my view and may enjoy it.
  I was not so open minded when I started meditation..... I hated dropping out of the meditation all the time and needing to start over. It was hard not to be actively involved in the process initially but with practice you will get it. Some people seem to do it quite easily.
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  quicksandposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I would suggest you check out Transcendental Meditation. It is the simplest form. Just twenty minutes is all it takes per session, and two sessions a day. While practicing it do not expect anything to happen. Just be yourself and just do it ...
  
  This is only a suggestion and nothing more. It is up to you to check it out and decide.
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  earnestshubposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I agree, check out TM and decide where to go yourself with this. I had a few false starts.
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  onthewritesideposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed, and well said!
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  onthewritesideposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Well you know what they say..."Reality is for people that can't handle drugs!"
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earnestshubposted 16 years ago
E (real E is an amazing experience in empathy and love.
If it wasn't for the chemical feedback. i would take it daily. No wars, no hate, no religion needed.
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  sandra rinckposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah that's what I heard! But seriously I "quaked". like a duck and repeated myself. My teeth chattered and I certainly did not feel the desire to boink. I felt like I wanted water.
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  earnestshubposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I would almost guarantee that what you took was not pure E. Every female I know wants to bonk on E!
  Sexual inhibitions just disappear ..
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  sandra rinckposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah I will have to agree but then again, you aren't a bad looking guy sooooo... maybe the ladies needed an excuse.
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  earnestshubposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Sandra, but it was not just me.I used to go to E parties. I did get to have some wonderful sex, but I mean, out of say twenty girls, around about twenty would want sex with E!
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  onthewritesideposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I guess I was expecting a more "tripping" experience. It wasn't wholly bad, but I had higher expectations.
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thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years ago
the biggest atheist lie exposed. imagine no religion. when atheist get their way
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay00zBbIvXY
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Deary me.
  
  You guys really are getting desperate aren't you. Nice, thanks for posting and sharing the love.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's funny how you ignored all that hilter stalin and il stuff i guess it craps your atheist style
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So what is your style?... maybe if u publish a hub we can see .
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, I see - the "truth" involves editing what people have said. How very chistian of you. Nice.
  
  Seriously dude, I have to thank you for being the way you are - it is people like you that have persuaded me there is no god, no saving etc.
  
  Thank you very much.
  
  Sure - Stalin killed more people than The Auto da fe. Not mentioning he had a bigger population to work on - and you could argue that the religious monarchy that he replaced killed more than he did. Excellent - that is a great argument for believing in god.
  
  You guys are so funny. I don't know where you come up with an argument on favor of believing the crap you believe based on "only a few thousand were killed in the Spanish inquisition" and Hitler, although he founded the christian national party and used "christian family values," to persuade the population to assist in the murder of millions of jews, he was really an atheist.
  
  Therefore I should subscribe to your BS? Umm, no thanks.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do unto to others... no wait that's a moral code. Where did you get that from? You atheist crack me up! You beg for facts and as soon as a Christian or anyone shows you facts you run away with your fingers in your ears. Screaming "unfair mean oh Christian is picking me" Show me facts of your theories proof you are right. You can’t! All you have is faith, but you hate Christians for that same faith. Amazing! All of your theories on how life began and how we got here have either been disproven, discredited or laughed at, I don't have enough faith to be a atheist. So run atheist, when you want to debate facts just come back. btw hitler was an atheist all atheist leaders try to use Christian-like words(peace, love your neighbor, help everyone, love) to draw a following, but instead honoring God they themselves demand worship that's where they differ, but I’m sure you already knew that. nice try though.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Facts?
  
  About what exactly? You have absolutely no proof whatsoever that an invisible super being created us, yet you are attacking proven scientific theories?
  
  What for? Does the truth scare you so much? That we evolved the same as every other animal on the planet.
  
  Sorry you are so scared. I wish I could help. You atheists? Like I said - thank you for reminding me why I do not subscribe to your belief system.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "you are attacking proven scientific theories?" always the victim huh atheist. Which theories are you talking about? We came from oceans? nope disproved last week. we came from apes? No. never been proven just passed around as fact without proof. Space time continuum? fact proven by man no! In the first verse of the bible “In the beginning(time) God created the heavens(space) and the earth(matter)” WOW! Keep em coming atheist. Show all the holes in your belief system.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  So - your belief rests solely on a 2,000 year old book that makes no sense and you feel the need to attack anyone who does not believe it?
  
  Excellent - still waiting for some facts. Or how about some evidence dis-proving the theory of evolution? I might actually read that if it is not written by a god botherer who makes up his own data.....
  
  I realize that you are too ignorant to be able to see a rational decision when it pokes you in the eye, but this is great! Keep em coming dude - we should be able to put several hundred off of the christian belief system with this lot.
  
  Long time no see any way - nice new user name by the way.
  
  Oh, and since last time, I wrote a hub explaining why evolution proves there is no god. It is worth reading, if only for the "enlightening," comments.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So Dawkins is your god. Saw the interview where he got stumped. LOL. The atheist creed "If they disagree instead actual debate call them names" real mature. What about Anthony Flew a genius scientist another one of your former gods who got smart and followed the science where it really led...to GOD. Let me guess he was "ignorant" too. I know how you atheist hate to read so here's a couple more vids for ya. 1.watch and then 2.respond
  Two steps you can handle that right? Of course you can your an intellectual, but can you solve this 0+0=
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRiotwLDuzM
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh3f5KfXXOo
  
  See both of your fairy tales shattered, but don't worry there will be a new theory next week.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, I do not have a god.
  
  I realize this is a difficult concept to grasp, so I will say it a little slower.
  
  I do not have a god. Because there is no such thing.
  
  I hope that helps, but any time you want to post anything other than youtube videos with nothing in them but ignorant people ranting - such as any evidence whatsoever to support your beliefs - I am all ears.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Afraid of the truth behind doors 1&2? If I were you I wouldn't watch either. Yes you have god yourself,money,pride,greed,your precious disproved and discredited scientific theories and you have faith that they will make you feel good and complete, but they haven’t and they won’t. but they are great gods to have in this world, but you can't take it with you. Keep on fearing death holding on to your goods and hating Christians and of course “arguing” the existence of what you call nothing. I see you have no comment for your former god Flew and you still could solve that equation. Let recap I argued every single point of yours and totally called you out for the fool you choose to be and you called me "ignorant", sticks and stones, my atheist friend. I have to say that was a big word for you. You're a dying breed atheist. Enjoy it while you're alive. Job 24:24 "For a little while they are exalted, and then they are gone; they are brought low and gathered up like all others; they are cut off like heads of grain."
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I watched them. Just exactly what was I supposed to glean from a few ignorant believers?
  
  I do not fear death, and if you knew me at all, you would not insult me by making the allegations you just made.
  
  Oh well, you are just reinforcing my thoughts about christians. Thank you once again.
  
  http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/08/01 … -of-faith/
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh man once again atheist back to the creed of atheism. Name calling. Typical!
  "I do not fear death, and if you knew me at all, you would not insult me by making the allegations you just made." Still a victim, huh atheist. You can dish it out atheist but when it comes down to it you're as a weak as the gods you serve. Does it hurt when I name your gods athiest? That feeling has a name it's called conviction! You're Done! NEXT!
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No - not a victim at all. You stated things about me that are insulting and untrue.
  
  You may feel free to take ownership of your actions or not - as you see fit. I don't really care what you think of me for not believing, but being accused of being greedy because I do not, is not only a stretch it is insulting.
  
  But thanks once again for proving I am right not to subscribe to your ignorant belief system. If you keep it up, I am sure the thread will get closed - like the last ones you were involved in under a different name.
  
  Love the hiding behind a username though. This will be my last response as I was rather enjoying the discussion before you arrived.
  
  ciao.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I spilled my coffee laughing at this puerile religionists crap! How many brain cells you got there boy! Come on don't be shy, shine your light
  
  Fanatics don't need to think apparently.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Did the vid have lies in it? No. but because it flies in the of your god of nothing, it must be crazy. Oh to the the mold of the atheist. Cookie cut.
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
where r u thetruthurts? maybe looking for bible quotes or stuff in youtube ?
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
TIME'S UP ! I'm leaving the forum
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
If you were less of a bigot you might read something other than your psychotic god book and actually find out something! You are ignorant by choice. And another small point you may not know. It should be known to you by now that Mark is no fool, he could by and sell you without you knowing, and obviously knows more about religion than you do sunshine
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Blind by Choice unite! Another atheist creed "If they are a Christian instead debating the facts call them a bigot to show lack of intelligent response." I could care less how much money he has he can't take it with him and neither can you. Btw we are NOT talking religion(the new buzz word of the atheist church) we are taking faith. His complete and blind faith in science, and the Dogma of Atheism. Catch up!
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A tiny mind. You know nothing of me, and I'm good with that. No point in calling me blind by choice, I called you that a minute ago. I have to admit to boredom in dealing with such a small person, why don't you and your petty little god f off?
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Atheist creed 1 and 3 swearing and name calling to avoid an actual debate. Do you guys have meetings too? I know you alright you’re a typical, cookie cut, Christophobic! Always learning, but never able to acknowledge the truth. When you're ready to get schooled like your friend atheist 1 come on back. If not go back to watching MSNSC and Oprah, sipping down that left wig kool-aid(goes down smooth, but in the end can kill ya)
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thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years ago
The fleeing of the atheist! When called out they run away. You are as weak as the gods you serve, my friend, it's truly sad. Look over this exchange and see for yourself you lose, as an atheist get used to it. You haven't made your case at all. I know you care, about Christians and their faith that why are here in this forum you’re lonely, drunk of the left-wig kool-aid, weak minded and most importantly running out of time. You wander why we seem to be so happy and whole, but instead of believing in God you keep falling for the science tricks(forged fossil drawings, evolution not studied, not proven, "we came from oceans") only to be let down time after time. I baited you into this debate to show your real face. I told you how it would end from the beginning "You beg for facts and as soon as a Christian or anyone shows you facts you run away with your fingers in your ears. Screaming "unfair mean oh Christian is picking me"" I have thank you as well only a true fool can have so much faith in nothing. You earned the title
Blind by Choice
2 Corinthians 4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You have got a mouth on you! What a pathetic little god botherer you are!
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Stay true to that creed of yours. atheist 1 must be your master. Let me guess you're more of that New Age nonsense "I'm my own god" crowd, and you often say if God is real why does bad things happen right? Wow you're still in preschool grow up and come back.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Like I said little fella you got a mouth on you. Is that all the research you could muster tiny one?
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I gotcha pegged. Move on man you're not ready for me!
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have been eating little bugs like you for years.You are just another little bible basher who probably hasn't read it properly or at all, knows nothing about anything and has a mouth like a hose.Seen it all before sunshine. it is about now you start spouting scripture you don't understand!
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Then you should have nothing to worry about. I see right through you.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
You betcha bad boy!You can't even see past your own tiny little psychotic god, you have no chance of knowing anything much.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  All talk!! Just as I first assumed. You my friend are the small one. You can't see at all. I called your bluff. Move on like I said you're not ready for me. So go gather you're mormon teachings, you're atheist book, your new age tapes, and don't forget your sense of humor, beacuse you left wing, new age nutjobs are the biggest joke of them ALL. I'm done with this for today. Study your master's mistakes, and after I'm done with you remember you ask for it. Deuteronomy 28:7 "The LORD will grant that the enemies who rise up against you will be defeated before you. They will come at you from one direction but flee from you in seven."
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You know, you and your god could walk under asphalt without leaving a dimple, go away you insignificant church chaser, you haven't got enough intelligence to debate, all you can do is quote from your little god book and make weak attempts at showing what a tool you are. Pathetic little people do that sometimes I've heard, along with the cut and paste .
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Like I said all bark no bite. You're about one thing,( probably the only thing )I'm a church chaser I chase down churches of unbelief like atheist and whatever you are this month. Expose their blind faith and call out their material gods, that rule them. I'll make one more assumption about you, you claim you've read the bible, but you have some atheist, new age filter that prevented it from taking effect, you find it confusing and don't really get, so you try to put down (unsuccessfully) anyone who does get it, and know how to use it so you can feel better. Little brains? Enough about you. You fear debate because your read how slayed your master with simple common sense and deep down you know you will lose. So keeping shaking your fist at the sky old man. I’ll be waiting.
  btw I never seem an atheist or a left wig nutjob like yourself debate without swearing or using the word bigot. Amazing and so telling of the true intelligence of people like you.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey your back, and wrong on every count as usual. Me? Born again Christian, founding member of the Christian businessman's committee (world wide) and neither atheist nor new age. 2 years bible study (full time) One year in Hebrew and Greek. I have not only read your tome, but also the Quoran for a year. So I thought you might like to know what a complete tosser you are, so ... proof positive eh? By the way Mark Knowles will have what I leave over for lunch.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Wow big words for you "egotistical" good for you. Like I said always learning, but never able to acknowledge the truth. Typical you've gone to school and read all the others books so you know everything, sort of a Christian-reform or Gospel-lite. Everyone is good deep down. You guys are all the same .When I say you were never a Christian you fight to the death to prove you were and stopped, because "you did some research or saw some “contradiction” and assumed you knew better" TYPICAL! Let me guess in your skewed view no loving God who send anyone to hell. Right? It funny how ex Christians, (btw there is no such thing you simply fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up, and choked it, and it yielded no fruit) and nonbelievers bring up fear, because they know they have the most to fear when they find out that they were wrong. Quit now, and remember you challenged me. You were never a Christian. YOU WERE A FALSE CONVERT, NOW YOU'RE A FALSE TEACHER! Turn around now before you drive yourself and others off the cliff.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
You really are a goose aren't you? You have a problem with words of more than one syllable? As for the "still a Christian" bit, yeh I read that bit too. John talked a lot of crud, and yes that was amongst it. Why don't you cut and paste something about it? I try to educate you, and you are not capable of any independent thought at all. The difference between you and me little man is that I have been what you are.... gullible and brainwashed. If you ever read anything instead of just Googling it you may become less of a living joke given enough time. As for fear, nah I don't do fear, you god botherers have a monopoly on it. tell you what smalltime, you and your tiny little god's belief are for the scrap heap real soon.
You wont find a god botherer left within a few years, your "younger than springtime" planet rubbish just does not stand up in the daylight or to logic.

Here puppy, a bone for you. go spend a couple of years at http://www.bltc.com/ and learn a bit about science and the real world.

Then start reading other science and tech books until you get yourself up to the right century, you really are a lightweight without any proof evidence or even common sense aren't you? Let me do some guessing this time, I can't get it as wrong as you did! Religious upbringing, brainwashed in religion at an early age, never read the bible in your life, wanked with your religious guilt hanging over you like a sky fairy, got an inferiority complex and sexual hangups the size of a block of flats. Now leave the men's place to men and go play with your scared little friends.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nope I'm a sheep, you're a goat or wolf if you prefer. Goodness really? You can't be this simple. According to the atheist/nonbelievers handbook you are coming along quite nicely. Let's see you used a buzz word 3 times, you pulled out the oldest play "brainwashed" you my friend have been influenced by the way of the world. You have taught me one thing ALL false converts will fall away and seek after their own desires. You had no roots you are easily swayed, you believe anything you are told so weak minded. You’re under the influence of the left-wing and are in desperately in need of detox. You got nothing, you're just too foolish to see it. I like science, but science has been trying to catch with the bible for years, and you know this, the stars, the oceans, disease, atoms, the bible said it first, come on. The more you respond the more I know you were a false convert and now a false teacher, I told you before I see right through you. Now go find more articles by more fools like yourself and try to look smarter. You are always learning, but will you the ever acknowledge the truth. I hope maybe one day you will, but I fear you won’t. btw Darwin? too easy. You’re done. Next!
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thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years ago
I'm done, but I know you nonbelievers you're worst then cockroaches, go ahead and attack. Your house of cards has fallen. As a for any Christians out there don't fear these fools they are all bark. Do your research on the church of atheism and their blind faith tied to nothing. You'll at least get a good laugh. Goodnight!
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your God gave man ability of science to find absolute truth, not preachers. What would you do if someone came and knocked on your door saying they are a prophet? Would you believe them? I wouldn't. Whats the difference between them and the bible?
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If a man come and claims to be a prophet, I'd put through the filter(the bible) their teachings have to line up, with the teachings of Jesus if it differs at all they are a false prophet. It’s pretty simple, but people are still fooled. Atheist don't have a filter, because their theories change constantly.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How about if the person had the bible memorized?
  
  Do you think ones belief should be closed or open to debate?
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have no problem with debate, but I don't speak for all Christians. Nowadays you if you are a Christian you are the enemy, You've seen it here (bigot, crazy, brainwashed and old fashioned) usually from the same people who demand tolerance. Whenever I'm asked about social issues and give my POV I'm sometimes asked why? and then I ask "Would sell your eyes for 1 million dollars?" Of course they say "no", then I say "That 's how I feel about my relationship with Jesus Christ and I would never sell off my morals for any price" no matter how popular the issue is, and some get it, but others...well you know. That's why you see so many ex Christians ie false converts since their was no root they are easily swayed by the social climate and it's hard to say no to societal peer pressure, especially when they see the response if you don't hold the values of the world.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do you accept others not having your belief or do you judge them? Also, what role do you think religion plays in science?
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I accept everyone’s right to choose what they believe, but when those people try to attack or belittle me for what I choose to believe I have to defend my right to believe what I believe. We shouldn't judge anyone, but when certain faiths claim Christianity, I put them through the filter, and rebuke the differences. I think science is good. A common misconception about Christians is we hate science it's usually said by simple minds, but still. I'm not a fan of that word religion I don't have a religion. I have a relationship with Jesus Christ, there a big difference that few want to look into. I think science should stop trying to disprove the idea of a Creator they have failed every time, but that doesn't stop millions of people from swallowing the science pill whole. The reason when even have atheist it because science has taken a lot of wonder out of the world and it leaves people feeling like shells instead of people To explain further check out this video. Let me know what you think.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRlFWTZFQLQ
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Never mind schnookums, you can always pull out the good book and console yourself with the most ridiculous thoughts on the planet today.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You see what I mean. Goodness you lost!
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think the preacher in the video was very persuasive in his attempts. He is pretty much saying that someone needs christian faith for morals and leadership. This is not the case. Some choose to lead themselves better than many that live religious. Do you think someone can reach individualism when following anothers belief? I think evolution is clearly evident in humans. Look at where we have came in war technology. We went from lining up in a row to having remote control aircraft. The only question in evolution is if the human mind was intervened. If we did evolve from animals, this does not mean we have to act as animals. Do you need a bible to tell you this? We have the ability to seperate from the animal mind, some use this ability, some do not. If we did evolve from chimps, this does not cancel out there not being a creator. It simply counts out divine intervention of the human mind.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You have nailed it pretty well I reckon!
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ty, it hurt my head writing all that.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  To the self proclaimed Christian
  
  You do not accept anyone's right to believe anything. ... other than what you believe. Get down to it, read all your presumptive, everyone encompassed all inclusive statements. You probably cannot see them, anyone with their eyes open can... your bad.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Really, you are a piece of work, you butt in to a debate between me and atheist 1 spouting "bigot" "crazy" and you have tha gall to say I don't accept you. You need a reality check, believe what you want, but don't tell me I can't do the same.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting points, but we still disagree and that’s okay. Where did morals come from? Most of us know when we are doing wrong where does that feeling come from we have rules there must be a rule giver. The reason evolution and Christianity, can't agree is God made us in his likeness and image(bible) There is no evidence to shows one species evolving to another and they gotten so desperate as to forge fossil records, fake photos and drawings and since they can't study evolution of species they simply let it sit as put to word fact in front of it. Charles Darwin knew his theory would be hard to prove and he said, so he also said to discard his theory if we didn’t find proof. We haven’t, but some still have faith in it. Is it that we are so desperate too deny God we will hang on to anything? We didn't evolve from animals and there is no proof that we did. You'll notice the biggest point for the "we are animals" is when you talk about homosexuality, the first thing you'll hear is animals have homo sex so it's natural, animals can't help themselves there are animals, they also bite people when scared. They have to be trained. Do you really want go down that road. I would hope not. We are higher than animals we were created for a purpose, not to itch and scratch and sleep all day. We talk, we walk, we can think, we can paint, sing, we can feel ,we have a conscience and we can make things to make life better, Why are we Christians hated, because we choose to see ourselves as more and to hold ourselves up to a higher standard as a being made in God's image, not to a chimp flinging poop and eating bugs. The human mind is where any possible idea of us evolving from chimps die, it just doesn't compute. Individualism is obvious, we are not the same, but that has nothing to do with your faith any one can be a Christian, if they repent(turn away from sins) and trust in Jesus Christ for you Salvation. The bible has been a guide book for man for years, although when atheist leaders get in power always try to eliminate the bible, Why? Despite that it has survived all these years. And Jesus said his word would never die and it hasn’t. Archeologist has proven many of the events in the bible including the flood. The technology surge was also predicted, in the bible. Another obvious prediction is Egypt the bible said it would never rule over another land and every time Egypt has tried to gain power it has failed, you should look into it it's amazing. See here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gL7w2coR3g
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yep we are not stuck in the poo up to our ankles headfirst, so some thinking outside the narrow constraints is available to us, where you are locked in to what some crazy homophobic sexist old men with an obvious agenda teach
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you oh "tolerant" liberal
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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
Another barrel of fun that one.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
You are most welcome!
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "btw I never seem an atheist or a left wig nutjob like yourself debate without swearing or using the word bigot or in this case homophobic. Amazing and so telling of the true intelligence of people like you."
  You guys sure know how come full circle. Amazing.
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bkelly99posted 15 years ago
no no guys. It all comes down to science. Go to www.TED.com
where you'll see some of the most inspiring videos. there is no afterlife all we do is rot. when we look at it we seem so small and useless.people use God as the bandaid. They think everything will be all right in God's eyes.
for instance when somebody dies they say, Its alright now he's with God.
or if somebody does something wrong to say, it's okay he believes in God. All God is as a Band-Aid to make everybody feel okay. It's kind of crazy how manipulative God really is.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The only way you would know if there is no afterlife is if you have died before. I think you have things twisted a little. It's really crazy how religion uses it's idea of a God to manipulate. To assume there is or is not an afterlife is the same as a religion. It's an assumption.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, not to worry bkelly99! There is no god I have looked at TED, it looks like a good site, lots of interesting and topical subjects. Thank you!
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There could be a creator/creators. But I do agree, the religious God does not exist.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I am pretty hard and fast on no god of the religious type for obvious reasons, and try as I may, even as a "Born again then this is bullshit Christian" I cannot make an entity connection with what I believe.... We may disagree, without either of us needing to blow kisses or apologise
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The beauty of individualism.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is true, it is a very complex area once you use other words than creation, and creation is a biggy too, maybe we'll leave it to others to worry about ay?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I wouldn't mind hearing your idea on that.
  
  Are you referring to the link? Not finished reading yet, will finish tommorrow. Looked pretty big to me.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's your opinion!
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed. I am speaking of my individual belief.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And I can respect your right to do so.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Likewise. Ty
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's your opinion!
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Did you get any idea of the size of the site?
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
I wanted to ask if you saw David's other drug site while you were at the site I sent you to.Thanks for looking marine, I do that too, I know many do not. I appreciate you wishing to exchange info in a mature way.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  My eyes focused on something about marijuana as I was scrolling through. I don't know why. Not sure if this is what you are referring to. Again, I have to read again, the devil got me stoned.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
The truth is your standards are no better than others.If you had read my post, I said you make assumptive inclusive statements all the time. My view is that there is no god, there is less than no proof of a god, and I cannot disprove god because he is not answering anyone. You quote the bible as if I must believe it, I do not. Nor do I respect your superiority complex, it smacks of insecurity to me, thou protesteth too much. I have reems of scientific proof for my belief, imperical evidence stacked high that is current. You on the other hand have your illogical belief in a sky fairy with no evidence except what you interpret your book to say. You cannot agree even as to how many gods to bother, there is little agreement between religions, yet with hundreds of interpretations, your right? Like winning the lotto, unless... you personally are so much smarter than all who disagree with you.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are beyond logic, you guys are all the same you talk about proof show it. You butted in to a debate between me and atheist 1 spouting "bigot" "crazy" and you have the gall to say I don't accept you. You need a reality check, believe what you want, but don't tell me I can't do the same. Your theories required more faith my friend. I said it before read carefully this time You can believe what you want! but obviously you got nothing if you have to butt in to make a "point". This is last post to you. Here's your antidote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT196xPxqGE
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your words make my case, so I am OK with that.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't mean to intrude your conversation. I have many ideas that agree with yours on religion. Out of curiousity, I would like to know why you don't believe in a creator/creators? Ty
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thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years ago
I'm done with this place I've shattered all the atheist nonsense and exposed the anti Christian agenda. And I did all with out a swearing unlike my counterparts. Goodbye and goodnight.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think you may have done the opposite without really knowing you did it.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ..and i'm pretty sure you are right!
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Cya dude.
  
  I respect your right to think whatever you like. No matter how meaningless and regardless of the fact that you have pretty much managed the opposite. All you have done is reinforced my decision not to believe the christian fairy tale. Thanks once again.
  
  I am truly sorry your belief system has been proven wrong by a few simple scientific facts.
  
  Oh well............
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You couldn't go down quietly, You mean the Scientific "facts" that you failed to mention in our debate that you lost ran away from. Or the my facts that I mentioned that disproved your "facts". Take a lesson former your former god Flew, following your science and comeback to reason. Your faith is amazing I gotta give you and the church of atheism credit. Your dogma is astounding! Thanks for reminding me why I call out atheist and their materalistic gods. I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. onesmallspeck proof you are wrong. Done.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I was just saying goodbye. On account of I thought you were leaving.
  
  I do not disbelieve in your god because of any scientific facts. Sorry.
  
  Lost ran away from? Come on vd - you can do better than that surely?
  
  Let us start at the beginning then if you are interested in a discussion. You claim there is a god. Please provide some evidence, or I will not believe you.
  
  Thanks.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I was until you commented. You run away look at our exchange you played by you atheist handbook and quit, only to come back with another sarcastic rant, Typical atheist play.
  One book kills your evolution fairy tale myth One Small Speck by Vij Sodera don't read if you want stay an atheist. Prove their is a God? Prove there is not! I looked at your writing it’s atheist dogma no proof just fancy guessing. You see the difference between you and me is I've done my homework I followed science and it led to a creator then I followed the creator and it led me the bible and the bible led me to salvation. You have tunnel vision you start out with there is no God so you cut out ALL reason. You know Flew the ex atheist who found God through science read his work, you'll learn something only if you are willing to look at the whole picture. I started open-minded and found God. You stay in that tunnel read that book then contact me. I wish you the best. You can start your atheist rant with smiles’ now and keep shaking your fist at the sky. Finally I'm done.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Personal ranting aside - please provide some evidence.
  
  And nothing you have said leads me to believe you have followed any science.
  
  Obviously it is not possible to prove a negative, but it is possible to prove a positive (as much as it is possible to prove anything.)
  
  You are the one stating the positive. Please provide some proof. Otherwise, my stance is a perfectly rational one. No evidence, let alone proof, equals does not exist. Simple.
  
  LOL and the evolution fairy tale is well proven. Here is a link to a page with lots of links to proof:
  
  http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/7572
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I would like to ask some questions of the bible. If you say the bible is divine, why are there contradictions and mistakes? Why does the bible and religion contradict free will? Why does the bible use fear to encourage belief?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think he is gone. Although he is correct - one small speck of proof and I will change my tune. Unfortunately, so far..
  
  What it takes is blind faith, and I cannot oblige.
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marinealways24posted 15 years ago
I would like to hear any ideas from those who do not believe in a creator/creators or reason and purpose. Can reason and purpose be proven?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  no
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Explain please. Evolution had a purpose to create life. This should mean purpose for that life, correct?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  no
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol why not?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol
  
  why?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What can't be found without a purpose or reason?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  nothing
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What can be found without a purpose or reason?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  everything
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Name 1 please.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You will not like it.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We don't have the option in life of only seeing, reading, or hearing only what we like, do we? Let's hear it.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, really - you are not going to like it.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I like reading what I don't like more than what I do like. What do you have?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You mean you want the answer? Even though I know you are not going to like it?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, are you planning to say my life?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No - the answer you are looking for is.... No, I can't give it, because you are really not going to like it.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am a big boy. I assure you, it will not hurt my feelings.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  OK, OK, The answer is...........
  
  forty two
  
  See. I knew it............
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Shame on you ! you don't have any answer OMG
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Of course I do. I just gave it.
  
  It is you who do not have a question.....
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
shoot! I want 2 know
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
tic tac.. tic tac.. tic tac...
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
of course I don't have a question! i know all the answers
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dtpetersposted 15 years ago
this hub seems to revolve around ego-fulfilling polemics rather than the acquisition of knowledge from alternate viewpoints
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  so maybe you can enlighten us
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  another blind man
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  dtpetersposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  who just deleted a silly answer !
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What is the knowledge you want to share?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  he doesn't want 2 share anything He ran off like.... imagine
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Doesn't sound like knowledge to me.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  of course not . this is a forum, man !! what do you expect? if you want knowledge go and google maybe you find something
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, but google doesn't argue with me. That is no fun.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  so what would you like 2 argue about ?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Reason and purpose.
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goodfriendiamposted 15 years ago
I believe in a creator, and I have proof. Me! You! and calamazoo...LOL...But on a serious note we are the proof. We are given free choice, to believe or not to believe. does not change the fact that he loves us regardless of us, and wants nothing more, then for you to be happy with your choice. thanks.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We are happy with our choice, thank you. Hope ur happy as well
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  goodfriendiamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks tantrum, yes very much so, and I am glad to hear that you are as well.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am glad you are happy in belief. I am not content in my belief. I want absolute truth of existance.
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  goodfriendiamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  marinealways where do you think the answer lies? For no one can give you the answer you seek for, the answer you seek lies within you. And their are those that are content with the answer they have found for themselves, even if it does not bring lasting peace. Hope this helps
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I believe in a creator/creators. This does not answer a lot. How can someone be content with an answer that hasn't brought peace? Thanks for adding.
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  goodfriendiamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well for starters it wasn't what they sought after, peace that is. So what ever they are seeking after, money, peace, fame, conformation, yada yada yada. Let them be happy to the fullest in it. For in the end of their life, they will know whether what they choice was the right one, for them.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thats the problem. Why does it have to take till the end of life for some?
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  goodfriendiamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know, but I know that that question made me hurt inside. For it is sad, for I wish all would want peace and could find peace.
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  Kobyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i have a quote from a famous author for that one (the book was about WWII not religious at all)
  
  "There is no stage one knows better than the one he has just left" --John Knowles
  
  You can look back at your life with a 3rd party perspective, because when you die, it isn't your life anymore.
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  Kobyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The proof of me and you confirms that there is creation, it doesn't mean that there was a creator. In other words, we don't have to personify the creation.
  
  I agree with you that if there is a creator with a personality, he won't care what i choose to believe concerning creation.
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  goodfriendiamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Absolute! good for you.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Excellent Post.
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
while u think of something i'll go and have something 2 eat . b here in half .Bye
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol that was it. Does reason and purpose exist?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  the reason you're here is because your mother and father got together. The purpose is to have the time of you life
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, is the purpose to have the time of my life or learn and teach for my role in evolution? How do you know my purpose isn't to make others have the time of their life while I am not? How do you know the purpose isn't more about sacrifice than individualism?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  to make others have the time of their life while you don't ,is very silly. anyway if you think sacrifice is the thing for you, then you're enjoying it and having the time of your life
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sacrificing yourself for another is not always enjoyable.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  then you shouldn't. And i'm leaving now bye
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What if it is sacrificing your happiness for your childs happiness?
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marinealways24posted 15 years ago
I would like to make a comment on evolution of the human. Like animals in our lives and society, most of us look for groups to join, much like animals in a pack. Why? Power is in numbers. There is fear of individualizing from the pack. What happens in the animal pack in the wild? The stray is often killed for seperating from the pack. Maybe on the evolution scale, this is why there have been so few individuals in a follower society.
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
then you enjoy your sacrifice. Every time I had to do a sacrifice I did it for love and enjoyed it
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Excellent point. Can't question that one.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you have to enjoy your life, if not is a waste of time
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I feel that if you enjoy something it does not feel like sacrifice. If you asked me to open a nappy (I have seen some bad ones!) and then have to clean the baby up while the smell is revolting, that feels like sacrifice in one sense, but I am doing something to make a beautiful child comfortable again, and that feels closer to love. Love+sacrifice = what?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Happiness?
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It sure feels like happiness!
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Kobyposted 15 years ago
If you really enjoy it then is it really a sacrifice?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's a sacrifice with joy. If you don't understand that, you're doomed, man !
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  Kobyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't agree, but if i try to find a logical explanation as to why, my mind goes in circles
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  take care not to get too dizzy
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I see where you are coming from. What happens in an instance where 2 people are in a war. 1 jumps on a grenade to save his friends life. Did he get to enjoy the sacrifice of saving his friends life if he is dead?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well I wouldn't do it. That's a personal choice. I only do sacrifices for few people , and that out of love. In an extreme case as that, I'm out of it. I'm a very selfish person, and that's me
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe if not during the sacrifice, maybe the reward of happiness is the end result of sacrifice.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  of course
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Kobyposted 15 years ago
that's depressing. He'll never know if he succeeded or not. According to my belief system, i guess.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, but you could consider him succeeding if the friend he saved had a wife and children at home. They would certainly be changed from the sacrifice along with the saved friend.
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  Kobyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  oh, he definitely succeeded, i just meant that he won't know whether or not his friends were saved because of his actions.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe or maybe not. I don't think anyone can answer this for certain until they die. It is still fun to guess.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Maybe we can take a guess? Dead is not a good place to operate from in my view.Once the brain stops functioning, there goes consciousness, so memory is gone as is anything that is stored electro/chemically but more dramatic, no access to the subconscious, so there goes soul, spirit, thought and religiosity.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, what about those who have had "out of body" experiences while under anaesthesia during surgery who viewed the surgery while supposedly asleep with their eyes covered. One specific instance, the man was put to death for a few minutes for the operation. How is this?
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Ande Mooreposted 15 years ago
Wow, what a forum. I rarely go in here but this looks fun. To me we are in a combined universe, all is one kinda thing. As far as a god, yeah to me no. If there is a being/creature it has enough problems trying to control a universe/dimension to deal with egomaniac ants. As far as religions go, in my opinion they are all wrong and just trying to control people and gain power.

A soldier jumping on a grenade to save his fellow Corps men or soldiers, is doing this out of duty, honor and love. Those who have never served, and I don't mean in the rear or admin., know about the love between all service men. Those are your brothers, to me closer than my own siblings ever were or ever will be. Just my opinions, thanks and have fun.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Excellent thoughts.
  
  @ egomaniac ants. outstanding. Very true on the military comment. More family based than individual based. I also agree on your religion comment. Thanks for adding.
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Kobyposted 15 years ago
Ending note: Truthfully, i don't know what i believe. Goodnight everybody!
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Take care.
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