In "Hot potato" topic..... Moslems and Christians having literal definitions of "God"..... My question..... Why God gotta be what we want Him to be..... IMO The higher power called "God" gotta exist both inside and outside...... "outside".... the wonderful sunrise... the rainbow.... and "inside"... "mother's" love (even when I'm angry with her she still loves me)...... a kind caring heart of a human (serving the poor and needy) ...... that wonderful feeling .... outside/inside.... gotta be "God"= love.
All definitions welcome.
THE MOST CONCISE DEFINITION OF GOD:
The best definition of God can only be given by God Himself which is
Qur'an, Chapter 112 - The Unity, Sincerity, Oneness Of Allah
1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
4. And there is none like unto Him.
Further if you read The Glorious Qur’an says:
Qur'an, Ch 2 - The Cow: V 255: "Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory)."
ATTRIBUTES OF GOD:
The Qur’an gives no less than ninety-nine different attributes to Almighty Allah. The Qur’an refers to Allah as Ar-Rahman (Most Gracious), Ar-Raheem (Most Merciful) and Al-Hakeem (All Wise) among many other names. You can call Allah by any name but that name should be beautiful and should not conjure up a mental picture. The Glorious Qur’an says:
Qur’an, Ch 17 - Isra', The Night Journey, Children Of Israel: V 110:
"Say: Call upon Allah, or
Call upon Rahman:
By whatever name you call
Upon Him, (it is well):
For to Him belong
The Most Beautiful Names."
UNITY OF GOD:
Some polytheists argue by saying that the existence of more than one God is not illogical. Let us point out to them that if there were more than one God, they would dispute with one another, each god trying to fulfill his will against the will of the other gods. This can be seen in the mythology of the polytheistic and pantheistic religions. If a ‘God’ is defeated or unable to defeat the others, he is surely not the one true God. Also popular among polytheistic religions is the idea of many Gods, each having different responsibilities. Each one would be responsible for a part of man’s existence e.g. a Sun-God, a Rain-God, etc. This indicates that one ‘God’ is incompetent of certain acts and moreover he is also ignorant of the other Gods’ powers, duties, functions and responsibilities. There cannot be an ignorant and incapable God. If there were more than one God it would surely lead to confusion, disorder, chaos and destruction in the universe. But the universe is in complete harmony. The Glorious Qur’an says:
Qur’an, Ch 21 - The Prophets : V 22:
"If there were, in the heavens
And the earth, other gods
Besides Allah, there would
Have been confusion in both!
But glory to Allah,
The Lord of the Throne:
(High is He) above
What they attribute to Him!"
If there were more than one God, they would have taken away what they created. The Glorious Qur’an says:
Qur’an, Ch 23 - The Believers : V 91:
"No son did Allah beget,
Nor is there any god
Along with Him: (if there were
Many gods), behold, each god
Would have taken away
What he had created,
And some would have
Lorded it over others!
Glory to Allah! (He is free)
From the (sort of) things
They attribute to Him!"
Thus the existence of One True, Unique, Supreme, Almighty God, is the only logical concept of God.
Who is god?
He, she and it is god. God is, has, was, will.
Where is god?
Everywhere is god, nowhere is god.
What sort of a thing is god?
Everything is god.
God is love, god is the light.
When does god come?
When the madness stops, when death becomes.
How do I see god?
With your eyes closed and with your eyes open.
What have I to do with god?
You are his creation, you are a part of him.
When do I see, meet god?
Whenever you really decide to,
When you want nothing.
I searched the internet for definition of God and found this - "
from a country song...if you wanna hear god laugh, tell him your plans...
Well here are some ways for sure, it does not sound good.
1 Why are the nations so angry?
Why do they waste their time with futile plans?
2 The kings of the earth prepare for battle;
the rulers plot together
against the Lord
and against his anointed one.
3 “Let us break their chains,” they cry,
“and free ourselves from slavery to God.”
4 But the one who rules in heaven laughs.
The Lord scoffs at them.
5 Then in anger he rebukes them,
terrifying them with his fierce fury.
12 The wicked plot against the godly;
they snarl at them in defiance.
13 But the Lord just laughs,
for he sees their day of judgment coming.
7 Listen to the filth that comes from their mouths;
their words cut like swords.
“After all, who can hear us?” they sneer.
8 But Lord, you laugh at them.
You scoff at all the hostile nations.
24 “I called you so often, but you wouldn’t come.
I reached out to you, but you paid no attention.
25 You ignored my advice
and rejected the correction I offered.
26 So I will laugh when you are in trouble!
I will mock you when disaster overtakes you—
27 when calamity overtakes you like a storm,
when disaster engulfs you like a cyclone,
and anguish and distress overwhelm you.
28 “When they cry for help, I will not answer.
Though they anxiously search for me, they will not find me.
29 For they hated knowledge
and chose not to fear the Lord.
There ya go
I'm "Ignorant American"... gotta elaborate sis.
No can do lil'brother. It is what it is.
Sis You mean "It" is our soul.... where "God" resides.
Jon, would be further inward than soul as soul is still definable. When you get to the IT that is not definable you know you know very little. Socrates eluded to "the more we know, the more we don't know" Paradoxes.
You lost me.... you mean "God" is undefinable.... and is God a person or the power that manifests all around(inside/outside) or both in your opinion .... I'm confused.
To be honest, I find using a word (God) to describe a state of being a bit silly. It's such an external principle and not necessary. Hmmmmm.
I think you are on to it Jon, and at a young age. Look within yourself, study yourself, you will find more of the love and the self knowing you seek. Sorry I think it usually takes a long time. edit That sounds condescending, my apologies. I mean to say it is taking me a long time
Don't do the arms and legs thing for God unless it's your own arms and legs you're talking about. Sorry, that sounds like advice, not intended.
what is it?
what is it?
you want it all but you can't have it....
God is in everything from the newborn babies cry, to the thunder crashing down on a stormy night.
He is security and a safe place to be still
He is a father to the fatherless
And I will never be ashamed to stand up and call him friend
So - you cannot define god in an understandable way?
According to you he is also child sex abuse, burning in a plane crash and the nastiest person on the planet. (everything)
Absent father to a bastard.
Scared on a dark night.
And you are scared to call him enemy.
Meaningless platitudes that only cover the good not the bad......
Now see if you can describe your god in real terms.
bastard is word given by man ,much like you said athesism was given bu Christians...think God calls unbelievers Pagans or heathens from memory.
her definition awaken your ego. so the way she carrying god is false. will you agree eaglekiwi, actually we all forgot that god is carrying us not vice versa, why promoting him untill awaken evils from angels. all you religionist awakening evils from angels, why you have to awaken their ego, i will never against what marks reply to you, nothing wrong in his reply, because the way you promote god deserve this reply.
you are saying god is in newborn baby bla bla bla bla bla, but why you deny when its comes to negatives part. where is your sense???
bla bla bla bla right back at ya ...chukra?
First of all I am not a religionist, first time I ever heard that expression was here in Hubpages, so I take it its a 'now' word created by some man, on some lofty stage somewhere promoting the latest theory which is nothing new ,just updated from time to time....
You mean interacting with me in a real way is not enough?
I am real and here. That should be enough defining for you.
I'm curious. Are you saying that I am god? Invisible and all powerful. And defining myself is the same as defining an invisible creator that does not exist?
What a pathetic question. Surely you can do better than this one?
No Mark, I'm not saying any of that. I think, with all due respect, you have a bad case of reading between the lines. It was sort of a friendly, smart alec kind of question. Just wanted to see how you would respond.
BTW, if it's means anything to you, I find you intriguing on the whole. The Draino-drain-cleaner approach might be a bit of over kill at times, but on the whole, I think you're very thoughtful.
Have at me if you care. I bear no Draino, or other weapons. Just was intrigued by your response(s).
Well - most people define something under their own terms and frames of reference. I am here and real - to me. And I assume that is a definition that works for you. But that may not be the case.
How would you like me to define myself that makes sense to you?
You don't have to define yourself. I was being a smart alec, remember... I was just trying to provoke a response, and I got it. LOL
Just answer the bloody question
God knows you expect me too
All I do know is what I saw when I stopped breathing and God is real! I felt love and peace!
One of the best descriptions I have heard in long time. And I am not ashamed to stand up and say he is my God.
If I say I believe in God ,then I also believe theres a Devil too
The nature of sin is evil
all the nasties you mentioned
God is in everything ( he created Lucifer, then gave him a choice too ,the same one he gives to all mankind...his way or evils way
We see and hear the consequences everyday
Sin changed the world he originally created, hence wars ,famines, child abuse, etc etc
Yes God is still in everything ,did he tell us to sin ,no?
Heres a question for you Mark?
What stops you from being bad, committing nasty crimes etc?
So - god created everything, but not the sin? He did not create that?
Boy your religion is looking more irrational every time you say something.
So - are you saying that the only thing stopping you from being "bad"" is this invisible super being? You cannot make the decision for yourself?
You make a decision in everything you do, right or wrong, good or bad. God gave us the power of free will. We have the choice of choosing him or not. But have you ever stopped to think about where your conscious comes from?
Yes - it depends on the morals of the day. Not so long ago, I could have burned you at the stake and claimed god told me to do it because you were a witch.
Probably wouldn't get away with that or having 70 12-year-old "wives" today. Might be OK if there was an oil field involved.?
What do you think? A magical super being put them into my head?
Nice avatar by the way - where did you steal that photo?
Something entered your head ,a long long time ago I suspect.
I will leave you with a lil proverb:
Believe in Something or you will fall for anything
Im off again, peel the veges and crack the whip
I do not consider my God as a "magical super being". And I know that I cannot explain to you what he is to me. But do you not believe that there is a supreme being who created everthing, maybe you don't want to call him God, but what do you believe.
Glad you like my avatar. I didn't steal it, I downloaded it and if it ends up being copywrited or something, then I'll change it back to a picture of one of my dogs. no big deal.
Am curious how your conscious works? in theory that is
Why is lying bad for example? or is it
Maybe it looks irrational because you have already determined it is, dunno
Its about choices every single day whether I be good or bad ,make good decisions ,make dumb ones ,kick the dog ,dont kick the dog.
If I truly lived for myself though , I wouldnt give a sh..t about what anyone else thought.
Knock over a bank tomorrow ,steal a lil old ladies car , beat the crap outta my kids..lie ,cheat , and maybe even hold down a top earning job in the most prestigous profession...while rippin of the system and hurting my family
So no God did not create sin but he made sure there would be a consquence for it ,so that it never enters heaven again.
Thats a good thing isnt it?
Still not answering the question huh?
Do you believe every word of the bible?
LOL - God created everything - but not sin.
So - you believe I am a fool - because that is what it says in the bible. Which contradicts your personal impression of me.
And offends me. Too bad...........
I will still help you when you ask though. Which makes me a fool I guess...........
It cant offend you , you dont care remember
Ok hows this scenerio
My father told gave me the teenage daughter pep talk many years ago...he said if this n that , I would be the fool ,as I beleived rah rah and rah...
I said in my heart , my father doesnt know what the hell he's talking about ,, he probably has never been in real love before...( the words of an ignorant youth -right)..
I came home pregnant...the fool had said in her heart , my father doesnt know what hes talking about-consquence-left holding the baby...
Forgiveness , for everyone, tomorrow lol, later
Oh - I am always offended when some on calls me a fool. Do I care what they think of me? Absolutely not.
Your opinion has been proven worthless so why should I care what you think of me? But yes - I will be offended when you insult me.
Not sure what all the rambling crap about how your invisible super being is really your father has anything to do with anything.
My father allowed me to be sexually abused when I was 10. Is that the same thing?
well the way your father treated you is wrong,,,,,,,, but don't take it out on us
I am not taking it out on you. I am merely pointing out the irrationality of your ridiculous beliefs that only include the good.
But thanks for telling me what to do. I really like that. It is for my own good after all. Right?
Sorry your beliefs have been proven wrong. Too bad.....
Sin is created by man.
Sin is missing the mark of perfection.
That is the definition taken from the Romans anyhow, when they shot an arrow and it missed.
Man misses the mark of perfection and that creates a sin.
Yes, men can create too.
and yes i know i spelled conscience wrong the first time
God can be many things to many people
some people choose money as their god
anything we worship turns into a god
However the god of the bible has no beginning and no end, and is whether we like it or not higher power than us...... and i believe can and will take control over the earth and make it a peaceful place in his time,,,, hope i live to see it
Ok teas gonna be late
Heres the thing
If a persons needs and wants God in their life ,they are often labelled or called weak, mocked ,questioned like they are on trial?...
The Bible is picked to pieces over n over again.
But Jesus asked thousands of years ago "who do YOU say I am"
and hes still asking it.
I say Answer the question and leave it at that.
I dont have to put you down ,in order to make myself look better , I just dont get why anyone does that.
Jealousy , insecurity ,dunno beats me.
i really try to like you Mark but you do yourself no favours lol
Mark is very lovable and has always been in his truth. It's an admirable trait to never waiver from ones integrity, especially when being attacked from the many righteous ones.
Wow I see it the other way round ,guess it all depends on ones perspective huh...
he attacked me i did not attack him..... he chooses himself what his beliefs are, but he attacks individuals at that is nasty
and a fascist, homosexual freemason no doubt! go away sock puppet!
He's never acted in any way other than a gentleman toward me, so I've no cause to spew the venom.
I find Mark to be forthright, honest and decent in all that he does online, and hold him in high regard.
May be he wants to sleep with you, i know how deceptively these kind of oldies take hold of innocents like you just to fulfill their illegitimate sexual desires. May God keep you away from Mark's evil thoughts.
You're out of your mind ..... Mark is a married man.... IMO he isn't looking for dates online.... and Jewels isn't a baby.... she can handle herself.... go get a life dude.
Read the holy thread... I mean whole thread... no one defined god yet accept me... I mean, except for me but obviously it wasn't worth fighting over.
God is undefinable and probably Sandra has come the closest - It is what it is. Is-ness is a term that describes the state of being with no sense of individuality. Yoga = Union, unity is the state of oneness - ie a sense of being with no sense of individuality.
When a person puts descriptive words to what God is, it puts limitations on something that is limitless. When words are used to describe God, that God is then made personal as the standpoint from which you make those statements is limited by a personal perception.
A Transpersonal perception is more in line with the Whole and not the individual.
God IS everything - the good, bad and ugly, the magnificent and the fallen, the united and separate. To say God is not part of the fallen experiences is a mistake and has left the speaker in a state of only being half of what is within them - that is not whole.
God is a powerful entity higher than mankind
He communicated with Adam, Abraham and others.
They asked his name and he said "I AM".
I AM gave Moses the ten commandments. At the very least these commandments can be said to be really good advice for mankind to stay out of trouble while enjoying life to the fullest.
Many did not follow these commandments.
I AM devised another plan to fix our problem.
I AM sacrificed a part of himself God created the bugs and the birds.Birds ate the bugs, the eagle and rabbits and squirrels. The eagle ate the rabbits, The Rabbit thought the eagle was evil.
I AM created good and evil AM created Live and death
I AM gave us free will with that part in between.
I AM created numerious doors to exit through when we die.
We may not like what we find behind some of the doors.
I do not think that this deffination should offend anyone except for my leaving off the window dressing. Diffrent religions dress him diffrently. No matter what dressing we put on him he will still be who HE is...He is the ...I AM..
I left off the window dressing part
God? God is a man made myth. Man has always made gods because of his fear of death and dying.
No proof exists for any god, but proof of "religiosity" abounds!
Proof of evolution is available in hundreds of thousands of scientific papers that show masses of proof, even if you remove Darwin completely you have no where to go.
Opposing scientific views are always loaded like religion and written by religionists.
I could never worship an entity who was more neurotic than anyone who is outside an asylum for the criminally insane.
are you objecting/subjecting god as even many religionist doing??? can you object/subject emptyness. the wise found 0. 1-9 is nothing.
Yes, well said chukra.
My statement is in relation to the god which is proposed by religionists, not by me, there is no proof of god, and I do not believe in any god. Your math is right!
It is a message that is not available to them. They are forced to look only from within their current belief. I know this is so, as I was once the same. Then I learnt more!
I found this passage in one of Wayne Dyer's books referring to our search for God "Next time you meet Him in the forest or on a crowded street, there won't be anymore 'leaving'. That is, God will climb into your pocket and you will simply just take yourself along"
Perhaps the question should be "define what isn't God"
Therefore everyone except those who believe what the "courageous" sock puppet believes is doomed! Get a life!
WHY is god a he??? God is me! My choice, my SELF. I take account for my faults as I am I also take pride in my Good!! I am God, You are god...god is a imaginary being used to put off our own flaws or to even be able to have pride in our Goodness. Be Proud to be YOU!!GOD!!!
God is the stability and protection in our lives. His Son is the Love in our lives and hearts. His Holy Spirit is the Knowledge that keeps us on the straight and narrow Road.
And... I loved the comment about making God laugh. Because... He makes me laugh all the time. He has the Perfect Personality! And He Knows each and every one of us, inside and out! God IS a He, to me! He is my father only more Perfect. He is the man I Love, even more Kind and Generous. He is my brother, but even more Intelligent. He is my son, with even more Devotion and Loyalty. I would have Him no other way than to be a HE.
And... He is not me!
"God is everything or he is nothing at all"
The only name "God" Gave himself in the old test. of the Christion Scripture is "I AM" All others were given to him by others.
Yes Mark He is creator of all, However he also created Free-will in mankind.
He gave the directions of how to live best within his creation, Mankind as a whole has used free will to make it's own choices, to walk further and further away from the directions (His will, plan or what ever).
Kind of like if you went to a friends house and had the best tasting cake (Although I myself would never try this, not a great cook..just ask my family) and asked for the recipe.
When you got home you took out the recipe but when reading it you think, I really don't need three eggs I think I'll use one, or add one tbl vanilla, I think it would be better with five
you get the Idea...When you take it out of the oven it is horrible!
You can't blame the creator of the recipe for that! You didn't follow the directions.
God is a concept invented by man to allay his fear of the unknown.
My friend says love is all love and not an invention of any man.
Love is another matter, and one I am happy to say is close to my heart. I even wrote a hub about it!
My friend says that if you move in love, you cannot fail.
To move in love means to overcome all things by love, not being moved away from your posision of love.
My friend says:
Love has a voice, it speaks in stillness and in silence, a silence that is piercing.
Love spoken is kind and gentle, love can also speak without words.
Love can speak with the eyes through people.
Love is louder than any word.
God is everything that can be defined and understood and everything which cannot be.
"He bent down and made the world in seven days And ever since he¹s been a¹walking away" - josh ritter, thin blue flame
and having quite a chuckle.
Ok now to Marks question
I can define God somewhat again.
God is In Everything ,does that make Him accountable or responsible for everything -short answer NO
We have been created with a free will.
That much we are responsible for.
Those choices have consequences ,good and evil all still are a result of the free will!
I give my son a house and say youre free to do with it what you want...
He does well ,consquence-house increases value
He doesnt do well - ya get my point=choices
I gave him free will.
If I see him destroy or make bad decisions, do I step in and say ,I will fix this AND allow him to keep screwing things up.
I see many people blame God for all things bad, when often it direct result of someone elses actions/decisions
Sin has caused all kinds of corruption
Think of it as a seed , not only does one plant be contiminated ,but all seeds from the plant of plants and on an on it goes....
As result the contimates of Sin is evil and its seed (actions) go on and on and on...
Kiwi - this is meaningless twaddle. Clearly you are unable to define god. The idea that "sin" is the cause of disease. Deary me. No wonder you are so confused and need to attack scientific facts.
And please format your posts so they are readable - as a matter of common courtesy to others.
But - I will humor part of it. Let is say you know for certain that giving your son a house will end in his violent death because you know the house will be broken into by nasty men who will rape and murder him.
Not much of a loving parent are you?
Humour me? I dont find your style of debate humorous at all.
No Ive spent enough time answering you ,only to have you be condescending and ill mannered.
You do not get what free will is about is all.Pointless giving you examples or definations.
The sky is blue
"No" Mark answers , the sky is grey somewhere else ,therefore you are ignoring my question ,how convenient. Oh deary me.
Yes Mark I am according to you a bad parent,unintelligent, ridiculous,deluded, blind, hateful, many other negative things.
But I came to post on the forum ,not get an analyses report of my worth as a human being.
Golly gosh how offended you become. Attack me once again why don't you? You never even offered a proper apology the last time. How very christian of you.
I never called you any such thing.
You were the one using the analogy of god as parent. Then when I present a hypothetical situation you go ballistic.
My friend says:
Love is light.
Love will always remain.
To refuse love is to be in outer darkness.
One without love is tormented within wherever one is.
Surrendering to love is to become needless and full of light.
Love needs no defense and nothing can defend against love.
The true scriptures give over 350 and says He is still beyond that in description!!!
1- A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe
2. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.
3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol.
4. One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god.
5. A very handsome man.
6. A powerful ruler or despot.
you choose! Be my guest !
You can't say god is all knowing and all powerful and yet blame all the bad things on the devil.
If god only does good but is unable to stop the evil caused by the devil then gods power is obviously limited. This undermines the whole basis of god.
Yes of course.! I'm not saying anything. I'm stating definitions I found in a dictionary for the pleasure of all 'religionists' !
Interesting, 105 posts later and the definition is not complete.
Speaks for itself.
Oh, and uh, I have no definition for God. I don't even have one for me or anyone else. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me to try to do any of that.
so why are you in this thread then ? Nothing else to do ?
Entertainment, harrassment. Same reasons as you and Mark, I would assume....
assuming wrong ! For entertainment go to ´'hang out' You will be 'entertained' there, I'm sure !
Well, meet daniel Carter , maybe both of you can get some Entertainment in the Hang Out ! . This is not a place for nice ladies like you
just following you around tantrum... i am not a bit nice honestly
Now we're bragging about how bad we are?
Sounds like school girl days to me....
However, thanks for the laughs, guys.
BTW, to define something, it becomes finite. Therefore, no definition of God is really possible, in my reasoning. (Which I can admit can be faulty at times.)
If God exists, God Is.
If God doesn't exist then all this emotional ballet going on here is a complete waste, I would think.
Tantrum you are everywhere and know where baby remember that song
My friend says:
Perhaps defining this being is akin to defining a man, woman or child.
God is a fabrication of the human psyche developed to explain the unexplainable mysteries of the universe and keep the masses in check through fear and subservience with an instrument commonly known as religion.
god is not a men or a women ,have you thought more about any beyond humen?
God is: your best friend, when you are under a flu.. family and friends help you to feel better. He will always be there for you, mentally, just have faith. By going to church you feel an outstanding since of love and compassion for one and another. Learning from the bible,. A famous quote.. random act of kindness.. comes to mind.
Hugs to all.. ;-)
I can indeed confirm that I am not looking for dates online.
Perhaps video lost is lost, in the wrong site perhaps? Mixing sentences, a tad confused?
What you felt was the result of a brain function that many get at this point. We do not all ascribe it to god! There are sound medical reasons for this experience
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